Re: [ZION] More tales of friendly fire
>>> After intense pondering Stacy favored us with: >Frighten their enemies? If anything, it seems to me this would >embolden their enemies. After all, if one wants to shout "Here >I am," it would seem to me the logical thing would be to show >themselves. If, on the other hand, one wants one's identity to >be hidden to confuse the enemy, the smart thing is to try to >confuse one's enemies by looking just like them. I think we are talking about two different things. When the Gadianton robbers came down out of the mountains to battle with the Nephites, their goal was not to confuse the enemy but to frighten them into submission. I don't know about you, but to see someone twice my size running at me with sword in hand (and all I have to defend myself with is a sword as well) and wearing clothing died in blood would be a scary prospect! Guns have become a great equalizer in that respect. We also see in the Book of Mormon that when the Gadianton robbers were working in "stealth" mode they did in fact hide their identities, blended in with the local populace, and protected one another using secret oaths and signs (Ether 8:13-16; Helaman 6:22). This way the were not easily discovered, and could continue to wreak terror and destruction among the people. Geoff -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] More tales of friendly fire
Frighten their enemies? If anything, it seems to me this would embolden their enemies. After all, if one wants to shout "Here I am," it would seem to me the logical thing would be to show themselves. If, on the other hand, one wants one's identity to be hidden to confuse the enemy, the smart thing is to try to confuse one's enemies by looking just like them. Stacy. At 10:28 AM 11/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>> Stacy favored us with: >You know what never made sense to me? Why would the Lamanites >mark themselves? I'm sure the Taliban never marked themselves up >to be identified. The Lamanites were ultimately marked anyway, by God (see 2 Nephi 5:20-21). Any additional marks they put upon themselves were probably to frighten or scare their enemies, which the Gadianton Robbers led by Giddianhi tried to do in 3 Nephi 4:7-10. People who revel in sin may mark themselves, whether or not they know that by so doing that they are openly declaring their rebellion against God (see Alma 3:18). Geoff -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] More tales of friendly fire
>>> Stacy favored us with: >You know what never made sense to me? Why would the Lamanites >mark themselves? I'm sure the Taliban never marked themselves up >to be identified. The Lamanites were ultimately marked anyway, by God (see 2 Nephi 5:20-21). Any additional marks they put upon themselves were probably to frighten or scare their enemies, which the Gadianton Robbers led by Giddianhi tried to do in 3 Nephi 4:7-10. People who revel in sin may mark themselves, whether or not they know that by so doing that they are openly declaring their rebellion against God (see Alma 3:18). Geoff -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] More tales of friendly fire
You know what never made sense to me? Why would the Lamanites mark themselves? I'm sure the Taliban never marked themselves up to be identified. Stacy. At 09:19 PM 11/21/2002 -0600, you wrote: At 10:48 AM 11/21/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: Several JTF2 units have been rotated out of Afghanistan, specifically two sniper units, 6-3-Alpha A and 6-3-Alpha B. They have some interesting stories about sharing their sleeping positions (they didn't have bags, they just slept with plant and sand camouflage) Gillie suits? with scorpions and snakes, but the worst thing they faced was US Apache helicopters, who sometimes mistook them for Taliban. But their successes made a big difference, along with those of their US and British counterparts. 6-3-Alpha's motto is "one shot, one kill," and they have modified rifles that shoot steel-jacketed extra-powerful rounds that can pierce even light armour (including kevlar bulletproof shields). Is that the .50-caliber sniper rifle? (I don't know the official metric designation, but .5 inch = 12.7 mm, if that helps.) Many nights, I am the last person in the building after class ends at 9 pm and I have to put away the lab and audiovisual equipment I've used, and frequently I'm still there when whichever campus police officer got that particular duty for that night comes around to lock up the building, and, if neither of us is in a hurry, sometimes we talk for a few minutes. One night the sergeant told me that he had done something the past weekend that he thought I would have enjoyed¹: he had gone to a tactical workshop where he had been trained to fire that .50-caliber sniper rifle. _ ¹FWIW, what he meant was that I would have enjoyed the challenge of trying to hit a _target_ the size of a man's head a mile and a half away. So far, I have never pointed a weapon at a human being, much less fired one, and, God willing, I never will have any need to . . . although I did earn an "expert" rating with a pistol, so long as I am shooting at a man made of heavy paper . . . 2250 metres was the previous military distance kill record, set in Vietnam (official; obviously many covert successes don't make it into the book) but a Newfoundland MCpl made a 2430 m kill in Afghanistan that is apparently now the world record. The Taliban never even knew he was in anyone's scopes, and wouldn't even have heard the shot before he died. Each unit consisted of 3 men, and Mike Smith of the CBC interviewed them for an item on the news this morning (5 of them, actually -- a 6th member was seconded to them from the US Special Forces in an exchange program. Naturally he got nicknamed "Zee" which, I understand, is a popular brand of toilet paper in the US...). --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] More tales of friendly fire
At 10:48 AM 11/21/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: Several JTF2 units have been rotated out of Afghanistan, specifically two sniper units, 6-3-Alpha A and 6-3-Alpha B. They have some interesting stories about sharing their sleeping positions (they didn't have bags, they just slept with plant and sand camouflage) Gillie suits? with scorpions and snakes, but the worst thing they faced was US Apache helicopters, who sometimes mistook them for Taliban. But their successes made a big difference, along with those of their US and British counterparts. 6-3-Alpha's motto is "one shot, one kill," and they have modified rifles that shoot steel-jacketed extra-powerful rounds that can pierce even light armour (including kevlar bulletproof shields). Is that the .50-caliber sniper rifle? (I don't know the official metric designation, but .5 inch = 12.7 mm, if that helps.) Many nights, I am the last person in the building after class ends at 9 pm and I have to put away the lab and audiovisual equipment I've used, and frequently I'm still there when whichever campus police officer got that particular duty for that night comes around to lock up the building, and, if neither of us is in a hurry, sometimes we talk for a few minutes. One night the sergeant told me that he had done something the past weekend that he thought I would have enjoyed¹: he had gone to a tactical workshop where he had been trained to fire that .50-caliber sniper rifle. _ ¹FWIW, what he meant was that I would have enjoyed the challenge of trying to hit a _target_ the size of a man's head a mile and a half away. So far, I have never pointed a weapon at a human being, much less fired one, and, God willing, I never will have any need to . . . although I did earn an "expert" rating with a pistol, so long as I am shooting at a man made of heavy paper . . . 2250 metres was the previous military distance kill record, set in Vietnam (official; obviously many covert successes don't make it into the book) but a Newfoundland MCpl made a 2430 m kill in Afghanistan that is apparently now the world record. The Taliban never even knew he was in anyone's scopes, and wouldn't even have heard the shot before he died. Each unit consisted of 3 men, and Mike Smith of the CBC interviewed them for an item on the news this morning (5 of them, actually -- a 6th member was seconded to them from the US Special Forces in an exchange program. Naturally he got nicknamed "Zee" which, I understand, is a popular brand of toilet paper in the US...). --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] More tales of friendly fire
The last letter of the alphabet deserves a Jehovistically dignified name, after all "Canada, from eh to zed", by Charlie Farquharson Rick Mathis wrote: > At 09:48 AM 11/21/2002 -0700, Marc wrote: > >Naturally he got nicknamed "Zee" which, I understand, is a > >popular brand of toilet paper in the US...). > > Properly referred to as "zed" of course. > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] More tales of friendly fire
At 09:48 AM 11/21/2002 -0700, Marc wrote: Naturally he got nicknamed "Zee" which, I understand, is a popular brand of toilet paper in the US...). Properly referred to as "zed" of course. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] More tales of friendly fire
Several JTF2 units have been rotated out of Afghanistan, specifically two sniper units, 6-3-Alpha A and 6-3-Alpha B. They have some interesting stories about sharing their sleeping positions (they didn't have bags, they just slept with plant and sand camouflage) with scorpions and snakes, but the worst thing they faced was US Apache helicopters, who sometimes mistook them for Taliban. But their successes made a big difference, along with those of their US and British counterparts. 6-3-Alpha's motto is "one shot, one kill," and they have modified rifles that shoot steel-jacketed extra-powerful rounds that can pierce even light armour (including kevlar bulletproof shields). 2250 metres was the previous military distance kill record, set in Vietnam (official; obviously many covert successes don't make it into the book) but a Newfoundland MCpl made a 2430 m kill in Afghanistan that is apparently now the world record. The Taliban never even knew he was in anyone's scopes, and wouldn't even have heard the shot before he died. Each unit consisted of 3 men, and Mike Smith of the CBC interviewed them for an item on the news this morning (5 of them, actually -- a 6th member was seconded to them from the US Special Forces in an exchange program. Naturally he got nicknamed "Zee" which, I understand, is a popular brand of toilet paper in the US...). -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
