Re: [ZION] Civil Disobedience
At 05:29 AM 10/6/02 -0600 Steven Montgomery favored us with: What about China's One Child policy? When a couple already has a child (or several) and the wife gets pregnant she is required to submit to having an abortion. Would you sanction Civil Disobedience (perhaps sanction is too strong a word, maybe the term, looking the other way is better?) If the couple keeps the pregnancy secret, goes to full term and eventually bears the child? This is a hypothetical situation that will undoubtedly never occur. As long as utterly evil men lead China, they will never let the Church in. When they let the Church in, the less evil men in charge will probably reverse mandatory sterilizations, etc. We know that the Church has in the past authorized civil disobedience. That is why so many of our top church leaders went to jail during the polygamy wars. The point is, the Prophet will decide when and where civil disobedience is permitted, not us. A good Latter-day Saint never takes the law into his own hands. Your friend and brother, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Civil Disobedience
At 08:33 AM 10/5/2002, you wrote: It works for me. Maybe you should try again later. The article talks about people who have used civil disobedience to accomplish political goals. I am curious what people think - do we believe in the obeying the law no matter what? I presume most would have a place to draw the line but where is the line? Rose The line is drawn by the Lord. Whatever the Lord requires is right. If one is guided by the Spirit of Revelation you will know in all cases what you are to do. However, I recognize that for most of the world, proper discernment between the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Satan (or one's own strong willed opinion) are lacking--the Lafferty Brothers (Dan Ron) of the early 80's come to mind. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Explore Freedom: http://www.geocities.com/graymada / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Civil Disobedience
Steven Montgomery wrote: At 05:26 PM 10/5/2002, you wrote: The church's stance is quite clear: that local laws are to be obeyed, period. I generally agree. However, there may be occasions, perhaps exceedingly rare, where to obey the law of the land would put one in conflict with a major, and higher, law of God. One is not obligated to obey the command of a superior officer to slaughter innocent civilians, for example. True. I just read a talk somewhere and for the life of me I can't remember who wrote it, but they mention driving through a red light to get someone to the hospital. They said you're not nullifying the law -- the law is still there -- but you are obeying a higher law. The author was quick to point out that such instances are rare. I don't know about where you live but here, even an ambulance, if it goes through a red light with its siren on and lights on, has to take due precautions and if it's in an accident, it will be the ambulance driver's fault. What about China's One Child policy? When a couple already has a child (or several) and the wife gets pregnant she is required to submit to having an abortion. Would you sanction Civil Disobedience (perhaps sanction is too strong a word, maybe the term, looking the other way is better?) If the couple keeps the pregnancy secret, goes to full term and eventually bears the child? Not if I were a Chinese living in China I wouldn't. -- Steven Montgomery -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark. --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Civil Disobedience
Elder Russell painted that line fairly well in yesterday morning's session. Wait for it in the Ensign if you missed it. As John said, it should also put the War in Iraq thread to rest once and for all. Steven Montgomery wrote: At 08:33 AM 10/5/2002, you wrote: It works for me. Maybe you should try again later. The article talks about people who have used civil disobedience to accomplish political goals. I am curious what people think - do we believe in the obeying the law no matter what? I presume most would have a place to draw the line but where is the line? Rose The line is drawn by the Lord. Whatever the Lord requires is right. If one is guided by the Spirit of Revelation you will know in all cases what you are to do. However, I recognize that for most of the world, proper discernment between the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Satan (or one's own strong willed opinion) are lacking--the Lafferty Brothers (Dan Ron) of the early 80's come to mind. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Explore Freedom: http://www.geocities.com/graymada / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark. --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] Civil Disobedience
What do you think about this article? http://www.sierratimes.com/02/10/04/sunni.htm Rose / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
