edgar...tolerance and compassion please...
what is not a comic book to you? you are so so anti comic books did you actually ever get to read any as a kid? merle Merle and Bill, Total comic book BS..... Jesus, a "fully enlightened teacher" ? What does that even mean to you two? Obviously nothing other than a warm fuzzy ego feeling you can use to put some concept to bed without thinking about it any more.... Edgar On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:15 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > yes bill..me too i agree..merle > >Suresh, > >As you probably know I believe Jesus was a fully enlightened teacher. I think >he just taught and spoke using the language of Judaism - much the way Buddha >used the language of Hinduism. > >Two book I liked are: > >THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN which is a collection of writings by various >authors including Alan Watts, and focused on the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas >(which is not in the official Bible). >http://www.amazon.com/The-Gospel-According-Zen-Beyond/dp/0451627156 > >I also like THE MUSTARD SEED by Bagran Sri Rashneeh (AKA Osho) which also >focused on the Gospel of Thomas. >http://www.amazon.com/Mustard-Seed-Bhagwan-Shree-Rajneesh/dp/B000NXJ71M > >...Bill! > >--- In [email protected], SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@...> wrote: >> >> Jesus and Advaita:- >> >> HERE IS A COPY OF A MAIL RECEIVED FROM A FRIEND AND COMMENTS ARE WELCOME >> >> Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita:- >> >> Here an attempt is being made to interpret the parables of Jesus, in >> the light of the knowledge contained in the innumerable scriptures of >> our ancient land of Bharat. When interpreted thus, all sectarian ideas >> imposed on the teachings of Christ, such as rejecting all alternative >> paths, other than Christianity as false, will disappear. The illogical >> tenets imposed by the Church such as making it mandatory for the whole >> world to accept the person Jesus as their saviour, in order to be >> saved from the eternal suffering in hell, finds no place in the real >> teachings of Christ. >> >> Christ's teachings are primarily concerned about the ultimate reality >> of the universe being one's real Self or consciousness. >> He necessitates the withdrawal of one's senses from the sense objects >> and relations of the world, so as to come into the eternal blissful >> state of being one with the Self, which he calls "Entering the Kingdom >> of Heaven". >> >> Hindu Rishis have declared, "Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahuta Vadanti" which >> means "Truth is ONE; the learned people call it by different names". >> This is a statement made by the Rishis who have attained self realisation. >> The Rishi declares without an iota of doubt that Truth is one. >> They say this because they have fully realised it themselves. >> There is no scope for doubt. >> They say it with absolute conviction. >> They have seen the Truth themselves. >> Therefore they say, wherever the learned men are, they speak about >> this same Truth. >> Because there is no second Truth about which anyone can speak. >> Therefore the Rishi say, even though the learned men may use different >> names, they all speak about the same Truth. >> So whether you call it the `Kingdom of God', or you call it >> JeevanMukthi they all refer to the liberated state of the soul. >> >> The teachings of Jesus are very much in accordance with the Advaita >> Vedanta philosophy contained in Vedic texts. >> Jesus does not speak about a Kingdom of God, which shall be >> established in a future time. >> In fact the Kingdom of God transcends time itself and one shall enter >> it by living in the present moment, by connecting to one's inner Self. >> Jesus says that in order to realise the Father one must detach oneself >> from this objective manifested world which is impermanent, and >> meditate on the Self. >> >> Jesus is a spiritual master who has to be seen as a Self realised >> soul, a person who has attained the ultimate Goal prescribed in our >> scriptures. >> >> The Text of the Gospel of Thomas >> >> These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke. >> >> This opening words of this text, gives a very important clue. >> It says that the sayings are secret. >> If we study the teachings of Jesus, he himself says that Truth cannot >> be hidden and that it will reveal itself. >> There is nothing secret about the teachings of Christ, in the sense >> that it shouldn't be imparted to other people. >> >> If someone wants to experience sweetness merely hearing the word sweet >> is not enough. >> He must eat sugar himself so as to experience sweetness. >> >> And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings >> will not taste death." >> >> Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. >> 2When they find, they will be disturbed. 3When they are disturbed, >> they will marvel, 4and will rule over all." >> >> This verse throws light on the knowledge of Jesus Christ about the >> ultimate reality behind the universe. >> These are the words of a real master, who has discovered the Truth himself. >> The words come from a man of absolute conviction, who does not have to >> think twice about what He is saying. >> Jesus instructs his followers that they should not stop seeking the >> Truth, until they find it. >> He says this because the path to self realisation is narrow and full of >> thorns. >> >> The Isavasya Upanishad says that Truth is hidden by a golden vessel. >> The golden vessel is this objective world, which is a powerful >> distraction for the seeker. >> The seeker is likely to be distracted by this golden vessel that he >> fails to see the Truth covered by it. >> Jesus knows this fact very well. Man is being misguided by his senses >> towards the sense objects, which are just the imagination of the mind. >> >> The world is not real. It is the creation of your mind. >> If you have to know the ultimate reality, you must seek within >> yourself; because there lays the source of this manifested universe. >> It is from your consciousness that the world emerges. >> But your mind is conditioned to think of this world as real. >> It is so much attached to this world, which is its own creation that >> it finds it very difficult to withdraw itself from the world and take >> refuge in your self. >> >> Therefore Jesus says, you should not stop seeking until you find your >> Self, because it is very likely that u get distracted in the middle. >> Withdraw the senses, still your mind, and then you will find it. >> When the mental noise stops your inner Being reveals itself. >> You find the ultimate reality behind the universe. >> >> You will not find the Truth or God, if you seek it in this manifested world. >> Science may attempt to find an ultimate answer about the origin of the >> universe. >> It may do the most expensive of all researches. >> But so long as it searches outside they will never find it; because >> the source lies within. It is our own consciousness. >> >> Jesus goes on to say that `When they find they will be disturbed'. >> When we realise that the world which we were so much attached to was >> nothing more than our own imagination, we will be shaken. >> When we come into contact with reality for the first time we will get a >> shock. >> The Truth which becomes revealed to us on enquiry is the most magnificent >> one. >> >> This marvellous blissful state is nearer to us than anything else, >> because it is our own self. We shall be marvelled by this realisation. >> This state of being whole, complete, perfect is what all the Beings >> aspire to become. >> Yet they don't know the means of attaining this. Every being on earth >> wants to become complete. For that they run after materials objects, >> with the hope that it makes them complete. On attainment of it they >> experience peace. But they don't realise that this peace did not come >> from outside. It is inherent in their Being. On fulfilling the desire, >> by the possession of external objects, the mind retires to its source, >> where it experiences joy and happiness. We are unnecessarily >> projecting our happiness into external objects and then we run after >> those objects. On fulfilling a desire the mind settles down, thereby >> our inherent peace will again become revealed. >> >> Jesus says, `When they are disturbed, they will marvel and will rule >> over all'. When the seeker discovers the inner peace, he shall marvel, >> because he now has the most precious possession in life. Everything >> else will fade in front of its glory. When the inner Self is >> discovered everything else ceases to exist for him, just as how the >> mirage in a desert ceases to exist as a reality in one's mind, on >> realising that it is an illusion. For the ignorant the mirage is real, >> but for the wise, it is just an illusion. Similarly when one realises >> the truth, that the world is just a movement in our own consciousness >> and that it does not have an existence of its own, one shall rule over >> all, because he is no more a slave to the world. He knows that he is >> the creator, sustainer and destroyer of the universe. >> >> read more... >> http://paritrana.blog.co.in/category/religion/jesus/ >> >> "I [Jesus] am in God, and you are in Me, and I am in you." >> John 14:12 >> >> For me it's a dualistic way to explain the unexplainable non-dual >> state which is the nature of God. It's the most available way of >> description of reality that Jesus could give to the Jewish people >> which were in a totally dual state of consciousness. >> >> Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita >> >> I AM THAT I AM >> >> The Kingdom of God is within you. >> >> Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita >> >> Quote >> "If you had known Me (Jesus), you also would have known My Father, and >> from this hour you do know Him and you have seen Him." >> John 14:7 >> >> Jesus confirms that which Advaita teaches. Guru (Jesus) is the full >> manifestation of God (Brahman) as Atman in Him. >> >> Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita >> >> These are of the most profound expressions in Bible and at all. Some >> people argue that the correct translation of "within" is "among" or >> "in the midst of" but oldest Bible sources tanslate it as "within". >> >> I am that I am is the Name of the Lord that He Himself gave to the world. >> >> Quote >> God said to Moses, "I AM WHO (THAT) I AM. This is what you are to say >> to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you'." Exodus 3:14 >> >> Quote >> Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would >> come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your >> careful observation, nor will people say, `Here it is,' or `There it >> is,' because the kingdom of God is withinb you." >> Luke 17:20,21 >> >> >> -- >> Thanks and best regards >> J.Suresh >> New No.3, Old No.7, >> Chamiers road - 1st Lane, >> Alwarpet, >> Chennai - 600018 >> Ph: 044 42030947 >> Mobile: 91 9884071738 >> > > > > > >
