Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-18 Thread hiro
perhaps high-efficiency wall warts could make up much of the difference. picked at random (first link) ... http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-AC-10U-Micro-USB-Efficiency-Charger/dp/B00DP0TQLG Given that the rpi has some weird power issues and without specification of the amperage of the charger

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-18 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri Jul 18 12:51:49 EDT 2014, 23h...@gmail.com wrote: perhaps high-efficiency wall warts could make up much of the difference. picked at random (first link) ... http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-AC-10U-Micro-USB-Efficiency-Charger/dp/B00DP0TQLG Given that the rpi has some weird power

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-18 Thread Bakul Shah
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:36:09 EDT erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Fri Jul 18 12:51:49 EDT 2014, 23h...@gmail.com wrote: perhaps high-efficiency wall warts could make up much of the difference. picked at random (first link) ...

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-17 Thread erik quanstrom
I've used ReadyNAS appliances at home for almost 10 years. The current product line is made up of low-power Atoms. I'm running a RAID5 across 4 500G enterprise SATA drives (that should indicate how old this unit is pretty well...) I have a wired network primarily in the rack in the office at

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-17 Thread erik quanstrom
My desire is to have one file server with auth server and any numbers of terminals which can also be used as cpu server (for drawterm). In this case the smallest config is a file server and a terminal/cpu server. Ken's file server is standallone and has special user space. Then can we add

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-17 Thread Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Steven Stallion sstall...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan vu3...@gmail.com wrote: I am very interested to use such a setup. Could you please add more about the setup? What hardware do you use for the NAS? Any scripts

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-17 Thread Bakul Shah
On Jul 17, 2014, at 9:56 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: i would think the same approach would work with fossil. of course one would need a more sophisticated solution than just wait forever, due to the tcp connection. There is no particular reason for it to be tcp given

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-17 Thread erik quanstrom
There is no particular reason for it to be tcp given lack of any authentication. The beauty of CAS is that it need not even talk to the same server but it is! even when venti and fossil are on the same machine. - erik

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-17 Thread Bakul Shah
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:14:01 PDT Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: On Jul 17, 2014, at 9:56 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: i would think the same approach would work with fossil. of course one would need a more sophisticated solution than just wait forever, due to

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-17 Thread erik quanstrom
So long as a server returns a block corresponding to its SHA1 score, you (the client) don't care whether it is the same server you wrote the original block to or another (and you can always verify the returned block). This opens up some but this isn't unique to content-addressed storage. as

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-17 Thread Bakul Shah
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 15:10:34 EDT erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: So long as a server returns a block corresponding to its SHA1 score, you (the client) don't care whether it is the same server you wrote the original block to or another (and you can always verify the returned

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-17 Thread cam
That was in an office environment. At home I use fossil+(plan9port)venti running on linux-based NAS. This ends up working very well for me since I have resources to spare on that machine. This also lets me backup my arenas via CrashPlan. I use a I am very interested to use such a setup.

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-16 Thread Steven Stallion
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:04 PM, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote: not a fair comparsion. Yes, I'd have been more specific. my intension was cwfs fossil+venti of 9atom fossil+venti labs. I did not consider kenfs itself, because I consider it should be file+auth+cpu server. The last is

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-16 Thread erik quanstrom
Recent kenfs can be such a machine? Please remember I plan it for my private home machine, not any sofisticated office use. i use ken's file server for personal use. i enjoy the fact that a cpu kernel panic does not impact the file server. - erik

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-16 Thread erik quanstrom
On Wed Jul 16 13:06:16 EDT 2014, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote: kenfs(of course 64 bit)+auth server +++9pi terminal/cpu server may be best for home use... i would go ahead and use to raspberry pi machines. having a dedicated cpu server is quite nice, and of course ken's file server is not an

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-16 Thread erik quanstrom
kenfs works well, but you have to be well prepared to maintain it. Invest in a decent UPS - preferably one that is supported by the auto-shutdown (ISTR support was added for that a while back). You need to be careful when sizing your cache - I would invest in a pair of decent SSDs for cache,

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-16 Thread kokamoto
i use ken's file server for personal use. i enjoy the fact that a cpu kernel panic does not impact the file server. My desire is to have one file server with auth server and any numbers of terminals which can also be used as cpu server (for drawterm). In this case the smallest config is a

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-16 Thread kokamoto
That was in an office environment. At home I use fossil+(plan9port)venti running on linux-based NAS. Do you use wireless LAN? If so you also need wireless bridge? The combination of NAS and venti sounds like charm, because the snmallest config is two machines. How about the power-eating of

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-16 Thread Steven Stallion
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 6:15 PM, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote: That was in an office environment. At home I use fossil+(plan9port)venti running on linux-based NAS. Do you use wireless LAN? If so you also need wireless bridge? The combination of NAS and venti sounds like charm, because

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-16 Thread Bakul Shah
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 19:29:43 CDT Steven Stallion sstall...@gmail.com wrote: I absolutely would not use wireless to connect fossil to venti (fossil does *not* cope well with the connection to venti dropping). To deal with this you can use a local venti proxy like

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-16 Thread Steven Stallion
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan vu3...@gmail.com wrote: I am very interested to use such a setup. Could you please add more about the setup? What hardware do you use for the NAS? Any scripts etc? Sure thing - I've copied everything you should need under

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-16 Thread john francis lee
Sorry, found it now. On 07/17/2014 07:31 AM, Steven Stallion wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Steven Stallion sstall...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 6:15 PM, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote: It just so happens I wrote a README at the time since it was non-obvious how to

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-16 Thread john francis lee
Not Found The resource could not be found. WSGI Server On 07/17/2014 07:29 AM, Steven Stallion wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 6:15 PM, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote: That was in an office environment. At home I use fossil+(plan9port)venti running on linux-based NAS. Do you use wireless

[9fans] file server speed

2014-07-15 Thread kokamoto
I've experienced three kinds of Plan9 file servers, Lab's one, 9atom and plan9front. I felt that the file server speed is 9front 9atom lab's. This is based on verious different machines for each. Is my feeling wrong, or hasve some base facts? This is to prepare the fastest file server on a

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-15 Thread Anthony Sorace
On Jul 15, 2014, at 2:13 , kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote: I've experienced three kinds of Plan9 file servers, Lab's one, 9atom and plan9front. Can you clarify which file server, specifically, you're comparing for each of these? The Labs doesn't distribute kenfs any more, and venti+fossil is

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-15 Thread cinap_lenrek
not a fair comparsion. i'd look into kenfs for a fileserver only machine. might require some time to get it to work with your hardware tho. -- cinap

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-15 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Jul 15 12:31:57 EDT 2014, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: not a fair comparsion. i'd look into kenfs for a fileserver only machine. might require some time to get it to work with your hardware tho. if you have a recent 64-bit intel machine, the hardware support should be nearly the

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-15 Thread kokamoto
not a fair comparsion. Yes, I'd have been more specific. my intension was cwfs fossil+venti of 9atom fossil+venti labs. I did not consider kenfs itself, because I consider it should be file+auth+cpu server. The last is not important, but for drawterm from others. Recent kenfs can be such a

Re: [9fans] file server speed

2014-07-15 Thread kokamoto
kenfs(of course 64 bit)+auth server +++9pi terminal/cpu server may be best for home use... Kenji

[9fans] file server uptime

2013-12-15 Thread erik quanstrom
i believe this is a personal record for any system at any time: plano: version 63-bit plano as of Thu Jan 6 13:20:07 EDT 2011 last boot Fri Jan 21 14:57:19 EDT 2011 - erik

Re: [9fans] file server uptime

2013-12-15 Thread Steven Stallion
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:27 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: i believe this is a personal record for any system at any time: plano: version 63-bit plano as of Thu Jan 6 13:20:07 EDT 2011 last boot Fri Jan 21 14:57:19 EDT 2011 Pish. Plano is

Re: [9fans] file server design documentation

2012-12-22 Thread Charles Forsyth
I don't think either of those is a special rule, or undocumented. Indeed, I can't think of any behaviour that isn't covered in section 5. Following an attach, you're at the root, and a walk with no qids will leave you there, so stat will just work, although I don't know anything that relies on

Re: [9fans] file server design documentation

2012-12-22 Thread erik quanstrom
Following an attach, you're at the root, and a walk with no qids will leave you there, so stat will just work, although I don't know anything that relies on that. cclone(). - erik

Re: [9fans] file server design documentation

2012-12-22 Thread Charles Forsyth
Sorry, I was unclear, I meant stat( ...) On 22 December 2012 15:59, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: , although I don't know anything that relies on that.

[9fans] file server design documentation

2012-12-21 Thread steve
hi, I writing another non-disc file server after a gap of a few years and am making mistakes. is there a written spec of how its supposed to work? For example: the initial stat of a zero length name should return the Dir of the root dir. and a walk up to the root directory tells mount driver

Re: [9fans] file server design documentation

2012-12-21 Thread Gorka Guardiola
I normally use a combination of running iostats and ramfs with debugging and reading again and again intro(5). HTH. G. On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:23 PM, steve st...@quintile.net wrote: hi, I writing another non-disc file server after a gap of a few years and am making mistakes. is there a

Re: [9fans] file server design documentation

2012-12-21 Thread Nemo
IIRC, I think I wrote something about that in the 9.intro book. But it's likely you already know all that's written there and you want more details… On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:23 PM, steve st...@quintile.net wrote: hi, I writing another non-disc file server after a gap of a few years and am

Re: [9fans] file server design documentation

2012-12-21 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
I like to 1+ this comment :) On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Gorka Guardiola pau...@gmail.com wrote: I normally use a combination of running iostats and ramfs with debugging and reading again and again intro(5). HTH. G. On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:23 PM, steve st...@quintile.net wrote: hi,

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-15 Thread Adrian Tritschler
2009/8/14 Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca: This is what we do at Sandia. We have one machine which serves cpu/auth/file, but the actual Venti disks are in a Coraid connected via GigE. The fossil disk is in the server, but if it dies we can just build a new one. Which reminds me of an

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
This is what we do at Sandia. We have one machine which serves cpu/auth/file, but the actual Venti disks are in a Coraid connected via GigE. The fossil disk is in the server, but if it dies we can just build a new one. Which reminds me of an often overlooked but important point: Save your

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-14 Thread Robert Raschke
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: This is what we do at Sandia. We have one machine which serves cpu/auth/file, but the actual Venti disks are in a Coraid connected via GigE. The fossil disk is in the server, but if it dies we can just build a new one.

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-14 Thread erik quanstrom
The venti archive starts at 2AM, and my cron job is at 4AM. So far, I've not yet had an archive take longer than 2 hours. But that's partly due to triggering one explicitly after a pull that's just replaced all my executables ;-) that's surprising to me that it would take that long. is that

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-14 Thread erik quanstrom
Without them, your seperate venti server is JBOD :-P Well, not quite. You can eventually find the right vac score, but you have to manually mount each and every score in the venti until you find the right one. See /sys/src/cmd/venti/words/dumpvacroots. You could probably semi-automate the

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-14 Thread Robert Raschke
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:07 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: The venti archive starts at 2AM, and my cron job is at 4AM. So far, I've not yet had an archive take longer than 2 hours. But that's partly due to triggering one explicitly after a pull that's just replaced all my

[9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
Since the how-to's are being discussed recently, I thought it would be a good time to ask: Once, it used to be the standard configuration to have one machine as a CPU/auth server, one machine as a file server, and one machine as a terminal, for a total of three systems, if one had the

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread andrey mirtchovski
I drawterm all the time. Lately I have started using 9vx for quick hacks and then cpu from it to wherever I want to go. It has its quirks (not as stable as drawterm) but I'm not complaining. With drawterm being so solid and well integrated with X11/OSX I haven't had the need to dedicate a

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
So, I guess that means venti+fossil+cpu on one headless machine in some forgotten corner of the datacentre. regardless of one's terminal accomidations, i still think it makes a lot of sense to have a stand-alone fileserver. it really does stink if your fs goes down for no reason at all. this

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread Federico G. Benavento
no that data center here, but hopefully at a corner of the room On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:55 PM, andrey mirtchovskimirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: I drawterm all the time. Lately I have started using 9vx for quick hacks and then cpu from it to wherever I want to go. It has its quirks (not as

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread blstuart
Once, it used to be the standard configuration to have one machine as a CPU/auth server, one machine as a file server, and one machine as a terminal, for a total of three systems, if one had the available hardware. The power in that model comes primarily when you have a number of terminals

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:01 PM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote: So, I guess that means venti+fossil+cpu on one headless machine in some forgotten corner of the datacentre. regardless of one's terminal accomidations, i still think it makes a lot of sense to have a stand-alone

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread erik quanstrom
This is what we do at Sandia. We have one machine which serves cpu/auth/file, but the actual Venti disks are in a Coraid connected via GigE. The fossil disk is in the server, but if it dies we can just build a new one. coraid's configuration using ken's fs is outlined here

Re: [9fans] file server?

2009-08-13 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
regardless of one's terminal accomidations, i still think it makes a lot of sense to have a stand-alone fileserver. it really does stink if your fs goes down for no reason at all. this is especially true if you're doing a lot of experimenting or don't have a proper terminal. Amen! Three