[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3.3.1 and 3.4

2006-09-28 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen

Christian Theune wrote:

Hi,

Baiju M wrote:

On 9/28/06, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Please provide fixes and tests on the trunk and the 3.3 branch.

What about 3.2, dropped ?


Of course you can provide them for 3.2 as well. I'm not sure whether
it's officially maintained anymore now ... My understanding was that we
support: Current stable branch (3.3) + trunk


No! 3.2 is maintained. Bugfixes will *first go to the 3.2 branch*. This 
is important, as Zope 3.2 is not only used out there in deployments but 
also part of Zope 2.9 which will increase its life time a lot more.



Only during release time, we support three branches, e.g. yesterday it
was: Stable (3.2) + In-Release (3.3) + trunk


No.
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[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3.3.1 and 3.4

2006-09-28 Thread Christian Theune
Hi,

Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
 Christian Theune wrote:
 Hi,

 Baiju M wrote:
 On 9/28/06, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Please provide fixes and tests on the trunk and the 3.3 branch.
 What about 3.2, dropped ?

 Of course you can provide them for 3.2 as well. I'm not sure whether
 it's officially maintained anymore now ... My understanding was that we
 support: Current stable branch (3.3) + trunk
 
 No! 3.2 is maintained. Bugfixes will *first go to the 3.2 branch*. This
 is important, as Zope 3.2 is not only used out there in deployments but
 also part of Zope 2.9 which will increase its life time a lot more.
 
 Only during release time, we support three branches, e.g. yesterday it
 was: Stable (3.2) + In-Release (3.3) + trunk
 
 No.

Can you repeat the specific rule for me?

Christian

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[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3.3.1 and 3.4

2006-09-28 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen

Christian Theune wrote:

Hi,

I saw some updates in the wiki tonight and thought I'll catch up with
some stuff too.

As I opted to take care for the Zope 3.4 release and Zope 3.3 is out of
the door since yesterday, I've updated the roadmap.

(Someone correct me if my information is out-dated)

Current focus: Bug fixing Zope 3.3
--

Currently, we're aiming for a Zope 3.3 bugfix release (3.3.1) in
November, which is managed by Martijn. Everybody is very encouraged to
take a look at the collector and fix bugs instead of introducing new
functionality. Please provide fixes and tests on the trunk and the 3.3
branch.


... *after* having it fixed on the 3.2 branch *first*. I'm the 3.2 
bugfix manager and hope that we can soon have a 3.2.2 bugfix release as 
well.



Next milestone: Zope 3.4


Due to the late release date for Zope 3.3 and the amount of open bugs,
Zope 3.4 will be postponed one release cycle and will be released in May
2007.

The largest project that I know of that aims for Zope 3.4 will be the
eggification of Zope 3.

I haven't seen a formal proposal for this yet, but AFAIK this is Jim's pet.

Anybody else with larger features that are planned to go in for Zope 3.4?


I want to make most of the browser:* directives saner in implementation, 
without actually changing their behaviour, though. Unless people want to 
make their behaviour saner, too ;).

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[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3.3.1 and 3.4

2006-09-28 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen

Christian Theune wrote:

Hi,

Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:

Christian Theune wrote:

Hi,

Baiju M wrote:

On 9/28/06, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Please provide fixes and tests on the trunk and the 3.3 branch.

What about 3.2, dropped ?

Of course you can provide them for 3.2 as well. I'm not sure whether
it's officially maintained anymore now ... My understanding was that we
support: Current stable branch (3.3) + trunk

No! 3.2 is maintained. Bugfixes will *first go to the 3.2 branch*. This
is important, as Zope 3.2 is not only used out there in deployments but
also part of Zope 2.9 which will increase its life time a lot more.


Only during release time, we support three branches, e.g. yesterday it
was: Stable (3.2) + In-Release (3.3) + trunk

No.


Can you repeat the specific rule for me?


We'll repeat two stable branches, just like Zope 2.

So, Zope 2 currently maintains 2.9 and 2.10. We maintain the Zope 3 
counterparts, 3.2 and 3.3.

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[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3.3.1 and 3.4

2006-09-28 Thread Christian Theune
Hi,

Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
 I want to make most of the browser:* directives saner in implementation,
 without actually changing their behaviour, though. Unless people want to
 make their behaviour saner, too ;).

I wouldn't mind making myself behave saner. :)

As we're at it: I forgot to mention that the Blob project is still alive
and got some rejuvenation in the last days by making the unit tests
almost run on windows. (One problem with packing). So upgrading the ZODB
would be another step.

Something that I imagine could happen alongside the eggification is to
do a kind of spring cleaning and check for the modules that won't be
core-modules in the future - and decide how people will be able to still
use them.

Christian

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[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3.3.1 and 3.4

2006-09-28 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen

Christian Theune wrote:

Hi,

Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:

I want to make most of the browser:* directives saner in implementation,
without actually changing their behaviour, though. Unless people want to
make their behaviour saner, too ;).


I wouldn't mind making myself behave saner. :)

As we're at it: I forgot to mention that the Blob project is still alive
and got some rejuvenation in the last days by making the unit tests
almost run on windows. (One problem with packing). So upgrading the ZODB
would be another step.

Something that I imagine could happen alongside the eggification is to
do a kind of spring cleaning and check for the modules that won't be
core-modules in the future - and decide how people will be able to still
use them.


Yup.

There are some things in zope.app (e.g. workflow, externaleditor, 
zopetop, module, schemacontent) that aren't shipped with a Zope 3 
install and don't seem to be maintained anymore. I suggest that if 
no-one steps up for them they will simply be deleted.


There are also some things in zope.app that may be maintained but never 
shipped. These things don't really belong in zope.app, IMO (boston, 
homefolder, styleguide, css) and should probably be moved out. 
Discussions with their individual authors/maintainers will be necessary.


Philipp
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Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3.3.1 and 3.4

2006-09-28 Thread Christian Theune
Hi,

Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
 Christian Theune wrote:
 Hi,

 Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
 I want to make most of the browser:* directives saner in implementation,
 without actually changing their behaviour, though. Unless people want to
 make their behaviour saner, too ;).

 I wouldn't mind making myself behave saner. :)

 As we're at it: I forgot to mention that the Blob project is still alive
 and got some rejuvenation in the last days by making the unit tests
 almost run on windows. (One problem with packing). So upgrading the ZODB
 would be another step.

 Something that I imagine could happen alongside the eggification is to
 do a kind of spring cleaning and check for the modules that won't be
 core-modules in the future - and decide how people will be able to still
 use them.
 
 Yup.
 
 There are some things in zope.app (e.g. workflow, externaleditor,
 zopetop, module, schemacontent) that aren't shipped with a Zope 3
 install and don't seem to be maintained anymore. I suggest that if
 no-one steps up for them they will simply be deleted.
 
 There are also some things in zope.app that may be maintained but never
 shipped. These things don't really belong in zope.app, IMO (boston,
 homefolder, styleguide, css) and should probably be moved out.
 Discussions with their individual authors/maintainers will be necessary.

I agree on that. I'll put that on the prospective feature list so we
don't forget about it.

Christian

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