Re: [za-pm] Padre IDE
Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi Anne Komodo happens to run on Windows, Linux and Mac OS X. I don't know about Mono, but I'm pretty sure you can compile on Linux with that also? I just understand the frustration of trying to debug source code with the PERL debugger. Winston... -Original Message- From: za-pm-bounces+winstonh=mweb.co...@pm.org [mailto:za-pm-bounces+winstonh=mweb.co...@pm.org] On Behalf Of Anne Wainwright Sent: 25 January 2011 04:24 AM To: za-pm@pm.org Subject: Re: [za-pm] Padre IDE Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hello, http://lug.fh-swf.de/vim/vim-perl/screenshots-en.html a perl IDE plugin! It will be a while before I get here, still coping with lesser issues. Winston, I'm in linux so windows things look good but no help. Anne On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 04:10:02 +0200 Winston Haybittle winst...@mweb.co.za wrote: Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi Anne They are selling an IDE for PERL,Python,TCL and bundling the source with the IDE. One of my biggest issues with PERL is the lack of a decent standard Dev environment. These guys fill that niche. Doesn't look cheap but for all the extra features and dev tools, the price can be justified? Isn't there a free version also? M$ seems to have taken the lead by unbundling the language from the compiler. Visual Studio can plug in all sorts of languages like COBOL and PERL. I think the plugin is called Visual Perl? VS is a highly advanced debugging tool, which is very difficult to match? It's a pity that RAD isn't more of a feature? Winston... -Original Message- From: za-pm-bounces+winstonh=mweb.co...@pm.org [mailto:za-pm-bounces+winstonh=mweb.co...@pm.org] On Behalf Of Anne Wainwright Sent: 25 January 2011 12:26 AM To: za-pm@pm.org Subject: Re: [za-pm] Padre IDE Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hello, Winston, These guys are _selling_ Perl, Python, Tcl! ??? Anne On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 00:09:23 +0200 Winston Haybittle winst...@mweb.co.za wrote: Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi Everyone What about using Activestate ActivePerl as an IDE for PERL? I haven't used it for some time, but I thought it worked well with some nice features? Check it out: http://www.activestate.com/activeperl Let me know what you think? Enjoy and bye for now Winston... -Original Message- From: za-pm-bounces+winstonh=mweb.co...@pm.org [mailto:za-pm-bounces+winstonh=mweb.co...@pm.org] On Behalf Of Anne Wainwright Sent: 24 January 2011 11:20 PM To: za-pm@pm.org Subject: Re: [za-pm] Padre IDE Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hello, Anne, Hello, Spike, Edoardo, Walter, Thanks for your input. I am using vim, gvim even! gedit is almost done with as I pick up confidence. I have the vimbook. I installed perltidy utility (couldn't get it installed from cpan? so downloaded the file and did the make stuff). Now playing with it. I find that it doesn't pick up errors as claimed. I added an unmatched '}' in the test file and no error noted, no .ERR file written, just reformatted the code with the error included. ??? Still, looks good. I'll study it along with the perl debugger a bit more. Anne On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:32:16 +0200 Anne Wainwright anothera...@fables.co.za wrote: Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi, I was looking at Perl IDEs. Not much around, but I found Padre on cpan. No 'star rating', no reviews, what gives? Do we all use vim and the perl debugger? Anne ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/ ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/ ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/ ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/ ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/ ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org
Re: [za-pm] Padre IDE
Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi, Winston, I'm going the traditional route at the moment so as to gain experience, then I found an IDE addon on the Vim site which must be looked at. I'll master the traditional approach to more complex things before I move on, I think that will pay dividends in the long run. I will check your suggestions out. :gui get you from vim to gvim! I have to say I am on the vim path. I have got it to change background colour when in INSERT mode and back again when out of it. Thanks for all the tips. bestest Anne On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:38:33 +0200 Winston Haybittle winst...@mweb.co.za wrote: Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi Anne Komodo happens to run on Windows, Linux and Mac OS X. I don't know about Mono, but I'm pretty sure you can compile on Linux with that also? I just understand the frustration of trying to debug source code with the PERL debugger. Winston... -Original Message- From: za-pm-bounces+winstonh=mweb.co...@pm.org [mailto:za-pm-bounces+winstonh=mweb.co...@pm.org] On Behalf Of Anne Wainwright Sent: 25 January 2011 04:24 AM To: za-pm@pm.org Subject: Re: [za-pm] Padre IDE Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hello, http://lug.fh-swf.de/vim/vim-perl/screenshots-en.html a perl IDE plugin! It will be a while before I get here, still coping with lesser issues. Winston, I'm in linux so windows things look good but no help. Anne On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 04:10:02 +0200 Winston Haybittle winst...@mweb.co.za wrote: Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi Anne They are selling an IDE for PERL,Python,TCL and bundling the source with the IDE. One of my biggest issues with PERL is the lack of a decent standard Dev environment. These guys fill that niche. Doesn't look cheap but for all the extra features and dev tools, the price can be justified? Isn't there a free version also? M$ seems to have taken the lead by unbundling the language from the compiler. Visual Studio can plug in all sorts of languages like COBOL and PERL. I think the plugin is called Visual Perl? VS is a highly advanced debugging tool, which is very difficult to match? It's a pity that RAD isn't more of a feature? Winston... -Original Message- From: za-pm-bounces+winstonh=mweb.co...@pm.org [mailto:za-pm-bounces+winstonh=mweb.co...@pm.org] On Behalf Of Anne Wainwright Sent: 25 January 2011 12:26 AM To: za-pm@pm.org Subject: Re: [za-pm] Padre IDE Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hello, Winston, These guys are _selling_ Perl, Python, Tcl! ??? Anne On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 00:09:23 +0200 Winston Haybittle winst...@mweb.co.za wrote: Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi Everyone What about using Activestate ActivePerl as an IDE for PERL? I haven't used it for some time, but I thought it worked well with some nice features? Check it out: http://www.activestate.com/activeperl Let me know what you think? Enjoy and bye for now Winston... -Original Message- From: za-pm-bounces+winstonh=mweb.co...@pm.org [mailto:za-pm-bounces+winstonh=mweb.co...@pm.org] On Behalf Of Anne Wainwright Sent: 24 January 2011 11:20 PM To: za-pm@pm.org Subject: Re: [za-pm] Padre IDE Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hello, Anne, Hello, Spike, Edoardo, Walter, Thanks for your input. I am using vim, gvim even! gedit is almost done with as I pick up confidence. I have the vimbook. I installed perltidy utility (couldn't get it installed from cpan? so downloaded the file and did the make stuff). Now playing with it. I find that it doesn't pick up errors as claimed. I added an unmatched '}' in the test file and no error noted, no .ERR file written, just reformatted the code with the error included. ??? Still, looks good. I'll study it along with the perl debugger a bit more. Anne On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:32:16 +0200 Anne Wainwright anothera...@fables.co.za wrote: Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi, I was looking at Perl IDEs. Not much around, but I found Padre on cpan. No 'star rating', no reviews, what gives? Do we all use vim and the perl debugger? Anne ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/ ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/ ___ Za
[za-pm] Padre IDE
Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi, I was looking at Perl IDEs. Not much around, but I found Padre on cpan. No 'star rating', no reviews, what gives? Do we all use vim and the perl debugger? Anne ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/
Re: [za-pm] Padre IDE
Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. I have tried one or two IDE's but they all mean using a non vi interface and find the other features of vi are just too good to loose. So use vim and perltidy. Usual run perl -cw script before runing perltidy to avoid a horrible mess. Vi is very powerful; if you get three vi power-users together each one will be able to name 10 features the other two had never heard of! And often just simple stuff like Cmd - n for word completion or if you highlight a block in visual mode you can automatically get all the indents correct for your nested blocks by hitting the = key or vi +789 filename to open the file on line 789 I have aliases set up for:- alias pc='perl -cw' alias plt='perltidy -b' (-b means it works on your love copy and makes a backup) On 2011-01-24 01:32 PM, Anne Wainwright wrote: Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi, I was looking at Perl IDEs. Not much around, but I found Padre on cpan. No 'star rating', no reviews, what gives? Do we all use vim and the perl debugger? Anne ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/ ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/
Re: [za-pm] Padre IDE
Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi I know it's un-geeky and heavy, but I use Eclipse with the EPIC plugin for Perl. I also use Eclipse for Java, Ruby, Python, DocBook and much more. Years ago I stumbled upon a Russian dude (Murad Kakabayev)'s Perl editor for Windows, written in Delphi. I used it for a long while and loved the one-click syntax check among other features. It has since become abandonware, but he gave me permission to make the last version available on my site. (http://www.ou-ryperd.net/wiki/index.php?title=Coding#Perl). I also have the source code available for anyone interested. krgds Walter Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:32:16 +0200 From: anothera...@fables.co.za To: za-pm@pm.org Subject: [za-pm] Padre IDE Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi, I was looking at Perl IDEs. Not much around, but I found Padre on cpan. No 'star rating', no reviews, what gives? Do we all use vim and the perl debugger? Anne ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/ ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/
Re: [za-pm] Padre IDE
Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hello, Anne, Hello, Spike, Edoardo, Walter, Thanks for your input. I am using vim, gvim even! gedit is almost done with as I pick up confidence. I have the vimbook. I installed perltidy utility (couldn't get it installed from cpan? so downloaded the file and did the make stuff). Now playing with it. I find that it doesn't pick up errors as claimed. I added an unmatched '}' in the test file and no error noted, no .ERR file written, just reformatted the code with the error included. ??? Still, looks good. I'll study it along with the perl debugger a bit more. Anne On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:32:16 +0200 Anne Wainwright anothera...@fables.co.za wrote: Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi, I was looking at Perl IDEs. Not much around, but I found Padre on cpan. No 'star rating', no reviews, what gives? Do we all use vim and the perl debugger? Anne ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/ ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/
Re: [za-pm] Padre IDE
Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi Anne They are selling an IDE for PERL,Python,TCL and bundling the source with the IDE. One of my biggest issues with PERL is the lack of a decent standard Dev environment. These guys fill that niche. Doesn't look cheap but for all the extra features and dev tools, the price can be justified? Isn't there a free version also? M$ seems to have taken the lead by unbundling the language from the compiler. Visual Studio can plug in all sorts of languages like COBOL and PERL. I think the plugin is called Visual Perl? VS is a highly advanced debugging tool, which is very difficult to match? It's a pity that RAD isn't more of a feature? Winston... -Original Message- From: za-pm-bounces+winstonh=mweb.co...@pm.org [mailto:za-pm-bounces+winstonh=mweb.co...@pm.org] On Behalf Of Anne Wainwright Sent: 25 January 2011 12:26 AM To: za-pm@pm.org Subject: Re: [za-pm] Padre IDE Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hello, Winston, These guys are _selling_ Perl, Python, Tcl! ??? Anne On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 00:09:23 +0200 Winston Haybittle winst...@mweb.co.za wrote: Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi Everyone What about using Activestate ActivePerl as an IDE for PERL? I haven't used it for some time, but I thought it worked well with some nice features? Check it out: http://www.activestate.com/activeperl Let me know what you think? Enjoy and bye for now Winston... -Original Message- From: za-pm-bounces+winstonh=mweb.co...@pm.org [mailto:za-pm-bounces+winstonh=mweb.co...@pm.org] On Behalf Of Anne Wainwright Sent: 24 January 2011 11:20 PM To: za-pm@pm.org Subject: Re: [za-pm] Padre IDE Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hello, Anne, Hello, Spike, Edoardo, Walter, Thanks for your input. I am using vim, gvim even! gedit is almost done with as I pick up confidence. I have the vimbook. I installed perltidy utility (couldn't get it installed from cpan? so downloaded the file and did the make stuff). Now playing with it. I find that it doesn't pick up errors as claimed. I added an unmatched '}' in the test file and no error noted, no .ERR file written, just reformatted the code with the error included. ??? Still, looks good. I'll study it along with the perl debugger a bit more. Anne On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:32:16 +0200 Anne Wainwright anothera...@fables.co.za wrote: Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Hi, I was looking at Perl IDEs. Not much around, but I found Padre on cpan. No 'star rating', no reviews, what gives? Do we all use vim and the perl debugger? Anne ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/ ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/ ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/ ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/ ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/
Re: [za-pm] Padre IDE
Note: Beware! Default reply-to is to the list. Yep - that's why I have a shorcut to perl -cw that I run first. When I get time I want to make a simple shell script that will run perl -c and then only run perltidy if that is successful. Vim is well worth persevering with - you will soon be putting little 'wq' typos i all your M$ docs :-) Best beginig vi tip I was given was to hit the Esc key more than once to be sure - it's quicker to hit it a few times than think about what mode you are in. I installed perltidy utility (couldn't get it installed from cpan? so downloaded the file and did the make stuff). Now playing with it. I find that it doesn't pick up errors as claimed. I added an unmatched '}' in the test file and no error noted, no .ERR file written, just reformatted the code with the error included. ??? ___ Za-pm mailing list Za-pm@pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/za-pm@pm.org/
