Re: Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-13 Thread Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech
Oh come on know many are still around it is just that the circumference has changed Chuck Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306 Informed Solutions, Inc. Fax: (617) 232-1064 mailto:cjmillerinfor

Re: Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-12 Thread bob.miller--- via 4D_Tech
RE> The people I meant to write to know perfectly well my history and what I'm talking about - and know that it's form a quarter of a century ago. (By now, virtually no one from those days is even around.) David, Virtually no one? Really? Come back to the US for the next Summit and you'll se

Re: ​Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-11 Thread David Adams via 4D_Tech
Hey Kirk, thanks for the thoughtful post. And, just for the record, I'm not a CS guy. I was an English major and have never taken any sort of CS class. But i'm good at learning on my own. On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > David, > Interesti

Re: ​Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-11 Thread David Adams via 4D_Tech
I just wanted to post something about my post. In a word: D'oh! I woke up this morning to realize that I'd posted my message to the list, which wasn't what I intended. I meant to post it to a bunch of old-timers I stay in touch with when I need a grumble. I've mis-posted tings on various lists dow

Re: ​Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-11 Thread Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
David, Interesting initial post - like marmalade on a flakey croissant, a little sweet and a little bitter. I've hammered a similar nail before: what is 4D's vision of itself? What is the target market? Why does such a fabulous product remain so unknown? Why isn't there better documentation? Let's

Re: Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-11 Thread David Adams via 4D_Tech
I just wanted to post something about my post. In a word: D'oh! I woke up this morning to realize that I'd posted my message to the NUG, which wasn't what I intended. I meant to post it to a bunch of old-timers I stay in touch with when I need a grumble. I've mis-posted tings on various lists down

Re: ​Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-11 Thread David Adams via 4D_Tech
Steve, Wow! Thank you so, so much for your beautiful post. I loved it all, and I think that your assessment is pretty much right on the money on all counts. And, yes, I am a very quick typist ;-) I am also sleeping great these days, but thanks for your concern there. I grew up in an environment I

Re: ​Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-11 Thread steve simpson via 4D_Tech
> > From: David Adams > > For anyone that's seen me on the forums in recent months, let's just > say...what I'm doing isn't working. I keep raising what I think are pretty > basic issues and I just end up with a ton of heat back from 4D and not a > lot of information. It's exhausting and renews my

Someone help me out, how do you get good information out of 4D

2017-07-11 Thread David Adams via 4D_Tech
For anyone that's seen me on the forums in recent months, let's just say...what I'm doing isn't working. I keep raising what I think are pretty basic issues and I just end up with a ton of heat back from 4D and not a lot of information. It's exhausting and renews my disgust. It's possible that I'm