Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9/3.8 incompatibility (was Re: Data.fs size grows non-stop)

2009-12-17 Thread Kapil Thangavelu
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote:

 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 02:07:06PM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
  On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as
 wrote:
   On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:41:11PM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
   On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as
 wrote:
   In 3.9 for FileStorage, if you give a starting tid that is toward the
   end of the file,
   it will scan backward, saving a lot of time.
  
   Ah, but how can I get a valid tid that is toward the end of the file?
   I assume that if I give a tid that doesn't exist, I'll get an error --
   which is the behavior oldstate() exhibits -- rather than the next
   existing transaction after that timestamp, or I could fudge by getting
   the current timestamp and subtracting 24 hours.
 
  No, the iterator starts at the first transactions who's tid is = the
  start tid.
 
  So, guess a time and use repr(ZODB.TimeStamp.TimeStamp(...))

 Cool!  Thank you,

 Marius Gedminas
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another way is to use the fstools.prev_txn starting at the end of the file
 to grab the newest transactions, the script i send to the list last week
uses it to poke a large zodb to just get the contents of the last 20
transactions without iterating through the whole thing or guessing a
timestamp.

https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zodb-dev/attachments/20091207/531fc1e4/attachment.obj

cheers,

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9/3.8 incompatibility (was Re: Data.fs size grows non-stop)

2009-12-10 Thread Chris Withers
Marius Gedminas wrote:
   * In ZODB 3.8, the 'version' argument of ClientStorage.history (as well
 as other kinds of storages, I suppose) is mandatory.  In ZODB 3.9
 it's gone.
 
 Solved by peeking into the method signature with inspect.getargspec()
 and supplying a version only if it's needed.

I believe this may be fixed with 3.9.4 is released.
...but it sounds like your code isn't ending up using the Z303 adapter, 
which is why you're running into the problem.

How are you mixing versions? 3.8 on client and 3.9 on server or?
(sorry, I lost the previous thread and saw this as a new one when Jim 
changed the subject line...)

cheers,

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9/3.8 incompatibility (was Re: Data.fs size grows non-stop)

2009-12-10 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:08:25AM +, Chris Withers wrote:
 Marius Gedminas wrote:
* In ZODB 3.8, the 'version' argument of ClientStorage.history (as well
  as other kinds of storages, I suppose) is mandatory.  In ZODB 3.9
  it's gone.
  
  Solved by peeking into the method signature with inspect.getargspec()
  and supplying a version only if it's needed.
 
 I believe this may be fixed with 3.9.4 is released.
 ...but it sounds like your code isn't ending up using the Z303 adapter, 
 which is why you're running into the problem.

What's Z303?

 How are you mixing versions? 3.8 on client and 3.9 on server or?

I'm not mixing versions at runtime; my intent is to write code that
works with either ZODB 3.8.x or 3.9.x.

You can see it here in all its glory:
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~zodbbrowser-dev/zodbbrowser/trunk/annotate/head:/src/zodbbrowser/history.py#L30

http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~zodbbrowser-dev/zodbbrowser/trunk/annotate/head:/src/zodbbrowser/state.py#L115

 (sorry, I lost the previous thread and saw this as a new one when Jim 
 changed the subject line...)

This is a new topic, completely unrelated to the previous thread.

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9/3.8 incompatibility (was Re: Data.fs size grows non-stop)

2009-12-10 Thread Jim Fulton
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 01:04:03PM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote:
 ...
  (Supporting both ZODB 3.8 and 3.9 is kinda tricky, but with some very
  ugly hacks I managed.)

 This sounds like something that needs to be fixed. Can you share some of the
 issues you ran into? (Or maybe file bugs reports.)

 Two issues only:

  * In ZODB 3.8 PersistentDict and PersistentMapping are unrelated
    classes, so if I want to have adapters for both, I have to register
    them separately in ZCML.  In ZODB 3.9, PersistentDict is an alias
    for PersistentMapping, so I get a ZCML configuration conflict error
    if I have adapter directives for both.

OK, it's impractical to do anything about this.


    Solved by defining a decoy class for one of the adapters so they
    don't conflict.

Hm, I'm not sure I follow this.  You could have used a different
approach of providing the second adapter registration as an override.

  * In ZODB 3.8, the 'version' argument of ClientStorage.history (as well
    as other kinds of storages, I suppose) is mandatory.  In ZODB 3.9
    it's gone.

It's mandatory in ClientStorage and optional in FileStorage. (MappingStorage and
DemoStorage don't have a history method in 3.8.

I suggest we treat this as a bug in 3.8 and make the version argument
to ClientStorage's history method optional in a 3.8 bug fix release.


    Solved by peeking into the method signature with inspect.getargspec()
    and supplying a version only if it's needed.

Ick. :)

 In particular, I think it should be a goal that it isn't too hard to
 write code that works with both ZODB 3.8 and 3.9.

 Normal code doesn't usually play with storage.history, I'd say, so I'm
 not too peeved by having to do various contortions.

Zope 2 had (has?) a standard view for looking at an object's history
that I found very useful. I wish there was one for Zope3.

History can be very useful in my experience.

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9/3.8 incompatibility (was Re: Data.fs size grows non-stop)

2009-12-10 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:08:36AM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote:
  On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 01:04:03PM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
  On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote:
  ...
   (Supporting both ZODB 3.8 and 3.9 is kinda tricky, but with some very
   ugly hacks I managed.)
 
  This sounds like something that needs to be fixed. Can you share some of 
  the
  issues you ran into? (Or maybe file bugs reports.)
 
  Two issues only:
 
   * In ZODB 3.8 PersistentDict and PersistentMapping are unrelated
     classes, so if I want to have adapters for both, I have to register
     them separately in ZCML.  In ZODB 3.9, PersistentDict is an alias
     for PersistentMapping, so I get a ZCML configuration conflict error
     if I have adapter directives for both.
 
 OK, it's impractical to do anything about this.
 
 
     Solved by defining a decoy class for one of the adapters so they
     don't conflict.
 
 Hm, I'm not sure I follow this. 

Code:

if PersistentMapping is PersistentDict:
# ...snip large comment explaining this...
class DecoyPersistentDict(PersistentMapping):
Decoy to avoid ZCML errors while supporting both ZODB 3.8 and 
3.9.
class PersistentDictState(PersistentMappingState):
Decoy to avoid ZCML errors while supporting both ZODB 3.8 and 
3.9.
adapts(DecoyPersistentDict, dict, None)
else:
class PersistentDictState(PersistentMappingState):
Convenient access to a persistent dict's items.
adapts(PersistentDict, dict, None)

ZCML:

adapter factory=.state.PersistentDictState /
adapter factory=.state.PersistentMappingState /

 You could have used a different
 approach of providing the second adapter registration as an override.

Oooh, neat hack.  But I'm not sure I like it better than the one I
implemented.

   * In ZODB 3.8, the 'version' argument of ClientStorage.history (as well
     as other kinds of storages, I suppose) is mandatory.  In ZODB 3.9
     it's gone.

I went back and corrected my statement (originally it referred to
FileStorage.history, and I was thinking about ClientStorage in my
parenthetical statement), and then I of course forgot to remove the
now-obsolete parenthetical statement itself.

 It's mandatory in ClientStorage and optional in FileStorage. (MappingStorage 
 and
 DemoStorage don't have a history method in 3.8.

 I suggest we treat this as a bug in 3.8 and make the version argument
 to ClientStorage's history method optional in a 3.8 bug fix release.

+1

     Solved by peeking into the method signature with inspect.getargspec()
     and supplying a version only if it's needed.
 
 Ick. :)

:)

  In particular, I think it should be a goal that it isn't too hard to
  write code that works with both ZODB 3.8 and 3.9.
 
  Normal code doesn't usually play with storage.history, I'd say, so I'm
  not too peeved by having to do various contortions.
 
 Zope 2 had (has?) a standard view for looking at an object's history
 that I found very useful. I wish there was one for Zope3.

Well, there is IStorage, and I think all storages (except for
FileStorage) implemented it faithfully (oid,
version-that-got-removed-in-3.9, size=1).  FileStorage in 3.8 violated
the interface by renaming size=1 to length=1, but it's fixed in 3.9.

I personally would like to be able to have size=None imply unlimited,
give me as much as you've got), but  works just as well
in practice.

What I miss _a lot_ is a way to look at the last several transactions.
There's the iterator API, but it goes from oldest-to-latest, and when
you've got a large DB, that takes a while (85 seconds for a Data.fs with
922737 transactions and 8 GB of data, with 100 MB/s read throughput).

 History can be very useful in my experience.

Oh yes.  This is why I stopped packing my production Data.fs'es and
first started using storage.history() with a couple of nice wrappers
from debugzope shell, and, later, convinced a coworker to write
ZODBBrowser.

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9/3.8 incompatibility (was Re: Data.fs size grows non-stop)

2009-12-10 Thread Jim Fulton
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote:
...
 Well, there is IStorage, and I think all storages (except for
 FileStorage) implemented it faithfully

I guess that depends on what you mean by faithfully. MappingStorage
and Demostorage
in 3.8 inherited a null implementation from BaseStorage and it's
arguable how faithful that
implementation is.

 (oid,
 version-that-got-removed-in-3.9, size=1).  FileStorage in 3.8 violated
 the interface by renaming size=1 to length=1, but it's fixed in 3.9.

and in 3.8.

...

 What I miss _a lot_ is a way to look at the last several transactions.
 There's the iterator API, but it goes from oldest-to-latest, and when
 you've got a large DB, that takes a while (85 seconds for a Data.fs with
 922737 transactions and 8 GB of data, with 100 MB/s read throughput).

In 3.9 for FileStorage, if you give a starting tid that is toward the
end of the file,
it will scan backward, saving a lot of time.

I've attached an analysis script that illustrates iterating backward.
Someday, someone should get around to adding an option to the file-storage
iterator to go backward.

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9/3.8 incompatibility (was Re: Data.fs size grows non-stop)

2009-12-10 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:41:11PM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote:
 ...
  Well, there is IStorage, and I think all storages (except for
  FileStorage) implemented it faithfully
 
 I guess that depends on what you mean by faithfully. MappingStorage
 and Demostorage
 in 3.8 inherited a null implementation from BaseStorage and it's
 arguable how faithful that
 implementation is.
 
  (oid,
  version-that-got-removed-in-3.9, size=1).  FileStorage in 3.8 violated
  the interface by renaming size=1 to length=1, but it's fixed in 3.9.
 
 and in 3.8.

*checks*

FileStorage in 3.8.1 violated the interface, to be precise.

ZODB 3.8.1 is mandated by
http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/3.4.0/versions.cfg, which our
production app currently uses.

(Kinda offtopic: Is there a newer 3.4 KGS release?
http://download.zope.org/ tells me Welcome and nothing more.
http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/ tells me in great big joyful letters
at the top of the page zope 3.4.0 Has Been Released!)

  What I miss _a lot_ is a way to look at the last several transactions.
  There's the iterator API, but it goes from oldest-to-latest, and when
  you've got a large DB, that takes a while (85 seconds for a Data.fs with
  922737 transactions and 8 GB of data, with 100 MB/s read throughput).
 
 In 3.9 for FileStorage, if you give a starting tid that is toward the
 end of the file,
 it will scan backward, saving a lot of time.

Ah, but how can I get a valid tid that is toward the end of the file?
I assume that if I give a tid that doesn't exist, I'll get an error --
which is the behavior oldstate() exhibits -- rather than the next
existing transaction after that timestamp, or I could fudge by getting
the current timestamp and subtracting 24 hours.

 I've attached an analysis script that illustrates iterating backward.

Thank you!

(Mutt is inconvenient: there's no way to look at attachments while you're
replying to a message.)

 Someday, someone should get around to adding an option to the file-storage
 iterator to go backward.

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9/3.8 incompatibility (was Re: Data.fs size grows non-stop)

2009-12-10 Thread Jim Fulton
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:41:11PM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote:
 In 3.9 for FileStorage, if you give a starting tid that is toward the
 end of the file,
 it will scan backward, saving a lot of time.

 Ah, but how can I get a valid tid that is toward the end of the file?
 I assume that if I give a tid that doesn't exist, I'll get an error --
 which is the behavior oldstate() exhibits -- rather than the next
 existing transaction after that timestamp, or I could fudge by getting
 the current timestamp and subtracting 24 hours.

No, the iterator starts at the first transactions who's tid is = the start tid.

So, guess a time and use repr(ZODB.TimeStamp.TimeStamp(...))

Jim

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9/3.8 incompatibility (was Re: Data.fs size grows non-stop)

2009-12-10 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 02:07:06PM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote:
  On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:41:11PM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
  On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote:
  In 3.9 for FileStorage, if you give a starting tid that is toward the
  end of the file,
  it will scan backward, saving a lot of time.
 
  Ah, but how can I get a valid tid that is toward the end of the file?
  I assume that if I give a tid that doesn't exist, I'll get an error --
  which is the behavior oldstate() exhibits -- rather than the next
  existing transaction after that timestamp, or I could fudge by getting
  the current timestamp and subtracting 24 hours.
 
 No, the iterator starts at the first transactions who's tid is = the
 start tid.
 
 So, guess a time and use repr(ZODB.TimeStamp.TimeStamp(...))

Cool!  Thank you,

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[ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9/3.8 incompatibility (was Re: Data.fs size grows non-stop)

2009-12-09 Thread Jim Fulton
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote:
...
 (Supporting both ZODB 3.8 and 3.9 is kinda tricky, but with some very
 ugly hacks I managed.)

This sounds like something that needs to be fixed. Can you share some of the
issues you ran into? (Or maybe file bugs reports.)

In particular, I think it should be a goal that it isn't too hard to
write code that
works with both ZODB 3.8 and 3.9.

Jim

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9

2009-04-12 Thread Dieter Maurer
Hanno Schlichting wrote at 2009-4-11 14:43 +0200:
 ...
ZODB 3.9 removed a bunch of deprecated API's. Look at
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ZODB3/3.9.0a12#change-history to see how
much changed in this version.

The main things were related to Versions are no-longer supported.
which changed some low level API used in quite a number of places and
meant that some of the stuff in Products.OFSP couldn't possibly work
anymore.

Hopefully, a ZODB 3.9 ZEO server is still able to speak with ZODB  3.9
ClientStorage instances...



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Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9

2009-04-12 Thread Jim Fulton

On Apr 12, 2009, at 4:27 AM, Dieter Maurer wrote:

 Hanno Schlichting wrote at 2009-4-11 14:43 +0200:
 ...
 ZODB 3.9 removed a bunch of deprecated API's. Look at
 http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ZODB3/3.9.0a12#change-history to see how
 much changed in this version.

 The main things were related to Versions are no-longer supported.
 which changed some low level API used in quite a number of places and
 meant that some of the stuff in Products.OFSP couldn't possibly work
 anymore.

 Hopefully, a ZODB 3.9 ZEO server is still able to speak with ZODB   
 3.9
 ClientStorage instances...


Yup. ZODB 3.9 storage servers support clients running ZODB 3.2 and  
later. Also, ZODB 3.9 clients can work with ZODB 3.8 storage servers.

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9

2009-04-11 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Chris Withers wrote:
 Hanno Schlichting wrote:
 Just be aware that ZODB 3.9 is not compatible with any stable Zope 2.x
 release. It only works and is required for Zope 2.12. It can be made to
 work with prior versions of Zope2 but that is a mild pain.
 
 What are the problems with using ZODB 3.9 in Zope 2.12?

ZODB 3.9 removed a bunch of deprecated API's. Look at
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ZODB3/3.9.0a12#change-history to see how
much changed in this version.

The main things were related to Versions are no-longer supported.
which changed some low level API used in quite a number of places and
meant that some of the stuff in Products.OFSP couldn't possibly work
anymore. There were some smaller things as well, like ZopeUndo moving
into the Zope2 codebase and such.

I think someone reported to got the combination working, but I doubt
it's possible without editing the Zope2 source code, which isn't the
most maintainable solution.

Hanno

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9

2009-04-11 Thread Jim Fulton

Here's an update. I finally got around to installing the free MS  
express compiler so I can build on Windows with Python 2.6.  The ZODB  
tests run on my 32-bit VM, so that's encouraging. (People had reported  
the tests crashing, which I assumed meant that the tests didn't even  
run.)  I'm getting the zeopack failure, which I'll investigate.  I  
didn't get the other 2 failures you reported.  I suspect they're  
intermittent.  I have a frequent problem with zeo_blob_cache.test,  
which is annoying, since I wrote it. :) It's testing a non-critical  
blob cleanup mechanism that happens in a thread and is subject to test  
race conditions.  So anyway, I think we're a lot closer than I feared.

Jim

On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Alan Runyan wrote:

 I was just reviewing what is pending for ZODB 3.9.
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/zodb/3.9/+bugs

 Looks like all of the bugs listed for 3.9 are fixed or fixes are  
 known
 and pending.
 Is a ZODB 3.9 beta around the corner?

 According to changes.txt the first alpha of 3.9 was cut almost 1/2  
 year ago

 ZODB + Python 2.6 on Windows is appearently an open issue.

 Andreas

 Where are the buildbot's/test runners for ZODB?  We just ran quick
 test and got the attached output.  I presume ZC has buildbot's for
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Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9

2009-04-07 Thread Jim Fulton

On Apr 6, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Alan Runyan wrote:

 Hi.

 I was just reviewing what is pending for ZODB 3.9.
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/zodb/3.9/+bugs

 Looks like all of the bugs listed for 3.9 are fixed or fixes are known
 and pending.
 Is a ZODB 3.9 beta around the corner?

Yes, for some definition of around the corner.

The main blocker of a beta is integrating support for relstorage.

There are also issues with Python 2.6 on Windows, but that needn't  
block a beta.

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9

2009-04-07 Thread Jim Fulton

On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Alan Runyan wrote:

 I was just reviewing what is pending for ZODB 3.9.
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/zodb/3.9/+bugs

 Looks like all of the bugs listed for 3.9 are fixed or fixes are  
 known
 and pending.
 Is a ZODB 3.9 beta around the corner?

 According to changes.txt the first alpha of 3.9 was cut almost 1/2  
 year ago

 ZODB + Python 2.6 on Windows is appearently an open issue.

 Andreas

 Where are the buildbot's/test runners for ZODB?  We just ran quick
 test and got the attached output.

What platform and Python version was this for?

  I presume ZC has buildbot's for
 ZODB already running?

No. Do you?  I typically run tests on Linux and Windows before  
committing, usually for Python 2.4 and 2.5. Lately, also on Python 2.6  
on Linux.  I would love someone to run some buildbots. I don't want to  
set them up myself. :)

Jim

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9

2009-04-07 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Alan Runyan wrote:
 Is a ZODB 3.9 beta around the corner?

Just be aware that ZODB 3.9 is not compatible with any stable Zope 2.x
release. It only works and is required for Zope 2.12. It can be made to
work with prior versions of Zope2 but that is a mild pain.

Hanno

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Re: [ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9

2009-04-07 Thread Alan Runyan
The tests were from ZODB trunk + Python 2.6 64bit on Windows.

We could setup buildbot's for ZODB on Windows.  One problem is..
it takes ages for it the tests to run; so it would need to be on its
own VM.

I think we could run the tests nightly.. where would you want the output?

cheers
alan

p.s. no guarantees need to figure out how we could schedule them to
run at night as to not interfere with our other builds

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:

 On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Alan Runyan wrote:

 I was just reviewing what is pending for ZODB 3.9.
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/zodb/3.9/+bugs

 Looks like all of the bugs listed for 3.9 are fixed or fixes are
 known
 and pending.
 Is a ZODB 3.9 beta around the corner?

 According to changes.txt the first alpha of 3.9 was cut almost 1/2
 year ago

 ZODB + Python 2.6 on Windows is appearently an open issue.

 Andreas

 Where are the buildbot's/test runners for ZODB?  We just ran quick
 test and got the attached output.

 What platform and Python version was this for?

  I presume ZC has buildbot's for
 ZODB already running?

 No. Do you?  I typically run tests on Linux and Windows before
 committing, usually for Python 2.4 and 2.5. Lately, also on Python 2.6
 on Linux.  I would love someone to run some buildbots. I don't want to
 set them up myself. :)

 Jim

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 Zope Corporation


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[ZODB-Dev] ZODB 3.9

2009-04-06 Thread Alan Runyan
Hi.

I was just reviewing what is pending for ZODB 3.9.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/zodb/3.9/+bugs

Looks like all of the bugs listed for 3.9 are fixed or fixes are known
and pending.
Is a ZODB 3.9 beta around the corner?

According to changes.txt the first alpha of 3.9 was cut almost 1/2 year ago

cheers
alan
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