Re: Preferences Menu Item on macOS
Jeff: Agreed. -- Douglas von Roeder 949-336-2902 On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 2:03 PM Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > I'm guessing so... It used to be called Preferences which made more sense. > > > > On Aug 15, 2018, at 5:00 PM, Douglas von Roeder > wrote: > > > > "databaseSettings" = "Preferences"? > > > > After reading the footnotes, I see how you can get there from here. > > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Preferences Menu Item on macOS
Chip: Understood. I was searching on "preferences" and "preferences menu item" but came up empty handed. There weren't any changes needed for this app in the area of standard actions (except for Preferences, of course) but the idea of not including a mention of "Preferences" is head-thuddingly frustrating. Perhaps some tech support person will do a knowledge base entry on this. -- Douglas von Roeder 949-336-2902 On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 2:00 PM Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> wrote: > using Preview searched for (literal) > "standard Action" > ** quotes included > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:55:15 -0700, Douglas von Roeder wrote: > > Chip: > > > > I do appreciate you taking the time to research that. > > > > -- > > Douglas von Roeder > > 949-336-2902 > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:38 PM Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> > > wrote: > > > >> no idea :) > >> > >> I just checked a system I had open which uses both of these features. > >> > >> I looked for you :) > >> v13 language reference - references to 'standard actions': > >> Page 603 - Standard actions and methods associated with menu commands > >> Page 629 - Set menu bar > >> Page 635 - SET MENU ITEM PROPERTY > >> Page 1704 - Value for Associated Standard Action (Konstants) > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:13:14 -0700, Douglas von Roeder wrote: > >>> Chip: > >>> > >>> Well whaddya know! Super. Thank you. > >>> > >>> > >>> I looked through the "Associated Standard Action" but saw nothing for > >>> preferences. > >>> > >>> Any chance you know where that's documented? I checked the knowledge > base > >>> and the docs and did keyword searches for both but came up empty. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Douglas von Roeder > >>> 949-336-2902 > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:02 PM Chip Scheide < > 4d_o...@pghrepository.org> > >>> wrote: > >>> > In the menu editor: > Associated Standard Action > > Database settings - for preferences > Quit - for your Quit menu item > > > Database settings : places the preference in the application menu on > Mac and at the bottom of the Edit menu on Windows (this is the default > location for windows) > > Quit : places the quit menu into the application menu on Mac, and file > menu on Windows > > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:55:09 -0700, Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech > wrote: > > After a 15 year hiatus, I'm working with 4D on the Mac and I'm > >> flummoxed > on > > how to deal with the dueling Preferences menu items. > > > > When running on macOS, the application menu has a preferences menu > item > as > > does the File menu. > > > > How do I what do I have to do so that I have one Preferences menu > item > > while running on macOS and yet have a functioning Preferences menu > >> items > > when running on Windows? > > > > -- > > Douglas von Roeder > > 949-336-2902 > > > ** > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > > > ** > --- > Gas is for washing parts > Alcohol is for drinkin' > Nitromethane is for racing > > >> --- > >> Gas is for washing parts > >> Alcohol is for drinkin' > >> Nitromethane is for racing > >> > --- > Gas is for washing parts > Alcohol is for drinkin' > Nitromethane is for racing > ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Preferences Menu Item on macOS
I'm guessing so... It used to be called Preferences which made more sense. > On Aug 15, 2018, at 5:00 PM, Douglas von Roeder wrote: > > "databaseSettings" = "Preferences"? > > After reading the footnotes, I see how you can get there from here. ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Preferences Menu Item on macOS
Jeff: "databaseSettings" = "Preferences"? After reading the footnotes, I see how you *can* get there from here. Thank you for sending that link. -- Douglas von Roeder 949-336-2902 On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:45 PM Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > Here's the v17 list -- note that the constants have changed, and the > backward-compatible constants seem to be causing problems. Make sure you > change any existing ones to the new "ak ..." constants. > > > http://doc.4d.com/4Dv17R2/4D/17-R2.1720/Standard-actions.300-3839558.en.html > > > > > On Aug 15, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech < > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > > > no idea :) > > > > I just checked a system I had open which uses both of these features. > > > > I looked for you :) > > v13 language reference - references to 'standard actions': > > Page 603 - Standard actions and methods associated with menu commands > > Page 629 - Set menu bar > > Page 635 - SET MENU ITEM PROPERTY > > Page 1704 - Value for Associated Standard Action (Konstants) > > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Preferences Menu Item on macOS
using Preview searched for (literal) "standard Action" ** quotes included On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:55:15 -0700, Douglas von Roeder wrote: > Chip: > > I do appreciate you taking the time to research that. > > -- > Douglas von Roeder > 949-336-2902 > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:38 PM Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> > wrote: > >> no idea :) >> >> I just checked a system I had open which uses both of these features. >> >> I looked for you :) >> v13 language reference - references to 'standard actions': >> Page 603 - Standard actions and methods associated with menu commands >> Page 629 - Set menu bar >> Page 635 - SET MENU ITEM PROPERTY >> Page 1704 - Value for Associated Standard Action (Konstants) >> >> >> On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:13:14 -0700, Douglas von Roeder wrote: >>> Chip: >>> >>> Well whaddya know! Super. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> I looked through the "Associated Standard Action" but saw nothing for >>> preferences. >>> >>> Any chance you know where that's documented? I checked the knowledge base >>> and the docs and did keyword searches for both but came up empty. >>> >>> -- >>> Douglas von Roeder >>> 949-336-2902 >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:02 PM Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> >>> wrote: >>> In the menu editor: Associated Standard Action Database settings - for preferences Quit - for your Quit menu item Database settings : places the preference in the application menu on Mac and at the bottom of the Edit menu on Windows (this is the default location for windows) Quit : places the quit menu into the application menu on Mac, and file menu on Windows On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:55:09 -0700, Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech wrote: > After a 15 year hiatus, I'm working with 4D on the Mac and I'm >> flummoxed on > how to deal with the dueling Preferences menu items. > > When running on macOS, the application menu has a preferences menu item as > does the File menu. > > How do I what do I have to do so that I have one Preferences menu item > while running on macOS and yet have a functioning Preferences menu >> items > when running on Windows? > > -- > Douglas von Roeder > 949-336-2902 > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** --- Gas is for washing parts Alcohol is for drinkin' Nitromethane is for racing >> --- >> Gas is for washing parts >> Alcohol is for drinkin' >> Nitromethane is for racing >> --- Gas is for washing parts Alcohol is for drinkin' Nitromethane is for racing ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Preferences Menu Item on macOS
Chip: I do appreciate you taking the time to research that. -- Douglas von Roeder 949-336-2902 On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:38 PM Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> wrote: > no idea :) > > I just checked a system I had open which uses both of these features. > > I looked for you :) > v13 language reference - references to 'standard actions': > Page 603 - Standard actions and methods associated with menu commands > Page 629 - Set menu bar > Page 635 - SET MENU ITEM PROPERTY > Page 1704 - Value for Associated Standard Action (Konstants) > > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:13:14 -0700, Douglas von Roeder wrote: > > Chip: > > > > Well whaddya know! Super. Thank you. > > > > > > I looked through the "Associated Standard Action" but saw nothing for > > preferences. > > > > Any chance you know where that's documented? I checked the knowledge base > > and the docs and did keyword searches for both but came up empty. > > > > -- > > Douglas von Roeder > > 949-336-2902 > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:02 PM Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> > > wrote: > > > >> In the menu editor: > >> Associated Standard Action > >> > >> Database settings - for preferences > >> Quit - for your Quit menu item > >> > >> > >> Database settings : places the preference in the application menu on > >> Mac and at the bottom of the Edit menu on Windows (this is the default > >> location for windows) > >> > >> Quit : places the quit menu into the application menu on Mac, and file > >> menu on Windows > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:55:09 -0700, Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech > >> wrote: > >>> After a 15 year hiatus, I'm working with 4D on the Mac and I'm > flummoxed > >> on > >>> how to deal with the dueling Preferences menu items. > >>> > >>> When running on macOS, the application menu has a preferences menu item > >> as > >>> does the File menu. > >>> > >>> How do I what do I have to do so that I have one Preferences menu item > >>> while running on macOS and yet have a functioning Preferences menu > items > >>> when running on Windows? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Douglas von Roeder > >>> 949-336-2902 > >>> ** > >>> 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > >>> Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > >>> Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > >>> Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > >>> ** > >> --- > >> Gas is for washing parts > >> Alcohol is for drinkin' > >> Nitromethane is for racing > >> > --- > Gas is for washing parts > Alcohol is for drinkin' > Nitromethane is for racing > ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Preferences Menu Item on macOS
Here's the v17 list -- note that the constants have changed, and the backward-compatible constants seem to be causing problems. Make sure you change any existing ones to the new "ak ..." constants. http://doc.4d.com/4Dv17R2/4D/17-R2.1720/Standard-actions.300-3839558.en.html > On Aug 15, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > no idea :) > > I just checked a system I had open which uses both of these features. > > I looked for you :) > v13 language reference - references to 'standard actions': > Page 603 - Standard actions and methods associated with menu commands > Page 629 - Set menu bar > Page 635 - SET MENU ITEM PROPERTY > Page 1704 - Value for Associated Standard Action (Konstants) ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Preferences Menu Item on macOS
no idea :) I just checked a system I had open which uses both of these features. I looked for you :) v13 language reference - references to 'standard actions': Page 603 - Standard actions and methods associated with menu commands Page 629 - Set menu bar Page 635 - SET MENU ITEM PROPERTY Page 1704 - Value for Associated Standard Action (Konstants) On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:13:14 -0700, Douglas von Roeder wrote: > Chip: > > Well whaddya know! Super. Thank you. > > > I looked through the "Associated Standard Action" but saw nothing for > preferences. > > Any chance you know where that's documented? I checked the knowledge base > and the docs and did keyword searches for both but came up empty. > > -- > Douglas von Roeder > 949-336-2902 > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:02 PM Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> > wrote: > >> In the menu editor: >> Associated Standard Action >> >> Database settings - for preferences >> Quit - for your Quit menu item >> >> >> Database settings : places the preference in the application menu on >> Mac and at the bottom of the Edit menu on Windows (this is the default >> location for windows) >> >> Quit : places the quit menu into the application menu on Mac, and file >> menu on Windows >> >> >> On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:55:09 -0700, Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech >> wrote: >>> After a 15 year hiatus, I'm working with 4D on the Mac and I'm flummoxed >> on >>> how to deal with the dueling Preferences menu items. >>> >>> When running on macOS, the application menu has a preferences menu item >> as >>> does the File menu. >>> >>> How do I what do I have to do so that I have one Preferences menu item >>> while running on macOS and yet have a functioning Preferences menu items >>> when running on Windows? >>> >>> -- >>> Douglas von Roeder >>> 949-336-2902 >>> ** >>> 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) >>> Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html >>> Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech >>> Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com >>> ** >> --- >> Gas is for washing parts >> Alcohol is for drinkin' >> Nitromethane is for racing >> --- Gas is for washing parts Alcohol is for drinkin' Nitromethane is for racing ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Preferences Menu Item on macOS
Chip: Well whaddya know! Super. Thank you. I looked through the "Associated Standard Action" but saw nothing for preferences. Any chance you know where that's documented? I checked the knowledge base and the docs and did keyword searches for both but came up empty. -- Douglas von Roeder 949-336-2902 On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:02 PM Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> wrote: > In the menu editor: > Associated Standard Action > > Database settings - for preferences > Quit - for your Quit menu item > > > Database settings : places the preference in the application menu on > Mac and at the bottom of the Edit menu on Windows (this is the default > location for windows) > > Quit : places the quit menu into the application menu on Mac, and file > menu on Windows > > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:55:09 -0700, Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech > wrote: > > After a 15 year hiatus, I'm working with 4D on the Mac and I'm flummoxed > on > > how to deal with the dueling Preferences menu items. > > > > When running on macOS, the application menu has a preferences menu item > as > > does the File menu. > > > > How do I what do I have to do so that I have one Preferences menu item > > while running on macOS and yet have a functioning Preferences menu items > > when running on Windows? > > > > -- > > Douglas von Roeder > > 949-336-2902 > > ** > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > > ** > --- > Gas is for washing parts > Alcohol is for drinkin' > Nitromethane is for racing > ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Preferences Menu Item on macOS
In the menu editor: Associated Standard Action Database settings - for preferences Quit - for your Quit menu item Database settings : places the preference in the application menu on Mac and at the bottom of the Edit menu on Windows (this is the default location for windows) Quit : places the quit menu into the application menu on Mac, and file menu on Windows On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:55:09 -0700, Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech wrote: > After a 15 year hiatus, I'm working with 4D on the Mac and I'm flummoxed on > how to deal with the dueling Preferences menu items. > > When running on macOS, the application menu has a preferences menu item as > does the File menu. > > How do I what do I have to do so that I have one Preferences menu item > while running on macOS and yet have a functioning Preferences menu items > when running on Windows? > > -- > Douglas von Roeder > 949-336-2902 > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** --- Gas is for washing parts Alcohol is for drinkin' Nitromethane is for racing ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Preferences Menu Item on macOS
After a 15 year hiatus, I'm working with 4D on the Mac and I'm flummoxed on how to deal with the dueling Preferences menu items. When running on macOS, the application menu has a preferences menu item as does the File menu. How do I what do I have to do so that I have one Preferences menu item while running on macOS and yet have a functioning Preferences menu items when running on Windows? -- Douglas von Roeder 949-336-2902 ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
