Re: [Zim-wiki] zim task list features

[Gergely K.]

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 6:21 AM, Ural  wrote:

> The main problem it is very hard to rearrange items by priority. I am
> cutting item to clipboard and pasting it elsewhere.
>

You can sort items by priority. Priority means the number of exclamation
marks in the TODOs. For rearrange, others mentioned the linesorter plugin
in 0.66

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Re: [Zim-wiki] another accessibility question

[Vojtěch Polášek]

HI,

could you please point me to a source file where this tree structure is
defined? I would like to send it to people who understand accessibility
more than I do.

Thanks,

Vojta


Dne 27.4.2017 v 16:50 Jaap Karssenberg napsal(a):
> PS deep respect if you are able to navigate the application just by
> hearing. Both myself and my girlfriend tried it out but it is really
> difficult even if you know the application behavior well. 
>
> Which makes me wondering: how do you get started on a new application,
> when you don't know how it works yet. Just trial and error or do you
> have some other help for that? 
>
> Regards, 
>
> Jaap 
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017, 14:16 Jaap Karssenberg
> mailto:jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Vojta,
>
> Just figured out how to enable Orca and gave it a try. I get the
> same behavior as you, so I can test it.
>
> I think something goes wrong because we pack two cellrenders into
> one column object. Only the text of last one is read out if there
> are children.
>
> Not sure how to fix it. Since this is a normal list formatting for
> the Gtk toolkit, I suspect there is an interface to indicate what
> content should be read out. But searching on google, I find very
> limited information for development of accessible applications in
> Gtk / Atk.
>
> Do you happen to know where to find resources or discussion about
> adding accessibility hints to Gtk applications from the developer
> side ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jaap
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:02 PM Vojtěch Polášek  > wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> thank you for fixing previous accessibility problem. However,
> there is
> another problem which was present also in previous stable version.
>
> It happens when I browse through the tree control representing
> index. If
> I focus on a page which has subpages, my screenreader
> announces only
> number of subpages and not a name of the page. If I focus on a
> page
> which has no subpages, the name is announced correctly.
>
> Could you please look into this?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Vojta
>
>
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Re: [Zim-wiki] another accessibility question

[Jaap Karssenberg]

The column with both the name of the page and the number of children is
defined in "zim/gui/pageindex.py" line 339 to 350.

This link points directly to that line in the current version:
https://github.com/jaap-karssenberg/zim-desktop-wiki/blob/022bfef5b6d55c84832d5f95d8e3e0b111f53864/zim/gui/pageindex.py#L339

In these lines two gtk cellrenderers are defined and packed into a single
column. As far as I'm aware this is a normal way to use the gtk column, not
a hack or custom widget.

Regards,

Jaap


On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:09 AM Vojtěch Polášek  wrote:

> HI,
>
> could you please point me to a source file where this tree structure is
> defined? I would like to send it to people who understand accessibility
> more than I do.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Vojta
>
> Dne 27.4.2017 v 16:50 Jaap Karssenberg napsal(a):
>
> PS deep respect if you are able to navigate the application just by
> hearing. Both myself and my girlfriend tried it out but it is really
> difficult even if you know the application behavior well.
>
>
> Which makes me wondering: how do you get started on a new application,
> when you don't know how it works yet. Just trial and error or do you have
> some other help for that?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jaap
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017, 14:16 Jaap Karssenberg 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Vojta,
>>
>> Just figured out how to enable Orca and gave it a try. I get the same
>> behavior as you, so I can test it.
>>
>> I think something goes wrong because we pack two cellrenders into one
>> column object. Only the text of last one is read out if there are children.
>>
>> Not sure how to fix it. Since this is a normal list formatting for the
>> Gtk toolkit, I suspect there is an interface to indicate what content
>> should be read out. But searching on google, I find very limited
>> information for development of accessible applications in Gtk / Atk.
>>
>> Do you happen to know where to find resources or discussion about adding
>> accessibility hints to Gtk applications from the developer side ?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jaap
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:02 PM Vojtěch Polášek 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> thank you for fixing previous accessibility problem. However, there is
>>> another problem which was present also in previous stable version.
>>>
>>> It happens when I browse through the tree control representing index. If
>>> I focus on a page which has subpages, my screenreader announces only
>>> number of subpages and not a name of the page. If I focus on a page
>>> which has no subpages, the name is announced correctly.
>>>
>>> Could you please look into this?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Vojta
>>>
>>>
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[Zim-wiki] Fwd: Re: [orca-list] Fwd: Re: another accessibility question

[Vojtěch Polášek]

Hi,
I forwarded your description to the Orca mailing list and here is answer
from Orca developer. I think that setting that accessible name would be
the easiest way, if it is possible.
Thanks alot,
Vojta
 Přeposlaná zpráva 
Předmět:Re: [orca-list] Fwd: Re: [Zim-wiki] another accessibility
question
Datum:  Mon, 8 May 2017 04:37:48 -0400
Od: Joanmarie Diggs 
Komu:   Vojtěch Polášek 
Kopie:  orca-list 



Hi Vojtěch.

As a general rule, Orca avoids piecing together content in table cells
because the presentation might not come out right. It's early enough in
the release cycle that I'm willing to make a change and we can all see
what, if anything breaks.

That said, visually the "cell" looks to me like a multi-column row. If
the tree had multiple columns, I believe Orca would present the full
row. Alternatively, the developer could set the accessible name on the
parent cell to contain what Orca should present.

--joanie

On 05/08/2017 03:42 AM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> could someone with knowledge of PyGTK accessibility please post his opinion?
> 
> You can see behavior of this widget in Latest Zim.
> 
> Thank you very much,
> 
> Vojta
> 
> 
> 
>  Přeposlaná zpráva 
> Předmět:  Re: [Zim-wiki] another accessibility question
> Datum:Mon, 08 May 2017 07:18:44 +
> Od:   Jaap Karssenberg 
> Komu: Vojtěch Polášek , 
> zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net
> 
> 
> 
> The column with both the name of the page and the number of children is
> defined in "zim/gui/pageindex.py" line 339 to 350.
> 
> This link points directly to that line in the current
> version: 
> https://github.com/jaap-karssenberg/zim-desktop-wiki/blob/022bfef5b6d55c84832d5f95d8e3e0b111f53864/zim/gui/pageindex.py#L339
> 
> In these lines two gtk cellrenderers are defined and packed into a
> single column. As far as I'm aware this is a normal way to use the gtk
> column, not a hack or custom widget.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jaap
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:09 AM Vojtěch Polášek  > wrote:
> 
> HI,
> 
> could you please point me to a source file where this tree structure
> is defined? I would like to send it to people who understand
> accessibility more than I do.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Vojta
> 
> 
> Dne 27.4.2017 v 16:50 Jaap Karssenberg napsal(a):
>> PS deep respect if you are able to navigate the application just
>> by hearing. Both myself and my girlfriend tried it out but it is
>> really difficult even if you know the application behavior well.  
>>
>> Which makes me wondering: how do you get started on a new
>> application, when you don't know how it works yet. Just trial and
>> error or do you have some other help for that? 
>>
>> Regards, 
>>
>> Jaap 
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017, 14:16 Jaap Karssenberg
>> mailto:jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Vojta,
>>
>> Just figured out how to enable Orca and gave it a try. I get
>> the same behavior as you, so I can test it.
>>
>> I think something goes wrong because we pack two cellrenders
>> into one column object. Only the text of last one is read out
>> if there are children.
>>
>> Not sure how to fix it. Since this is a normal list formatting
>> for the Gtk toolkit, I suspect there is an interface to
>> indicate what content should be read out. But searching on
>> google, I find very limited information for development of
>> accessible applications in Gtk / Atk.
>>
>> Do you happen to know where to find resources or discussion
>> about adding accessibility hints to Gtk applications from the
>> developer side ?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jaap
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:02 PM Vojtěch Polášek
>> mailto:krec...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> thank you for fixing previous accessibility problem.
>> However, there is
>> another problem which was present also in previous stable
>> version.
>>
>> It happens when I browse through the tree control
>> representing index. If
>> I focus on a page which has subpages, my screenreader
>> announces only
>> number of subpages and not a name of the page. If I focus
>> on a page
>> which has no subpages, the name is announced correctly.
>>
>> Could you please look into this?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Vojta
>>
>>
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Re: [Zim-wiki] Issues with zim release 0.66

[Joseph Reagle]

Is this source downloadable as a zip?

On 5/8/17 2:38 AM, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
> Just updated the PPA with a version "0.67~rc1", so release candidate for the 
> next version. This release candidate should fix two critical issues and a set 
> of smaller issues, more patches are still in the queue.

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Re: [Zim-wiki] Issues with zim release 0.66

[Jaap Karssenberg]

Yes, github offers zip per release tag:
https://github.com/jaap-karssenberg/zim-desktop-wiki/releases

Regards,

Jaap

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 2:02 PM Joseph Reagle  wrote:

> Is this source downloadable as a zip?
>
> On 5/8/17 2:38 AM, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
> > Just updated the PPA with a version "0.67~rc1", so release candidate for
> the next version. This release candidate should fix two critical issues and
> a set of smaller issues, more patches are still in the queue.
>
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Re: [Zim-wiki] Issues with zim release 0.66

[Jaap Karssenberg]

Yes, I'll bump the version for final release.

-- Jaap

On Mon, May 8, 2017, 14:16 Joseph Reagle  wrote:

> On 5/8/17 8:07 AM, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
> > Yes, github offers zip per release tag:
> https://github.com/jaap-karssenberg/zim-desktop-wiki/releases
>
> It looks like Help/About Zim still reports it is 0.66...?
>
>
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Re: [Zim-wiki] Issues with zim release 0.66

[Joseph Reagle]

On 5/8/17 8:07 AM, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
> Yes, github offers zip per release tag: 
> https://github.com/jaap-karssenberg/zim-desktop-wiki/releases

It looks like Help/About Zim still reports it is 0.66...?


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[Zim-wiki] 0.66 or 0.67 release candidate

[Loren Rosen]

Just now got an update via Ubuntu's software updater. Zim help -> about says 
it's still version 0.66, but I wonder if it's really the 0.67 release 
candidate. Any easy way to tell? Might be just as well to run the latter, since 
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[Zim-wiki] Sticky "Only Show Active Tasks"?

[Joseph Reagle]

I've come to really like the before/after specification and don't miss "next:".

But is it possible that "Only Show Active Tasks" be sticky, across a single 
program instantiation or even multiple?

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Re: [Zim-wiki] Zim Desktop Wiki 0.66 for Windows is ready to download

[Marcio Tibirica]

Brendan,


I downloaded the installer file of desktop version and tested it for 
virus infection in two different ways.


The first test was a local scan using Windows Defender that is installed 
in my machine (Win10 32-bit).  The second test was an on-line scan with 
Kaspersky VirusDesk.


In both scans no trace of infection was found, but if I try to run the 
installer it is blocked by Windows Defender which informs the following:

Application: ZimDesktopWikiPortable_0.66.paf.exe
Supplier: Unknown Supplier

Maybe it is just a case of registering the software supplier in MS 
database? Or, maybe some information that must be embedded in the 
package? I don't know how this work.


Anyway, I have sent the suspicious installer file to the Kaspersky virus 
lab and they probably will be able to find any "harmful code", if any.


I'll keep you informed in case they send me an answer.

By the way, who is going to take over Windows package creation for next 
Zim release?


Regards,

mtibbi
===

Em 08/05/2017 00:47, Brendan Kidwell escreveu:

VirusTotal.com reports non-zero "probably harmless" scores for many of
the dependencies of my Windows build process, even though I'm almost
certain the sources of those dependencies are not tainted.
VirusTotal.com reports that (as of today) Baidu and Bkav virus scanners
find "harmful" code in these Zim installer. Other than abandoning all of
my tools, I do not know how to move forward with this problem.

Starting with this release I am no longer signing the installer
packages, and while I believe they are free of harmful code, I can't
promise that I am correct. You must make your own determination about
whether you should use my packages or not.

Special thanks to Stephen Dintaman for assistance with this build cycle.

I have posted the Desktop and Portable installer packages, such as they
are, on http://www.glump.net/software/zim-windows .

The packages were built on a fresh Windows 7 64-bit virtual machine, and
they should work on any 32-bit or 64-bit version of Windows that is
still supported by Microsoft.

Brendan Kidwell



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[Zim-wiki] sort subpages manually

[Ural]

Hello.
Is it possible to sort/rearrange subpages manually, not by alphabetical
order? When I try to move them with mouse, the line under element
appears like it is going to move, but when I release mouse button it
stays on same place.

Thanks

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