RE: [ZION] Definitions (was: RE: Eternal Life vs. Immortality)

[Ron Scott]

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 From: Stephen Beecroft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:15 PM
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 Subject: [ZION] Definitions (was: RE: Eternal Life vs. Immortality)

SNIP
 I believe this is the case with God's hatred of sinful and unrepentant
 individuals.  Some object to the term hate, thinking that somehow it
 lessens God's majesty or perfection to hate anyone or anything; or
 perhaps they're afraid that if perfect love does not preclude hatred,
 maybe God won't love them.  As I wrote before, I don't understand the
 psychological reasons, even in myself, that people have such a strong
 reaction to the clear scriptural teaching that God's love is
 conditional. 

Perhaps because it's NOT CLEAR and flies in the face of all that the gospel
teaches?

SNIP

 As to your specific example of eternal life vs. immortality, I believe
 current prophetic usage of the terms has established that eternal life
 == exaltation, while immortality == resurrection.  You may hold private
 definitions, of course, but in public conversation one generally reverts
 to the established meanings.

Really?  I've missed it.  But, I suppose a rose by another name would smell
as sweet.  Maybe not. Depends on what's behind the other name.

Ron

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Re: [ZION] Definitions (was: RE: Eternal Life vs. Immortality)

[Steven Montgomery]

At 10:15 AM 11/5/2003, Stephen Beecroft wrote:


I believe this is the case with God's hatred of sinful and unrepentant
individuals.  Some object to the term hate, thinking that somehow it
lessens God's majesty or perfection to hate anyone or anything; or
perhaps they're afraid that if perfect love does not preclude hatred,
maybe God won't love them.
Joseph Smith taught (Or at least someone authorized by Joseph Smith) in the 
Lectures On Faith, that not only was God a God of passions but was a 
being in whom, . . . all fulness and perfection dwell. Furthermore, in 
order to exercise complete faith in God unto Salvation, man must have a 
correct understanding of God's character, perfections, and attributes. I 
believe Joseph Smith. I believe that God experiences *all* the passions 
that we humans do, including hate, jealousy, envy, and yes--even lust--but 
only in their perfected state.

Is God a jealous God? Yes, but his jealousy is that of a perfected state.

Is God a envious God? Yes, but his envy is that of a perfected state.

In other words, I don't believe there is a passion or emotion, that we 
humans usually think of as negative ones, that God doesn't possess. God 
however, experiences hate and envy in a far different manner than us 
mortals do.



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Steven Montgomery
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Do I err, then, in believing that the universe is built upon symbols, to 
the end that it may bear record of its all-wise Architect and Builder? God 
teaches with symbols; it is his favorite method of teaching. The Savior 
often used them. (Orson F. Whitney, Improvement Era, August 1927)

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