Re: [zfs-discuss] Any HP Servers recommendation for Openindiana (Capacity Server) ?

[Eric D. Mudama]

On Wed, Jan  4 at 13:55, Fajar A. Nugraha wrote:

Were the Dell cards able to present the disks as JBOD without any
third-party-flashing involved?


Yes, the ones I have tested (SAS 6/iR) worked as expected (bare drives
exposed to ZFS) with no changes to drive firmware.  I have not tested
the H200/H700 adapters, since we don't really need 6Gbit/s and are
still ordering our systems with SAS 6/iR.

--eric


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Re: [zfs-discuss] Any HP Servers recommendation for Openindiana (Capacity Server) ?

[Svavar Örn Eysteinsson]

Thanks for your reply and time everyone.

The only reason I asked about HP is that I have good support trough HP 
reseller here in
Iceland. IBM has also a good reseller here too. DELL, not so good and 
Oracle from the

same reseller is hell here in Iceland.

I also have pretty good reseller for SuperMicro that I have bought many 
times before.
I actually have 5 Supermicro servers in production here, and they are 
damn good.


The actual question about HP, and or some other vender was regarding 
say, if a HD disk
would fail, controller and or motherboard, I have a pretty good 
connection(and support) regarding replace'ing them
after few hours. So hardware support would be great, and hardware 
compatibility. Software support is not

what I'm actually looking for.

I'm aware of the RAM regarding ZFS so I would buy RAM heavy server

A closed software solution is not my type of thing.
Firstly, they cost huge money regarding our currency.
Secondly, I have no access (like for Nexenta) into the core of the 
operating system.
I have had great success with OpenIndiana and Napp-IT and using linux in 
our environment.
Thirdly, We do have some limited budget. Time will tell how much, as our 
currency rocks

like a bad jojo. :s


I think a good solution would be :

* 1U/2U Server with large RAM, good XEON's and correct SAS controllers
* Large external storage chassis connected with SAS (6Gbit right ?)


Any recommandations on external chassis ? Supermicro ?


Thanks allot people.

Best regards,

Svavar - Reykjavik - Iceland






Gary Driggs 
4. janúar 2012 07:26

They might use the same chipset but their firmware usually doesn't
support JBOD. Unless they've changed in the last couple of years...
Best you can do is try but if you don't see each drive individually
you'll know it's by design and not lack of skill on your part.

-Gary
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Eric D. Mudama 
4. janúar 2012 06:36


That was what got us with the HP boxes was the unsupported RAID cards.
We ended up getting Dell T610 boxes with SAS6i/R cards, which are
properly supported in Solaris/OI.

Supposedly the H200/H700 cards are just their name for the 6gbit LSI
SAS cards, but I haven't tested them personally.

--eric

Gary Driggs 
3. janúar 2012 16:03
I can't comment on their 4U servers but HP's 1&2U includwd SAS
controllers rarely allow JBOD discovery of drives. So I'd recommend an
LSI card and an external storage chassis like those available from
Promise and others.

-Gary
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Frank Lahm 
3. janúar 2012 15:22

One of them being:


Afaik they're in the process of announing official AFP support (with
Netatalk) soon.

-f
Christopher Hearn 
3. janúar 2012 15:08

I haven't really seen any 100% commercially supported solutions for 
this. If you put this configuration on an HP server & call them to 
report a problem, they're going to most likely deny your request 
because you're using an unsupported OS. You may be able to get away 
with using Solaris 11, but you'll pay for it. I suggest looking at 
NexentaStor & it's partners: http://www.nexenta.com. Talk to them 
about what you want to do, they'd most likely be most receptive of 
"unique" setups. I was able to get AFP working on NexentaStor 
Community edition. I was not able to get it working with Active 
Directory (I'd love advice if anyone has it). If anything, their 
partners would most likely be receptive to supporting the hardware 
configuration itself & the software would be up to you. Better than 
nothing at all.


Chris



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Re: [zfs-discuss] Any HP Servers recommendation for Openindiana (Capacity Server) ?

[Gary Driggs]

On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:36 PM, "Eric D. Mudama" wrote:

> Supposedly the H200/H700 cards are just their name for the 6gbit LSI SAS 
> cards, but I haven't tested them personally.

They might use the same chipset but their firmware usually doesn't
support JBOD. Unless they've changed in the last couple of years...
Best you can do is try but if you don't see each drive individually
you'll know it's by design and not lack of skill on your part.

-Gary
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Re: [zfs-discuss] Any HP Servers recommendation for Openindiana (Capacity Server) ?

[Fajar A. Nugraha]

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Eric D. Mudama
 wrote:
> On Tue, Jan  3 at  8:03, Gary Driggs wrote:
>>
>> I can't comment on their 4U servers but HP's 1&2U includwd SAS
>> controllers rarely allow JBOD discovery of drives. So I'd recommend an
>> LSI card and an external storage chassis like those available from
>> Promise and others.
>
>
> That was what got us with the HP boxes was the unsupported RAID cards.

See also http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.zfs/48231
, Edmund's post in particular.
370-G6  should be able to handle max 14x3TB drives.

> We ended up getting Dell T610 boxes with SAS6i/R cards, which are
> properly supported in Solaris/OI.
>
> Supposedly the H200/H700 cards are just their name for the 6gbit LSI
> SAS cards, but I haven't tested them personally.

Were the Dell cards able to present the disks as JBOD without any
third-party-flashing involved?

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Re: [zfs-discuss] Any HP Servers recommendation for Openindiana (Capacity Server) ?

[Eric D. Mudama]

On Tue, Jan  3 at  8:03, Gary Driggs wrote:

I can't comment on their 4U servers but HP's 1&2U includwd SAS
controllers rarely allow JBOD discovery of drives. So I'd recommend an
LSI card and an external storage chassis like those available from
Promise and others.


That was what got us with the HP boxes was the unsupported RAID cards.
We ended up getting Dell T610 boxes with SAS6i/R cards, which are
properly supported in Solaris/OI.

Supposedly the H200/H700 cards are just their name for the 6gbit LSI
SAS cards, but I haven't tested them personally.

--eric

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Re: [zfs-discuss] Any HP Servers recommendation for Openindiana (Capacity Server) ?

[Gary Driggs]

I can't comment on their 4U servers but HP's 1&2U includwd SAS
controllers rarely allow JBOD discovery of drives. So I'd recommend an
LSI card and an external storage chassis like those available from
Promise and others.

-Gary
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Re: [zfs-discuss] Any HP Servers recommendation for Openindiana (Capacity Server) ?

[Frank Lahm]

2012/1/3 Christopher Hearn :
> On Jan 3, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Svavar Örn Eysteinsson wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> I'm planing to replace my old Apple XRAID, and XSAN Filesystem(1.4.2) Fiber 
>> environment.
>> This setup only hosted a AFP,CIFS for a large advertising agency.
>> Now that Fiber is damn expensive and for one thing, we do not need the fiber 
>> connection
>> as every client connects with IP.
>> So iSCSI, AFP, CIFS should be efficient for us.
>> We have been running this setup since late/early 2006/2007 without problems.
>> No that the hardware/software is warned out and we had pretty damn 
>> catastropic filesystem failure lately.
>>
>> I've been running OpenIndiana on a custom made server with ZFS,CIFS,AFP and 
>> all that
>> for couple of months right now. Really good. This server just acts as a 
>> temporary
>> solution. Currently has 4x 2TB Enterprise SATA disks in RAIDz1 and expanding
>> in few weeks with Supermicro AOC-USAS-L8i and 4-8 more disks.
>> Doing daily snapshots and, yea really love it.
>>
>> Are there any recommendations regarding HP Servers running OpenIndiana to 
>> act as a ZFS
>> Capacity server ?
>>
>> The server should only do :
>> * AFP
>> * CIFS
>> * NFS
>> * iSCSI
>> * and of course ZFS underneath
>>
>> So what I'm looking at is a large capacity server.
>> We need 12-20TB at the start.
>>
>> Any other vendors good ?  any servers that comes out of the box and runs
>> Openindiana 151 with no problems (drivers / hardware ) e.t.c. acting as a 
>> capacity server.
>> And support would be a good option to.
>>
>>
>> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks allot.
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Svavar - Reykjavik - Iceland
>
> I haven't really seen any 100% commercially supported solutions for this.  If 
> you put this configuration on an HP server & call them to report a problem, 
> they're going to most likely deny your request because you're using an 
> unsupported OS.  You may be able to get away with using Solaris 11, but 
> you'll pay for it.  I suggest looking at NexentaStor & it's partners:  
> http://www.nexenta.com.

One of them being:


Afaik they're in the process of announing official AFP support (with
Netatalk) soon.

-f
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Re: [zfs-discuss] Any HP Servers recommendation for Openindiana (Capacity Server) ?

[Christopher Hearn]

On Jan 3, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Svavar Örn Eysteinsson wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> I'm planing to replace my old Apple XRAID, and XSAN Filesystem(1.4.2) Fiber 
> environment.
> This setup only hosted a AFP,CIFS for a large advertising agency.
> Now that Fiber is damn expensive and for one thing, we do not need the fiber 
> connection
> as every client connects with IP.
> So iSCSI, AFP, CIFS should be efficient for us.
> We have been running this setup since late/early 2006/2007 without problems.
> No that the hardware/software is warned out and we had pretty damn 
> catastropic filesystem failure lately.
> 
> I've been running OpenIndiana on a custom made server with ZFS,CIFS,AFP and 
> all that
> for couple of months right now. Really good. This server just acts as a 
> temporary
> solution. Currently has 4x 2TB Enterprise SATA disks in RAIDz1 and expanding
> in few weeks with Supermicro AOC-USAS-L8i and 4-8 more disks.
> Doing daily snapshots and, yea really love it.
> 
> Are there any recommendations regarding HP Servers running OpenIndiana to act 
> as a ZFS
> Capacity server ?
> 
> The server should only do :
> * AFP
> * CIFS
> * NFS
> * iSCSI
> * and of course ZFS underneath
> 
> So what I'm looking at is a large capacity server.
> We need 12-20TB at the start.
> 
> Any other vendors good ?  any servers that comes out of the box and runs
> Openindiana 151 with no problems (drivers / hardware ) e.t.c. acting as a 
> capacity server.
> And support would be a good option to.
> 
> 
> Any help would be much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks allot.
> Best regards,
> 
> Svavar - Reykjavik - Iceland

I haven't really seen any 100% commercially supported solutions for this.  If 
you put this configuration on an HP server & call them to report a problem, 
they're going to most likely deny your request because you're using an 
unsupported OS.  You may be able to get away with using Solaris 11, but you'll 
pay for it.  I suggest looking at NexentaStor & it's partners:  
http://www.nexenta.com.  Talk to them about what you want to do, they'd most 
likely be most receptive of "unique" setups.  I was able to get AFP working on 
NexentaStor Community edition.  I was not able to get it working with Active 
Directory (I'd love advice if anyone has it).  If anything, their partners 
would most likely be receptive to supporting the hardware configuration itself 
& the software would be up to you.  Better than nothing at all.

Chris



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[zfs-discuss] Any HP Servers recommendation for Openindiana (Capacity Server) ?

[Svavar Örn Eysteinsson]

Hello.

I'm planing to replace my old Apple XRAID, and XSAN Filesystem(1.4.2) 
Fiber environment.

This setup only hosted a AFP,CIFS for a large advertising agency.
Now that Fiber is damn expensive and for one thing, we do not need the 
fiber connection

as every client connects with IP.
So iSCSI, AFP, CIFS should be efficient for us.
We have been running this setup since late/early 2006/2007 without 
problems.
No that the hardware/software is warned out and we had pretty damn 
catastropic filesystem failure lately.


I've been running OpenIndiana on a custom made server with ZFS,CIFS,AFP 
and all that
for couple of months right now. Really good. This server just acts as a 
temporary
solution. Currently has 4x 2TB Enterprise SATA disks in RAIDz1 and 
expanding

in few weeks with Supermicro AOC-USAS-L8i and 4-8 more disks.
Doing daily snapshots and, yea really love it.

Are there any recommendations regarding HP Servers running OpenIndiana 
to act as a ZFS

Capacity server ?

The server should only do :
* AFP
* CIFS
* NFS
* iSCSI
* and of course ZFS underneath

So what I'm looking at is a large capacity server.
We need 12-20TB at the start.

Any other vendors good ?  any servers that comes out of the box and runs
Openindiana 151 with no problems (drivers / hardware ) e.t.c. acting as 
a capacity server.

And support would be a good option to.


Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks allot.
Best regards,

Svavar - Reykjavik - Iceland

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