[zbmethod] Re: Group A delegation
The cases you have listed on that page...what # are they? ie - H1, H2, etc? ~ Bob --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm aware that I haven't listed all the cases yet but these are the only one on which I've worked on at the moment and they still need to be improved. I'll add all the images later tonight so that you can see what's left to do with this case (which H case is it ? H2 or something else ?) And for the permutation image (not the 3D cube), do you have some sort of program or do you do them yourself in paint or something ? Thanks, Gilles. 2005/12/13, Doug Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This site seems to be issing some cases: http://www.belgiancubes.be/zbll/index.html There are typically 12 edge cases if you count mirrors and inverses. Give timings for these, and write them in trigger notation. I typically avoid taking a lead role in things, but since it's beeen rather quite and people are itching to do work I'm going to give some suggestions. Since Jason is working on T5, he could work on improving those algs and give us timings. Since Chris started work on U2, that is his territory. I have yet to get a reply about my L1 algs, I would especially appriciate it if DanH would give those a look since he asked about them a while ago. (Although I'm sure he's busy lately since he hasn't even posted his L1 list yet, on his site.) I am going to post my H1 algs next. In general look though the T-Orientation cases and see if there's a rather long one that can be beter executed. If anyone has other no CP algs (that are possiblity better than what we already have), now is a good time to post them. I would especially like revised T1 and U1 algs, since those seem to be the slowest no CP cases..., for me at least. If any of you want to work on unexplored territory, claim it first by posting here so that we don't have people working on the identical thing. Collaborate, Divide and Conquer! -Doug --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you are the only one who has had the leading position, could you describe what it consists in ? Another possibility is giving some homework to everyone for 3 weeks :p If Doug can get us a big list of raw algorithms (so we need to provide him a txt file with the cases), I'm sure we could have something to do for that period. What do you think ? Concerning my case, I'll have mid-terms exams in January so my time will be a bit limited from now on for zb-research. But I can surely find at least one hour per day to work on zb. I hope your exams will go well :-) Gilles. NB : I learned the entire VH-F2L today :p (not so hard, I agree. mostly intuitive algorithms) 2005/12/13, cmhardw [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hey everyone, I wanted to ask basically what we wanted to do as a group about the lead position, or group A. I honestly am willing to devote the time to any of the activities in our delegation, but I would love to help direct. I will have the free time after I graduate (I really do cube in all of my free time, so it won't be a big change). However, there is an issue. On Dec. 19 I am leaving for California to visit my Grandparents and won't be back until Jan. 6. During this time I won't have any access to the internet whatsoever. In this formative period of team [zb] I don't think it would be good for me to delegate, simply since I will be absent for roughly three weeks very shortly. I will take my laptop with me and analyze cases and optimize algs while I am gone though. My question is this, what should we do about the lead position? I would love to really be a part of this group and help each of the groups and try to do all of the group activities we need, but the truth is that I will be absent for three weeks very soon. So we need a lead, or preferably more than one in case the other is absent. I am more than willing to dedicate my time to team [zb] and would love to do so, but I simply cannot do that until after Jan. 6 next year. Who else wants to take over in a lead position and make sure the group is directed in a good direction? This organization is so awesome, and I am so excited to see us coming together into a real research team. I hope everyone has a good holiday, and in my free time between finals up until I leave I will try to do as much as I can. I will only be able to analyze cases and generate raw algs while on vacation, but after I return I will have the free time and the ability to fully dedicate myself to our effort. Let me know what everyone thinks, Chris SPONSORED LINKS
[zbmethod] Advanced COLL recognition
Hey all, This is for anybody who can recognize using the sticker method for COLL. I have been considering switching the way I recognize COLL for the Sune/AntiSune cases. Currently, I put the oriented sticker at the back such that the LL color on the front face is on the opposite side of the oriented corner. I determine the case by looking at the other front sticker, the top sticker of the other front corner, and the top sticker of the third non-oriented corner. It is, however, possible to recognize using only the top face (as long as you know which orientation case you have) how the corners are oriented. However, this requires a bit more advanced thinking. Currently, I just think in terms of whether colors are opposite of each other, the same as each other, or neither. Using the new system of recognition, I would have to determine whether a sticker is opposite another color, left of another color, or right of another color. I suppose it is not all too difficult to decide this and it would help me learn my color scheme a little better, so I am quite inclined to try this new recognition system. This means, though, that I have to relearn all of my Sune/AntiSune recognition. Does anybody else recognize Sune cases by only looking at the top face? Any thoughts about this system? And please, if you recognize only by seeing which corners need to swap, then I tell you in advance that I have tried that system and used it for 3 years didn't like it. :P ~ Bob Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] New ZBF2L algorithms page!
You may or may not find this helpful, but I hope you do: I have posted all the ZBF2L algorithms I have learned onto this page: http://www.cubewhiz.com/zbf2l/ There may be some mistakes, so if you do find some, please let me know. The pages are not yet fully complete, but I have listed the algs for my cases #1-15 + the four basic cases. I wrote them all in the notation that demonstrates how I perform the algorithm. Let me know if you find this helpful. I also dislike B turns, so I tried to avoid them as much as possible. ;) ~ Bob Team [zb] --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Brent Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys/gals, that's interesting. I have been thinking of f2l a bit lately, pertaining to Fridrich f2l and ZBf2l. When I take Fridrich f2l averages just to see how my f2l is, I average around 8-9 seconds- but sometimes I'm time aware, meaning, aware of the time and going as fast as I can, as I watch piece by piece, which might even be faster than just solving cubes. So this can follow your idea here, Chris. Fridrich f2l, fast times for it (atleast for me) include going as fast as possible, and seeing each piece and looking ahead (and, also, when your hands are in the mood, which is a completely new idea that sprung to me the other day- i'll discuss further in the email). Ah, but when I try Zbf2l, I really don't understand _what's_ going on... I go fast, and the algs don't match up with my style (zbf2l algs require, me atleast, to rotate often, turn D and B more often than usual, and is just way wierd). Yeah, for me right now, ZBF2L is way slow, and chaotic... I'll take this super slow, maybe too slow idea when I practice more, see if it helps me. Another thing, that I found the other day. I think it was last Wednesday, I had a good day and was refreshed; I did all my school work and was comfortable with myself- I did an average, and I did a 14.52 NOT ROLLING average. My hands were warm I guess, and things seemed cheery or something- I really can't explain it. My average of 60 was still sub 15- then I had to go do something so I abandoned it. Then the next day, I did a 17.8 average or something- and my hands just couldn't move, so to speak. This spreads to the observation at the WC2005- I was racing a lot of people, since I like it :). Like when I was racing Chris/Dan Knights/Joel/Andy C/Ryan Patricio/Stefann/others, I pulled a few 12's and 13's that I wouldn't have usually done- then, my hands were in the mode and keeping constant motion during the F2L- which was making hte biggest difference. When I was racing Lars V, too, I was experiencing this- I was surprised by how fast my hands were moving! They were just in the mood and warm, I guess. I dunno, just something to ponder or observe- the mood of your body and mind when you make an average may make the difference. Anyway, I see the possible doubts for ZB in full. zbF2l is the biggest nightmare, I agree- I'm making like 16+ zb f2l times, which is crazy. But anyway, sorry for hte long email- there is information out there to help us with the F2L times, that goes beyond the algs. Human capabilities are much underestimated in the matter, i think. ZB full, when the time comes, will lead to Master times. but this is only my opinion, and not the actual answer. -Brent M cmhardw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, I've been doing lots of practicing switching between ZB and Fridrich today. My Fridrich averages have definitely gotten much faster as of late, and my ZB averages definitely much slower. I think I've found the reason too. Because of WC2005 I've been thinking in Fridrich mode, which for F2L for me means go as fast as absolutely possible while still being able to catch glimpses of pieces I'll need later. I've found that instead of slow-fast going not quite break neck fast for F2L gives me better averages. Well I noticed that this is influencing my ZBF2L. My ZB solves are always really really bad immediately after switching from a really good Fridrich average, and then get better. I also tried going what felt like too slow after doing a good Fridrich average and then my ZB times got back down to my usual good range for ZB. So anyway I think that ZBF2L, even when mastered, should definitely be done slower than Fridrich F2L. I think ZBF2L should be strictly defined as the 4 corners and 4 edges of the first layer, the 4 edges of the middle layer, and the opposite layer stickers of the last layer edges. I've noticed that by going slower and keeping an idea of how the LL edge orientations will end up, or even inserting pairs earlier in the F2L so as to keep my LL edges oriented, helps my times a lot. This has me thinking though, obviously since ZBF2L requires more moves than Fridrich F2L, and by all my experience should be done slower, that means that ZBLL has to make up the lost time from ZBF2L. Also recognition is clearly
[zbmethod] Re: Advanced Team BLD
--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you also get OLL skips with VHF2L, although I don't know if one is better for it over the other, maybe Chris would calculate it for us :) Shouldn't it also be 1/27? As long as you are always ending with all correctly oriented edges, since you are not doing anything special with the corners, it should be the same. There are, however, cases that cannot be done using VH very easily (certain yucky connected cases and such), but there are only a few of those. Do you break them up and do VHF2L in those cases, too, Dan? ~ Bob Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Re: Definition of VH system.
It says this right on the page: After the pair-up stage, there are only 32 possible configurations of the pair and the LL edge-orientation. These are broken down into 2 groups of 16 cases, 1 group of connected pairs, and 1 group of seperated pairs. So if you know just 32 little tricks, you can almost always flip the LL edges to your advantage after the F2L. If you are unlucky you will have a case for which your algorithm isn't a simple pair up and insert, and in these cases it is very awkward to do anything about it. That is where learning specialised algorithms has a big advantage. Also, almost always is in bold print. ;) ~ Bob --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, David Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That page doesn't include the pair up maneuvers that it makes reference to. For example on these F2L algorithms (taken from Jessica's website), what are the pair up maneuvers that pair up the pieces on the last layer: 1) R2 D2 R D R' D R D2 R 3) R' D R' D' B' D B R2 5a) [D2] R' D B' D' B D' R (I guess that RUR'U'RUR'U' would work) 15) [D2] R2 D2 R D R' D R2 Is there another page that has the algs I'm looking for? Or, would VH solvers revert to standard CFOP when this is the last pair? David On 11/29/05, Christophe Thiriot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try this one : http://www.necrophagous.co.uk/cubestation/f2l/f2ladvanced-influencingLLvh.php Christophe David Barr a écrit : Is there a web page (or list of algorithms) for this step? Thanks, David ___ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group zbmethod on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Weird dream
Hey all... I actually had this weird dream in which somebody suggested to me that I slow down because I'm learning too much too fast and that my times will slow down too much if I continue to learn. I thought this was very very strange, but I am going to keep on learning anyway. ;) ~ Bob Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Re: Motivation and balance
--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Mike Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, just some thoughts, but I'm fairly convinced full ZB will be too difficult to recognize under pressure consistently, at least without years and years of practice. This is something I agree with. That is why I decided to devote the next few years to learning full ZB. ~ Bob Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
