RE: Any Success Running 4D v13.6 on Win 10 Pro?

[Lo via 4D_Tech]

Hi Ken

Standalone 4D.
Standard server - client
Both fine.
Not used a built server I'm afraid.

All 4D versions from 2003 up work under Win 10 for me.
Along with most Windows server versions. Not tried them all.
Some older plug in issues.
Some need DEP setting, but that caused 4D to fail to start entirely - no error 
message.
Some UI issues in older versions but nothing serious.

Best
Lo

-Original Message-
From: 4D_Tech <4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com> On Behalf Of Ken Eyring via 4D_Tech
Sent: 19 January 2021 15:47
To: 4d_tech@lists.4d.com
Cc: Ken Eyring 
Subject: Any Success Running 4D v13.6 on Win 10 Pro?

I'm trying to help out a user of a 4D v13.6 Built Server.  They upgraded from 
Win 7 to Win 10 Pro without asking - and the built server will not run.

Ken Geiger said he believed 4D v13 and Win 10 Pro were not compatible. 
Thanks Ken!

Before I tell the end user that they need to either upgrade their 4D 
application or revert back to Win 7... Has anyone had success running
v13.6 on Win 10 Pro?

Thanks,
Ken

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RE: PING of life...

[Lo via 4D_Tech]

Well, if Lahav Isn't here then that is good enough for me.
I'm not here either...
Always like to hang out with the cool old timers.

Love and kisses
Lo

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I'm not on here, so I wouldn't know 😊, and Jörg, carful with labeling us 
dinosaur/old timers, we are just well seasoned.

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RE: 4D Friday Happy Hour on ZOOM

[Lo via 4D_Tech]

Indeed.
Wayne reminded me the other day that this was 4 years ago on the road trip to 
Portland by sending a picture of the golden gate.
Is was great to see you then and I hope to do so again soon.
Can't make tonight I'm afraid, but if it works, and you go again...

Have fun and I send my best wishes to all.

Love and kisses
Lo

-Original Message-

Lo!
I was thinking about you the other day - recalling you stopping by in '16.


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RE: 4D Friday Happy Hour on ZOOM

[Lo via 4D_Tech]

Hi Kirk

Yes, some people are just born one beer below normal.
Plenty of time to get that sorted...

Love and kisses
Lo

> Damn - it's that off-by-one problem again...


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RE: 4D World Tour ... Way more than your moneysworth

[Lo via 4D_Tech]

Well said Pat

Having been a 4D developer for 30 odd years I've been to several of JPRs 
training sessions and always come away having learnt something valuable.
Well wort the cost.

On the train home from the London World Tour I re-designed our old record 
change auditing system.
Entities and ORDA.
Going to be much simpler to use and easier to maintain.
Can't wait to build it.

Love and kisses
Lo

Just do it.


-Original Message-

My head is buzzing with ideas and information following the World Tour training 
day with JPR in sunny London. If you are serious about your work and it isn't 
too late for you, you need to go!

OH BUT IT COSTS MONEY

Yes, it does cost a little. Probably somewhat less than you charge for a day's 
work.

Find out what is so great about ORDA. And Collections. And Objects. And other 
4D stuff.

In addition to the training you get a USB stick full of excellent, 
well-documented demo databases that JPR and other 4D gurus have put a lot of 
time and effort into creating. They contain code and forms that you can use in 
your own 4D apps - these are well worth the cost of the training.

You also get:

- a bottomless coffee/tea pot
- plenty of snacks
- a decent lunch
- a chance to meet your 4D reps
- a chance to meet some of your fellow developers

JUST DO IT! (if you haven't already missed your local event).

Pat

PS
No, I have not been hired by the 4D PR team :)


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RE: Roy (Suzi) McGregor Paterson R.I.P

[Lo via 4D_Tech]

Hi Tom

Close...
It was a Beaver.
Skipping obvious comment that would get me kicked off the list!

As I recall Roy was not the only one grinning.
We all enjoyed the red carpet press reception on our return to the hotel.
Although Roy did insist it was for some old queen or another.

Not many characters like Roy-Suzi.
Many of us will miss her.

Love and kisses
Lo


-
Sad news indeed. I met Roy at the Vancouver Summit where he convinced a few of 
us to take a plane ride on a de Havilland Otter to Vancouver Island. He grinned 
like a kid having ice cream for the first time.

My condolences to her friends and family.

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RE: SFTP

[Lo via 4D_Tech]

Thank you Gentlemen.
Spot on, as always.

Best
Lo


-Original Message-
From: 4D_Tech <4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com> On Behalf Of Keisuke Miyako via 
4D_Tech
Sent: 04 August 2018 23:16
To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Cc: Keisuke Miyako 
Subject: Re: SFTP

for SFTP:

https://github.com/miyako/4d-plugin-curl-ftp

2018/08/05 0:56、Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:for SFTP  
https://github.com/miyako/4d-plugin-curl/blob/master/README.md



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SFTP

[Lo via 4D_Tech]

Dear friends

I am of course very dense so please excuse a question I'm sure has been 
answered before.

Any way of transferring files using SFTP in native 4D?
IC have FTP commands, can these use SFTP? Doesn't seem to work for me.
Or any other hints?

OS : Windows
4D : any version that works

Many thanks
Love and kisses
Lo
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RE: picture of a form

[Lo via 4D_Tech]

Glasses? What are glasses?
And why did I come in here?

Love and kisses
Lo
Very senior programmer and surgical support.

If I get thrown off the list at least it won't be for swearing.

-Original Message-

Now if only I could remember where my glasses are.

Randy

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Senior Programmer and Customer Support

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RE: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Lo via 4D_Tech]

Hi Kirk

Lots of options.
And lots of cost options, of course!

I support customers in far flung places (From the UK) and have done so for some 
time.
Half way around the world, and often with very limited bandwidth.

Various products over the years, but TeamViewer for the last many.
Yes, it costs, but it get what you pay for.
So, depending on your need, and pricing model?
Costs me nothing. That's what customers are for.

Solid, reliable, and good performance on slightly dicky connections.

Love and kisses
Lo

Yes, Oxford comma...
I'm that old.


-Original Message-
From: 4D_Tech <4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com> On Behalf Of Kirk Brooks via 
4D_Tech
Sent: 15 July 2018 21:27
To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Cc: Kirk Brooks 
Subject: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was OK 
at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for 
something else.

Suggestions?

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Kirk Brooks
San Francisco, CA
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RE: Clean Slate - Modern User Experience.

[Lo via 4D_Tech]

Hi Chaps

Thanks Peter and Tim.
4D UI - spaghetti soup I sometimes bump into...
Often hard...

>> Things to avoid:
>> 
>> Ambiguity (e.g. colour coded text)

> This is a good point because there are more color blind people out there than 
> you know. More men are color blind than women. So always include a style like 
> bold or italic or underline with a color so the color blind user is not left 
> out.

And in this part of the world we even have people who are colour blind - but 
they can spell 😊
People of northern European origin: about 8% of men will be red/green colour 
blind.
This also varies by race of course - Colour blindness is almost unknown in the 
Inuit people. But I suppose they see mostly white anyway.
And how often do we see coloured text? Green = good,  Red =  bad? Too often I 
suggest.
I'd also suggest we all give a thought to text size.
I've seen far too many 4D systems with text I can't read easily. Remember the 
fat old men! A demographic I, and a few others on this list, belong to.
It's perhaps more common from Mac based developers deploying on PCs? An 
historic difference between the two platforms?


>> Redundancy (e.g. buttons with both an icon AND a label)

> I disagree on this. I think it is best to include a label with an icon. Just 
> because it is obvious to you what the icon means doesn’t mean a new user will 
> have the same understanding. One or 2 words next to an icon makes the 
> function obvious to new users. And the experienced user will ignore the label 
> and their > eyes will naturally focus on the icon image. They don’t even see 
> the label anymore.

I'm with Tim on this one.
For redundancy read dis-ambiguity (is that even a word).
Iconography is culture bound. What may seem obvious to you may be obscure, or 
even worse, have a different meaning, in a different cultural context.
We have a system we have deployed in various parts of the world, and I've had 
questions about the meanings of a few icons I thought were self-explanatory 
from some of our middle-east customers.
I've no idea how these would work in the far-east!

I'm sure we all have a section on the bookshelves with a 'work' section?
Code complete...
Pragmatic programmer...
Et al...

For UI?
Title: Understanding Comics
Author: Scott McCloud
For comics read graphic/picture/icon...
Yes, it's a big comic about comics, but UI should be fun?

Love and kisses
Lo

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