[Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types

[SteveW]

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "seacrofter001"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "SteveW"  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi ED. Yes, there do seem to be parallels. Solids also seem to
> > > share characteristics of what Buddhists call "Discursive-Types".
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Definitions of discursive on the Web:
> * dianoetic: proceeding to a conclusion by reason or argument rather
> than intuition * digressive: (of e.g. speech and writing) tending to
> depart from the main point or cover a wide range of subjects; "amusingly
> digressive with satirical thrusts at women's fashions among other
> things"; "a rambling discursive book"; "his excursive remarks"; "a
> rambling speech about this and that"
> wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
>  3Fs%3Ddiscursive&sa=X&ei=Fg5QTeKKMI-6sAO3n5WpCg&ved=0CA8QpAMoAA&usg=AFQj\
> CNGT8EJT-jvasfLbhfB4hNrj3zUdQQ>
> 
> 
> 
> odiscursively - in a rambling manner
> wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
>  3Fs%3Ddiscursively&sa=X&ei=Fg5QTeKKMI-6sAO3n5WpCg&ved=0CBAQpAMoAQ&usg=AF\
> QjCNHi4lt7M3uT5TNPk8jK4ghd8yPiUQ>
> 
> 
> 
> omeans to wonder from one topic to another; to skim over
> apparently unconnected
> hs.csisd.org/calendar/attachments/6653_1224252684.doc
>  53_1224252684.doc&sa=X&ei=Fg5QTeKKMI-6sAO3n5WpCg&ved=0CBMQpAMoBA&usg=AFQ\
> jCNEuwIhl7gJ3z7IZpF5rlXQ37NB8yw>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > The important thing, imo, is to keep in mind that all such
> > systems of classification are only provisionally useful as
> > upaya, and should not be reified into self-contained boxes,
> > should not be reified into a "self".
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Also, different classification have different objectives.
> 
> The classification of vital/solid/peculiar in
> http://www.shivayoga.org/html/vitalpeculiarsolid.html
>   corresponds to
> body/mind/feelings focus of the individual.
> 
> In general, studying the characteristics of solid and peculiar types
> (and vital too) can be quite helpful to men and women struggling to
> understand the attitudes and behaviors of their partners.
> 
> 
> 
> > The advantage of the
> > Buddhist schemata is that it just focuses on Aversion, Attraction,
> > Confusion, Intellectual Analysis, Clear Seeing and Trust.
> > These are the basic ways in which the mind react to phenomena.
> 
> This (discursive) classification is beautiful and pertinent to the
> objective of understanding the mind's reaction to phenomena.
> 
> 
> > All of the other traits that can be associated with these are
> > secondary, imo. Intellectual Analysis is associated with the
> > Discursive-Type. The Discursive-Type is obsessed with logical
> > analysis and conceptual classifications. But, as Plotinus noted,
> > brilliant intellectual anaysis can never apprehend the uncompounded.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> 
> > Logical anaysis creates conceptual boxes and dividing-lines where
> > none actually exist. They are very useful from the relative point
> > of view, but they are ultimately misleading, imo.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> 
> 
> > It all comes back
> > to The 3 Signs of Being: All phenomena are fluid, not static.
> > Nothing has separate, independant, contained, inherent self-
> > existence. If we do not realize the first two, we suffer. If we
> > do realize the first two, then we can rest in the Unborn.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> 
> 
> > All
> > upaya are provisional rafts for crossing the stream. Even the
> > preceding sentence is just upaya. Who wants to cross the stream?
> > Steve
> 
> Yes.
> 
> --ED
> 
> 
> 
> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" seacrofter001@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > > Replace
> > > 'Hate type' with 'solid type'
> > > 'Greed type' with 'peculiar type',
> > > then, does the following make sense to you?
> > > --ED
> 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/22744
> 
>
  Hey ED. I've noticed that you like Kashmir Shaivism. A Shaivite
  work I read some years ago might interest you. It is entitled
  The Vijnana Bhairava Tantra. It is a list of 112 Shaivite
  meditational practices.
  Steve





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[Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types

[seacrofter001]

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "SteveW"  wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi ED. Yes, there do seem to be parallels. Solids also seem to
> > share characteristics of what Buddhists call "Discursive-Types".

Yes.

Definitions of discursive on the Web:
* dianoetic: proceeding to a conclusion by reason or argument rather
than intuition * digressive: (of e.g. speech and writing) tending to
depart from the main point or cover a wide range of subjects; "amusingly
digressive with satirical thrusts at women's fashions among other
things"; "a rambling discursive book"; "his excursive remarks"; "a
rambling speech about this and that"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn




odiscursively - in a rambling manner
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn




omeans to wonder from one topic to another; to skim over
apparently unconnected
hs.csisd.org/calendar/attachments/6653_1224252684.doc





> The important thing, imo, is to keep in mind that all such
> systems of classification are only provisionally useful as
> upaya, and should not be reified into self-contained boxes,
> should not be reified into a "self".

Yes.

Also, different classification have different objectives.

The classification of vital/solid/peculiar in
http://www.shivayoga.org/html/vitalpeculiarsolid.html
  corresponds to
body/mind/feelings focus of the individual.

In general, studying the characteristics of solid and peculiar types
(and vital too) can be quite helpful to men and women struggling to
understand the attitudes and behaviors of their partners.



> The advantage of the
> Buddhist schemata is that it just focuses on Aversion, Attraction,
> Confusion, Intellectual Analysis, Clear Seeing and Trust.
> These are the basic ways in which the mind react to phenomena.

This (discursive) classification is beautiful and pertinent to the
objective of understanding the mind's reaction to phenomena.


> All of the other traits that can be associated with these are
> secondary, imo. Intellectual Analysis is associated with the
> Discursive-Type. The Discursive-Type is obsessed with logical
> analysis and conceptual classifications. But, as Plotinus noted,
> brilliant intellectual anaysis can never apprehend the uncompounded.

Yes.


> Logical anaysis creates conceptual boxes and dividing-lines where
> none actually exist. They are very useful from the relative point
> of view, but they are ultimately misleading, imo.

Yes.



> It all comes back
> to The 3 Signs of Being: All phenomena are fluid, not static.
> Nothing has separate, independant, contained, inherent self-
> existence. If we do not realize the first two, we suffer. If we
> do realize the first two, then we can rest in the Unborn.

Yes.



> All
> upaya are provisional rafts for crossing the stream. Even the
> preceding sentence is just upaya. Who wants to cross the stream?
> Steve

Yes.

--ED



> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" seacrofter001@ wrote:
> >
> > Steve,
> > Replace
> > 'Hate type' with 'solid type'
> > 'Greed type' with 'peculiar type',
> > then, does the following make sense to you?
> > --ED

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/22744

[Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types

[SteveW]

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain  wrote:
>
> Gentlemen,
>  
> People are not so uni-dimensional, or easily classified. I think this is a 
> fine game-- like Clue.  But trying to "sort" this  way obscures clarity. 
> Why  bother discussing illusion and duality, and then assert these ideas and 
> definitions, unless indeed it is a means to better understand self, others 
> and the world around you. Which makes sense, but still dualistic, imo. I can 
> assure you that analytical people  can also  be keenly intuitive, as  an 
> example. So the question is, can one actually exist in non-duality with no 
> illusions?  
>  
> Meanwhile, I'm  making the  nacho dip, and pulled pork sandwiches. Be 
> well.. ~ k 
> 
>  Hi Kristy. Yeah, you're right about that. I hope you enjoyed the game.
Steve





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Re: [Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types

[Kristy McClain]

Gentlemen,
 
People are not so uni-dimensional, or easily classified. I think this is a fine 
game-- like Clue.  But trying to "sort" this  way obscures clarity. Why  bother 
discussing illusion and duality, and then assert these ideas and definitions, 
unless indeed it is a means to better understand self, others and the world 
around you. Which makes sense, but still dualistic, imo. I can assure you that 
analytical people  can also  be keenly intuitive, as  an example. So the 
question is, can one actually exist in non-duality with no illusions?  
 
Meanwhile, I'm  making the  nacho dip, and pulled pork sandwiches. Be well.. ~ 
k 


--- On Sun, 2/6/11, SteveW  wrote:


From: SteveW 
Subject: [Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 6, 2011, 10:27 AM


  





--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Replace
> 
> 'Hate type' with 'solid type'
> 
> 'Greed type' with 'peculiar type',
> 
> then, does the following make sense to you?
> 
> --ED
> 
> Hi ED. Yes, there do seem to be parallels. Solids also seem to 
share characteristics of what Buddhists call "Discursive-Types".
The important thing, imo, is to keep in mind that all such
systems of classification are only provisionally useful as
upaya, and should not be reified into self-contained boxes,
should not be reified into a "self". The advantage of the
Buddhist schemata is that it just focuses on Aversion, Attraction,
Confusion, Intellectual Analysis, Clear Seeing and Trust.
These are the basic ways in which the mind react to phenomena.
All of the other traits that can be associated with these are
secondary, imo. Intellectual Analysis is associated with the
Discursive-Type. The Discursive-Type is obsessed with logical
analysis and conceptual classifications. But, as Plotinus noted,
brilliant intellectual anaysis can never apprehend the uncompounded.
Logical anaysis creates conceptual boxes and dividing-lines where
none actually exist. They are very useful from the relative point
of view, but they are ultimately misleading, imo. It all comes back
to The 3 Signs of Being: All phenomena are fluid, not static. 
Nothing has separate, independant, contained, inherent self-
existence. If we do not realize the first two, we suffer. If we
do realize the first two, then we can rest in the Unborn. All
upaya are provisional rafts for crossing the stream. Even the
preceding sentence is just upaya. Who wants to cross the stream?
Steve
>
> 
> 









  

[Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types

[SteveW]

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Replace
> 
> 'Hate type' with 'solid type'
> 
> 'Greed type' with 'peculiar type',
> 
> then, does the following make sense to you?
> 
> --ED
> 
> Hi ED. Yes, there do seem to be parallels. Solids also seem to 
  share characteristics of what Buddhists call "Discursive-Types".
  The important thing, imo, is to keep in mind that all such
  systems of classification are only provisionally useful as
  upaya, and should not be reified into self-contained boxes,
  should not be reified into a "self". The advantage of the
  Buddhist schemata is that it just focuses on Aversion, Attraction,
  Confusion, Intellectual Analysis, Clear Seeing and Trust.
  These are the basic ways in which the mind react to phenomena.
  All of the other traits that can be associated with these are
  secondary, imo. Intellectual Analysis is associated with the
  Discursive-Type. The Discursive-Type is obsessed with logical
  analysis and conceptual classifications. But, as Plotinus noted,
  brilliant intellectual anaysis can never apprehend the uncompounded.
  Logical anaysis creates conceptual boxes and dividing-lines where
  none actually exist. They are very useful from the relative point
  of view, but they are ultimately misleading, imo. It all comes back
  to The 3 Signs of Being: All phenomena are fluid, not static. 
  Nothing has separate, independant, contained, inherent self-
  existence. If we do not realize the first two, we suffer. If we
  do realize the first two, then we can rest in the Unborn. All
  upaya are provisional rafts for crossing the stream. Even the
  preceding sentence is just upaya. Who wants to cross the stream?
  Steve
>
> 
> 






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[Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types

[ED]

Steve,

Replace

'Hate type' with 'solid type'

'Greed type' with 'peculiar type',

then, does the following make sense to you?

--ED



Solids: Thinking/Controlling

"I analyse. I philosophise. I illuminate. I am still. I understand.
I control".



... Solids seek stillness and perfect solitude, knowledge and wisdom.
They are centred in the mind, which physically, is in the brow: the
point between the eyes called the `third eye'; Solids use their
intellect to understand the world. They love new understandings and
insights. But they also can feel threatened by an unknown, and possibly
dangerous, future and they worry. Through understanding and analysis,
Solids try to make the world a safe and rational place. Forces of chaos
constantly threaten to explode and stir up their peace and stability.
Solids control feeling with their intellect, thus their chronic problem
is fear, and its near relative, worry.

Since Solids seek rationality and security, they tend to suppress life,
dynamism and change. They approach life through the mind, not the
intuition. They analyse first, and feel and experience later. Solids are
academics, journalists, engineers, philosophers, scientists and doctors.
An entrepreneur is likely to be a Vital, expanding into new markets and
new profits, whereas the Solid might become a lawyer, or an accountant,
seeking professions that provide counsel in caution and restraint.

Solids can be pessimistic and sceptical in their approach to life. Fear
of the future blocks their visionary capabilities. New ideas, new
experiences and new feelings are treated with suspicion. When understood
intellectually they become more accepting, more relaxed and less fearful
of change. Understanding is the key to the Solid's sense of security.

Solids focus, study, limit, control and analyse. Where Vitals expand
their boundaries and Peculiars transcend boundaries, Solids create
boundaries. They seek to create the perfect structure, from which they
can feel safe.

Through their tendency to over-analyse, they can block the life force,
become paralysed with fear and disempower themselves. Their analysis can
become self-protective or ego-protective, rather than leading to wisdom
or insight.

Lacking spontaneity, imagination and sensuality Solids keep themselves
busy with lists and details and are always time-challenged. They have an
overwhelming sense of responsibility. They tend to be arrogant or
judgmental, especially of people who seem irresponsible or lacking in
discipline.

Solids need to open to the life force and trust their emotional and
intuitive realm ...s. They need to understand that they are safe and
protected, even when there is a movement of life and feeling. When they
feel their brows knit, they should be aware that they are worrying. A
good exercise for a Solid would be to bring to mind thoughts like,
"There is nothing to fear. This is my own feeling. These are my own
thoughts. I expand my understanding in this situation. All is well".
When they allow their life force to flow, Solids can create clarity and
peace, even out of chaos.

Solids and The Path of Wisdom

Solids naturally gravitate toward jnana yoga, the path of wisdom. The
main practice of jnana yoga is self-inquiry. The meditator asks
empowering questions like, "Who am I?" or "What is the
nature of the Self?" Awareness is used to focus on the deepest level
of reality. In meditation, jnanis discard all thoughts that seem untrue,
or that lead away from the experience of the Self. They go beyond such
identifications as, "I am a man. I am a woman. I am a doctor"
until only pure awareness pulsates in their mind. An unevolved Solid can
get lost in identifications, treatises or analysis. But they have the
power to turn their intellect towards the inner Self.

Solids have an intense desire to know the deepest reality. They have an
intuition of the truth, and will not stop until they have discovered it.
They probe the nature of reality until they achieve a breakthrough in
understanding. When this happens, their minds merge with the Self, and
they experience a profound insight of their own divinity. Solids then
want to serve the Truth.

Spiritually evolved Solids have a strong sense of Self and a positive
approach to life. They feel secure in that knowledge, and express it by
taking an expansive view of the world and others. Although sceptical at
first, Solids will change when knowledge and understanding dawn. Solids
learn to discern the Truth and express their understanding.

Summary

* The strength of Solids is the ability to analyse, understand and be
dispassionate.

* The weak points manifest when they block the flow of expansion,
creativity and feeling, because of unconscious fear. This can lead to a
sense of lifelessness and rigidity.

* Solids are ever alert for the possible future dangers.

* Self-esteem issues centre on a feeling of not living life
passionately, or of life passing them by.

* They feel themselves lacking

[Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types

[ED]

Hi Steve,

Thank you so much for your insights.

--ED

PS: Here's another well-known classification of personality types based
on three principal ones, and which I believe to be quite insightful:
http://www.shivayoga.org/html/vitalpeculiarsolid.html




--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "SteveW"  wrote:
>
> > Hi ED. Oh, I think that there has been a steady evolution toward
wisdom for you. Of course, "you" are a flowing process, not a fixed
> entity, and through "you" aversion flows into clear seeing. Aversion
> Types feel as though they are always being pushed, while Attraction
> Types feel as though they are always being pulled. It is only possible
> to be pushed and pulled if one feels that one is inside colliding
> with something outside. This imaginary collision of inside and outside
are the Two Hands Clapping.
> > Steve


> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" seacrofter001@ wrote:
> >

> > Hi Steve -
> >
> > No need to take any test. For at least 25 years I have been aware
that I
> > am of the same temperament type as you are. There has been a slight
> > mellowing with age. ;-)
> >
> > --ED

[Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types

[SteveW]

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> Thank you so much for your insights.
> 
> --ED
> 
> PS: Here's another well-known classification of personality types based
> on three principal ones, and which I believe to be quite insightful:
> http://www.shivayoga.org/html/vitalpeculiarsolid.html
> 
> 
> Thank you, ED. Shambo Shankara Namah Shivaya!
  Steve





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[Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types

[SteveW]

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Hi Steve -
> 
> No need to take any test. For at least 25 years I have been aware that I
> am of the same temperament type as you are.  There has been a slight
> mellowing with age. ;-)
> 
> --ED
> 
> Hi ED. Oh, I think that there has been a steady evolution toward wisdom for 
> you. Of course, "you" are a flowing process, not a fixed
entity, and through "you" aversion flows into clear seeing. Aversion
Types feel as though they are always being pushed, while Attraction
Types feel as though they are always being pulled. It is only possible
to be pushed and pulled if one feels that one is inside colliding
with something outside. This imaginary collision of inside and outside are the 
Two Hands Clapping.  
> Steve






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[Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types

[ED]

Hi Steve -

No need to take any test. For at least 25 years I have been aware that I
am of the same temperament type as you are.  There has been a slight
mellowing with age. ;-)

--ED



--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "SteveW"  wrote:
>

> Hi ED. LOL! You are a man who obviously knows how to research
topics online! Tell me, did you take the Tricycle Test? And if
you did, what type are you?
Steve




--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
 , "ED" 
wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> Yes, I am interested in chatting about these ancient Buddhist
> personality temperaments and their application to practice.
>
> --ED


> "... the Buddhist personality types, a 1,600-year old system of
typology
> set forth in the Visuddhimagga, or "The Path of Purification,"
> which summarizes and interprets the teachings in the Pali canon.
>
> One of the principal non-canonical works, the Visuddhimagga was
composed
> eight centuries after the Buddha's death and has been attributed to
> Buddhaghosa, the great fifth century Theravada commentator.
>
> The discussion of Buddhist personality types arises in the chapter on
> choosing a meditation object on which to focus during concentration
> practice; the types are described as part of Buddhaghosa's
> commentary on the canonical text that explains that a teacher should
> give instructions that "suit the temperament" of the student.
>
> The Visuddhimagga offers descriptions of six personality temperaments:
> three unwholesome types and three wholesome types. The text suggests
> that the unwholesome and wholesome types "parallel" each other.
>
> The modern-day application of the personality-type system focuses
> primarily on the three unwholesome types and pairs them with their
> positive attributes.
>
> The three types of Buddhist personalities, paired with their positive
> tendencies, are Greed/Faith, Aversive/Discerning Wisdom, and
> Deluded/Speculative.
>
> The Greed/Faith personality type is characterized by craving and
> optimism, the Aversive/Discerning type by criticism and clarity, and
the
> Deluded/Speculative type by doubt and equanimity.
>
> Each type has its neurotic tendencies and its awakened tendencies, and
> the spiritual task is to learn how to strengthen the awakened
aspects."
>
>
http://www.tricycle.com/feature/which-buddhist-personality-type-are-you

[Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types

[SteveW]

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Yes, I am interested in chatting about these ancient Buddhist
> personality temperaments and their application to practice.
> 
> --ED
> 
> 
> 
> "... the Buddhist personality types, a 1,600-year old system of typology
> set forth in the Visuddhimagga, or "The Path of Purification,"
> which summarizes and interprets the teachings in the Pali canon.
> 
> One of the principal non-canonical works, the Visuddhimagga was composed
> eight centuries after the Buddha's death and has been attributed to
> Buddhaghosa, the great fifth century Theravada commentator.
> 
> The discussion of Buddhist personality types arises in the chapter on
> choosing a meditation object on which to focus during concentration
> practice; the types are described as part of Buddhaghosa's
> commentary on the canonical text that explains that a teacher should
> give instructions that "suit the temperament" of the student.
> 
> The Visuddhimagga offers descriptions of six personality temperaments:
> three unwholesome types and three wholesome types. The text suggests
> that the unwholesome and wholesome types "parallel" each other.
> 
> The modern-day application of the personality-type system focuses
> primarily on the three unwholesome types and pairs them with their
> positive attributes.
> 
> The three types of Buddhist personalities, paired with their positive
> tendencies, are Greed/Faith, Aversive/Discerning Wisdom, and
> Deluded/Speculative.
> 
> The Greed/Faith personality type is characterized by craving and
> optimism, the Aversive/Discerning type by criticism and clarity, and the
> Deluded/Speculative type by doubt and equanimity.
> 
> Each type has its neurotic tendencies and its awakened tendencies, and
> the spiritual task is to learn how to strengthen the awakened aspects."
> 
> http://www.tricycle.com/feature/which-buddhist-personality-type-are-you
>  >
>  Hi ED. LOL! You are a man who obviously knows how to research
   topics online! Tell me, did you take the Tricycle Test? And if
   you did, what type are you?
   Steve
> 
> 






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[Zen] Re: Buddhist Personality Types

[ED]

Steve,

Yes, I am interested in chatting about these ancient Buddhist
personality temperaments and their application to practice.

--ED



"... the Buddhist personality types, a 1,600-year old system of typology
set forth in the Visuddhimagga, or "The Path of Purification,"
which summarizes and interprets the teachings in the Pali canon.

One of the principal non-canonical works, the Visuddhimagga was composed
eight centuries after the Buddha's death and has been attributed to
Buddhaghosa, the great fifth century Theravada commentator.

The discussion of Buddhist personality types arises in the chapter on
choosing a meditation object on which to focus during concentration
practice; the types are described as part of Buddhaghosa's
commentary on the canonical text that explains that a teacher should
give instructions that "suit the temperament" of the student.

The Visuddhimagga offers descriptions of six personality temperaments:
three unwholesome types and three wholesome types. The text suggests
that the unwholesome and wholesome types "parallel" each other.

The modern-day application of the personality-type system focuses
primarily on the three unwholesome types and pairs them with their
positive attributes.

The three types of Buddhist personalities, paired with their positive
tendencies, are Greed/Faith, Aversive/Discerning Wisdom, and
Deluded/Speculative.

The Greed/Faith personality type is characterized by craving and
optimism, the Aversive/Discerning type by criticism and clarity, and the
Deluded/Speculative type by doubt and equanimity.

Each type has its neurotic tendencies and its awakened tendencies, and
the spiritual task is to learn how to strengthen the awakened aspects."

http://www.tricycle.com/feature/which-buddhist-personality-type-are-you




--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "SteveW"  wrote:
>
> Hello. I have personally found the theory of Buddhist Personality
Types
> to be very useful in my practice. The Types are: Hate Type, Greed
Type,
> Confusion Type, Discursive Type, Faith Type and Wisdom Type. This goes
> back to the Pali Canon and really isn't a Zen thing, but I was
wondering if
> anyone else here was interested in this.
> Steve