[ZION] Vote Now!
Same-sex marriage will become legal in all or most of the United States over the next five years. A. Certainly B. Likely C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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Mankind will establish permanent space colonies by the end of the century. A. Certainly B. Likely C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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Gays and lesbians should stay in the closet. A. Strongly agree B. Agree C. Undecided D. Disagree E. Strongly Disagree // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] Vote Now!
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 19, 2004 1:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Vote Now! The USA and her allies will successfully establish democratic rule in Iraq. A. Certainly B. Probably C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not E. Certainly not. Democratic rule is a privilege that must be earned. The people of Iraq cannot have it given to them or established for them any more than I can give someone else my own character or discipline. All the USA can do is try to improve the circumstances for the growth of democracy. In most cases those interventions seem to about as successful as premature efforts interventions to help a chick hatch. Tom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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A. Certainly. However, the question will be how long it lasts. Once we start concentrating on other areas, will the Iraqis keep it? I mean, look at what the French and Germans have done with their freedom since we ended the Cold War and didn't concentrate on them as much. Gary Smith John W. Redelfs wrote: The USA and her allies will successfully establish democratic rule in Iraq. A. Certainly B. Probably C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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E. Strongly Disagree. How else are we going to know which ones are the tares, if they hide amongst the wheat??? There's gonna be a big bonfire, and I'm hoping to watch it, not get burned mistakenly because we can't tell the firewood from the cabinetry in the house of God. Gary Smith John W. Redelfs wrote: Gays and lesbians should stay in the closet. A. Strongly agree B. Agree C. Undecided D. Disagree E. Strongly Disagree Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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Presidente Tomas, So, are you saying that instead of trying to help them democratize, we should have just turned Afghanistan and Iraq into seas of glass, to get the radical terrorists out of our hair? Gary Smith Tom Matkin wrote: -Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 19, 2004 1:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Vote Now! The USA and her allies will successfully establish democratic rule in Iraq. A. Certainly B. Probably C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not E. Certainly not. Democratic rule is a privilege that must be earned. The people of Iraq cannot have it given to them or established for them any more than I can give someone else my own character or discipline. All the USA can do is try to improve the circumstances for the growth of democracy. In most cases those interventions seem to about as successful as premature efforts interventions to help a chick hatch. Tom Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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Tom Matkin wrote: The USA and her allies will successfully establish democratic rule in Iraq. A. Certainly B. Probably C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not E. Certainly not. Democratic rule is a privilege that must be earned. The people of Iraq cannot have it given to them or established for them any more than I can give someone else my own character or discipline. All the USA can do is try to improve the circumstances for the growth of democracy. In most cases those interventions seem to about as successful as premature efforts interventions to help a chick hatch. I strongly agree with you, Tom. Freedom, and the western democratic traditions that establish and maintain freedom are a cultural phenomenon, not something that can be imposed from above. The roots of freedom in the west go back in the English speaking cultures to medieval Britain. That is why we have democracy in the USA, Canada, Australia, and a few other places. That is also why democracy is so tentative on the European continent, and almost nonexistent in non western nations. Democracy is a mind set that is engendered in families that understand and value fundamental, God-given human rights. Those families are almost all English speaking. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I know of nothing in the history of the Church or in the history of the world to compare with our present circumstances. Nothing happened in Sodom and Gomorrah which exceeds the wickedness and depravity which surrounds us now. --President Boyd K. Packer, February 28, 2004 === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
[ZION] Musical Instruments Survey
How many of you play a musical instrument? How well do you play? I'm curious about the musical makeup of the Zion list. John W. Redelfs sings well, plays the piano fairly, and the violin poorly. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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-Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 19, 2004 2:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Vote Now! Presidente Tomas, So, are you saying that instead of trying to help them democratize, we should have just turned Afghanistan and Iraq into seas of glass, to get the radical terrorists out of our hair? Gary Smith Good heavens, what are you talking about? Tom Tom Matkin wrote: -Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 19, 2004 1:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Vote Now! The USA and her allies will successfully establish democratic rule in Iraq. A. Certainly B. Probably C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not E. Certainly not. Democratic rule is a privilege that must be earned. The people of Iraq cannot have it given to them or established for them any more than I can give someone else my own character or discipline. All the USA can do is try to improve the circumstances for the growth of democracy. In most cases those interventions seem to about as successful as premature efforts interventions to help a chick hatch. Tom Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// // /// // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Vote Now!
Same-sex marriage will become legal in all or most of the United States over the next five years. A. Certainly B. Likely C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not B. Likely -- Jonathan Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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The USA and her allies will successfully establish democratic rule in Iraq. A. Certainly B. Probably C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not If Bush gets a second term...then, B. Probably. If Bush doesn't, then, D. Unlikely, and all the while the dems will blame Bush for it. -- Jonathan Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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Mankind will establish permanent space colonies by the end of the century. A. Certainly B. Likely C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not D. Unlikely -- Jonathan Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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Gays and lesbians should stay in the closet. A. Strongly agree B. Agree C. Undecided D. Disagree E. Strongly Disagree You need one more option. F. I don't care. The closest to it is C. Undecided I guess. -- Jonathan Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] My Five Favorite Fantasies
What will the future bring? These are my five favorite fantasies: 1. Affordable, effective and safe treatment for clinical depression. 2. Affordable, effective and safe treatment for obesity. 3. Hearing aid-like personal computers with voice recognition and always on wireless access to the Internet. 4. Practical generation of power by fusion. 5. Affordable, safe vacations in space. What will the future bring? Angst. War. Death. The Savior. And then more of the beautiful stuff that you mentioned above than we could ever imagine. The meek shall inherit the earth. -- Jonathan Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] Musical Instruments Survey
Sing, French Horn very to pretty well. Piano, somewhat. And, everyone else here sings and plays (violin and piano) very well. Ron -Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 4:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Musical Instruments Survey How many of you play a musical instrument? How well do you play? I'm curious about the musical makeup of the Zion list. John W. Redelfs sings well, plays the piano fairly, and the violin poorly. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] My Five Favorite Fantasies
-Original Message- From: Jonathan Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 19, 2004 3:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] My Five Favorite Fantasies What will the future bring? I believe that my future will be glorious and wonderful. Much like my past has been. But I can't really explain it as well as C.S. Lewis, so I'll just quote him here: 'Son,' he said, 'ye cannot in your present state understand eternity: when Anodos looked through the door of the Timeless he brought no message back. But ye can get some likeness of it if ye say that both good and evil, when they are full grown, become retrospective. Not only this valley but all their earthly past will have been Heaven to those who are saved. Not only the twilight in that town, but all their life on Earth too, will then be seen by the damned to have been Hell. That is what mortals misunderstand. They say of some temporal suffering, No future bliss can make up for it, not knowing that Heaven, once attained, will work backwards and turn even that agony into a glory. And of some sinful pleasure they say Let me have but this and I'll take the consequences: little dreaming how damnation will spread back and back into their past and contaminate the pleasure of the sin. Both processes begin even before death. The good man's past begins to change so that his forgiven sins and remembered sorrows take on the quality of Heaven: the bad man's past already conforms to his badness and is filled only with dreariness. And that is why, at the end of all things, when the sun rises here and the twilight turns to blackness down there, the Blessed will say We have never lived anywhere except in Heaven, and the Lost, We were always in Hell. And both will speak truly.' --C.S. Lewis, The Great Divorce, p. 69. I choose to always live in heaven. Tom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] Musical Instruments Survey
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 19, 2004 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Musical Instruments Survey How many of you play a musical instrument? How well do you play? I'm curious about the musical makeup of the Zion list. John W. Redelfs sings well, plays the piano fairly, and the violin poorly. I sing a bit. Bass in my quartet, and I sometimes have to handle the tenor when that guy doesn't show up but it's scary when I do. I used to play the flute and even blew the saxophone a time or two in a dance band that I played with. I love to beat on my guitar, but I have peripheral neuropathy in my hands and arm and I can't do it for long or without suffering the consequences. I was never any good at it. I love the harmonica, straight and blues. I'm not good but that doesn't stop me and with the blues harp who really knows the difference? I think they should throw away all those recorders in schools and teach the harmonica. Doesn't the USA have about a million people in jail at any one time? They could all be enjoying themselves playing the harmonica if they had been taught in grade school. Do you ever hear anyone on death row playing the recorder? Tom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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John W. Redelfs wrote: Same-sex marriage will become legal in all or most of the United States over the next five years. A. Certainly B. Likely C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not Grampa Sez: C. Maybe Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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John W. Redelfs wrote: Mankind will establish permanent space colonies by the end of the century. A. Certainly B. Likely C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not Grampa opines: B. Likely We've got 96 years on this. Look where we were 96 years ago. Now, if the second coming occurs in the interim, all bets are off. I'm not even sure we have an inkling on the makeup of deep space given the scriptural references to rolling up the heavens like a scroll. -- Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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So many posts with the same title confused either my isp or the giant gerbil who sorts through e-mail before it's sent to its proper destination. Either way, I didn't receive the original post referenced below, so I'll answer it in a third-party fashion by answering Jonathan's answer, sort of. E. Certainly not. There is/are no longer a/any United States. Disunity is the order of the day. *jeep! ---Chet If ya thinks ya is right, ya deserfs credit - even if ya is wrong. --Gus Segar via Popeye - Original Message - From: Jonathan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Vote Now! Same-sex marriage will become legal in all or most of the United States over the next five years. A. Certainly B. Likely C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not B. Likely -- Jonathan Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] Musical Instruments Survey
I'm an organist and pianist. Harold Stuart On Mar 19, 2004, at 1:36 PM, John W. Redelfs wrote: How many of you play a musical instrument? How well do you play? I'm curious about the musical makeup of the Zion list. John W. Redelfs sings well, plays the piano fairly, and the violin poorly. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// // /// // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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At 01:54 PM 3/19/2004, you wrote: Same-sex marriage will become legal in all or most of the United States over the next five years. A. Certainly B. Likely C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not If the United States doesn't withdraw from the United Nations we will. If not in five years then perhaps ten or fifteen. http://www.ldsmag.com/familywatch/040319newsletter.html I disagree with Sharon Slater, the author of the above article and President of United Families International, that pro-family activism within the UN will work. A better choice, in my opinion, is to totally withdraw from the UN. -- Steven Montgomery html a href=http://www.stoptheftaa.org/?af=linktous3; img border=0 src=http://www.stoptheftaa.org/_images/linktous/sftaalogosmall.jpg; width=406 height=100/a /html http://www.stoptheftaa.org // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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At 01:57 PM 3/19/2004, you wrote: Mankind will establish permanent space colonies by the end of the century. A. Certainly B. Likely C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not We pretty much have a semi-permanent presence in space now--with the ISS. An actual colony, on the other hand, is far more difficult. I doubt it. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Moral Anarchy is the seedbed of Tyranny--R. W. (Bob) Lee // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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At 02:02 PM 3/19/2004, you wrote: Gays and lesbians should stay in the closet. A. Strongly agree B. Agree C. Undecided D. Disagree E. Strongly Disagree If the laws were strictly enforced, as they were in the days of the people of Nephi, they would have to stay in the closet--to avoid the penalty of the law. -- Steven Montgomery . . . the laws of the land were exceedingly strict--Jarom 1:5 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
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Why does our membership in the UN have anything to do with it? -Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Vote Now! At 01:54 PM 3/19/2004, you wrote: Same-sex marriage will become legal in all or most of the United States over the next five years. A. Certainly B. Likely C. Maybe D. Unlikely E. Certainly not If the United States doesn't withdraw from the United Nations we will. If not in five years then perhaps ten or fifteen. http://www.ldsmag.com/familywatch/040319newsletter.html I disagree with Sharon Slater, the author of the above article and President of United Families International, that pro-family activism within the UN will work. A better choice, in my opinion, is to totally withdraw from the UN. -- Steven Montgomery html a href=http://www.stoptheftaa.org/?af=linktous3; img border=0 src=http://www.stoptheftaa.org/_images/linktous/sftaalo gosmall.jpg width=406 height=100/a /html http://www.stoptheftaa.org // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] Vote Now!
What laws? -Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Vote Now! At 02:02 PM 3/19/2004, you wrote: Gays and lesbians should stay in the closet. A. Strongly agree B. Agree C. Undecided D. Disagree E. Strongly Disagree If the laws were strictly enforced, as they were in the days of the people of Nephi, they would have to stay in the closet--to avoid the penalty of the law. -- Steven Montgomery . . . the laws of the land were exceedingly strict--Jarom 1:5 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
[ZION] Fwd: Please Help Defend Marriage
I got this yesterday. I thought you all might want to see it. Thread-Topic: Please Help Defend Marriage thread-index: AcQNp7+qVcaDTQxORxS2FKEvvFW/bA== Reply-To: EmailInfo.ReplyToEmail From: United Families International [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please Help Defend Marriage Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 04:45:59 -0700 Importance: normal Priority: normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2004 11:46:00.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFB42410:01C40DA7] Please Note: You are receiving this alert from United Families International because you signed the Defend Marriage United States Petition to Defend Marriage and asked to be kept informed about critical developments on this issue. Defend Marriage is a project of http://www.unitedfamilies.orgUnited Families International. http://www.unitedfamilies.org March 18th, 2004 URGENT ACTION ALERT TO DEFEND MARRIAGE Please Help Stop International Action That Could Threaten Marriage in the U.S.! Dear Friend, Your urgent action is needed to help stop a proposed international action that would threaten our ability to defend marriage in the U.S. What was once considered to be our worst nightmare could soon become a stark reality unless we act quickly. An arm of the United Nations (UN), The United Nations Human Rights Commission (UNHRC), will be considering sexual orientation provisions at an international conference next week that could establish homosexual behavior as an international human right. If this happens it would pave the way for activists throughout the world to demand the legalization of same sex marriage. If it is not stopped, these provisions would undoubtedly affect marriage in the U.S. For example, U.S. judges are increasingly looking to UN polices and international norms in rendering their decisions on domestic issues. The U.S Supreme Court justices did just this as part of their rationale for overturning Texas' anti-sodomy laws last summer. The UN mandate does not include social engineering nor the dictating of social norms to member states and it is clearly overstepping its bounds by even considering this proposal. We adamantly oppose the UNHRC sexual orientation provisions for three reasons: 1. Attempts to legalize same sex marriage around the world would be substantially strengthened if homosexual behavior becomes an internationally recognized human right. The resolution, if passed, undoubtedly would be cited by the U.S. Supreme Court and state appellate courts to (1) overturn Defense of Marriage laws at the state and federal level and (2) challenge state constitutional provisions defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman. They did it on the Texas anti-sodomy law and they would surely do it again. 2. The provisions would seriously threaten religious freedom. Already, courts in various countries have punished people who have exercised freedom of expression in teaching their religious beliefs on homosexuality. If homosexuality becomes an internationally recognized human right, churches and organizations throughout the world that teach that homosexuality is wrong, that do not grant homosexuals equal participation in their activities, or that exclude them from leadership positions will be at risk of legal sanctions. 3. Since the definition of sexual orientation has not been limited or defined in any way by the United Nations, it would be difficult to restrict this newly proposed right to just homosexuals and lesbians. It is but one logical step for pedophiles to demand protection under this clause by simply claiming their sexual orientation is towards children. In fact, MABLA, the Men and Boy Love Association, has been seeking recognition at the United Nations and is an active supporter of the gay and lesbian groups who lobby there. PLEASE TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTION IMMEIDATELY: 1. Call and/or email the White House and tell the president that the U.S. must stand firm against UNCHR provisions designed to establish homosexual behavior as an international human right or that would elevate sexual orientation and place it in the same category as race, religion, and other fundamental characteristics. Explain that establishing homosexual behavior as an international human right would pave the way for the mandatory legalization of homosexual marriage. You can call the White House Comment Line at 202-456- or e-mail the president at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] We have made it easy for you to send the president an e-mail through our Web site by providing a suggested text and allowing you to send it to the president by a single mouse click. Just http://www.unitedfamilies.org/geneva_alert.cfmclick here to go to this page. It is critical that the president hear from us on this issue because if the U.S. stands firm in its opposition, these provisions likely will not pass. If the president and his advisors know that enough U.S. citizens are carefully watching the
Re: [ZION] Musical Instruments Survey
I can play the radio and, upon certain occasions when I'm particularly skillful, the cassette player. I'm taking lessons to play these CD things... *jeep! ---Chet (Who admires anyone who plays the violin, even poorly. Does this make you a permanent 39 years old?) If ya thinks ya is right, ya deserfs credit - even if ya is wrong. --Gus Segar via Popeye Ditto. Although I did use to be a DJ (radio) for a short amount of time. I'm not much with an actual instrument though. My hats off to anyone who can. -- Jonathan Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] Vote Now!
At 06:04 PM 3/19/2004, you wrote: Why does our membership in the UN have anything to do with it? Sharon Slater answers it this way: Quote Attempts to legalize same sex marriage around the world would be substantially strengthened if homosexual behavior becomes an internationally recognized human right. The resolution, if passed, undoubtedly would be cited by the U.S. Supreme Court and state appellate courts to (1) overturn Defense of Marriage laws at the state and federal level and (2) challenge state constitutional provisions defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman. They did it on the Texas anti-sodomy law and they would surely do it again. /Quote -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML BODY a href=http://www.getusout.org;img border=0 src=http://www.getusout.org/images/guolink.gif;/a PPBR /BODY /HTML http://www.getusout.org // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] Vote Now!
What laws do you think? At 06:04 PM 3/19/2004, you wrote: What laws? -Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Vote Now! At 02:02 PM 3/19/2004, you wrote: Gays and lesbians should stay in the closet. A. Strongly agree B. Agree C. Undecided D. Disagree E. Strongly Disagree If the laws were strictly enforced, as they were in the days of the people of Nephi, they would have to stay in the closet--to avoid the penalty of the law. -- Steven Montgomery . . . the laws of the land were exceedingly strict--Jarom 1:5 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
