Re: [Zope-CMF] Some first steps with CMF2
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 10:33:22AM -0400, David Pratt wrote: Second, does CMF now support products as a package instead? If so where are the packages to be located for CMF and is there some sort of code somewhere that would exemplify an approach for moving my own products forward. I don't think CMF itself has anything to do with this. You might look into the pythonproducts product which was just announced on the zope3-five mailing list, I think it's supposed to allow you to install zope 2 products anywhere. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
[Zope-CMF] Re: Some first steps with CMF2
Hi David! David Pratt wrote: My first question has to do with GenericSetup. I have portals that require the adding of a variety of tools etc. So first off how/where do I create my site configuration so that I can create clones with my own configuration instead of default? In general it should be easier to customize a site and create the profile by exporting the site configuration compared to customizing the XML files directly. A tarball import function is still missing, so the easiest way to use your own profiles is creating a small product that registers your profile. There are two possible strategies for creating your profiles: 1.) Create your own base profile(s) pro: This is an automated process because exports are always base profiles. con: You create a lot of redundant configuration data that will become hard to maintain if the default profiles are changed or you need many similar configurations. 2.) Create your own extension profile(s) pro: It just represents the difference to the base profile and other extension profiles. Keeping track of changes in those profiles is an automated process. con: While a diff helps you to identify changes between two profiles creating an extension profile is manual work. Second, does CMF now support products as a package instead? If so where are the packages to be located for CMF and is there some sort of code somewhere that would exemplify an approach for moving my own products forward. It is not officially supported but it might work with the latest Five / pythonproducts code. I haven't tried it so far. I see that five views are now available for default types. This is very exciting. How would one deal with the main portal template? The main_template is one of the oldest parts of the CMFDefault skin. I guess it needs a major refactoring if we port it to five views. For now you customize it the old way or make your own experiments. Last question has to do with formlib. Does this integration exist in CMF2 currently? CMF doesn't integrate Zope 3 features faster than Five. CMF 2.0 just requires Zope 2.9 (Five 1.3) which has no formlib support. Maybe CMF 2.1 will use formlib and maybe you can already do useful things with the latest Five code and formlib in CMF 2.0. Sorry for so many questions but I am really pumped about the changes and I am anxious to begin moving things over. You are welcome! Cheers, Yuppie ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
[Zope-CMF] GenericSetup tags
A few versions of CMF have been tagged, but the tags still have an svn:external pointing to GenericSetup trunk. That's bad as it means the tag checkout will change over time. GenericSetup should be tagged too, and the CMF tags point to it. (I favor the first solution.) Florent -- Florent Guillaume, Nuxeo (Paris, France) Director of RD +33 1 40 33 71 59 http://nuxeo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] GenericSetup tags
On 28 Feb 2006, at 17:06, Florent Guillaume wrote: A few versions of CMF have been tagged, but the tags still have an svn:external pointing to GenericSetup trunk. That's bad as it means the tag checkout will change over time. GenericSetup should be tagged too, and the CMF tags point to it. (I favor the first solution.) For 2.0 final I would have created a GenericSetup release if none had been made. Anyone want to roll a release then? jens ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
[Zope-CMF] How to customize forms and pages in the CMF for a CMS
Title: Message I have been searching the site as well as reading the "Zope Book" and experimenting with zope and the cmf. What I am trying to do is make some very simple, easilycustomizable sitesfor my client base. So I want thecms that I create to add new dynamic pagesthat are interlinked in the site. These pages will show some basic info and 8-10 pictures. I also want to implement aeasy to use browser base WYSIWYG editor. I have been messing around with the main_template file and others but I have some questions. What files should I be editing? What file(s) are my cms form that creates the new pages and what extensions will I need to install. Is there any documentation on this? Also what language (ZPT or DTML) will I need to know for this? WIll I need to be totally proficient in it? There is so much that I want to ask but I will keep searching for answers and experiment with Zope. ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] How to customize forms and pages in the CMF for a CMS
On 28 Feb 2006, at 22:12, Bradly Bernier wrote: I have been searching the site as well as reading the Zope Book and experimenting with zope and the cmf. What I am trying to do is make some very simple, easily customizable sites for my client base. So I want the cms that I create to add new dynamic pages that are interlinked in the site. These pages will show some basic info and 8-10 pictures. I also want to implement a easy to use browser base WYSIWYG editor. With your requirements I would suggest you take a look at Plone (http://plone.org), which has all of that already implemented and is geared much more towards end users. jens ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
RE: [Zope-CMF] How to customize forms and pages in the CMF for a CMS
So there isnt a way of doing this just with the CMF? I have looked at plone and it doesn't seem to offer the exact requirments. All I want to make is a site where my clients can edit the body of 1 or 2 pages and then add periodic new content that only has a title, small body, and some pictures. I also am interested in learning more about zope and would like to know if would be hard for a noob like me to learn how to do this. On 28 Feb 2006, at 22:12, Bradly Bernier wrote: I have been searching the site as well as reading the Zope Book and experimenting with zope and the cmf. What I am trying to do is make some very simple, easily customizable sites for my client base. So I want the cms that I create to add new dynamic pages that are interlinked in the site. These pages will show some basic info and 8-10 pictures. I also want to implement a easy to use browser base WYSIWYG editor. With your requirements I would suggest you take a look at Plone (http://plone.org), which has all of that already implemented and is geared much more towards end users. jens ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] How to customize forms and pages in the CMF for a CMS
Everything is possible, it's just that CMF isn't well-matched with beginner users. Its documentation is the code itself in many places. CMF also does not come with things like WYSIWYG editors built in. jens On 28 Feb 2006, at 23:37, Bradly Bernier wrote: So there isnt a way of doing this just with the CMF? I have looked at plone and it doesn't seem to offer the exact requirments. All I want to make is a site where my clients can edit the body of 1 or 2 pages and then add periodic new content that only has a title, small body, and some pictures. I also am interested in learning more about zope and would like to know if would be hard for a noob like me to learn how to do this. On 28 Feb 2006, at 22:12, Bradly Bernier wrote: I have been searching the site as well as reading the Zope Book and experimenting with zope and the cmf. What I am trying to do is make some very simple, easily customizable sites for my client base. So I want the cms that I create to add new dynamic pages that are interlinked in the site. These pages will show some basic info and 8-10 pictures. I also want to implement a easy to use browser base WYSIWYG editor. With your requirements I would suggest you take a look at Plone (http://plone.org), which has all of that already implemented and is geared much more towards end users. jens ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: Some first steps with CMF2
I'm afraid integrating a separate product at the last minute is not in the cards. We're in beta, and that means feature freeze. One way of achieving what you want, if missing code is indeed the problem, would be to write a addon Zope product which provides the missing pieces. That can be done independent of the CMF roadmap, which you can find here: http://www.zope.org/Products/CMF/docs/roadmap/view jens On 28 Feb 2006, at 22:38, David Pratt wrote: Hi Yuppie. Is there some interest in having CPSSkins V3 work together with CMF in the new release? The CMF on its own is still very nice framework but it would be nice if it was usable with a new skin. CPSSkins V3 is ZPL. The old default templates are really not pretty but CPSSkins could give CMF on its own a new life don't you think? What it is missing is a Five bridge. Is this something that we could make happen. I am willing to help (but my ZCML knowledge is not particularly great at this stage). I am not sure when the final CMF 2.0.0 but it would be a real milestone if we could give CMF a new exterior for it's debut as 2.0. Regards, David David Pratt wrote: Hi Yuppie. Many thanks for this help. Yikes with the profiles. Not sure which way I will go. I'll wait for Rocky on 2.9 pythonproducts which will hopefull be shortly. I was hoping the Z3ECM CPSSkins could be used with CMF Default so that views could be integrated into something good and new. CPSSkins is ZPL. I guess formlib will be a bit so I should not be so anxious. It all takes time. :-) Regards, David yuppie wrote: Hi David! David Pratt wrote: My first question has to do with GenericSetup. I have portals that require the adding of a variety of tools etc. So first off how/where do I create my site configuration so that I can create clones with my own configuration instead of default? In general it should be easier to customize a site and create the profile by exporting the site configuration compared to customizing the XML files directly. A tarball import function is still missing, so the easiest way to use your own profiles is creating a small product that registers your profile. There are two possible strategies for creating your profiles: 1.) Create your own base profile(s) pro: This is an automated process because exports are always base profiles. con: You create a lot of redundant configuration data that will become hard to maintain if the default profiles are changed or you need many similar configurations. 2.) Create your own extension profile(s) pro: It just represents the difference to the base profile and other extension profiles. Keeping track of changes in those profiles is an automated process. con: While a diff helps you to identify changes between two profiles creating an extension profile is manual work. Second, does CMF now support products as a package instead? If so where are the packages to be located for CMF and is there some sort of code somewhere that would exemplify an approach for moving my own products forward. It is not officially supported but it might work with the latest Five / pythonproducts code. I haven't tried it so far. I see that five views are now available for default types. This is very exciting. How would one deal with the main portal template? The main_template is one of the oldest parts of the CMFDefault skin. I guess it needs a major refactoring if we port it to five views. For now you customize it the old way or make your own experiments. Last question has to do with formlib. Does this integration exist in CMF2 currently? CMF doesn't integrate Zope 3 features faster than Five. CMF 2.0 just requires Zope 2.9 (Five 1.3) which has no formlib support. Maybe CMF 2.1 will use formlib and maybe you can already do useful things with the latest Five code and formlib in CMF 2.0. Sorry for so many questions but I am really pumped about the changes and I am anxious to begin moving things over. You are welcome! Cheers, Yuppie ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
[Zope-CMF] Re: How to customize forms and pages in the CMF for a CMS
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:37:24 -, Bradly Bernier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there isnt a way of doing this just with the CMF? I have looked at plone and it doesn't seem to offer the exact requirments. All I want to make is a site where my clients can edit the body of 1 or 2 pages and then add periodic new content that only has a title, small body, and some pictures. I also am interested in learning more about zope and would like to know if would be hard for a noob like me to learn how to do this. It's quite often easier to turn things off in Plone than to re-invent them on top of plain CMF. What you're asking for is *exactly* what Plone does, and it'd be much easier for you to learn how to do so in a Plone context than in a pure CMF context, if only because there are books (Plone Live's a good one) and lots of documentation and tools like Archetypes and ArchGenXML. Plone isn't perfect, and probably has evolved too much framework for its own good (we're working on it :-) but it is much more rapid, you get a lot more usability and integration for free, and it's easier to learn than plain CMF. Martin -- (muted) ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
RE: [Zope-CMF] Re: How to customize forms and pages in the CMF for a CMS
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:37:24 -, Bradly Bernier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there isnt a way of doing this just with the CMF? I have looked at plone and it doesn't seem to offer the exact requirments. All I want to make is a site where my clients can edit the body of 1 or 2 pages and then add periodic new content that only has a title, small body, and some pictures. I also am interested in learning more about zope and would like to know if would be hard for a noob like me to learn how to do this. It's quite often easier to turn things off in Plone than to re-invent them on top of plain CMF. What you're asking for is *exactly* what Plone does, and it'd be much easier for you to learn how to do so in a Plone context than in a pure CMF context, if only because there are books (Plone Live's a good one) and lots of documentation and tools like Archetypes and ArchGenXML. Plone isn't perfect, and probably has evolved too much framework for its own good (we're working on it :-) but it is much more rapid, you get a lot more usability and integration for free, and it's easier to learn than plain CMF. Martin Yah Plone seemed to be just as difficult as the CMF when I looked at it. Plone has way to many options that it scares me which I know would never work for my very computer illiterate clients. Thanks a lot. I will look into the Plone Live's book. All I need is some great documentation and I will get it done. I guess after I become fluent with plone I will jump into learning Python/DTML/ZPT/Zope and all of the rest :) Thanks everyone. ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: Some first steps with CMF2
Hi Jens. I should have spoken up sooner I guess but I feel this idea has merit. Well it's the Five bridge that is needed here since this is a Zope3 package at this point. I am in the process of trying to become a bit better acquaited with ZCML but I may need some help to get this to work. Regards, David Jens Vagelpohl wrote: I'm afraid integrating a separate product at the last minute is not in the cards. We're in beta, and that means feature freeze. One way of achieving what you want, if missing code is indeed the problem, would be to write a addon Zope product which provides the missing pieces. That can be done independent of the CMF roadmap, which you can find here: http://www.zope.org/Products/CMF/docs/roadmap/view jens On 28 Feb 2006, at 22:38, David Pratt wrote: Hi Yuppie. Is there some interest in having CPSSkins V3 work together with CMF in the new release? The CMF on its own is still very nice framework but it would be nice if it was usable with a new skin. CPSSkins V3 is ZPL. The old default templates are really not pretty but CPSSkins could give CMF on its own a new life don't you think? What it is missing is a Five bridge. Is this something that we could make happen. I am willing to help (but my ZCML knowledge is not particularly great at this stage). I am not sure when the final CMF 2.0.0 but it would be a real milestone if we could give CMF a new exterior for it's debut as 2.0. Regards, David David Pratt wrote: Hi Yuppie. Many thanks for this help. Yikes with the profiles. Not sure which way I will go. I'll wait for Rocky on 2.9 pythonproducts which will hopefull be shortly. I was hoping the Z3ECM CPSSkins could be used with CMF Default so that views could be integrated into something good and new. CPSSkins is ZPL. I guess formlib will be a bit so I should not be so anxious. It all takes time. :-) Regards, David yuppie wrote: Hi David! David Pratt wrote: My first question has to do with GenericSetup. I have portals that require the adding of a variety of tools etc. So first off how/where do I create my site configuration so that I can create clones with my own configuration instead of default? In general it should be easier to customize a site and create the profile by exporting the site configuration compared to customizing the XML files directly. A tarball import function is still missing, so the easiest way to use your own profiles is creating a small product that registers your profile. There are two possible strategies for creating your profiles: 1.) Create your own base profile(s) pro: This is an automated process because exports are always base profiles. con: You create a lot of redundant configuration data that will become hard to maintain if the default profiles are changed or you need many similar configurations. 2.) Create your own extension profile(s) pro: It just represents the difference to the base profile and other extension profiles. Keeping track of changes in those profiles is an automated process. con: While a diff helps you to identify changes between two profiles creating an extension profile is manual work. Second, does CMF now support products as a package instead? If so where are the packages to be located for CMF and is there some sort of code somewhere that would exemplify an approach for moving my own products forward. It is not officially supported but it might work with the latest Five / pythonproducts code. I haven't tried it so far. I see that five views are now available for default types. This is very exciting. How would one deal with the main portal template? The main_template is one of the oldest parts of the CMFDefault skin. I guess it needs a major refactoring if we port it to five views. For now you customize it the old way or make your own experiments. Last question has to do with formlib. Does this integration exist in CMF2 currently? CMF doesn't integrate Zope 3 features faster than Five. CMF 2.0 just requires Zope 2.9 (Five 1.3) which has no formlib support. Maybe CMF 2.1 will use formlib and maybe you can already do useful things with the latest Five code and formlib in CMF 2.0. Sorry for so many questions but I am really pumped about the changes and I am anxious to begin moving things over. You are welcome! Cheers, Yuppie ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org
Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: How to customize forms and pages in the CMF for a CMS
hi, Please use plone Archetypes and write a archetype product what are all you needs in the form after this write a view page for the end users presentation thats it . If you cannot do send me the requirement hope i will do it for you . Regards, Tanveer On 3/1/06, Bradly Bernier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:37:24 -, Bradly Bernier [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: So there isnt a way of doing this just with the CMF? I have looked at plone and it doesn't seem to offer the exact requirments. All I want to make is a site where my clients can edit the body of 1 or 2 pages and then add periodic new content that only has a title, small body, and some pictures. I also am interested in learning more about zope and would like to know if would be hard for a noob like me to learn how to do this.It's quite often easier to turn things off in Plone than to re-inventthemon top of plain CMF. What you're asking for is *exactly* what Plone does,and it'd be much easier for you to learn how to do so in a Plonecontextthan in a pure CMF context, if only because there are books (PloneLive'sa good one) and lots of documentation and tools like Archetypes and ArchGenXML. Plone isn't perfect, and probably has evolved too muchframework for its own good (we're working on it :-) but it is much morerapid, you get a lot more usability and integration for free, and it's easier to learn than plain CMF.MartinYah Plone seemed to be just as difficult as the CMF when I looked at it.Plone has way to many options that it scares me which I know would never work for my very computer illiterate clients. Thanks a lot. I will lookinto the Plone Live's book. All I need is some great documentation and Iwill get it done. I guess after I become fluent with plone I will jump into learning Python/DTML/ZPT/Zope and all of the rest :)Thanks everyone.___Zope-CMF maillist-Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmfSee http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests -- Syed Tanveer Ahmed Web Developer,100 feet Road,Indranagar ,bangalore .9886420354 ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
