Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev
On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:50:14 -0500, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also I had expect some input of the community regarding at unicode support inside Zope. But there has been no feedback. It looks like no one needs unicode support in Zope ?! :-) I see the smiley, but Im still not sure whether you are joking. Ive had stable, mature unicode support available as patches since Zope version 2.1. Im sure Andreas is familiar with them, we have discussed some details on more than one occasion. Ive expressed to DC several times that I am keen to get these patches into the zope core, and at Brian's request documented the changes in two fishbowl proposals (even that request seemed cheeky at the time; my patches were stable long before the fishbowl process ;-). He said he was keen to get something into version 2.3, then version 2.4, but so far nothing. The opening of the CVS is a good starting point but I would like to see more people contributing. So far it really does appear that nothing will happen about this particular issue until it is needed by a zope.com consulting project. If there is anything more that I can do then somebody please tell me what. Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev
Clearly this is a situation that has broken down. I'll suggest a resolution in a private note to you in a sec. --Paul Toby Dickenson wrote: On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:50:14 -0500, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also I had expect some input of the community regarding at unicode support inside Zope. But there has been no feedback. It looks like no one needs unicode support in Zope ?! :-) I see the smiley, but Im still not sure whether you are joking. Ive had stable, mature unicode support available as patches since Zope version 2.1. Im sure Andreas is familiar with them, we have discussed some details on more than one occasion. Ive expressed to DC several times that I am keen to get these patches into the zope core, and at Brian's request documented the changes in two fishbowl proposals (even that request seemed cheeky at the time; my patches were stable long before the fishbowl process ;-). He said he was keen to get something into version 2.3, then version 2.4, but so far nothing. The opening of the CVS is a good starting point but I would like to see more people contributing. So far it really does appear that nothing will happen about this particular issue until it is needed by a zope.com consulting project. If there is anything more that I can do then somebody please tell me what. Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Open letters, hijacking and the like
--On Sunday, December 2, 2001 3:08 pm -0800 Clark O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the one hand ZC is this munificent benefactor of Zope. On the other hand ZC is this poor cash strapped little company that can't afford to take any interest in Zope unless they have an immediate incentive. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS DUDE. I AM SORRY BUT THIS IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE. Heh. In the ideal world, this may be true. However, the real world is a balance. Any company that becomes an open-ended munificent benefactor either goes bust or becomes a charity - and even charities need revenue. On the other hand, if Zope Corp. become too internally focussed, they lose the community. The trick that ZC is trying to pull off is to fulfill the promise of The Cathedral and the Bazzar and make this Open Source thing happen for real. I for one applaud them and really hope they make it (and that Paul Co. write a book about it for the rest of us to give to investors to get them to buy into our plans :-). Without projects like Zope Corp., Open Source is just going to be a plaything for students and geeks in their spare time. Me, I'd like Open Source to become The Way Software is Developed. Consider - what other companies have someone of Paul's seniority particiapting forums like this? Forgive me for putting words into his mouth, but at Paul's level, you don't muck around, if something is a waste of time, you stop doing it. Generally the things on your radar would be investors, important customers, strategy, and shaping your organisation. The Zope community is obviously valued by Zope Corp., or they'd ignore us. I suggest we need to all join in a constructive, mature conversation about how to make Zope, and Zope Corp's business model a success. If we pull that off, we'll be doing the world of Open Source Software a great service. BTW, Those of you that aren't yet in the business world, or are currently at a level where business issues don't matter that much, I suggest learning from the business perspective of what's going on here will do you a lot of good in your future careers. Zope as a technology will be hot for a comparatively short period compared to the business model. Simon (who just became a CEO himself, and sees the world in a different light now) - My opinions are my own, NIP's opinions are theirs -- Simon J. Coles Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Information Paradigms Work Phone: +44 1344 753703 http://www.nipltd.com/ Work Fax: +44 1344 753742 === Life is too precious to take seriously === ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Zope Exceptions and translation
Hi all, I'am looking for several products to translate zope-site into german. I have found ZBabel and it works very fine for normal websites. It always works fine in the standard_error_message if there is an error_value and an error_type. But it doesnt work if i get an string exception, because the error_value is an complete html-site. Therefore i tryed to patch some Exceptions in HTTPResponse to raise an class-Exception and a short string as error_value. The problem i see is that all exceptions in zope are raised in many defferent places and thats very difficult to patch them or to make them translation-able. I think it is a good way to change all string-exceptions like these in HTTPResponse to class-exceptions and the error_value to a normal description. With these changes the standard_error_message could be raised and there is an ability to translate the error_value. Do i think in the right way or did i missing any facts thanks as ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: DCWorkflow (was Re: [Zope-dev] Another open letter. :-))
I am actually working on such an animal, but I have no idea when/if I will be able to release the code. My request to the powers that be to be able to release my code is moving very slowly. In the meantime you can use it with a minimalist portal_actions/types/workflow triad with a little patch that's currently sitting in the PTK tracker. Number 401, I think. Sorry, no doco yet :-) PLEASE, look at OpenFlow (a Zope Product). It is based on years of research and covers all aspects. It works very well too! Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU - Physics and Chemistry Student Web2k - Web Design/Development Technical Project Management ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: DCWorkflow (was Re: [Zope-dev] Another open letter. :-))
Stephan Richter wrote: I am actually working on such an animal, but I have no idea when/if I will be able to release the code. My request to the powers that be to be able to release my code is moving very slowly. In the meantime you can use it with a minimalist portal_actions/types/workflow triad with a little patch that's currently sitting in the PTK tracker. Number 401, I think. Sorry, no doco yet :-) PLEASE, look at OpenFlow (a Zope Product). It is based on years of research and covers all aspects. It works very well too! Well, I did, actually, for at least a little bit. Its concept of tokens seems to be geared much more towards RDBMS-backed apps, and in some areas seems needlessly complex, at least for the app I'm working on. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: SV: [Zope-dev] Fishbowl?
On Saturday 01 December 2001 02:29, Magnus Heino wrote: 3. We could use another open source tool. Bugzilla springs to mind. Yes, it's not Zope, or even python, but it does work, certainly better than anything we, as a community, have right now or could build in the time it would take to install and set up. Well, I'm not too sure about that. Bugzilla is an undocumented, hacked, run-at-one-place-but-dont-try-to-move-it-beast. imho. Just like sourceforge... I gave it a try a while ago, but threw it away. plug http://roundup.sf.net/ ... is in heavy development, but is also being used right now. /plug Richard ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3
From: Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The new component architecture is having a very positive impact. Deep multiple inheritance is a thing of the past. Oh, DARN! I've been holding Zope up as an example that multiple inheritence DOES work to the people who religiously claim otherwise! :-) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: DCWorkflow (was Re: [Zope-dev] Another open letter. :-))
PLEASE, look at OpenFlow (a Zope Product). It is based on years of research and covers all aspects. It works very well too! Correct me if I'm mistaken, but from what I saw OpenFlow is very low level. You'd need an entire additional layer to attain what DCWorkflow does. Not that it's bad to be low level, mind you, but that missing layer prevents people from using it directly like DCWorkflow. Florent -- Florent Guillaume, Nuxeo SARL (Paris, France) +33 1 40 33 79 10 http://nuxeo.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] ZCatalog becoming empty when using Update in conjunction with ZPatterns
Are you using any virtual hosting setup of any kind? If so, switching from
using a base class of CatalogAware.CatalogAware to
CatalogPathAware.CatalogAware might solve this problem...
Sean
-Original Message-
From: Jean Jordaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:59 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zope-dev] ZCatalog becoming empty when using Update in
conjunction with ZPatterns
Hi all
I had a ZCatalog with about 3500 DataSkin instances indexed. Then
I started to index instances of a regular ZClass as well. Then I
added another index, to catalog an additional property of this
ZClass, and hit Update Catalog.
When Zope returned from updating, there were no records in the
Catalog, though the Vocabulary was intact. I see that I cannot
search for the DataSkin metatypes using the Find Objects
ZCatalog tab: they don't show up in the Find objects of type
field. So perhaps this is why updating failed.
However, now the Catalog is not accepting any entries. I originally
did the cataloging using this kind of loop on all the classes I
wanted indexed::
ids = container.Roundup.Issues.defaultRack.getPersistentItemIDs()
for id in ids:
object = container.Roundup.Issues.defaultRack.getItem(id)
Catalog.catalog_object( object
, string.join( object.getPhysicalPath()
, '/'))
When I try to run that again, I still get There are no objects in
the Catalog. upon return. When I run it using a newly created catalog
('testCatalog') instead, it works fine.
Could anyone perhaps explain what's happening here?
Regards,
Jean
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