Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-20 Thread Richard Miller
Already done.  The inferno distribution contains, in /utils, all the Plan 9 xa, xc, xl (for x in [012568kv]) compilable by gcc. Would this be possible to use for a cross compiler with a Plan9 target? This *is* a cross compiler with a Plan 9 target. It generates Plan 9 binaries, which may

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-19 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Jens Staal staal1...@gmail.com wrote: Alternatively - would a newlib approach be a better bet to get binutils/gcc going? I have been trying to read up on it and to try to locate the syscall information I need from plan9 libc. If anyone got any pointers on how

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-19 Thread Jens Staal
2011/9/19 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Jens Staal staal1...@gmail.com wrote: Alternatively - would a newlib approach be a better bet to get binutils/gcc going? I have been trying to read up on it and to try to locate the syscall information I need from

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-19 Thread Charles Forsyth
i thought it was great that something called newlib would still have to implement a function called isatty

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-19 Thread tlaronde
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 06:50:01PM +0100, Charles Forsyth wrote: i thought it was great that something called newlib would still have to implement a function called isatty This has always been the problem with new: it doesn't last... Same goes for something dated today... -- Thierry

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-19 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Sep 19 14:08:02 EDT 2011, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 06:50:01PM +0100, Charles Forsyth wrote: i thought it was great that something called newlib would still have to implement a function called isatty This has always been the problem with new: it doesn't

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-19 Thread Richard Miller
just go ahead and port the plan 9 c compilers etc. to unix Already done. The inferno distribution contains, in /utils, all the Plan 9 xa, xc, xl (for x in [012568kv]) compilable by gcc.

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-19 Thread Jens Staal
2011/9/19 Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com: just go ahead and port the plan 9 c compilers etc. to unix Already done.  The inferno distribution contains, in /utils, all the Plan 9 xa, xc, xl (for x in [012568kv]) compilable by gcc. Would this be possible to use for a cross compiler with a

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-16 Thread David du Colombier
Is running Opera on Plan 9 an option? Opera already runs fine in linuxemu. I never tried the latest versions however. /n/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/linuxemu3.tgz Also, I don't know how to get abaco running. Abaco is included in Plan 9 since July 2009. To run it, type: % webcookies %

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-16 Thread cinap_lenrek
dont forget mothra! -- cinap

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-16 Thread Richard Miller
Abaco is included in Plan 9 since July 2009. To run it, type: % webcookies % webfs % abaco Or even simpler: use readweb(1)

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-16 Thread yy
2011/9/16 Jens Staal staal1...@gmail.com: - One thing I wonder there about 9vx is - can you add a command line argument to start a script in the plan9 that boots? Yes. See 9vxp in 9vx(1). Also, have a look at acmevx in the bin directory as inspiration. -- - yiyus || JGL .

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-16 Thread Steve Simon
That's a very interesting point. Implementing lguest on Plan 9 would require something like 13 system calls. Far easier than doing the near-400 system calls of linux correctly. At the cost of running an entire linux kernel on plan9... cinap's linuxem (with my hacks) implements 139 syscalls

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-15 Thread dexen deVries
On Thursday 15 of September 2011 00:54:11 John Floren wrote: (...) I think you have seriously misapprehended many things about Plan 9. We don't have X. We are not Linux compatible, although there's a rather decent Linux emulator. There is no GTK, no Qt, no Firefox, no modern C++ compiler.

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-15 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:41:29 -0400 L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: The goal should be a Plan 9 distro that runs natively on AMD-64, and can open a web-browser. That goal is a target moving at approximately the speed of light. Specifically, the open a web browser part of it is. A

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-15 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:41:29 -0400 L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: The goal should be a Plan 9 distro that runs natively on AMD-64, and can open a web-browser. That goal is a target moving at approximately the

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-15 Thread erik quanstrom
That's a very interesting point. Implementing lguest on Plan 9 would require something like 13 system calls. Far easier than doing the near-400 system calls of linux correctly. i believe there's at least 2 and they're working on 3 abi for each system call. it's like FAR and HUGE pointers are

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-15 Thread Jens Staal
2011/9/16 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:41:29 -0400 L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: The goal should be a Plan 9 distro that runs natively on AMD-64, and can open a web-browser. That

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-15 Thread L N
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fmwrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:41:29 -0400 L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: The goal should be a Plan 9 distro that runs natively on AMD-64, and can open a web-browser. That goal is a target moving at approximately

[9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread s s
Is there an html version of the nemo book? http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf Want to read it as white text on a black background. - Leonard

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
IIRC there's a 9.txt.gz, not html, but raw text. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:43 PM, s s leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: Is there an html version of the nemo book? http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf Want to read it as white text on a black background.  - Leonard

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Yes, http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.txt.gz On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote: IIRC there's a 9.txt.gz, not html, but raw text. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:43 PM, s s leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: Is there an html version of the nemo book?

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread s s
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.orgwrote: Yes, http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.txt.gz Cheers.

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread hiro
Or use xpdf -rv Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 23:43, s s leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: Is there an html version of the nemo book? http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf Want to read it as white text on a black background.  - Leonard

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread s s
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.orgwrote: Yes, http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.txt.gz Wow is that better. Too bad there is no css for pdf. (Or is there?) Viewing the book now with Firefox/Stylish/Blackify. http://userstyles.org/styles/2154/blackify - Leonard

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread s s
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Or use xpdf -rv Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. How come no one likes high-contrast-inverse themes?

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread s s
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Or use xpdf -rv Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. Somehow, plain text is much more enjoyable to read than pdf.

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:55 PM, s s leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Or use xpdf -rv Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. How come no one likes high-contrast-inverse themes? Because we like our eyeballs. I

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread L N
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:57 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:55 PM, s s leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Or use xpdf -rv Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. How come no

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:13 PM, L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: Afraid to commit to booting native Plan-9 until I'm sure I can get openbox, firefox, and chromium-browser working on it. ah, now I see :-)

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread hiro
I want my monitor's brightness and color temperature to suit my ambient light. I'm used to black text on white paper and I don't want to see white squares behind black monitors. Perhaps the only reason I bother is because I'm sitting in front of pcs too long. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 23:55, s s

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread L N
ah, now I see :-) http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_Skeleton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart_image.jpg ron Maybe. The web-browser really is a deal-breaker, though. I really enjoyed reading about Plan 9, first at plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/, and later at

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM, L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: ah, now I see :-) http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_Skeleton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart_image.jpg ron Maybe. The web-browser really is a deal-breaker, though. I really enjoyed

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
The point is that you can run multiple operating systems, these days, even on the same machine at the same time. There's no need to use the same one for everything. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:54 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM, L N leonardne...@gmail.com

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread L N
I think you have seriously misapprehended many things about Plan 9. What am I misapprehending? We don't have X. We are not Linux compatible, although there's a rather decent Linux emulator. There is no GTK, no Qt, no Firefox, no modern C++ compiler. I don't need X, Linux compatibility,

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread Jeff Sickel
On Sep 14, 2011, at 5:17 PM, ron minnich wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:13 PM, L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: Afraid to commit to booting native Plan-9 until I'm sure I can get openbox, firefox, and chromium-browser working on it. ah, now I see :-)

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread hiro
Plan 9 is an OS, p9p is less. If all you need from Plan 9 is in p9p no need to boot Plan 9. We have a browser, but not one with all the newest craze (no html5, js, flash, gl).

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:19 PM, L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: Why should I boot Plan 9, when I know I can't run a browser, and I already have p9p? um, precisely. You should not. So use p9p. Let's get back to trying to figure out where the Ted Stevens quote is in the NIX source. thanks

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:30 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Plan 9 is an OS, p9p is less. If all you need from Plan 9 is in p9p no need to boot Plan 9. We have a browser, but not one with all the newest craze (no html5, js, flash, gl). Although for my money abaco is still really neat

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread Nick LaForge
Since you're on Ubuntu, why don't you start learning the ropes of the Plan 9 programming environment by compiling/running 9vx on Ubuntu and then hitting the papers? That way you can easily continue to use Mozilla and invest minimal time before being able to actually get something out of Plan 9

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread Akshat Kumar
abaco is free. :-) Although for my money abaco is still really neat ... ron

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread hiro
invest some time then. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 01:43, Akshat Kumar aku...@mail.nanosouffle.net wrote: abaco is free. :-) Although for my money abaco is still really neat ... ron

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread Rob Pike
this is still my favorite: http://gi52.photobucket.com/groups/g5/6DUVRHDUAT/typing.gif -rob

Re: [9fans] Nemo book

2011-09-14 Thread L N
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:33 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: Although for my money abaco is still really neat ... ron I wonder if I can get abaco to display pages with a high-contrast-inverse theme. :] - Leonard

[9fans] nemo book

2009-08-17 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
Does anyone here know if it's possible to obtain printed copies of nemo's book if you live in the United States? Dykinson's website doesn't seem to offer overseas shipping... Thanks in advance! -Ben

Re: [9fans] nemo book

2009-08-17 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Benjamin Huntsmanbhunts...@mail2.cu-portland.edu wrote: Does anyone here know if it's possible to obtain printed copies of nemo's book if you live in the United States? Dykinson's website doesn't seem to offer overseas shipping... Thanks in advance! -Ben

Re: [9fans] nemo book

2009-08-17 Thread Steve Simon
Does anyone here know if it's possible to obtain printed copies of nemo's book if you live in the United States? I'am intrigued, you have a weblink to where I could buy a printed copy (in europe)? I thought sites like lulu only allowed the author to offer the document for publication, not that

Re: [9fans] nemo book

2009-08-17 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
I'am intrigued, you have a weblink to where I could buy a printed copy (in europe)? I'm not sure you can order it online, but here is the link: http://www.dykinson.com/book--Notes_on_the_plan_9tm_3rd_edition_kernel_source--232471.html winmail.dat

Re: [9fans] nemo book

2009-08-17 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Benjamin Huntsmanbhunts...@mail2.cu-portland.edu wrote: I'am intrigued, you have a weblink to where I could buy a printed copy (in europe)? I'm not sure you can order it online, but here is the link: