RE: [ZION] The Passion
John: Thanks for sharing your assessment. I think it would make me want to give up religion as well. But others disagree. I just heard opening weekend was the biggest of all time: $150 Million-plus in gross receipts over two days. Perhaps he'll donate so much money to the Catholic Church it will be able to keep all those priests from going jail. RBS -Original Message- From: John A. English, n/OEF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] The Passion Ron, I went expecting to be encouraged in my faith. What I saw was horribly graphic and really not much else. There were some scenes that relieved the pain but overall not enough. The film in being about the passion, death and resurrection of Christ was not very balanced. There was not much time spent speaking to the resurrection and a lot of time spent beating up in Christ. Also, it seems to me that the emphasis was very much on the evil Jewish leaders and at the same time showing Pilate(the real villain in my eyes) as a thoughtful Roman who cared about his subjects. Then Pilate and Jesus began speaking Latin whereas most likely Jesus did not know Latin, and Pilate probably did not know Aramaic, which they had him speaking to the Jewish leaders. I left the movie wanting to give up on all religion. In a positive vein, it did get my attention, and I've spent days focusing on Christ and his suffering and his gift, almost without thinking about other things. I think this is positive. Peace and all good, John A.E., n/OEF The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed. --Einstein (1879-1955) -Original Message- From: RB Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] The Passion John: When you get a moment, I'd love to read your impressions as, based upon several reviews, this is not likely to be a movie I'll see. Ron -Original Message- From: John A. English, n/OEF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] The Passion I saw it and it is to me worse than R rated. I wish I had not gone. Peace and all good, John A.E., n/OEF The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed. --Einstein (1879-1955) -Original Message- From: Jonathan Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] The Passion FWIW: My mom saw it...which surprised me. She's usually about as straight laced as they come and she said it was amazing. I asked her if she felt bad about having seen it, an R rated movie, and she said no. Just a little more info for everyone to consider I guess. -- Jonathan Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^- --- This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://lists.topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.b3Qb0T.am9obmFl Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^- --- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^- --- This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://lists.topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.b6Vyfk.cmJzY290 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^- - -- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^- --- This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://lists.topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.b3Qb0T.am9obmFl Or
RE: [ZION] Defend Marriage Petition, more information
-Original Message- From: Rusty Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Defend Marriage Petition, more information Dear Zionistas this article, while supplying no really new information, certainly confirms my previous suspicions regarding the printed media in our country. while this does not necessarily indicate a media conspiracy, I would say it indicates they at least think alike on this particular topic. http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/040301press.html Last week two long-anticipated studies were released on the sexual abuse scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church, and it is hard to believe that the reporters from the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, and the Washington Times were at the same press conference, because they certainly didnt get the same story. By Maurine Jensen Proctor Bob: Thanks for the heads-up on the story. A somewhat different perspective is embodied in the letter below, which I have sent to Sister Proctor. Hello: Maureen Jensen Proctor's misbegotten diatribe (What The Press Won't Say) against the alleged liberal and politically correct news media extends the ignoble tradition of shooting the messenger. She asserts that The New York Times' and Washington Post's coverage of the release last week of the report of pedophile priests in the Catholic Church is illustrative of a general hidden media agenda to downplay or ignore the fact that the homosexuality of priests may be linked to the devastating and chronic abuse of children that has plagued the Catholic Church for the past half century. Had Sister Proctor been following this matter from its inception two years ago, she would know that it was the so called liberal news media that dug up and put together the detailed history of those sordid crimes. She would have known that the homosexual connection has been raised regularly by politically correct news media on the East Coast, led by the Boston Globe (owned by the New York Times) and its sister newspaper in Manhattan. Further, had Sister Proctor done a little research, she would know that Robert S. Bennett, the celebrated Washington lawyer who directed the National Review Board's preparation of the report, said that neither homosexual priests nor celibacy were root causes of the clergy sexual abuse crisis. But an understanding of the crisis is not possible without reference to these issues. Such was reported on the front page of The Boston Globe. The lead paragraph in the Globe story reveals that the report is raising questions about what role homosexuality played in the crisis and whether the Catholic Church will try to limit or prevent gay men from joining the priesthood. The deck headline above the story, as well as the opening sentence of the story underscore a possible homosexual connection. The headline read: More than 80 percent of victims since 1950 were male, report says. Moreover Sister Proctor ignores (conveniently?) Mr. Bennett's comments (as reported by The Globe on the front page) that there were two overarching contributing factors to why so many priests abused minors: Dioceses and orders did not screen candidates for the priesthood properly, allowing many sexually **dysfunctional** and **immature** men into seminaries; and seminaries did not adequately prepare students for the priesthood, particularly for the challenge of remaining celibate. The news media is properly sensitive to the peculiar issues of any number of minority groups in the United States -- Mormons included. These are touchy times. What we need is more thoughtful and thorough reporting on the complex issues confronting our nation. What we don't need are more convenient bogeymen to blame for our problems. What we desperately need are more reporters who reign-in their personal agendas, do their homework and get their facts straight. I expect nothing less from a fellow Pratt descendant, especially one trained at the University of Utah and Harvard. Ronald B. Scott Boston, Massachusetts Mr. Scott, a media consultant and author in Boston, was a reporter for Time, an editor for Life and a founder of People Magazine. He also was also a senior editor and columnist for The Deseret News and a reporter for The Salt Lake Tribune and United Press International. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html
RE: [ZION] Orson Scott Card on Iraq
How about to defend an ally (Kuwait)? Also, how about to defend our oil interests? Those are two very important reasons to go into Iraq the first time, as well as the second time. What would the economy of the USA been like over the past 10 years if Saddam had control of the oil fields in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia? He would have jacked the price up, forcing us into $3/gallon a decade ago. As it is, most of us grouse at paying above $1.50/gal right now. It would have stifled our economy, and enriched someone known to slaughter his enemies (foreign and domestic) WITH WMDs, and also spends money on many terrorist groups. I think we were well within reason to defend and ally and also our national security in both efforts. Gary John W. Redelfs wrote: Jim Cobabe wrote: John, what say you about this OSC editorial on Bush and Iraq? http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-01-25-1.html Orson Scott Card says that the war in Iraq is justified as an extension of the first Gulf War even if there were no weapons of mass destruction. I say that the first Gulf War was not justified because it was not on our own soil. I don't believe in invading foreign countries on a pretext. --JWR Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] The Passion
Now there's a real cynical thing to say about a practicing Catholic! Tying him in with the sleaze bags, joking or not, is not funny at all. Gibson did the film as an expression of faith, whether we like it or not. The filthy priests did their evil deeds as an expression of evil. I'm certain Mel wants wicked priests in jail as much as the rest of us. He would want his religion and faith purified, so that it could serve the Christ well. Wouldn't we want to do the same if we found out that a bunch of Mormons were involved in some sleazy crime? I doubt we'd joke about the Osmonds bailing out child molesters in our Scouting program, eh? It isn't funny at all. Rather, it is morbid to suggest anything like that, even in jest, and is a slam on an individual's personal convictions. Gary Smith Ron Scott wrote: John: Thanks for sharing your assessment. I think it would make me want to give up religion as well. But others disagree. I just heard opening weekend was the biggest of all time: $150 Million-plus in gross receipts over two days. Perhaps he'll donate so much money to the Catholic Church it will be able to keep all those priests from going jail. RBS -Original Message- From: John A. English, n/OEF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] The Passion Ron, I went expecting to be encouraged in my faith. What I saw was horribly graphic and really not much else. There were some scenes that relieved the pain but overall not enough. The film in being about the passion, death and resurrection of Christ was not very balanced. There was not much time spent speaking to the resurrection and a lot of time spent beating up in Christ. Also, it seems to me that the emphasis was very much on the evil Jewish leaders and at the same time showing Pilate(the real villain in my eyes) as a thoughtful Roman who cared about his subjects. Then Pilate and Jesus began speaking Latin whereas most likely Jesus did not know Latin, and Pilate probably did not know Aramaic, which they had him speaking to the Jewish leaders. I left the movie wanting to give up on all religion. In a positive vein, it did get my attention, and I've spent days focusing on Christ and his suffering and his gift, almost without thinking about other things. I think this is positive. Peace and all good, John A.E., n/OEF The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed. --Einstein (1879-1955) -Original Message- From: RB Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] The Passion John: When you get a moment, I'd love to read your impressions as, based upon several reviews, this is not likely to be a movie I'll see. Ron -Original Message- From: John A. English, n/OEF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] The Passion I saw it and it is to me worse than R rated. I wish I had not gone. Peace and all good, John A.E., n/OEF The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed. --Einstein (1879-1955) -Original Message- From: Jonathan Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] The Passion FWIW: My mom saw it...which surprised me. She's usually about as straight laced as they come and she said it was amazing. I asked her if she felt bad about having seen it, an R rated movie, and she said no. Just a little more info for everyone to consider I guess. -- Jonathan Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^- --- This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://lists.topica.com/help/unsub.html.am9obmFl Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^- --- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///
RE: [ZION]
At 10:04 AM 3/2/2004, you wrote: Steven Montgomery wrote: --- Excerpted from http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=viewid=954 --- Interesting reading. What do you know about this Congress critter? Is he reputed to be mentally stable? (In normal times, such a question might be a token of disrespect. These days, it pays to be careful. ;-) I don't know anything about Bill Wood. When investigating an issue Congress frequently solicits testimony from various experts. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Explore Freedom: http://www.geocities.com/graymada // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Orson Scott Card on Iraq
Gerald Smith wrote: How about to defend an ally (Kuwait)? Also, how about to defend our oil interests? Those are two very important reasons to go into Iraq the first time, as well as the second time. Kuwait was not an ally. It was a client state that western oil money set up in the first place. And we have plenty of oil here at home for our legitimate needs. What would the economy of the USA been like over the past 10 years if Saddam had control of the oil fields in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia? He would have jacked the price up, forcing us into $3/gallon a decade ago. As it is, most of us grouse at paying above $1.50/gal right now. It would have stifled our economy, and enriched someone known to slaughter his enemies (foreign and domestic) WITH WMDs, and also spends money on many terrorist groups. $3/gallon is better than being dependent on imported oil. The only reason we are dependent on middle east oil is because we have become addicted to the cheap oil. I think we were well within reason to defend and ally and also our national security in both efforts. I guess we just have different priorities. I don't think it is OK to kill people to enjoy a little bit better standard of living when we already have one of the highest standards of living in the world. John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] = The traditional family is under heavy attack. I do not know that things were worse in the times of Sodom and Gomorrah. -- President Gordon B. Hinckley, 2004. = All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] The Passion
Gary: Who said it was funny? Why do you think contributions to the Catholic Church dropped after the scandal broke? Because Catholics did not want to contribute to the anticipated huge financial settlement, and they were furious that the leadership of the church stonewalled and lied and is continuing to do so. Stay tuned, because the scandal has spilled into the Springfield, Massachusetts diocese and first reports say the this one will be as bad or worse that the one in the Boston Diocese. To make matters worse, the Bishop of the diocese -- the one who was supposed to supervise the priests and deal with misconduct charges -- is one of the accused pedophiles. He stepped down last week. If the same thing went on in the Mormon Church -- if the apostles of the church stonewalled the law and getting to the bottom of the case -- I'd be the first one to start cracking jokes. As for Mel Gibson: I realize he's devout. I respect him for his faith, especially in light of all the evil doing by his church. Ron Scott -Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 3:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] The Passion Now there's a real cynical thing to say about a practicing Catholic! Tying him in with the sleaze bags, joking or not, is not funny at all. Gibson did the film as an expression of faith, whether we like it or not. The filthy priests did their evil deeds as an expression of evil. I'm certain Mel wants wicked priests in jail as much as the rest of us. He would want his religion and faith purified, so that it could serve the Christ well. Wouldn't we want to do the same if we found out that a bunch of Mormons were involved in some sleazy crime? I doubt we'd joke about the Osmonds bailing out child molesters in our Scouting program, eh? It isn't funny at all. Rather, it is morbid to suggest anything like that, even in jest, and is a slam on an individual's personal convictions. Gary Smith Ron Scott wrote: John: Thanks for sharing your assessment. I think it would make me want to give up religion as well. But others disagree. I just heard opening weekend was the biggest of all time: $150 Million-plus in gross receipts over two days. Perhaps he'll donate so much money to the Catholic Church it will be able to keep all those priests from going jail. RBS -Original Message- From: John A. English, n/OEF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] The Passion Ron, I went expecting to be encouraged in my faith. What I saw was horribly graphic and really not much else. There were some scenes that relieved the pain but overall not enough. The film in being about the passion, death and resurrection of Christ was not very balanced. There was not much time spent speaking to the resurrection and a lot of time spent beating up in Christ. Also, it seems to me that the emphasis was very much on the evil Jewish leaders and at the same time showing Pilate(the real villain in my eyes) as a thoughtful Roman who cared about his subjects. Then Pilate and Jesus began speaking Latin whereas most likely Jesus did not know Latin, and Pilate probably did not know Aramaic, which they had him speaking to the Jewish leaders. I left the movie wanting to give up on all religion. In a positive vein, it did get my attention, and I've spent days focusing on Christ and his suffering and his gift, almost without thinking about other things. I think this is positive. Peace and all good, John A.E., n/OEF The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed. --Einstein (1879-1955) -Original Message- From: RB Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] The Passion John: When you get a moment, I'd love to read your impressions as, based upon several reviews, this is not likely to be a movie I'll see. Ron -Original Message- From: John A. English, n/OEF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] The Passion I saw it and it is to me worse than R rated. I wish I had not gone. Peace and all good, John A.E., n/OEF The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed. --Einstein (1879-1955) -Original Message- From: Jonathan Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:
RE: [ZION] Orson Scott Card on Iraq
Let's see... In my neighborhood there is a little grocery store. We use it everyday for our necessities. The owner is nice enough. The employees are nice enough. We get along. The prices are acceptable. One day, I see a group of club wielding thugs walk towards the store with the intent of killing the owner and taking over the store. I personally have the sneaking suspicion that if the thugs take over, my prices will raise, not to mention the fact that the thugs are thugs, and if they own the store, their thuggery will probably simply escalate now that it has a better means of financing itself. Also, I never hated the original store owners. We got along. They were acceptable neighbors. So, the big question is whether or not me and my friends and our AK-47s feel like stepping in and confronting the club wielding thugs. Personally, I would hope that I would step in...especially when you consider that once the thugs are better financed, they probably will also buy AK-47s and stopping them will become much more difficult. I'm glad Saddam is gone. I have only praise for both Bush and Bush Sr. in this regard. How about to defend an ally (Kuwait)? Also, how about to defend our oil interests? Those are two very important reasons to go into Iraq the first time, as well as the second time. What would the economy of the USA been like over the past 10 years if Saddam had control of the oil fields in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia? He would have jacked the price up, forcing us into $3/gallon a decade ago. As it is, most of us grouse at paying above $1.50/gal right now. It would have stifled our economy, and enriched someone known to slaughter his enemies (foreign and domestic) WITH WMDs, and also spends money on many terrorist groups. I think we were well within reason to defend and ally and also our national security in both efforts. Gary John W. Redelfs wrote: Jim Cobabe wrote: John, what say you about this OSC editorial on Bush and Iraq? http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-01-25-1.html Orson Scott Card says that the war in Iraq is justified as an extension of the first Gulf War even if there were no weapons of mass destruction. I say that the first Gulf War was not justified because it was not on our own soil. I don't believe in invading foreign countries on a pretext. --JWR Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Jonathan Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] The Passion
Ron, I doubt he will donate to the Roman Catholic Church, he's a member of another splinter church whose belief is in the old RC beliefs. He still attends Mass in Latin. Maybe that's why he had Jesus and Pilate speaking in Latin. Peace and all good, John A.E., n/OEF The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed. --Einstein (1879-1955) -Original Message- From: RB Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] The Passion John: Thanks for sharing your assessment. I think it would make me want to give up religion as well. But others disagree. I just heard opening weekend was the biggest of all time: $150 Million-plus in gross receipts over two days. Perhaps he'll donate so much money to the Catholic Church it will be able to keep all those priests from going jail. RBS -Original Message- From: John A. English, n/OEF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] The Passion Ron, I went expecting to be encouraged in my faith. What I saw was horribly graphic and really not much else. There were some scenes that relieved the pain but overall not enough. The film in being about the passion, death and resurrection of Christ was not very balanced. There was not much time spent speaking to the resurrection and a lot of time spent beating up in Christ. Also, it seems to me that the emphasis was very much on the evil Jewish leaders and at the same time showing Pilate(the real villain in my eyes) as a thoughtful Roman who cared about his subjects. Then Pilate and Jesus began speaking Latin whereas most likely Jesus did not know Latin, and Pilate probably did not know Aramaic, which they had him speaking to the Jewish leaders. I left the movie wanting to give up on all religion. In a positive vein, it did get my attention, and I've spent days focusing on Christ and his suffering and his gift, almost without thinking about other things. I think this is positive. Peace and all good, John A.E., n/OEF The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed. --Einstein (1879-1955) -Original Message- From: RB Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] The Passion John: When you get a moment, I'd love to read your impressions as, based upon several reviews, this is not likely to be a movie I'll see. Ron -Original Message- From: John A. English, n/OEF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] The Passion I saw it and it is to me worse than R rated. I wish I had not gone. Peace and all good, John A.E., n/OEF The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed. --Einstein (1879-1955) -Original Message- From: Jonathan Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] The Passion FWIW: My mom saw it...which surprised me. She's usually about as straight laced as they come and she said it was amazing. I asked her if she felt bad about having seen it, an R rated movie, and she said no. Just a little more info for everyone to consider I guess. -- Jonathan Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^- --- This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://lists.topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.b3Qb0T.am9obmFl Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^- --- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^- --- This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here:
