Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-29 Thread Bakul Shah
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:00:49 PDT errno er...@cox.net wrote: Though I don't understand why folks around here complain about linux so often and so vehemently, when the only reason why you're complaining is because you _need_ linux... to furnish all the things you can't do with plan 9 -

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-29 Thread errno
On Thursday, April 28, 2011 08:03:23 PM erik quanstrom wrote: Though I don't understand why folks around here complain about linux so often and so vehemently, when the only reason why you're complaining is because you _need_ linux... to furnish all the things you can't do with plan 9 -

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-29 Thread andrey mirtchovski
clean, multi-purpose, general-use operating platform for an ad-hoc, rapidly (d)evolving, messy industry/market/society here: http://mirtchovski.com/p9/canthave.png

Re: [9fans] dns SRV records

2011-04-29 Thread Sergey Zhilkin
Greate example ! :) Thanks :) 2011/4/29 Benjamin Huntsman bhunts...@mail2.cu-portland.edu: Investigating the possibility of replacing the MS DNS on Plan9 DNS,not found in the man ndb mention of records of type SRV. It is necessary to support Microsoft Active Directory. Maybe I missed something?

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-29 Thread Charles Forsyth
[1] For those gnashing teeth over glibc - might want to check out musl libc.  It's no plan 9 libc, but it's definitely less worse than glibc. ``News: As of version 0.7.7, musl has been successfully bootstrapped by a third-party system integrator.'' hmm. they had to do more than just compile

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-29 Thread Charles Forsyth
complaining is because you _need_ linux... to furnish all the things you can't do with plan 9 - either personally, or within your organization. it's true, but at least i haven't got to run either Windows or MacOS. the underlying problem is that the things we might simply import (mainly

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-29 Thread dexen deVries
On Friday 29 of April 2011 11:18:26 Charles Forsyth wrote: complaining is because you _need_ linux... to furnish all the things you can't do with plan 9 - either personally, or within your organization. it's true, but at least i haven't got to run either Windows or MacOS. the underlying

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-29 Thread Charles Forsyth
let's abstract away differences between platforms but they don't `abstract away': they enumerate them.

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-29 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:12:55AM +0200, dexen deVries wrote: qmake (Qt's makefile generator) is mostly reasonable IMHO. consists of one program (the qmake) which reads a rather simple project description (myapp.pro) plus a bunch of platform description files

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-29 Thread dexen deVries
On Friday 29 of April 2011 11:44:31 tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: I don't know if there are black holes in the nature. But for sure mob programming has managed to create computer ones; projects so bloated that they are absorbing all the resources around with an emitted service dimming more and

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-29 Thread errno
On Friday, April 29, 2011 02:04:26 AM Charles Forsyth wrote: [1] For those gnashing teeth over glibc - might want to check out musl libc. It's no plan 9 libc, but it's definitely less worse than glibc. ``News: As of version 0.7.7, musl has been successfully bootstrapped by a third-party

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-29 Thread Jacob Todd
On Apr 29, 2011 6:21 AM, errno er...@cox.net wrote: On Friday, April 29, 2011 02:04:26 AM Charles Forsyth wrote: [1] For those gnashing teeth over glibc - might want to check out musl libc. It's no plan 9 libc, but it's definitely less worse than glibc. ``News: As of version 0.7.7,

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-29 Thread erik quanstrom
But then again, why would anyone want a fully functional web experience on Plan 9 - what would be the purpose? Apparently nobody does, otherwise it'd be implemented already. that's not logical. and from another post Until then, complaining about de-facto linux bloat is a lot like

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 GSoC projects selected

2011-04-29 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 27 Apr 2011, at 6:47 pm, Anthony Sorace wrote: • Unification of X11 code and wsys device, by Jesús Galán López [1] [...] [1] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/ gsoc2011/yiyus/1 I'm a bit curious about this one but all I get from the link is This proposal is

[9fans] lenovo or other laptop support

2011-04-29 Thread EBo
I remember hearing that some of the lenovo's thinkpads have good plan 9 support. Does anyone have a list of laptop models that are known to work with at least the basics (video, net, and maybe even sound)? Thanks, EBo --

Re: [9fans] dns SRV records

2011-04-29 Thread Sergey Kornilovich
I took your example without any changes. But unfortunately it still does not return the correct value of srv hostname ... For example: C:\Documents and Settings\Administratornslookup Default Server: rit.com Address: 192.168.0.190 server 192.168.0.193 set q=srv _ldap._tcp.testad.test.local

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 GSoC projects selected

2011-04-29 Thread yy
2011/4/29 Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm: On 27 Apr 2011, at 6:47 pm, Anthony Sorace wrote: • Unification of X11 code and wsys device, by Jesús Galán López [1] [...] [1] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/yiyus/1 I'm a bit curious about this one

Re: [9fans] spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)

2011-04-29 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 28 Apr 2011, at 1:11 pm, Digby Tarvin wrote: On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:58:01AM +0200, Peter A. Cejchan wrote: spaces in filenames.. does not it break the rules?? Who actually needs them?? Well, for one thing it's much more natural to type a space than a hyphen or an underscore. For

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 GSoC projects selected

2011-04-29 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 29 Apr 2011, at 2:22 pm, yy wrote: You can read a short abstract here: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2011/yiyus/22001 The main idea is to avoid the duplication of xlib dependent code in inferno, p9p, 9vx and drawterm and write a wsys device to use the window manager

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 GSoC projects selected

2011-04-29 Thread Anthony Sorace
On Apr 29, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On 27 Apr 2011, at 6:47 pm, Anthony Sorace wrote: • Unification of X11 code and wsys device, by Jesús Galán López [1] [...] [1] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/yiyus/1 I'm a bit curious

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-29 Thread Jeff Sickel
On Apr 29, 2011, at 4:54 AM, dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.com wrote: at any rate, `code removed is code debugged' is very true, but that's not something easily put on CV or boasted to friends. An alternative version, `deleted code is debugged code', has been used very successfully by

Re: [9fans] spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)

2011-04-29 Thread erik quanstrom
Parsing the output of programs which return filenames is the only common case where I see any complexity from spaces, and then the complexity only consists of setting and reverting $ifs. Granted that could be smoother still, especially where you want a big file list in for(). be

Re: [9fans] lenovo or other laptop support

2011-04-29 Thread ron minnich
we've had good luck recently with x300 and x61 ron

Re: [9fans] lenovo or other laptop support

2011-04-29 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:31 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: we've had good luck recently with x300 and x61 ron x201 tablet also works. John

Re: [9fans] spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)

2011-04-29 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 29 Apr 2011, at 3:00 pm, erik quanstrom wrote: Parsing the output of programs which return filenames is the only common case where I see any complexity from spaces, and then the complexity only consists of setting and reverting $ifs. Granted that could be smoother still, especially where

Re: [9fans] spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)

2011-04-29 Thread erik quanstrom
I always change it back immediately; a nuisance in for() as it has to be set before and re-set inside. I'm considering whether a new shell builtin would be desirable, similar to ` but always splitting on newlines and only newlines, regardless of $ifs. this is one thing that byron understood

Re: [9fans] lenovo or other laptop support

2011-04-29 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
everything but the wifi works on T61p and X200. -Skip On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:43 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:31 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: we've had good luck recently with x300 and x61 ron x201 tablet also works. John

[9fans] An acme question

2011-04-29 Thread Bakul Shah
Here's something for a brief respite from linux bashing In acme, at present a single click positions the cursor, a double click selects either the word under the cursor or the entire line, depending on the cursor position. What I would like to do is to the change logic as follows: If you

Re: [9fans] An acme question

2011-04-29 Thread ron minnich
It sort of does that now, if you double click to (e.g.) immediately to the right of { or the left of } it selects the block, multi-line or not. Is this sufficient for you or did I miss something? ron

Re: [9fans] An acme question

2011-04-29 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: Here's something for a brief respite from linux bashing In acme, at present a single click positions the cursor, a double click selects either the word under the cursor or the entire line, depending on the cursor

Re: [9fans] An acme question

2011-04-29 Thread Bakul Shah
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:16:17 PDT ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: It sort of does that now, if you double click to (e.g.) immediately to the right of { or the left of } it selects the block, multi-line or not. Is this sufficient for you or did I miss something? It is not quite what I

Re: [9fans] An acme question

2011-04-29 Thread Bakul Shah
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:28:06 PDT John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: Acme can already do most of those things, except that when you double click on the space between two words (foo bar). Since you can't really click on a character, rather you can only click between two characters, it ends

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-29 Thread Iruatã Souza
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:19 AM, errno er...@cox.net wrote: so I'm just speculating.) really? no one has noticed.

Re: [9fans] spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)

2011-04-29 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:17 -0400, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: I always change it back immediately; a nuisance in for() as it has to be set before and re-set inside. I'm considering whether a new shell builtin would be desirable, similar to ` but always splitting on

Re: [9fans] An acme question

2011-04-29 Thread smiley
Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com writes: Example: given { fee [({ foo bar}) [and so on]] } 1 2 3456 7 Double clicking at 1 selects foo, at 2 or 3 selects the phrase { foo bar}, at 4 selects the phrase ({ foo bar}), at 5 selects the phrase [({ foo bar}) [and so on]],

Re: [9fans] An acme question

2011-04-29 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:39 PM, smi...@zenzebra.mv.com wrote: Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com writes: Example: given { fee [({ foo bar}) [and so on]] }            1 2   3456           7 Double clicking at 1 selects foo, at 2 or 3 selects the phrase { foo bar}, at 4 selects the phrase ({

Re: [9fans] lenovo or other laptop support

2011-04-29 Thread geoff
The T410 mostly works: ethernet, (vesa) video, lower-speed usb. It has two EHCI controllers and that seems to interfere with high-speed usb so far. Haven't tried wifi but I wouldn't expect it to work.

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 GSoC projects selected

2011-04-29 Thread errno
On Friday, April 29, 2011 05:43:21 AM Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On 27 Apr 2011, at 6:47 pm, Anthony Sorace wrote: • Unification of X11 code and wsys device, by Jesús Galán López [1] [...] [1] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/ gsoc2011/yiyus/1 I'm a bit

Re: [9fans] spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)

2011-04-29 Thread smiley
erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net writes: within the {} ? I guess that risks breaking any scripts you might want to run as cmd, so yeah, the 3rd looks good. i implemented the 3d this evening in a compatable way with Traditional Rc. there's an argument that it's not completely Did you

Re: [9fans] spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)

2011-04-29 Thread andrey mirtchovski
Did you include an ability to split on the null string, to divide the data into individual characters/runes? /me crosses his fingers... | sed 's/(.)/\1 /g'

Re: [9fans] lenovo or other laptop support

2011-04-29 Thread Jeff Sickel
I've got a T23 that use to work great. The battery's definitely been a problem lately, but that's what wall warts are for! On Apr 29, 2011, at 6:46 PM, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: The T410 mostly works: ethernet, (vesa) video, lower-speed usb. It has two EHCI controllers and that seems

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-29 Thread errno
On Friday, April 29, 2011 05:21:12 AM Jacob Todd wrote: Seeing that plan 9 doesn't have a c++ compiler, i doubt it will ever be ported. But APE has c++ (old version of gcc though). I expect that a webkit (or gecko) port would need to rely on APE, right? I guess I'd have to start with the

Re: [9fans] lenovo or other laptop support

2011-04-29 Thread smiley
Jeff Sickel j...@corpus-callosum.com writes: I've got a T23 that use to work great. The battery's definitely been a problem lately, but that's what wall warts are for! I have a T23, and Plan 9 works OK on it, except that I need to boot with sdC0dma=1 and can't seem to figure out how to get

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

2011-04-29 Thread errno
On Friday, April 29, 2011 09:05:39 PM errno wrote: Yep, I'm aware of the vnc workaround... but, it's just the same as a native, or near-native approach. I meant: [...] but, it's just _not_ the same as a native approach.