Re: [Zope-CMF] SVN: CMF.buildout/trunk/src/ Don't use http:// externals for CMF externals.

2010-04-01 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Tres Seaver  wrote:
> I'm +0 on making this change:  I don't konw who will be using this
> buildout via an anonymous HTTP URL, but if everybody working on CMF is
> alraedy using SVN >= 1.5, I can't see any harm in the relative externals.

I've gone ahead and made the change. One obvious user that doesn't
handle svn+ssh urls is the nightly buildbot. So using relative
externals seems to be the best option.

Hanno
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Re: [Zope-CMF] SVN: CMF.buildout/trunk/src/ Don't use http:// externals for CMF externals.

2010-04-01 Thread Tres Seaver
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yuppie wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> 
> Tres Seaver wrote:
>> Log message for revision 110361:
>>Don't use http:// externals for CMF externals.
>>
>>This buildout is for developers:  making them do the
>>dance is silly.
>>
>> Changed:
>>_U  CMF.buildout/trunk/src/
>>
>> -=-
>>
>> Property changes on: CMF.buildout/trunk/src
>> ___
>> Modified: svn:externals
>> - Zope2 http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope/trunk
>> Products.CMFCalendar 
>> http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFCalendar/trunk
>> Products.CMFCore http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFCore/trunk
>> Products.CMFDefault http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFDefault/trunk
>> Products.CMFTopic http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFTopic/trunk
>> Products.CMFUid http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFUid/trunk
>> Products.DCWorkflow http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.DCWorkflow/trunk
>> Products.GenericSetup 
>> http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.GenericSetup/trunk
>> five.localsitemanager 
>> http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/five.localsitemanager/trunk
>>
>> + Zope2 http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope/trunk
>> Products.CMFCalendar 
>> svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFCalendar/trunk
>> Products.CMFCore svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFCore/trunk
>> Products.CMFDefault 
>> svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFDefault/trunk
>> Products.CMFTopic svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFTopic/trunk
>> Products.CMFUid svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFUid/trunk
>> Products.DCWorkflow 
>> svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.DCWorkflow/trunk
>> Products.GenericSetup 
>> svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.GenericSetup/trunk
>> five.localsitemanager 
>> svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/five.localsitemanager/trunk
> 
> I propose to use the new svn:externals format instead. That makes the 
> discussion http:// vs. svn+ssh:// vs. svn:// obsolete because it allows 
> to specify relative externals.
> 
> IIRC the general policy for the Zope repository is to switch to relative 
> externals after the release of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, but I guess all people 
> using CMF.buildout have already Subversion >=1.5 available.

I'm +0 on making this change:  I don't konw who will be using this
buildout via an anonymous HTTP URL, but if everybody working on CMF is
alraedy using SVN >= 1.5, I can't see any harm in the relative externals.


Tres.
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Re: [Zope-CMF] SVN: CMF.buildout/trunk/src/ Don't use http:// externals for CMF externals.

2010-04-01 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:24 PM, yuppie  wrote:
> Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
>> Bringing up that question again certainly doesn't do any harm. I
>> personally have no objections to using relative SVN URLs.
>
> I don't plan to bring it up again on Zope-dev. I just proposed to make
> an exception for CMF.

I'm on Subversion 1.6 anyways, so +1 for using the new format for the
CMF buildout.

Hanno
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Re: [Zope-CMF] SVN: CMF.buildout/trunk/src/ Don't use http:// externals for CMF externals.

2010-04-01 Thread yuppie
Hi!


Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
> On 4/1/10 12:28 , yuppie wrote:
>> Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
>>> On 4/1/10 12:10 , yuppie wrote:
 IIRC the general policy for the Zope repository is to switch to relative
 externals after the release of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, but I guess all people
 using CMF.buildout have already Subversion>=1.5 available.
>>> Huh? Since when do we make repository policy based on the release of a
>>> particular Linux distribution? Where is this policy described? April
>>> fools joke maybe?
>>
>> I might be wrong, but AFAIR this was the last discussion about it on
>> Zope-dev and nobody objected to this mail:
>> https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2009-September/037693.html
>
> Like Charlie says, you may be overinterpreting that email. There is no
> such "general policy" for svn.zope.org.

Obviously "general policy" was the wrong term because both of you 
interpreted it not how I meant it. I agree this decision is not set in 
stone.

> Bringing up that question again certainly doesn't do any harm. I
> personally have no objections to using relative SVN URLs.

I don't plan to bring it up again on Zope-dev. I just proposed to make 
an exception for CMF.


Cheers,

Yuppie
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Re: [Zope-CMF] SVN: CMF.buildout/trunk/src/ Don't use http:// externals for CMF externals.

2010-04-01 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
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On 4/1/10 12:28 , yuppie wrote:
> Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
>> On 4/1/10 12:10 , yuppie wrote:
>>> IIRC the general policy for the Zope repository is to switch to relative
>>> externals after the release of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, but I guess all people
>>> using CMF.buildout have already Subversion>=1.5 available.
>> Huh? Since when do we make repository policy based on the release of a
>> particular Linux distribution? Where is this policy described? April
>> fools joke maybe?
> 
> I might be wrong, but AFAIR this was the last discussion about it on 
> Zope-dev and nobody objected to this mail:
> https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2009-September/037693.html

Like Charlie says, you may be overinterpreting that email. There is no
such "general policy" for svn.zope.org.

Bringing up that question again certainly doesn't do any harm. I
personally have no objections to using relative SVN URLs.

jens

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Re: [Zope-CMF] SVN: CMF.buildout/trunk/src/ Don't use http:// externals for CMF externals.

2010-04-01 Thread Charlie Clark
Am 01.04.2010, 12:28 Uhr, schrieb yuppie :

> I might be wrong, but AFAIR this was the last discussion about it on
> Zope-dev and nobody objected to this mail:
> https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2009-September/037693.html

I think it would be a bit much to extrapolate a policy from that e-mail.  
Client libraries for developers shouldn't be restricted by the OS - we'd  
never get anywhere on OS X if that were the case.

Anyone on this list who wouldn't be happy with relative URLs for  
svn:externals?

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Re: [Zope-CMF] SVN: CMF.buildout/trunk/src/ Don't use http:// externals for CMF externals.

2010-04-01 Thread yuppie
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
> On 4/1/10 12:10 , yuppie wrote:
>> IIRC the general policy for the Zope repository is to switch to relative
>> externals after the release of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, but I guess all people
>> using CMF.buildout have already Subversion>=1.5 available.
>
> Huh? Since when do we make repository policy based on the release of a
> particular Linux distribution? Where is this policy described? April
> fools joke maybe?

I might be wrong, but AFAIR this was the last discussion about it on 
Zope-dev and nobody objected to this mail:
https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2009-September/037693.html

Cheers, Yuppie
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Re: [Zope-CMF] SVN: CMF.buildout/trunk/src/ Don't use http:// externals for CMF externals.

2010-04-01 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
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On 4/1/10 12:10 , yuppie wrote:
> IIRC the general policy for the Zope repository is to switch to relative 
> externals after the release of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, but I guess all people 
> using CMF.buildout have already Subversion >=1.5 available.

Huh? Since when do we make repository policy based on the release of a
particular Linux distribution? Where is this policy described? April
fools joke maybe?

jens

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Re: [Zope-CMF] SVN: CMF.buildout/trunk/src/ Don't use http:// externals for CMF externals.

2010-04-01 Thread yuppie
Hi!


Tres Seaver wrote:
> Log message for revision 110361:
>Don't use http:// externals for CMF externals.
>
>This buildout is for developers:  making them do the
>dance is silly.
>
> Changed:
>_U  CMF.buildout/trunk/src/
>
> -=-
>
> Property changes on: CMF.buildout/trunk/src
> ___
> Modified: svn:externals
> - Zope2 http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope/trunk
> Products.CMFCalendar http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFCalendar/trunk
> Products.CMFCore http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFCore/trunk
> Products.CMFDefault http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFDefault/trunk
> Products.CMFTopic http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFTopic/trunk
> Products.CMFUid http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFUid/trunk
> Products.DCWorkflow http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.DCWorkflow/trunk
> Products.GenericSetup 
> http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.GenericSetup/trunk
> five.localsitemanager 
> http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/five.localsitemanager/trunk
>
> + Zope2 http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope/trunk
> Products.CMFCalendar 
> svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFCalendar/trunk
> Products.CMFCore svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFCore/trunk
> Products.CMFDefault 
> svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFDefault/trunk
> Products.CMFTopic svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFTopic/trunk
> Products.CMFUid svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.CMFUid/trunk
> Products.DCWorkflow 
> svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.DCWorkflow/trunk
> Products.GenericSetup 
> svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Products.GenericSetup/trunk
> five.localsitemanager 
> svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/five.localsitemanager/trunk

I propose to use the new svn:externals format instead. That makes the 
discussion http:// vs. svn+ssh:// vs. svn:// obsolete because it allows 
to specify relative externals.

IIRC the general policy for the Zope repository is to switch to relative 
externals after the release of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, but I guess all people 
using CMF.buildout have already Subversion >=1.5 available.


Cheers,

Yuppie
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