Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-07 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
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On 10/6/10 18:33 , Tres Seaver wrote:
 +1 for dropping the test:  if we aren't going to try to fix it to pass,
 then scrap it.  Note that I actually feel the same way about *all* the
 every-day failures:  the value of the every-day mail drops sharply when
 there are any expected failures.

For me personally the value has dropped so far that I am mostly ignoring
those emails. They are hard to parse to begin with and there are just
too many buildbot entries. I wonder if it would make sense to send
separate emails per software package (such as ZTK, Zope2, etc) so that
people can pick and choose.

jens

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-07 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On 10/7/10 08:52 , Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
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 On 10/6/10 18:33 , Tres Seaver wrote:
 +1 for dropping the test:  if we aren't going to try to fix it to pass,
 then scrap it.  Note that I actually feel the same way about *all* the
 every-day failures:  the value of the every-day mail drops sharply when
 there are any expected failures.

 For me personally the value has dropped so far that I am mostly ignoring
 those emails. They are hard to parse to begin with and there are just
 too many buildbot entries.

Likewise. I've redirected all test-mails to /dev/null for a long time.

Wichert.
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-07 Thread Patrick Gerken
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:50, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote:
 On 10/7/10 08:52 , Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
 For me personally the value has dropped so far that I am mostly ignoring
 those emails. They are hard to parse to begin with and there are just
 too many buildbot entries.

 Likewise. I've redirected all test-mails to /dev/null for a long time.

Which projects do you not want to see in this summary mail?

Best regards,
   Patrick
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-07 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On 10/7/10 11:09 , Patrick Gerken wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:50, Wichert Akkermanwich...@wiggy.net  wrote:
 On 10/7/10 08:52 , Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
 For me personally the value has dropped so far that I am mostly ignoring
 those emails. They are hard to parse to begin with and there are just
 too many buildbot entries.

 Likewise. I've redirected all test-mails to /dev/null for a long time.

 Which projects do you not want to see in this summary mail?

Perhaps more important is brevity. If the mail was a simple thing with a 
maximum of 15 lines or so where you can immediately see if something is 
wrong or not it would be much better. Something like:

PROBLEMS


ZTK 1.0/python2.4: win32 5 errors, 2 failures
GROK 1.1/python2.6: linux 2 errors


and simply don't list things that do not have problems.

Wichert.
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-07 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote:
 Perhaps more important is brevity. If the mail was a simple thing with a
 maximum of 15 lines or so where you can immediately see if something is
 wrong or not it would be much better. Something like:

 PROBLEMS
 

 ZTK 1.0/python2.4: win32 5 errors, 2 failures
 GROK 1.1/python2.6: linux 2 errors

+1 for a brief summary, the direct links to the build results are
still important though and should be somewhere in the mail

 and simply don't list things that do not have problems.

I'd still list those at the bottom. We have a rather high variability
in the number of jobs run. I'd like to see if some jobs didn't run at
all and didn't sent any mails.

Hanno
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-07 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On 10/7/10 11:26 , Hanno Schlichting wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Wichert Akkermanwich...@wiggy.net  wrote:
 Perhaps more important is brevity. If the mail was a simple thing with a
 maximum of 15 lines or so where you can immediately see if something is
 wrong or not it would be much better. Something like:

 PROBLEMS
 

 ZTK 1.0/python2.4: win32 5 errors, 2 failures
 GROK 1.1/python2.6: linux 2 errors

 +1 for a brief summary, the direct links to the build results are
 still important though and should be somewhere in the mail

Make it a multipart/alternative mail and use links in the html version 
so you can click on things without having to waste extra space on links?

 and simply don't list things that do not have problems.

 I'd still list those at the bottom. We have a rather high variability
 in the number of jobs run. I'd like to see if some jobs didn't run at
 all and didn't sent any mails.

That would be a problem that should be at the top.

Wichert.
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-07 Thread Patrick Gerken
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:28, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote:
 On 10/7/10 11:26 , Hanno Schlichting wrote:
 +1 for a brief summary, the direct links to the build results are
 still important though and should be somewhere in the mail

Please don't forget we also have a page that links to all buildbots
and display latest status too.

http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/process/buildbots.html

Best regards,

  Patrick
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-07 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On 10/7/10 11:35 , Patrick Gerken wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:28, Wichert Akkermanwich...@wiggy.net  wrote:
 On 10/7/10 11:26 , Hanno Schlichting wrote:
 +1 for a brief summary, the direct links to the build results are
 still important though and should be somewhere in the mail

 Please don't forget we also have a page that links to all buildbots
 and display latest status too.

 http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/process/buildbots.html

That's certainly a hell of a lot better than those emails! It would be 
even nicer if there was a page with just the status information; as it 
is now I have to scroll two pages down to get to the useful data.

Wichert.
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-07 Thread yuppie
Hi!


Patrick Gerken wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:50, Wichert Akkermanwich...@wiggy.net  wrote:
 On 10/7/10 08:52 , Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
 For me personally the value has dropped so far that I am mostly ignoring
 those emails. They are hard to parse to begin with and there are just
 too many buildbot entries.

 Likewise. I've redirected all test-mails to /dev/null for a long time.

 Which projects do you not want to see in this summary mail?

I think we can distinguish two categories of tests:

1.) Tests that are expected to run without failures. If one of these 
tests fails, that's a regression that needs to be fixed immediately.

2.) Tests that frequently fail. These show issues that need to be 
resolved in the long run.

I only want to see the first category in the summary mail. The second 
category just produces noise on the list and makes it hard to recognize 
failures in the first category.


Cheers,

Yuppie
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-07 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 08:52:41AM +0200, Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
 On 10/6/10 18:33 , Tres Seaver wrote:
  +1 for dropping the test:  if we aren't going to try to fix it to pass,
  then scrap it.  Note that I actually feel the same way about *all* the
  every-day failures:  the value of the every-day mail drops sharply when
  there are any expected failures.
 
 For me personally the value has dropped so far that I am mostly ignoring
 those emails.

I used to ignore them, now I pay attention.

 They are hard to parse to begin with and there are just
 too many buildbot entries.

What do you think about the overview table at
http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/process/buildbots.html#the-nightly-builds
?

 I wonder if it would make sense to send
 separate emails per software package (such as ZTK, Zope2, etc) so that
 people can pick and choose.

-1 for separate emails.  One per day is plenty enough.

+1 for better organization within the email.

Currently the build results are grouped by status, and then ordered by
time.  I'd prefer if they were grouped by status, and then grouped by OS
(or by project; don't care much) inside the larger per-status groups.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-07 Thread Christian Theune
On 10/07/2010 03:01 PM, Marius Gedminas wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 08:52:41AM +0200, Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
 On 10/6/10 18:33 , Tres Seaver wrote:
 +1 for dropping the test:  if we aren't going to try to fix it to pass,
 then scrap it.  Note that I actually feel the same way about *all* the
 every-day failures:  the value of the every-day mail drops sharply when
 there are any expected failures.

 For me personally the value has dropped so far that I am mostly ignoring
 those emails.

 I used to ignore them, now I pay attention.

 They are hard to parse to begin with and there are just
 too many buildbot entries.

 What do you think about the overview table at
 http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/process/buildbots.html#the-nightly-builds
 ?

 I wonder if it would make sense to send
 separate emails per software package (such as ZTK, Zope2, etc) so that
 people can pick and choose.

 -1 for separate emails.  One per day is plenty enough.

 +1 for better organization within the email.

 Currently the build results are grouped by status, and then ordered by
 time.  I'd prefer if they were grouped by status, and then grouped by OS
 (or by project; don't care much) inside the larger per-status groups.

I think that ordering by name, only showing the bad status is a better 
idea for the *summary*.

Having a stable sorting makes it easier to look for your entry. 
Dropping the OKs will make noise go away.

I also suggest a single URL in the mail to go to a more detailed page in 
case you care for something specific to avoid the noise of visible text 
urls sprinkled all over the place.

Like this:

/= SNIP

Subject: Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed


zc_buildout_dev py_244_win32 / winbot.zope.org - FAILED
zope2.12 slave-osx / thehealthagency.com - FAILED
zope2.12 slave-ubuntu64 / thehealthagency.com - UNKONWN
ztk_dev py_254_win32 / winbot.zope.org - FAILED
ztk_dev py_265_win32 / winbot.zope.org - FAILED
ztk_dev py_265_win64 / winbot.zope.org - FAILED
ztk_dev py_270_win32 / winbot.zope.org - FAILED
ztk_dev py_270_win64 / winbot.zope.org - UNKNOWN

Status details can be found here:
http://example.com/zopetests/2010-01-12-00:30:15.html

\= SNAP


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[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-06 Thread Zope Tests Summarizer
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list.
Period Tue Oct  5 12:00:00 2010 UTC to Wed Oct  6 12:00:00 2010 UTC.
There were 50 messages: 6 from Zope Tests, 4 from buildbot at pov.lt, 20 from 
buildbot at winbot.zope.org, 11 from ccomb at free.fr, 9 from jdriessen at 
thehealthagency.com.


Test failures
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Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_dev py_254_win32
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Tue Oct  5 16:19:16 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021120.html

Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_dev py_265_win32
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Tue Oct  5 16:28:02 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021121.html

Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_dev py_265_win64
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Tue Oct  5 16:37:24 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021122.html

Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_dev py_270_win32
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Tue Oct  5 16:46:17 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021123.html

Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_dev py_270_win64
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Tue Oct  5 16:56:23 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021124.html

Subject: FAILED : Zope Buildbot / ztk_win slave-win
From: jdriessen at thehealthagency.com
Date: Tue Oct  5 17:21:43 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021127.html

Subject: FAILED : winbot / zc_buildout_dev py_244_win32
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Tue Oct  5 17:43:39 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021136.html

Subject: FAILED : Zope Buildbot / zope2.12 slave-osx
From: jdriessen at thehealthagency.com
Date: Wed Oct  6 05:19:12 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021169.html


Tests passed OK
---

Subject: OK : winbot / ztk_10 py_244_win32
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Tue Oct  5 17:06:02 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021125.html

Subject: OK : winbot / ztk_10 py_254_win32
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Tue Oct  5 17:14:45 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021126.html

Subject: OK : winbot / ztk_10 py_265_win32
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Tue Oct  5 17:23:08 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021128.html

Subject: OK : Zope Buildbot / zope2.12 slave-ubuntu64
From: jdriessen at thehealthagency.com
Date: Tue Oct  5 17:26:07 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021129.html

Subject: OK : Zope Buildbot / zope2 slave-ubuntu64
From: jdriessen at thehealthagency.com
Date: Tue Oct  5 17:28:08 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021130.html

Subject: OK : winbot / ztk_10 py_265_win64
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Tue Oct  5 17:31:49 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021131.html

Subject: OK : Zope Buildbot / ztk slave-ubuntu64
From: jdriessen at thehealthagency.com
Date: Tue Oct  5 17:32:46 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021132.html

Subject: OK : Zope Buildbot / zope2.12 slave-ubuntu32
From: jdriessen at thehealthagency.com
Date: Tue Oct  5 17:33:19 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021133.html

Subject: OK : Zope Buildbot / zope2 slave-ubuntu32
From: jdriessen at thehealthagency.com
Date: Tue Oct  5 17:35:26 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021134.html

Subject: OK : Zope Buildbot / ztk slave-ubuntu32
From: jdriessen at thehealthagency.com
Date: Tue Oct  5 17:39:56 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021135.html

Subject: OK : winbot / zc_buildout_dev py_254_win32
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Tue Oct  5 17:53:51 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021137.html

Subject: OK : winbot / zc_buildout_dev py_265_win32
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Tue Oct  5 18:04:57 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021138.html

Subject: OK : winbot / zc_buildout_dev py_265_win64
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Tue Oct  5 18:16:24 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021139.html

Subject: OK : winbot / zc_buildout_dev py_270_win32
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Tue Oct  5 18:28:02 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021140.html

Subject: OK : winbot / zc_buildout_dev py_270_win64
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Tue Oct  5 18:39:07 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021141.html

Subject: OK : winbot / ZODB_dev py_254_win32
From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
Date: Tue Oct  5 19:35:51 EDT 2010
URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021142.html

Subject: 

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-06 Thread Tres Seaver
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The first five failures appear to be related to the same cause.

 Test failures
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 Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_dev py_254_win32
 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
 Date: Tue Oct  5 16:19:16 EDT 2010
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021120.html
 
 Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_dev py_265_win32
 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
 Date: Tue Oct  5 16:28:02 EDT 2010
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021121.html
 
 Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_dev py_265_win64
 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
 Date: Tue Oct  5 16:37:24 EDT 2010
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021122.html

This appears to be a newline normalization issue in the doctests for
zope.testrunner:  somebody who can test a fix on both Windows and
non-Windows should look at the flags passed to the failing tests.

 Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_dev py_270_win32
 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
 Date: Tue Oct  5 16:46:17 EDT 2010
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021123.html
 
 Subject: FAILED : winbot / ztk_dev py_270_win64
 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
 Date: Tue Oct  5 16:56:23 EDT 2010
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021124.html




 Subject: FAILED : Zope Buildbot / ztk_win slave-win
 From: jdriessen at thehealthagency.com
 Date: Tue Oct  5 17:21:43 EDT 2010
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021127.html

I couldn't view the test output on this one:  the URL yields a 404.



 Subject: FAILED : winbot / zc_buildout_dev py_244_win32
 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
 Date: Tue Oct  5 17:43:39 EDT 2010
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021136.html

This one seems to be a non-Windows-specific zc.buildout test failure:  I
don't think we run those tests anywhere else.



 Subject: FAILED : Zope Buildbot / zope2.12 slave-osx
 From: jdriessen at thehealthagency.com
 Date: Wed Oct  6 05:19:12 EDT 2010
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021169.html

The link for this one also 404s.



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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-06 Thread Jan-Jaap Driessen
On 6 October 2010 16:11, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:

snip

 Subject: FAILED : Zope Buildbot / ztk_win slave-win
 From: jdriessen at thehealthagency.com
 Date: Tue Oct  5 17:21:43 EDT 2010
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021127.html

 I couldn't view the test output on this one:  the URL yields a 404.


My bad. I am upgrading this buildbot (more packages, python2.7). Back
online soon.


 Subject: FAILED : winbot / zc_buildout_dev py_244_win32
 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
 Date: Tue Oct  5 17:43:39 EDT 2010
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021136.html

 This one seems to be a non-Windows-specific zc.buildout test failure:  I
 don't think we run those tests anywhere else.



 Subject: FAILED : Zope Buildbot / zope2.12 slave-osx
 From: jdriessen at thehealthagency.com
 Date: Wed Oct  6 05:19:12 EDT 2010
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021169.html

 The link for this one also 404s.


Same same.


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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-06 Thread Adam GROSZER
Hello Tres,


 Subject: FAILED : winbot / zc_buildout_dev py_244_win32
 From: buildbot at winbot.zope.org
 Date: Tue Oct  5 17:43:39 EDT 2010
 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-October/021136.html

TS This one seems to be a non-Windows-specific zc.buildout test failure:  I
TS don't think we run those tests anywhere else.

Gary personally said about windows+python 2.4+zc.buildout: Just don't ask me.
Either we just ignore this or I drop python 2.4.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-06 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Adam GROSZER agros...@gmail.com wrote:
 Gary personally said about windows+python 2.4+zc.buildout: Just don't ask me.
 Either we just ignore this or I drop python 2.4.

At least for zc,buildout 1.5+ I'd be fine to drop Python 2.4 test
runs. We don't have zc.buildout in the ZTK 1.0, so it's fine not to
support it.

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed

2010-10-06 Thread Tres Seaver
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On 10/06/2010 12:30 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:

 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Adam GROSZER agros...@gmail.com wrote:
 Gary personally said about windows+python 2.4+zc.buildout: Just don't ask me.
 Either we just ignore this or I drop python 2.4.
 
 At least for zc,buildout 1.5+ I'd be fine to drop Python 2.4 test
 runs. We don't have zc.buildout in the ZTK 1.0, so it's fine not to
 support it.

+1 for dropping the test:  if we aren't going to try to fix it to pass,
then scrap it.  Note that I actually feel the same way about *all* the
every-day failures:  the value of the every-day mail drops sharply when
there are any expected failures.


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