[Zope] Cancelling long processes in Zope
How do you stop a long process just triggered, i.e., by accident? One of our apps allows our users to trigger long processes. The way we used to deal with them is to stream response lines so that the user has an idea of what's going on. Nonetheless, some processes aren't worth to watch, so they are simply logged and associated to a mail alert. That's fine so far. As processes can commit transactions regularly on demand, has anyone tried to deal with long processes by means of hacking the Zope threads machinery (or something like that), in order to achieve start, stop and resume commands? Most transactions don't need this, but unawared long procceses use to leak memory and CPU cycles, and they ought to be managed. Any experiences on this subject? Thanks in advance, Ausum ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
- Original Message - From: Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] (...) I submitted a patch to the Zope collector but I had removed one bit of black magic too much -- and other products broke that were dependent on this magic. My patch which were already integrated into the Zope sources were reverted and never considered again (though I provided a correction) Thus, PropertySheets are still utterly broken (outside of our private Zope copy). If that's what it takes to try a ZClasses-PythonProduct converter, then my logic tells me core maintainers should allow that patch to find it's way to the official release. Did I miss something regarding the calls to help? Because if that happens to Dieter's willingness, then what would happen to ours? ;) Ausum ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Is this a kafkanian situation? Are really core developers asking the community to kick a used Zope's feature, saying it's because it's hard to maintain it, and simultaneously to say it's code 'unmaintained and untouched since ages'? Folks, you didn't need to ask for the aproval of people who didn't make it with that feature. You just do it. You're the ones that create the knots and know for sure where they are, and if you aren't in the mood anymore just give the thing over. :) As of your remarks, Andreas, I understand your point. People who care should take over. Sounds fair. Just please don't mean that we who say yes to a Jim's question are guilty of not letting Zope to move on, because Zope is moving to X3, not to 2.X+five, and definitely not to Archetypes, a CMF subject. As for ZC, IMHO the issue should be treated as a matter of understanding the market rather than achieving a milestone. You created stuff that works in some way or another that people embraced. You also changed your company name to the name of the product of yours that people embraced. And no matter how much hype there is on new trends, you should realize that a song is just a song until the market say it's a hit, and that X3 is that song. Shall you start to put Zope2 into pieces before getting to know you already have a hit? :) Ausum - Original Message - From: Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: zope@zope.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses? ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
To me it depends on how much time ZClasses are going to last. If ZClasses will stay for the next two years, then it's fine for us, as we probably will persuade ourselves to rewrite all of our stuff in ZopeX3, and not in Zope2.X Jim, bear in mind that people that will agree to its deprecation is people that in one way or another aren't using them or stopped using them, for whatever valid reason they had ever found. Ask to the people who actually doesn't have any problem with them. Take this as an example: http://www.zope.org/Members/sums/News_Item.2004-10-20.2121 As of us, we are happily using them for a large project on dynamic packaging for travel operators and travel agencies, a complex application featuring dynamic pricing and the content management of rich-media personalized itineraries. I chose ZClasses as it offered us a mean of working interactively with our partner, without the constraints of having to have a detailed road map to start with.( Dynamic pakaging in the travel industry is still a moving target ). ZClasses offered us a way to put test features up and running quickly, just to find out they would make any sense or not. Whether there already is a tool like that in ZopeLand, I would agree to its deprecation, but actually there's nothing like it. Certainly ZClasses is not what it promised to be, but what it does do, it does it brilliantly, IMNSHO. Ausum - Original Message - From: Jake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: zope@zope.org Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses? My vote is to keep them around for 2.8 and 2.9 but say goodbye after that. Again.. it won't be easy for us, but who said progress ever was. Jake -- http://www.ZopeZone.com Jim Fulton said: Jake wrote: As someone who has at least 5 different products using ZClasses across 10 different websites with millions of hits a month, I am certainly not happy to see them go, but I do understand that their time has come. If they are supported in 2.8 - 2.9 and gone in 3.0 I guess that is ok. If we deprecated them now, they would be gone in 2.10 (not to be confused with 3.0) too. Again, it is going to take me and others a lot of work to migrate out our data from those products into other vehicles but such is progress. A decision hasn't been made. People who don't use them feel strongly that they should go. I'm trying to get a sense of how widely they are used. I'm trying to understand if people who use ZClasses are a silent majority, minority, or small minority. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope-dev] Search Features and Zope Directions Road Map
Zope is a great application server, the same as its soon to be released Content Management Framework, because of its bet on Python, everybody say it. Nevertheless, after reading the Directions Roadmap from DC, I was surprised that a substantial improvement of the searching features of Zope, wasn't mentioned as a major concern. For a new Zope enthusiast like me, it is a kind of addiction to arrange and administer content while taking the learning curve. Almost everybody in this list with a non-programming background might've experimented this. But when I arrived to the search features of ZCatalog, I got mixed feelings. (Right now I'm stuck on this OR indexes searching :) ) The fact is that - according to my strong belief - everybody uses more Google to look for Zope Site's content than Zope's own Zcatalog's search engine. Moreover, everybody uses more Google to look for everything, bypassing windows, doors, and portals!. Why? Because it's terribly smart (not mentioning its 6,000 Linux boxes, by the way), and because there's no need to follow the highly-engineered information architecture of a web site, if there's a trustful shorcut to the relevant content!. So, if I'd have to mention one big feature improvement to Zope, I wouldn't doubt: "search engine". I just wanted to point on this subject. I know Zope isn't about spidering and retrieving, but it should have "Greater Search Capabilities" as a title, within that roadmap. :) Ausum p.d. Right now I'm quite interested at the technology of searching and finding non structured content, in order to compose structured documents. For example, the guys at Vignette (StoryServer) say that its customers don't need to keyword anything in order to have a "related content" section. After the writer finishes a story, (possibly while) a routine by Autonomy (www.autonomy.com) reads the document and finds out what the document is about, and so it triggers a search for related content within the site, without the need of intervention by the writer. (For the curious, Autonomy has published a personal version of its software. It's called Kenjin (www.kenjin.com) ). On the other hand, Fast, from Norway, already have a nice multimedia search engine, from regular, non-structured, spidered web pages. Can we do that "structuring the unstructured" thing within Zope? ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope] Extended characters in Zope
I have to deal with documents and its attributes wich have a lot of extended characters in them, like the "" or the hyphened ""..."" vocals in spanish. The ones who download the pages in Windows don't have any trouble. The ones who use Mac will see strange characters, as it might be expected. Updating a page or propertie from a Mac will cause the same problem for Windows users, because Zope doesn't convert the extended characters to the web-friendly format when properties are added. I'd also like to search in Zcatalog using these extended characters, ie. "Effects of El Nio", from any platform. Is there a workaround for this situation? Ausum p.d I'm sure that european Zopists have already faced this problem and probably found a solution. Unfortunately I couldn't find it at the archives. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Where to host Zope apps?
The first time I wanted to host at an enterprise level it wasn't very hard. I just went for HighWay becasue it was said at that time, that it was one of the finest hosting providers. After a short term it was bought by Verio and now Verio itself it's owned by the largest japanese telco. (For every potencial hosting customer -specially for one who doesn't live at the provider's country- it is quite important to get to know who the hosting company is, and how big their assets are.) I don't know much about the companies currently offering Zope, but I would like to suggest that Digital Creations cobrands all of them who want it to, after an evaluation process by its own staff. I can foresee a big Zope's spreading when DC decides to get involved with its derived hosting providers community at a cobranding level. Regards, Ausum ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [OT] Is it time for mandatory subject keys?
Dieter Maurer wrote: (...) What does "mandatory" mean? Rejected by Ken, if it is missing? Hope not ... Not at all. Mandatory keys are a commom practice in some very busy lists I've been at before. The spirit is "if you are unsure about what key to choose, use GEN: for generic stuff (or something like that); but if you don't use any at all that means you don't want to be kind to every other subscriber" (if you didn't forget it when you posted it). That would also mean, "if you want to be paid attention, use them". Many posts here are from newcomers. Let them a chance to get acquainted with the list and its nettiquettes. Dieter From a newbie perspective, it is also helpul: the use of proper keys would help newcomers to associate certain new terms contained within a mail's subject, to the key (and the topic) it is supossed to belong, without having to read it (while at the firsts steps of the learning curve). Anyhow, the most common use would be to filter the messages, in order to save or discard them. The downside of not to prevent the potencial problem, as I've seen at other crowded lists, is the loose of interest in it by their senior users, and a feeling of infinite freedom of the non-serious newcommers. After all, as I said, this is just an idea. Greetings, Ausum ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] How to list objects across different containers in Zope's tree?
Few days ago there was this same question although remained unsolved. This is the case for a news site: News objects are within section folders, within day folders, within months, and within a year folder. Just like this, at the root: http://zopesite:8080/2000/October/17/sports/newsobjectid_htm If I were at, ie, root/2001/January/thislist_htm , how can I list(and retrieve) sport news appeared from October 29th to November 10th in year 2000? Is it time to look for a database? Thanks in advance, Ausum ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] How to list objects across different containers in Zope's tree?
Thanks for the tip, James. It seems a clever approach although I must keep it for the time being. Anyway if that were the case, the question could be this one: How can I list all the headlines and summaries for all the news appeared for sports, locals and politics sections (in example) from December 27th,2000 and January 5th, 2001 ? Greetings, Ausum James Sintz wrote: Ausum, It may be time to re-think your site structure. I have a news type site as well and here is how I handle it (my way... not saying it is by any means the best or right way). Instead of storing your news items in a series of folderish objects, maybe create folders for each section and then create a news item ZClass with the article date or goLiveDate as the ID. zopesite:8080/sports/2000.10.17/newsobjectid_htm Then do some dtml to pull out the ones you want on the main "sport/thislist_htm" page. Better yet use ZCatalog to search for the range of news items you want to appear in the list. Hope this helps!! Jamey Sintz ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.3.0 beta 1 comments
I've just tried this last version and I liked it very much. These are two quick UI-related suggestions: - To add a class property for the textarea tag on documentEdit.dtml textarea name="data:text" wrap="off" class="edit-code" style="width: 100%;"dtml-if dtpref_cols cols="dtml-var dtpref_cols"dtml-else The added "edit-code" class (wich I've defined as Arial 8pt at manage_page_style.css.dtml) avoids me to start Dreamweaver when I need quick reviews of the code, because I just see more characters within the textarea field. - There might be a preference attribute, for wich the "view" link at the manage tab renders or not the page on a new window. Finally something for the wish list: It would be very nice to have a wildcard renaming tool, able to rename wildcarded object names even across different containers. Greetings, Ausum ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] How to list objects across different containers in Zope's tree?
Thanks Chris, I'll find it and download it. About the ZCatalog, I've recently tested it and I was wondering whether it's possible for its search engine to find parts of a word, maybe to have an Ultraseek-like search results page. Apparently the engine doesn't find any half-a-word. Example: Looking for "bio" won't find "Edison's biography" . Am I missing something? Cheers, Ausum Chris Withers wrote: If I were at, ie, root/2001/January/thislist_htm , how can I list(and retrieve) sport news appeared from October 29th to November 10th in year 2000? Is it time to look for a database? Nope, it's time to read up on ZCatalog ;-) There's a great chapter on this in the new Zope Book, but as I'm at home and over dialup, the URL isn't to hand, perhaps someone else could help? cheers, Chris ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] How to list objects across different containers in Zope's tree?
Thank you again James. I'll test your code.
I thought there was a simpler way to list objects across containers.
Something that could list objects within the same level (starting from
the root), as if each folder at the root was a column, and its
subfolders elements of a raw.
Ausum
James Sintz wrote:
Right off the top of my head, since the sections are folder objects you
could simply dtml-in through the folders and then inbed another dtml-in.
Example (nothing fancy).
I did not include any date range stuff, but you can probably figure that out
on your own. It may be better to include a 'section' property in your zClass
and then just search your Catalog (see catalog example below for an UNTESTED
example).
dtml-in "objectValues(['Folder'])"
dtml-var name_or_idbr
!-- now use the folder id to move into the correct namespace --
dtml-with id
!-- news stories here --
dtml-in "objectValues(['newItems'])"
dtml-var headlinebr
dtml-var summarybr
/dtml-in
br
/dtml-with
br
/dtml-in
Catalog example
dtml-in "objectValues(['Folder'])"
dtml-var name_or_idbr
dtml-in "Catalog( { 'meta_type' : 'newsItem',
'section' : id,
'goLiveDate' : [ 2000/27/12 , 2001/05/01],
'goLiveDate_usage' : 'range:min:max' } )"
dtml-var headlinebr
dtml-var summarybr
/dtml-in
br
/dtml-in
-Original Message-
From: Ausum [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 3:18 PM
To: James Sintz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zope] How to list objects across different containers
in Zope's tree?
Thanks for the tip, James. It seems a clever approach although I must
keep it for the time being.
Anyway if that were the case, the question could be this one:
How can I list all the headlines and summaries for all the news appeared
for sports, locals and politics sections (in example) from December
27th,2000 and January 5th, 2001 ?
Greetings,
Ausum
James Sintz wrote:
Ausum,
It may be time to re-think your site structure. I have a news type site
as
well and here is how I handle it (my way... not saying it is by any
means
the best or right way).
Instead of storing your news items in a series of folderish objects,
maybe
create folders for each section and then create a news item ZClass with
the
article date or goLiveDate as the ID.
zopesite:8080/sports/2000.10.17/newsobjectid_htm
Then do some dtml to pull out the ones you want on the main
"sport/thislist_htm" page.
Better yet use ZCatalog to search for the range of news items you want
to
appear in the list.
Hope this helps!!
Jamey Sintz
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[Zope] Is it time for mandatory subject keys?
I'm just guessing around. Zope is a great tool and the Zopists are increasing in number. Preventing caos by splitting a busy list, in my experience, just doesn' work because we people don't want to stay away from the main list, don't we? Nevertheless it would become a real need to stablish a way to differenciate messages, in order to pay effective atention to the threads we are most likely to read, respond or filter. Maybe it's time for mandatory subject keys. Something like NEW: for newbies questions; OT: for off-topic (like this); DB: for database related stuff... you DC people name it. Greetings, Ausum ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Zope's . vs _ unsolved issue (Re:To retrieve properties from a dtmldocument)document)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You still have given no cogent reason for using Zope. If you have only, or predominatly static content, you are paying a huge overhead penalty. If you have mixed static content and dynamic content, use apache and ProxyPass to front-end the dynamic content, and apache to serve the static content. Then you have no conversion worries at all on the static content. Hello Jim, I'm finding myself greatly dissapointed that Zope doesn't have a built-in routine for this "." vs "_" problem. Although it may not be a big issue if you remain in Zserver and Unix, it is if we want the Zope's users base to keep growing, because we all benefit from it. And this point is a sort of unpleasant barrier for not-programmers Windows users like me. Dreamweaver is great for layout and design, and for nothing else. In despite of its templates and libraries and everything else, it would be unclever to let the journalists and editors in charge of content creation at my job, to open Dreamweaver and insert their stories in each page, asking them to not forget to write the summary in the description tag and the story title as the page title tag. :) For the time being we can't afford a 3 Mb/s connection (our current bandwith needs) so we must upload to a remote server almost two hundred pages daily. And even when relying page updating on trainned personnel exclusively, there's been this funny experience that the printed edition releases before the digital one, meaning that we have to deal with this gap between releases all the time. So that's why we need Zope, and why we need to get over its behaviours. Maybe it's time to throw the ball to Macromedia's ground. :) Thanks again for your comments, Jim Ausum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 09:10:54PM -0500, Ausum wrote: Hello Andy, thanks for the advice. It didn't work. Maybe I'm wrong at any point, so please tell me whether it worked for you. I'm aware that this problem has been discussed here before, that it happens because of Python's object naming, and also that there's a workaround at least (and just)for expressions, using _['whatever.html'] Due to the kind of workflow we have, we need all of the documents to be editable with Dreamweaver at any moment, directly, after the daily WGET process. Batch-replacing every "_html" with ".html" in file names and content seems to be very complicated within this scenario. Going from dreamweaver to Zope, if you are working on unix, batch replacing is EASY, a single find command to change the file names and a simple sed script (or python or perl) to change hrefs. You will need to write such a script anyway, if your servers are Unix or Linux and your Dreamweavers are Windows. You will find that your windows people mix filename case randomly and expect it to work; you will have to canonify all hrefs to a single case convention. If going from zope to dreamweaver, either write the corresponding _ to . scripts and batch it, or write a checkout external script that does it for you. I have not thought about this latter option very much, but the export facility should give you an example of how to do this. I doubt if it is much more than a day's reading and two days coding (and this is being damn generous, as I suspect that this is a ten line script). You still have given no cogent reason for using Zope. If you have only, or predominatly static content, you are paying a huge overhead penalty. If you have mixed static content and dynamic content, use apache and ProxyPass to front-end the dynamic content, and apache to serve the static content. Then you have no conversion worries at all on the static content. Jim ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] To retrieve properties from a dtml document
After some newbie researching I found that whenever I want to retrieve a propertie from a dtml document I must use this: dtml-var "thedocument.thepropertie" If thedocument is index_html or whatever_html it works fine, but how could I retrieve a propertie from a document named whatever.html? We need to use the .html extension for every document because we want to mirror the site using WGET, leaving the automation just on the production stages, in order to upload static pages to our remote server. Any comment? Ausum ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] To retrieve properties from a dtml document
Hello Andy, thanks for the advice. It didn't work. Maybe I'm wrong at any point, so please tell me whether it worked for you. I'm aware that this problem has been discussed here before, that it happens because of Python's object naming, and also that there's a workaround at least (and just)for expressions, using _['whatever.html'] Due to the kind of workflow we have, we need all of the documents to be editable with Dreamweaver at any moment, directly, after the daily WGET process. Batch-replacing every "_html" with ".html" in file names and content seems to be very complicated within this scenario. Thanks again, Ausum Andy McKay wrote: Try dtml-with thedocument.html dtml-var theproperty /dtml-with -- Andy McKay, Developer. ActiveState. - Original Message - From: "Ausum" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 3:39 PM Subject: [Zope] To retrieve properties from a dtml document After some newbie researching I found that whenever I want to retrieve a propertie from a dtml document I must use this: dtml-var "thedocument.thepropertie" If thedocument is index_html or whatever_html it works fine, but how could I retrieve a propertie from a document named whatever.html? We need to use the .html extension for every document because we want to mirror the site using WGET, leaving the automation just on the production stages, in order to upload static pages to our remote server. Any comment? Ausum ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] One-To-One, Story Server, Teamsite, ... Zope?
The three first are the most recognized brands for content management software, at least among industry journalists. For anyone previously involved with content management of a large scale site, Interwoven's, Broadvision's and Vignette's high-end suites, respectively, are probably the default chooses for web and e-business management, no questions asked. I'm reflecting this because I would like to have the big picture of what each product is able to do, without exagerations. I've never seen running any of those products, and since I must advice the company I work for about the software it will need for its news portal, in adition to what nice pdfs and catalogs can show off, I am truly interested about what Zope can do and what it can't, COMPARED to those first. Is Zope stable enough working connected to large databases? How does it behave with high traffic sites? Does it support clustering? What is the largest site running it? Have anyone put their hands on any of the mentioned tools and make comparisons? Although it sounds silly, I need reasons to convince someone else that saving money is for good. That none of those super-coded-worth-a-third-million solutions is much better that a genuine GNU initiative, meaning Zope in this particular case. And, by the way, when are we going to see the first large ASP (meaning NASDAQ registered) with support for Zope? Thanks in advance, Ausum ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] HTML formatting from a text field
Thanks to all the people who answered. I couldn't wait to find the proper product so I went the shorter way. Being not a developer, I just borrowed the code from this known site, expecting that you real coders could write a finished Zope product. My needs were simple: let authorized IE-PC users to paste html-formatted text when needed and in WYSIWYG mode, while having the webmaster to pay attention to design and layout using Dreamweaver and Zope. Here you'll find the sample and the code: http://www.zope.org/Members/ausum/Html-formatted%20text%20field/ There's a pending job (from the original code) and it is to enable the insert images and tables feature. Regards, Ausum David Spencer wrote: Ausum, I would suggest going to the website for Lotus Quickplace (www.quickplace.com or www.lotus.com) and signing up for a demo account. They've got a very simple word processor (bold, italics, a couple of fonts, etc.) integrated into their project sites that, I think, does what you're describing. I'm pretty sure everything is accomplished using Javascript. If you could port something like this over to zope and release it as a product, so that WYSIWYG documents can be created through the web and still incorporate standard headers and footers, I would be a very happy man. I dread trying to explain zwiki and structured text to clients. You might also want to look at standardbrains.editthispage.com. He's got an excellent, javascript-based approach to WYSIWYG editing, but you can't save it back to the site as far as I can tell. David ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] HTML formatting from a text field
I'm needing a tool that could let a normal user to update a web page, HTML-formatted from a text field within a Zope's form, just like the Compose page at Hotmail, when selecting "Rich Text Format". Does anyone know how to do it? I've tried to find out the technology behind that page, but guess I didn't get too far. Thanks in advance, Ausum ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] HTML formatting from a text field
Yes I did, but I guess it doesn't work for what I have in mind, wich is a sort of simple html editor within a text field. As I said before, the only place I've seen something like that is at Hotmail. Has anyone tried to parse HTML code to Zope, from a WYSIWYG-style java applet text field? Ausum Dieter Maurer wrote: Ausum writes: I'm needing a tool that could let a normal user to update a web page, HTML-formatted from a text field within a Zope's form, just like the Compose page at Hotmail, when selecting "Rich Text Format". Does anyone know how to do it? I've tried to find out the technology behind that page, but guess I didn't get too far. Did you look at the ZWiki product (-- zope.org)? Dieter ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
