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There is a very enjoyable Manga series on the life of Buddha by Osama Tezuka, actually. Some gorgeous art and a good story and an interesting if not orthodox take on his biography and teachings. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jun 15, 2013 3:30 AM, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Uncle Scrooge was my favorite. But I outgrew them. Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Merle Lester wrote: edgar...tolerance and compassion please... what is not a comic book to you? you are so so anti comic books did you actually ever get to read any as a kid? merle Merle and Bill, Total comic book BS. Jesus, a fully enlightened teacher ? What does that even mean to you two? Obviously nothing other than a warm fuzzy ego feeling you can use to put some concept to bed without thinking about it any more Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:15 AM, Merle Lester wrote: yes bill..me too i agree..merle Suresh, As you probably know I believe Jesus was a fully enlightened teacher. I think he just taught and spoke using the language of Judaism - much the way Buddha used the language of Hinduism. Two book I liked are: THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN which is a collection of writings by various authors including Alan Watts, and focused on the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas (which is not in the official Bible). http://www.amazon.com/The-Gospel-According-Zen-Beyond/dp/0451627156 I also like THE MUSTARD SEED by Bagran Sri Rashneeh (AKA Osho) which also focused on the Gospel of Thomas. http://www.amazon.com/Mustard-Seed-Bhagwan-Shree-Rajneesh/dp/B000NXJ71M ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@... wrote: Jesus and Advaita:- HERE IS A COPY OF A MAIL RECEIVED FROM A FRIEND AND COMMENTS ARE WELCOME Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita:- Here an attempt is being made to interpret the parables of Jesus, in the light of the knowledge contained in the innumerable scriptures of our ancient land of Bharat. When interpreted thus, all sectarian ideas imposed on the teachings of Christ, such as rejecting all alternative paths, other than Christianity as false, will disappear. The illogical tenets imposed by the Church such as making it mandatory for the whole world to accept the person Jesus as their saviour, in order to be saved from the eternal suffering in hell, finds no place in the real teachings of Christ. Christ's teachings are primarily concerned about the ultimate reality of the universe being one's real Self or consciousness. He necessitates the withdrawal of one's senses from the sense objects and relations of the world, so as to come into the eternal blissful state of being one with the Self, which he calls Entering the Kingdom of Heaven. Hindu Rishis have declared, Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahuta Vadanti which means Truth is ONE; the learned people call it by different names. This is a statement made by the Rishis who have attained self realisation. The Rishi declares without an iota of doubt that Truth is one. They say this because they have fully realised it themselves. There is no scope for doubt. They say it with absolute conviction. They have seen the Truth themselves. Therefore they say, wherever the learned men are, they speak about this same Truth. Because there is no second Truth about which anyone can speak. Therefore the Rishi say, even though the learned men may use different names, they all speak about the same Truth. So whether you call it the `Kingdom of God', or you call it JeevanMukthi they all refer to the liberated state of the soul. The teachings of Jesus are very much in accordance with the Advaita Vedanta philosophy contained in Vedic texts. Jesus does not speak about a Kingdom of God, which shall be established in a future time. In fact the Kingdom of God transcends time itself and one shall enter it by living in the present moment, by connecting to one's inner Self. Jesus says that in order to realise the Father one must detach oneself from this objective manifested world which is impermanent, and meditate on the Self. Jesus is a spiritual master who has to be seen as a Self realised soul, a person who has attained the ultimate Goal prescribed in our scriptures. The Text of the Gospel of Thomas These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke. This opening words of this text, gives a very important clue. It says that the sayings are secret. If we study the teachings of Jesus, he himself says that Truth cannot be hidden and that it will reveal itself. There is nothing secret about the teachings of Christ, in the sense that it shouldn't be imparted to other people. If someone wants to experience sweetness merely hearing the word sweet is not enough. He must eat sugar himself so as to experience sweetness. And he said,
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i see edgar... says something about your outlook on life now mine was donald duck...merle Uncle Scrooge was my favorite. But I outgrew them. Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Merle Lester wrote: edgar...tolerance and compassion please... what is not a comic book to you? you are so so anti comic books did you actually ever get to read any as a kid? merle Merle and Bill, Total comic book BS. Jesus, a fully enlightened teacher ? What does that even mean to you two? Obviously nothing other than a warm fuzzy ego feeling you can use to put some concept to bed without thinking about it any more Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:15 AM, Merle Lester wrote: yes bill..me too i agree..merle Suresh, As you probably know I believe Jesus was a fully enlightened teacher. I think he just taught and spoke using the language of Judaism - much the way Buddha used the language of Hinduism. Two book I liked are: THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN which is a collection of writings by various authors including Alan Watts, and focused on the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas (which is not in the official Bible). http://www.amazon.com/The-Gospel-According-Zen-Beyond/dp/0451627156 I also like THE MUSTARD SEED by Bagran Sri Rashneeh (AKA Osho) which also focused on the Gospel of Thomas. http://www.amazon.com/Mustard-Seed-Bhagwan-Shree-Rajneesh/dp/B000NXJ71M ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@... wrote: Jesus and Advaita:- HERE IS A COPY OF A MAIL RECEIVED FROM A FRIEND AND COMMENTS ARE WELCOME Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita:- Here an attempt is being made to interpret the parables of Jesus, in the light of the knowledge contained in the innumerable scriptures of our ancient land of Bharat. When interpreted thus, all sectarian ideas imposed on the teachings of Christ, such as rejecting all alternative paths, other than Christianity as false, will disappear. The illogical tenets imposed by the Church such as making it mandatory for the whole world to accept the person Jesus as their saviour, in order to be saved from the eternal suffering in hell, finds no place in the real teachings of Christ. Christ's teachings are primarily concerned about the ultimate reality of the universe being one's real Self or consciousness. He necessitates the withdrawal of one's senses from the sense objects and relations of the world, so as to come into the eternal blissful state of being one with the Self, which he calls Entering the Kingdom of Heaven. Hindu Rishis have declared, Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahuta Vadanti which means Truth is ONE; the learned people call it by different names. This is a statement made by the Rishis who have attained self realisation. The Rishi declares without an iota of doubt that Truth is one. They say this because they have fully realised it themselves. There is no scope for doubt. They say it with absolute conviction. They have seen the Truth themselves. Therefore they say, wherever the learned men are, they speak about this same Truth. Because there is no second Truth about which anyone can speak. Therefore the Rishi say, even though the learned men may use different names, they all speak about the same Truth. So whether you call it the `Kingdom of God', or you call it JeevanMukthi they all refer to the liberated state of the soul. The teachings of Jesus are very much in accordance with the Advaita Vedanta philosophy contained in Vedic texts. Jesus does not speak about a Kingdom of God, which shall be established in a future time. In fact the Kingdom of God transcends time itself and one shall enter it by living in the present moment, by connecting to one's inner Self. Jesus says that in order to realise the Father one must detach oneself from this objective manifested world which is impermanent, and meditate on the Self. Jesus is a spiritual master who has to be seen as a Self realised soul, a person who has attained the ultimate Goal prescribed in our scriptures. The Text of the Gospel of Thomas These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke. This opening words of this text, gives a very important clue. It says that the sayings are secret. If we study the teachings of Jesus, he himself says that Truth cannot be hidden and that it will reveal itself. There is nothing secret about the teachings of Christ, in the sense that it shouldn't be imparted to other people. If someone wants to experience sweetness merely hearing the word sweet is not enough. He must eat sugar himself so as to experience sweetness. And he said, Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death. Jesus said, Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. 2When they find, they will be disturbed. 3When they are disturbed, they will marvel, 4and will rule over all. This
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butting in edgar...and bill...bill has a compassionate heart..warm and fuzzy because he loves dogs...that's as real as it gets..merle Bill, LOL! How presumptuous and condescending of your ego to think I don't... The apparent difference between you and me is that real things here and now give me warm fuzzy feelings but illusory personal opinions about things that no longer exist and likely never did give them to you Gosh saying that just made me feel warm and fuzzy! :-) Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:23 PM, Bill! wrote: Edgar, I'm glad you have something that gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling. I'd advise you to try to expand that feeling as much as possible to encompass as much of the rest of your life as possible. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote: Edgar What gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling? The 3 half grown fox babies running around my front yard this morning. The mother has been missing for weeks. The father is running himself ragged taking care of them with my help. He can't walk on one hind leg and so can't hunt well enough to feed his babies so I've been feeding them all since they were born. In other words what gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling are things real and natural going right, rather than irrelevant speculations about long dead preachers who DID NOT rise from the dead and go to heaven and were NOT fully enlightened whatever that means... Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Bill! wrote: Edgar, Yes, things like this do give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. What gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@ wrote: Merle and Bill, Total comic book BS. Jesus, a fully enlightened teacher ? What does that even mean to you two? Obviously nothing other than a warm fuzzy ego feeling you can use to put some concept to bed without thinking about it any more Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:15 AM, Merle Lester wrote: yes bill..me too i agree..merle Suresh, As you probably know I believe Jesus was a fully enlightened teacher. I think he just taught and spoke using the language of Judaism - much the way Buddha used the language of Hinduism. Two book I liked are: THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN which is a collection of writings by various authors including Alan Watts, and focused on the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas (which is not in the official Bible). http://www.amazon.com/The-Gospel-According-Zen-Beyond/dp/0451627156 I also like THE MUSTARD SEED by Bagran Sri Rashneeh (AKA Osho) which also focused on the Gospel of Thomas. http://www.amazon.com/Mustard-Seed-Bhagwan-Shree-Rajneesh/dp/B000NXJ71M ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@ wrote: Jesus and Advaita:- HERE IS A COPY OF A MAIL RECEIVED FROM A FRIEND AND COMMENTS ARE WELCOME Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita:- Here an attempt is being made to interpret the parables of Jesus, in the light of the knowledge contained in the innumerable scriptures of our ancient land of Bharat. When interpreted thus, all sectarian ideas imposed on the teachings of Christ, such as rejecting all alternative paths, other than Christianity as false, will disappear. The illogical tenets imposed by the Church such as making it mandatory for the whole world to accept the person Jesus as their saviour, in order to be saved from the eternal suffering in hell, finds no place in the real teachings of Christ. Christ's teachings are primarily concerned about the ultimate reality of the universe being one's real Self or consciousness. He necessitates the withdrawal of one's senses from the sense objects and relations of the world, so as to come into the eternal blissful state of being one with the Self, which he calls Entering the Kingdom of Heaven. Hindu Rishis have declared, Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahuta Vadanti which means Truth is ONE; the learned people call it by different names. This is a statement made by the Rishis who have attained self realisation. The Rishi declares without an iota of doubt that Truth is one. They say this because they have fully realised it themselves. There is no scope for doubt. They say it with absolute conviction. They have seen the Truth themselves. Therefore they say, wherever the learned men are, they speak about this same Truth. Because there is no second Truth about which anyone can speak. Therefore the Rishi say, even though the learned men may use different names, they all speak about the same Truth. So whether you call it the `Kingdom of God', or you call it JeevanMukthi they all refer to the liberated state of the soul. The teachings of Jesus are very much in accordance with the Advaita Vedanta philosophy contained in Vedic texts. Jesus does not speak about a Kingdom of God, which shall be established in a future time. In
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Merle and Bill, Total comic book BS. Jesus, a fully enlightened teacher ? What does that even mean to you two? Obviously nothing other than a warm fuzzy ego feeling you can use to put some concept to bed without thinking about it any more Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:15 AM, Merle Lester wrote: yes bill..me too i agree..merle Suresh, As you probably know I believe Jesus was a fully enlightened teacher. I think he just taught and spoke using the language of Judaism - much the way Buddha used the language of Hinduism. Two book I liked are: THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN which is a collection of writings by various authors including Alan Watts, and focused on the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas (which is not in the official Bible). http://www.amazon.com/The-Gospel-According-Zen-Beyond/dp/0451627156 I also like THE MUSTARD SEED by Bagran Sri Rashneeh (AKA Osho) which also focused on the Gospel of Thomas. http://www.amazon.com/Mustard-Seed-Bhagwan-Shree-Rajneesh/dp/B000NXJ71M ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@... wrote: Jesus and Advaita:- HERE IS A COPY OF A MAIL RECEIVED FROM A FRIEND AND COMMENTS ARE WELCOME Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita:- Here an attempt is being made to interpret the parables of Jesus, in the light of the knowledge contained in the innumerable scriptures of our ancient land of Bharat. When interpreted thus, all sectarian ideas imposed on the teachings of Christ, such as rejecting all alternative paths, other than Christianity as false, will disappear. The illogical tenets imposed by the Church such as making it mandatory for the whole world to accept the person Jesus as their saviour, in order to be saved from the eternal suffering in hell, finds no place in the real teachings of Christ. Christ's teachings are primarily concerned about the ultimate reality of the universe being one's real Self or consciousness. He necessitates the withdrawal of one's senses from the sense objects and relations of the world, so as to come into the eternal blissful state of being one with the Self, which he calls Entering the Kingdom of Heaven. Hindu Rishis have declared, Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahuta Vadanti which means Truth is ONE; the learned people call it by different names. This is a statement made by the Rishis who have attained self realisation. The Rishi declares without an iota of doubt that Truth is one. They say this because they have fully realised it themselves. There is no scope for doubt. They say it with absolute conviction. They have seen the Truth themselves. Therefore they say, wherever the learned men are, they speak about this same Truth. Because there is no second Truth about which anyone can speak. Therefore the Rishi say, even though the learned men may use different names, they all speak about the same Truth. So whether you call it the `Kingdom of God', or you call it JeevanMukthi they all refer to the liberated state of the soul. The teachings of Jesus are very much in accordance with the Advaita Vedanta philosophy contained in Vedic texts. Jesus does not speak about a Kingdom of God, which shall be established in a future time. In fact the Kingdom of God transcends time itself and one shall enter it by living in the present moment, by connecting to one's inner Self. Jesus says that in order to realise the Father one must detach oneself from this objective manifested world which is impermanent, and meditate on the Self. Jesus is a spiritual master who has to be seen as a Self realised soul, a person who has attained the ultimate Goal prescribed in our scriptures. The Text of the Gospel of Thomas These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke. This opening words of this text, gives a very important clue. It says that the sayings are secret. If we study the teachings of Jesus, he himself says that Truth cannot be hidden and that it will reveal itself. There is nothing secret about the teachings of Christ, in the sense that it shouldn't be imparted to other people. If someone wants to experience sweetness merely hearing the word sweet is not enough. He must eat sugar himself so as to experience sweetness. And he said, Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death. Jesus said, Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. 2When they find, they will be disturbed. 3When they are disturbed, they will marvel, 4and will rule over all. This verse throws light on the knowledge of Jesus Christ about the ultimate reality behind the universe. These are the words of a real master, who has discovered the Truth himself. The words come from a man of absolute conviction, who does not have to think twice about what He is saying. Jesus instructs his followers that they should not
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Edgar, Yes, things like this do give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. What gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote: Merle and Bill, Total comic book BS. Jesus, a fully enlightened teacher ? What does that even mean to you two? Obviously nothing other than a warm fuzzy ego feeling you can use to put some concept to bed without thinking about it any more Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:15 AM, Merle Lester wrote: yes bill..me too i agree..merle Suresh, As you probably know I believe Jesus was a fully enlightened teacher. I think he just taught and spoke using the language of Judaism - much the way Buddha used the language of Hinduism. Two book I liked are: THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN which is a collection of writings by various authors including Alan Watts, and focused on the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas (which is not in the official Bible). http://www.amazon.com/The-Gospel-According-Zen-Beyond/dp/0451627156 I also like THE MUSTARD SEED by Bagran Sri Rashneeh (AKA Osho) which also focused on the Gospel of Thomas. http://www.amazon.com/Mustard-Seed-Bhagwan-Shree-Rajneesh/dp/B000NXJ71M ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@ wrote: Jesus and Advaita:- HERE IS A COPY OF A MAIL RECEIVED FROM A FRIEND AND COMMENTS ARE WELCOME Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita:- Here an attempt is being made to interpret the parables of Jesus, in the light of the knowledge contained in the innumerable scriptures of our ancient land of Bharat. When interpreted thus, all sectarian ideas imposed on the teachings of Christ, such as rejecting all alternative paths, other than Christianity as false, will disappear. The illogical tenets imposed by the Church such as making it mandatory for the whole world to accept the person Jesus as their saviour, in order to be saved from the eternal suffering in hell, finds no place in the real teachings of Christ. Christ's teachings are primarily concerned about the ultimate reality of the universe being one's real Self or consciousness. He necessitates the withdrawal of one's senses from the sense objects and relations of the world, so as to come into the eternal blissful state of being one with the Self, which he calls Entering the Kingdom of Heaven. Hindu Rishis have declared, Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahuta Vadanti which means Truth is ONE; the learned people call it by different names. This is a statement made by the Rishis who have attained self realisation. The Rishi declares without an iota of doubt that Truth is one. They say this because they have fully realised it themselves. There is no scope for doubt. They say it with absolute conviction. They have seen the Truth themselves. Therefore they say, wherever the learned men are, they speak about this same Truth. Because there is no second Truth about which anyone can speak. Therefore the Rishi say, even though the learned men may use different names, they all speak about the same Truth. So whether you call it the `Kingdom of God', or you call it JeevanMukthi they all refer to the liberated state of the soul. The teachings of Jesus are very much in accordance with the Advaita Vedanta philosophy contained in Vedic texts. Jesus does not speak about a Kingdom of God, which shall be established in a future time. In fact the Kingdom of God transcends time itself and one shall enter it by living in the present moment, by connecting to one's inner Self. Jesus says that in order to realise the Father one must detach oneself from this objective manifested world which is impermanent, and meditate on the Self. Jesus is a spiritual master who has to be seen as a Self realised soul, a person who has attained the ultimate Goal prescribed in our scriptures. The Text of the Gospel of Thomas These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke. This opening words of this text, gives a very important clue. It says that the sayings are secret. If we study the teachings of Jesus, he himself says that Truth cannot be hidden and that it will reveal itself. There is nothing secret about the teachings of Christ, in the sense that it shouldn't be imparted to other people. If someone wants to experience sweetness merely hearing the word sweet is not enough. He must eat sugar himself so as to experience sweetness. And he said, Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death. Jesus said, Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. 2When they find, they will be disturbed. 3When they are disturbed, they will marvel, 4and will rule over all. This verse throws light on the knowledge of Jesus
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Edgar What gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling? The 3 half grown fox babies running around my front yard this morning. The mother has been missing for weeks. The father is running himself ragged taking care of them with my help. He can't walk on one hind leg and so can't hunt well enough to feed his babies so I've been feeding them all since they were born. In other words what gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling are things real and natural going right, rather than irrelevant speculations about long dead preachers who DID NOT rise from the dead and go to heaven and were NOT fully enlightened whatever that means... Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Bill! wrote: Edgar, Yes, things like this do give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. What gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote: Merle and Bill, Total comic book BS. Jesus, a fully enlightened teacher ? What does that even mean to you two? Obviously nothing other than a warm fuzzy ego feeling you can use to put some concept to bed without thinking about it any more Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:15 AM, Merle Lester wrote: yes bill..me too i agree..merle Suresh, As you probably know I believe Jesus was a fully enlightened teacher. I think he just taught and spoke using the language of Judaism - much the way Buddha used the language of Hinduism. Two book I liked are: THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN which is a collection of writings by various authors including Alan Watts, and focused on the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas (which is not in the official Bible). http://www.amazon.com/The-Gospel-According-Zen-Beyond/dp/0451627156 I also like THE MUSTARD SEED by Bagran Sri Rashneeh (AKA Osho) which also focused on the Gospel of Thomas. http://www.amazon.com/Mustard-Seed-Bhagwan-Shree-Rajneesh/dp/B000NXJ71M ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@ wrote: Jesus and Advaita:- HERE IS A COPY OF A MAIL RECEIVED FROM A FRIEND AND COMMENTS ARE WELCOME Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita:- Here an attempt is being made to interpret the parables of Jesus, in the light of the knowledge contained in the innumerable scriptures of our ancient land of Bharat. When interpreted thus, all sectarian ideas imposed on the teachings of Christ, such as rejecting all alternative paths, other than Christianity as false, will disappear. The illogical tenets imposed by the Church such as making it mandatory for the whole world to accept the person Jesus as their saviour, in order to be saved from the eternal suffering in hell, finds no place in the real teachings of Christ. Christ's teachings are primarily concerned about the ultimate reality of the universe being one's real Self or consciousness. He necessitates the withdrawal of one's senses from the sense objects and relations of the world, so as to come into the eternal blissful state of being one with the Self, which he calls Entering the Kingdom of Heaven. Hindu Rishis have declared, Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahuta Vadanti which means Truth is ONE; the learned people call it by different names. This is a statement made by the Rishis who have attained self realisation. The Rishi declares without an iota of doubt that Truth is one. They say this because they have fully realised it themselves. There is no scope for doubt. They say it with absolute conviction. They have seen the Truth themselves. Therefore they say, wherever the learned men are, they speak about this same Truth. Because there is no second Truth about which anyone can speak. Therefore the Rishi say, even though the learned men may use different names, they all speak about the same Truth. So whether you call it the `Kingdom of God', or you call it JeevanMukthi they all refer to the liberated state of the soul. The teachings of Jesus are very much in accordance with the Advaita Vedanta philosophy contained in Vedic texts. Jesus does not speak about a Kingdom of God, which shall be established in a future time. In fact the Kingdom of God transcends time itself and one shall enter it by living in the present moment, by connecting to one's inner Self. Jesus says that in order to realise the Father one must detach oneself from this objective manifested world which is impermanent, and meditate on the Self. Jesus is a spiritual master who has to be seen as a Self realised soul, a person who has attained the ultimate Goal prescribed in our scriptures. The Text of the Gospel of Thomas These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke. This opening words of this text, gives a very important
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edgar...tolerance and compassion please... what is not a comic book to you? you are so so anti comic books did you actually ever get to read any as a kid? merle Merle and Bill, Total comic book BS. Jesus, a fully enlightened teacher ? What does that even mean to you two? Obviously nothing other than a warm fuzzy ego feeling you can use to put some concept to bed without thinking about it any more Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:15 AM, Merle Lester wrote: yes bill..me too i agree..merle Suresh, As you probably know I believe Jesus was a fully enlightened teacher. I think he just taught and spoke using the language of Judaism - much the way Buddha used the language of Hinduism. Two book I liked are: THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN which is a collection of writings by various authors including Alan Watts, and focused on the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas (which is not in the official Bible). http://www.amazon.com/The-Gospel-According-Zen-Beyond/dp/0451627156 I also like THE MUSTARD SEED by Bagran Sri Rashneeh (AKA Osho) which also focused on the Gospel of Thomas. http://www.amazon.com/Mustard-Seed-Bhagwan-Shree-Rajneesh/dp/B000NXJ71M ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@... wrote: Jesus and Advaita:- HERE IS A COPY OF A MAIL RECEIVED FROM A FRIEND AND COMMENTS ARE WELCOME Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita:- Here an attempt is being made to interpret the parables of Jesus, in the light of the knowledge contained in the innumerable scriptures of our ancient land of Bharat. When interpreted thus, all sectarian ideas imposed on the teachings of Christ, such as rejecting all alternative paths, other than Christianity as false, will disappear. The illogical tenets imposed by the Church such as making it mandatory for the whole world to accept the person Jesus as their saviour, in order to be saved from the eternal suffering in hell, finds no place in the real teachings of Christ. Christ's teachings are primarily concerned about the ultimate reality of the universe being one's real Self or consciousness. He necessitates the withdrawal of one's senses from the sense objects and relations of the world, so as to come into the eternal blissful state of being one with the Self, which he calls Entering the Kingdom of Heaven. Hindu Rishis have declared, Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahuta Vadanti which means Truth is ONE; the learned people call it by different names. This is a statement made by the Rishis who have attained self realisation. The Rishi declares without an iota of doubt that Truth is one. They say this because they have fully realised it themselves. There is no scope for doubt. They say it with absolute conviction. They have seen the Truth themselves. Therefore they say, wherever the learned men are, they speak about this same Truth. Because there is no second Truth about which anyone can speak. Therefore the Rishi say, even though the learned men may use different names, they all speak about the same Truth. So whether you call it the `Kingdom of God', or you call it JeevanMukthi they all refer to the liberated state of the soul. The teachings of Jesus are very much in accordance with the Advaita Vedanta philosophy contained in Vedic texts. Jesus does not speak about a Kingdom of God, which shall be established in a future time. In fact the Kingdom of God transcends time itself and one shall enter it by living in the present moment, by connecting to one's inner Self. Jesus says that in order to realise the Father one must detach oneself from this objective manifested world which is impermanent, and meditate on the Self. Jesus is a spiritual master who has to be seen as a Self realised soul, a person who has attained the ultimate Goal prescribed in our scriptures. The Text of the Gospel of Thomas These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke. This opening words of this text, gives a very important clue. It says that the sayings are secret. If we study the teachings of Jesus, he himself says that Truth cannot be hidden and that it will reveal itself. There is nothing secret about the teachings of Christ, in the sense that it shouldn't be imparted to other people. If someone wants to experience sweetness merely hearing the word sweet is not enough. He must eat sugar himself so as to experience sweetness. And he said, Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death. Jesus said, Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. 2When they find, they will be disturbed. 3When they are disturbed, they will marvel, 4and will rule over all. This verse throws light on the knowledge of Jesus Christ about the ultimate reality behind the universe. These are the words of a real master, who has discovered the Truth himself. The words come from a man of absolute conviction, who does not have to think twice
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and edgar...what's so evil about feeling warm and fussy?...oh what a feeling...merle Edgar, Yes, things like this do give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. What gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote: Merle and Bill, Total comic book BS. Jesus, a fully enlightened teacher ? What does that even mean to you two? Obviously nothing other than a warm fuzzy ego feeling you can use to put some concept to bed without thinking about it any more Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:15 AM, Merle Lester wrote: yes bill..me too i agree..merle Suresh, As you probably know I believe Jesus was a fully enlightened teacher. I think he just taught and spoke using the language of Judaism - much the way Buddha used the language of Hinduism. Two book I liked are: THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN which is a collection of writings by various authors including Alan Watts, and focused on the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas (which is not in the official Bible). http://www.amazon.com/The-Gospel-According-Zen-Beyond/dp/0451627156 I also like THE MUSTARD SEED by Bagran Sri Rashneeh (AKA Osho) which also focused on the Gospel of Thomas. http://www.amazon.com/Mustard-Seed-Bhagwan-Shree-Rajneesh/dp/B000NXJ71M ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@ wrote: Jesus and Advaita:- HERE IS A COPY OF A MAIL RECEIVED FROM A FRIEND AND COMMENTS ARE WELCOME Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita:- Here an attempt is being made to interpret the parables of Jesus, in the light of the knowledge contained in the innumerable scriptures of our ancient land of Bharat. When interpreted thus, all sectarian ideas imposed on the teachings of Christ, such as rejecting all alternative paths, other than Christianity as false, will disappear. The illogical tenets imposed by the Church such as making it mandatory for the whole world to accept the person Jesus as their saviour, in order to be saved from the eternal suffering in hell, finds no place in the real teachings of Christ. Christ's teachings are primarily concerned about the ultimate reality of the universe being one's real Self or consciousness. He necessitates the withdrawal of one's senses from the sense objects and relations of the world, so as to come into the eternal blissful state of being one with the Self, which he calls Entering the Kingdom of Heaven. Hindu Rishis have declared, Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahuta Vadanti which means Truth is ONE; the learned people call it by different names. This is a statement made by the Rishis who have attained self realisation. The Rishi declares without an iota of doubt that Truth is one. They say this because they have fully realised it themselves. There is no scope for doubt. They say it with absolute conviction. They have seen the Truth themselves. Therefore they say, wherever the learned men are, they speak about this same Truth. Because there is no second Truth about which anyone can speak. Therefore the Rishi say, even though the learned men may use different names, they all speak about the same Truth. So whether you call it the `Kingdom of God', or you call it JeevanMukthi they all refer to the liberated state of the soul. The teachings of Jesus are very much in accordance with the Advaita Vedanta philosophy contained in Vedic texts. Jesus does not speak about a Kingdom of God, which shall be established in a future time. In fact the Kingdom of God transcends time itself and one shall enter it by living in the present moment, by connecting to one's inner Self. Jesus says that in order to realise the Father one must detach oneself from this objective manifested world which is impermanent, and meditate on the Self. Jesus is a spiritual master who has to be seen as a Self realised soul, a person who has attained the ultimate Goal prescribed in our scriptures. The Text of the Gospel of Thomas These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke. This opening words of this text, gives a very important clue. It says that the sayings are secret. If we study the teachings of Jesus, he himself says that Truth cannot be hidden and that it will reveal itself. There is nothing secret about the teachings of Christ, in the sense that it shouldn't be imparted to other people. If someone wants to experience sweetness merely hearing the word sweet is not enough. He must eat sugar himself so as to experience sweetness. And he said, Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death. Jesus said, Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. 2When they find, they will be disturbed. 3When they are disturbed,
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Edgar, I'm glad you have something that gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling. I'd advise you to try to expand that feeling as much as possible to encompass as much of the rest of your life as possible. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote: Edgar What gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling? The 3 half grown fox babies running around my front yard this morning. The mother has been missing for weeks. The father is running himself ragged taking care of them with my help. He can't walk on one hind leg and so can't hunt well enough to feed his babies so I've been feeding them all since they were born. In other words what gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling are things real and natural going right, rather than irrelevant speculations about long dead preachers who DID NOT rise from the dead and go to heaven and were NOT fully enlightened whatever that means... Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Bill! wrote: Edgar, Yes, things like this do give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. What gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@ wrote: Merle and Bill, Total comic book BS. Jesus, a fully enlightened teacher ? What does that even mean to you two? Obviously nothing other than a warm fuzzy ego feeling you can use to put some concept to bed without thinking about it any more Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:15 AM, Merle Lester wrote: yes bill..me too i agree..merle Suresh, As you probably know I believe Jesus was a fully enlightened teacher. I think he just taught and spoke using the language of Judaism - much the way Buddha used the language of Hinduism. Two book I liked are: THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN which is a collection of writings by various authors including Alan Watts, and focused on the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas (which is not in the official Bible). http://www.amazon.com/The-Gospel-According-Zen-Beyond/dp/0451627156 I also like THE MUSTARD SEED by Bagran Sri Rashneeh (AKA Osho) which also focused on the Gospel of Thomas. http://www.amazon.com/Mustard-Seed-Bhagwan-Shree-Rajneesh/dp/B000NXJ71M ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@ wrote: Jesus and Advaita:- HERE IS A COPY OF A MAIL RECEIVED FROM A FRIEND AND COMMENTS ARE WELCOME Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita:- Here an attempt is being made to interpret the parables of Jesus, in the light of the knowledge contained in the innumerable scriptures of our ancient land of Bharat. When interpreted thus, all sectarian ideas imposed on the teachings of Christ, such as rejecting all alternative paths, other than Christianity as false, will disappear. The illogical tenets imposed by the Church such as making it mandatory for the whole world to accept the person Jesus as their saviour, in order to be saved from the eternal suffering in hell, finds no place in the real teachings of Christ. Christ's teachings are primarily concerned about the ultimate reality of the universe being one's real Self or consciousness. He necessitates the withdrawal of one's senses from the sense objects and relations of the world, so as to come into the eternal blissful state of being one with the Self, which he calls Entering the Kingdom of Heaven. Hindu Rishis have declared, Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahuta Vadanti which means Truth is ONE; the learned people call it by different names. This is a statement made by the Rishis who have attained self realisation. The Rishi declares without an iota of doubt that Truth is one. They say this because they have fully realised it themselves. There is no scope for doubt. They say it with absolute conviction. They have seen the Truth themselves. Therefore they say, wherever the learned men are, they speak about this same Truth. Because there is no second Truth about which anyone can speak. Therefore the Rishi say, even though the learned men may use different names, they all speak about the same Truth. So whether you call it the `Kingdom of God', or you call it JeevanMukthi they all refer to the liberated state of the soul. The teachings of Jesus are very much in accordance with the Advaita Vedanta philosophy contained in Vedic texts. Jesus does not speak about a Kingdom of God, which shall be established in a future time. In fact the Kingdom of God transcends time itself and one shall enter it by living in the present moment, by connecting to one's inner Self. Jesus says that in order to realise the Father one must detach oneself from this objective
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and much more than warm and fuzzy... tolerance and compassion merle Edgar, I'm glad you have something that gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling. I'd advise you to try to expand that feeling as much as possible to encompass as much of the rest of your life as possible. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote: Edgar What gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling? The 3 half grown fox babies running around my front yard this morning. The mother has been missing for weeks. The father is running himself ragged taking care of them with my help. He can't walk on one hind leg and so can't hunt well enough to feed his babies so I've been feeding them all since they were born. In other words what gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling are things real and natural going right, rather than irrelevant speculations about long dead preachers who DID NOT rise from the dead and go to heaven and were NOT fully enlightened whatever that means... Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Bill! wrote: Edgar, Yes, things like this do give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. What gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@ wrote: Merle and Bill, Total comic book BS. Jesus, a fully enlightened teacher ? What does that even mean to you two? Obviously nothing other than a warm fuzzy ego feeling you can use to put some concept to bed without thinking about it any more Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:15 AM, Merle Lester wrote: yes bill..me too i agree..merle Suresh, As you probably know I believe Jesus was a fully enlightened teacher. I think he just taught and spoke using the language of Judaism - much the way Buddha used the language of Hinduism. Two book I liked are: THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN which is a collection of writings by various authors including Alan Watts, and focused on the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas (which is not in the official Bible). http://www.amazon.com/The-Gospel-According-Zen-Beyond/dp/0451627156 I also like THE MUSTARD SEED by Bagran Sri Rashneeh (AKA Osho) which also focused on the Gospel of Thomas. http://www.amazon.com/Mustard-Seed-Bhagwan-Shree-Rajneesh/dp/B000NXJ71M ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@ wrote: Jesus and Advaita:- HERE IS A COPY OF A MAIL RECEIVED FROM A FRIEND AND COMMENTS ARE WELCOME Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita:- Here an attempt is being made to interpret the parables of Jesus, in the light of the knowledge contained in the innumerable scriptures of our ancient land of Bharat. When interpreted thus, all sectarian ideas imposed on the teachings of Christ, such as rejecting all alternative paths, other than Christianity as false, will disappear. The illogical tenets imposed by the Church such as making it mandatory for the whole world to accept the person Jesus as their saviour, in order to be saved from the eternal suffering in hell, finds no place in the real teachings of Christ. Christ's teachings are primarily concerned about the ultimate reality of the universe being one's real Self or consciousness. He necessitates the withdrawal of one's senses from the sense objects and relations of the world, so as to come into the eternal blissful state of being one with the Self, which he calls Entering the Kingdom of Heaven. Hindu Rishis have declared, Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahuta Vadanti which means Truth is ONE; the learned people call it by different names. This is a statement made by the Rishis who have attained self realisation. The Rishi declares without an iota of doubt that Truth is one. They say this because they have fully realised it themselves. There is no scope for doubt. They say it with absolute conviction. They have seen the Truth themselves. Therefore they say, wherever the learned men are, they speak about this same Truth. Because there is no second Truth about which anyone can speak. Therefore the Rishi say, even though the learned men may use different names, they all speak about the same Truth. So whether you call it the `Kingdom of God', or you call it JeevanMukthi they all refer to the liberated state of the soul. The teachings of Jesus are very much in accordance with the Advaita Vedanta philosophy contained in Vedic texts. Jesus does not speak about a Kingdom of God, which shall be established in a future time. In fact the Kingdom of God transcends time itself and one shall enter it by living in the present moment, by connecting to one's inner Self. Jesus says that in order
