RE: [ZION] Apocrypha

2003-11-17 Thread RB Scott


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 Subject: [ZION] Apocrypha
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 Question: The Bible is mostly translated correctly and contains both
 truth and error.  We can benefit from reading the Bible with the Holy
 Spirit as a guide, and we cannot benefit from reading the Bible without
 that guide.  Everything that is said here of the Apocrypha could
 as well be  said about the whole Bible, so what is the point in making a
distinction?

I certainly think one can benefit from reading the Bible with or without
guidance of the Holy Spirit.  Ditto the Book of Mormon.  Ditto the
Apocrypha. But, then I'm one who believes people can benefit from reading
most things the reading is accompanied by thinking.

RBS

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[ZION] Apocrypha

2003-11-17 Thread Gerald Smith

There are differences in why the Lord canonized the Bible, but not the Apocrypha.

First, the Bible is more complete doctrinally, while the Apocrypha does not always 
concentrate on doctrine or God. Secondly, historically, we aren't completely sure who 
wrote the books of the Apocrypha (same trouble with a few Bible books, like Hebrews 
and Revelation).

Finally, God need not command in all things. We are to seek out much through the Holy 
Ghost. Why don't we canonize more General Conference talks? Because there is no need 
to do so. If the members learn to listen to the Spirit, they will gain the truth, and 
toss out the errors.

As for apocryphal books (not necessarily in the Apocrypha, but early writings) that 
probably should be in the Bible: Gospel of Thomas, Odes of Solomon, the Testaments of 
the 12 Patriarchs.


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Gerald Smith
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[ZION] Apocrypha

2003-11-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
From: Encyclopedia of Mormonism, Vol.1, APOCRYPHA AND PSEUDEPIGRAPHA

When Joseph Smith was engaged in translating the Old Testament (see Joseph 
Smith Translation of the Bible [JST]), he came to the Apocrypha and sought 
divine counsel on what to do with it. The revelation given in response to 
his prayer informed him that the Apocrypha contains both truth and error, 
but was mostly translated correctly (DC 91:1). Although he was counseled 
not to translate the Apocrypha, the revelation states that any who read 
those writings with the Holy Spirit as a guide shall obtain benefit 
therefrom; without the Holy Ghost, a man cannot be benefited spiritually 
by reading the Apocrypha (DC 91:5-6).
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Question: The Bible is mostly translated correctly and contains both 
truth and error.  We can benefit from reading the Bible with the Holy 
Spirit as a guide, and we cannot benefit from reading the Bible without 
that guide.  Everything that is said here of the Apocrypha could as well be 
said about the whole Bible, so what is the point in making a distinction?

John W. Redelfs   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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