it seems like you are avoiding the point on purpose.
No purpose I'm aware of :-)
i don't think you can pick up a kernel with tweezers and make
a bunch of abstract statements about it. and so i think the fact
that unicode may be used anywhere a character is expected in plan9
does have a lot
Maybe this is a troll, but I'll answer anyway.
I would say 1, 2, 3, and 5 benefit from using plan9.
4 and 7 don't notice much whether they are using plan9.
6 aren't likely to get to use plan9, though their jobs
would be a lot easier if they could use acid (the
debugger, not the recreational
I still don't get your point.
And does your point include these For Dummies books?
1. Alan Simpson - Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition For Dummies
2. Allen Wyatt - Cleaning Windows XP For Dummies
3. Barry Burd - Beginning Programming With Java For Dummies
4. Bill Sempf - Visual Basic
Having said that, but for web browsing, I'm quite
happy using Plan 9 as an end user that mostly writes code, slides, and
docs and reads mail. I mean, I use it not just to modify it. This does not
mean I cannot use others as well.
It's fine, if you're fine with it ;-) Do you ever visit any AJAX
I have never done any kernel programming or any major programming. I
thought I said that on my original post. That line was to be taken
tongue-in-cheek. It meant that I, as a user, shouldn't need to actually
read code to appreciate what Plan 9 has to offer.
--On Monday, June 30, 2008 8:23 PM
You have not read even a single word before replying.
I said I do use Plan 9 for all the things that have to be done
for my daily work.
Enough of this rant, time to write some code.
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Eris Discordia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having said that, but for web browsing,
You've misread me. I'm far from understanding which facilities Plan 9
provides for ron minnich, the CS/CE person. I should be able of finding
facilities it provides for me, the lowlife. Or I'd dump it as an option
for Getting My Job Done (tm), as did many before me. No public recognition
of
9fans is 99 out of 100 times all code, code, code. You can ignore me as
an irrelevancy and read the other 99/100 posts. Good luck deep diving.
--On Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:23 AM -0600 andrey mirtchovski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My sad commentary is that for whatever reason plan9 keeps
I added devsd and wrote an sd loopback yesterday afternoon.
It worked pretty well except that when I ran fdisk,
/dev/sd00/data disappeared. I was going to debug that
before saying anything.
Here's the fix for the fdisk problem:
/sys/src/cmd/disk/prep/edit.c:503,508 - edit.c:503,509
2008/7/1 Federico G. Benavento [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
eris,
stop trolling and sending apples to the parties you're not invited.
Eris _Discordia_, good nick for a troll:
discordia: f discord
--
Andrés
Haha, sarcasm at it's finest.
Eris, you are my hero.
--
hiro
Michael is a very smart man with a great sense of language,
sophisticated knowledge of computer science, but he was totally
ignorant of Plan 9. That fact allowed him to record what he was
learning. As time went by he was quickly loosing a sense of what he
needed to know, becoming instead
Thread 8 (Thread -1759208560 (LWP 2898)):
#0 0xb7f2e424 in __kernel_vsyscall ()
#1 0x4e6f7a43 in poll () from /lib/libc.so.6
#2 0x4117fa99 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6
#3 0x4117fe7f in _XRead () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6
#4 0x411816bb in _XReadEvents () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6
#5
Window decorations (as they're called in X-speak) are not mere
decorations, they're useful. The two button (+/- wheel) mouse is prevalent
because for most people only the index and middle finger are robust enough.
The ring finger is never on par with them, except of course with the
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Plan 9 is not for end users. Plan 9 is for programmers.
Maybe more appropriate in your case - Plan 9 is not for Windows sys admins.
Please describe the process of accessing an audio device on a computer
across the
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Russ Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have Ubuntu on a VPS (on Xen) and I'd like to install a Plan 9
server using 9vx. 9vx tip compiles, but segfaults after the 256M
memory line (as does the precompiled binary, in the same place). I am
tunneling to local X11 on OS
lowlifes like me will use your system if it
can Get Their Job Done (tm) or they'll migrate to another system that can.
They won't bother coding.
then migrate, already ...
john
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 6:59 AM, John Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have always felt guilty about wanting Common LISP on Plan 9; but I
am not entirely sure why.
John
Eh, there's lots of code for Common Lisp out there that'd be nice to run on
Plan 9 in my opinion. I don't think we're
I deleted the /net/cs file... ran /ndb/cs, started factotum, and finally
tried to cpu to a remote host, and it appears to be stuck.
I tried to cp a file from sources yesterday, and *that* also appeared to get
stuck.
Anyone else having this kind of trouble with .11?
Dave
I am not even a programmer. I'm using plan9 and inferno because the
systems are so simple and flexible, that I only have to use two-liner
shell scripts for my tasks.
No panic: the window appears and two lines print (the command-line
arguments and the memory readout), then everything stops. When I use
-X, the lines of assembly stop.
When it stops, then can should attach gdb by
looking up the pid in ps and running
gdb 9vx pid
thread apply
this must be a quirk of the interaction between
devsd and fdisk. by hand data does disappear:
; lc
9fatctl datanvram plan9 raw
; for(i in 9fat data nvram plan9 data)echo delpart $ictl
; lc
ctl raw
You are allowed to delete the data
I deleted the /net/cs file... ran /ndb/cs, started factotum, and finally
tried to cpu to a remote host, and it appears to be stuck.
I tried to cp a file from sources yesterday, and *that* also appeared to get
stuck.
Anyone else having this kind of trouble with .11?
This kind of thing
There are new sources and binaries in the usual places.
If you missed the announcement before, there is now
a Mercurial repository at http://hg.pdos.csail.mit.edu/hg/vx32/
The OS X code seems to have stabilized, and it doesn't
require X11 anymore. I think there are OS X bugs tickled
by having
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Russ Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I deleted the /net/cs file... ran /ndb/cs, started factotum, and finally
tried to cpu to a remote host, and it appears to be stuck.
I tried to cp a file from sources yesterday, and *that* also appeared to
get
stuck.
Hello. I found a few fonts from /lib/font (Courier, for aesthetic
reasons, and erik's vera, for its complete Unicode conformance) that
I'd like to make available to troff. Is there any way to do this? I'll
name the files myself (Other-Courier and Bitstream-Vera, perhaps).
Courier is
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Federico G. Benavento
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That has a very long beard! Isn`t programming without endusers just like
wanking?
how is that related to Plan 9 being for programmers?
That means that Plan 9 is like porn for hackers.
uriel
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Russ Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are new sources and binaries in the usual places.
If you missed the announcement before, there is now
a Mercurial repository at http://hg.pdos.csail.mit.edu/hg/vx32/
The OS X code seems to have stabilized, and it
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:06 AM, David Leimbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Russ Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are new sources and binaries in the usual places.
If you missed the announcement before, there is now
a Mercurial repository at
On OSX 9vx consistently sigsegv panics if you quickly resize
its window a few times, particluarly before it finishes
repainting. This doesn't happen (or is hard to trigger) when
rio is not up.
Running it under gdb reveals:
Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory.
Reason:
The bug is in devsd, though you'll probably have to
add prints to fdisk to find it.
yup. 9vx creates ctl files without a geometry line.
libdisk/disk.c:/^opensd demands it.
also, it would be nice if 9vx devsd created an entry
in sdctl for each loopback controller.
i apologize for not
I tried dozens of modes, from 640x480 to 1280x1024, using
8-bit to 32-bit of colors, and no one seems to work.
Can you say more about what you are doing to try a given
configuration?
At first glance it doesn't seem like there is a native
Plan 9 driver for your graphics chip, so if the VESA
yup. 9vx creates ctl files without a geometry line.
libdisk/disk.c:/^opensd demands it.
thanks.
also, it would be nice if 9vx devsd created an entry
in sdctl for each loopback controller.
i intended it to, though perhaps i messed that up.
i apologize for not sending a patch. i haven't
247 ssh2: unhandled fault va=0 [110] eip=bee1b
cpu0: registers for ssh2 247
FLAGS=0 TRAP=0 ECODE=0 PC=BEE1B USP=F00
AX BX 001339C1 CX DX 000FF2F2
SI DI BP
As long as only ssh2 crashed, this doesn't bother me too much.
9vx does get
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Russ Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
247 ssh2: unhandled fault va=0 [110] eip=bee1b
cpu0: registers for ssh2 247
FLAGS=0 TRAP=0 ECODE=0 PC=BEE1B USP=F00
AX BX 001339C1 CX DX 000FF2F2
SI DI BP
Can you say more about what you are doing to try a given
configuration?
I tried xga, vesa, multisync and other modes.
The result is the same, my screen become blank
and displays no input signal.
At first glance it doesn't seem like there is a native
Plan 9 driver for your graphics chip, so
rc bug.
please put non-9vx bugs in their own threads. thanks.
it appears something is going wrong
with rc's local assignments. ifs has the usual
value.
; font=/lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod*.font rio
rio: can't access /lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod*.font: bad character in file
name:
Uriel wrote:
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Federico G. Benavento
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That has a very long beard! Isn`t programming without endusers just like
wanking?
how is that related to Plan 9 being for programmers?
That means that Plan 9 is like porn for hackers.
http://www.cafepress.com/leetchic
Here my 9 stuff.
Can you say more about what you are doing to try a given
configuration?
I tried xga, vesa, multisync and other modes.
Can you say exactly what you mean by tried xga and
tried vesa?
Dave Eckhardt
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:47 AM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Window decorations (as they're called in X-speak) are not mere
decorations, they're useful. The two button (+/- wheel) mouse is prevalent
because for most people only the index and middle finger are robust enough.
The ring
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:25 AM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All these could theoretically become supported (that's different from
being included) in an OS if it manages to gather enough public momentum.
Without that you can do only your serious stuff which excludes quite some
of
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:42 AM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A stand-alone Plan 9 system amounts in conceptual complexity for
the user to at least three interconnected machines. Very little has been
done to cover that.
does distributed gets translated to something else in your web
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For Dummies books are essentially non sequiturs arising from marketing
schemes. RTFM is really the way to go, but you need to have an incentive,
a promise, to RTFM. Obviously, sometimes the incentive is replaced by a
I'm sorry I'm not contributing code, and
that the following is mac osx specific.
and it is only an observation.
(and I'm posting it why?
because I'm looking for confirmation, maybe,
and to point out one possible unexpected advantage of X11 over native.)
there appears to be a difference between
I'm doing something stupid here, I know it, but can not recall what:
term% venti/findscore -v arenas 8f5e7e8bd708abb329d97c1773cac871b5daabcb
reading directory for arena=arenas00 with 195154 entries
reading directory for arena=arenas01 with 1587 entries
found at clump=1586 with type=16
rc bug.
please put non-9vx bugs in their own threads. thanks.
i thought it was. sorry.
in any event, 9vx ps has the quirk that it thinks every command
that hasn't set its args has 1 argument, argv[0] consisting of
the entire argument list.
unless my kernel is somehow out-of-date, this is
On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Eric, I don't know what this audio thing you CS/CE type researchers
are using but us lowlifes just need Firefox and Excel before we can
use Plan 9. I'm afraid that until you can provide those, Joe Public
will never use Plan 9 and it will be
(But sarcasm seems to escape you :-))
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Pietro Gagliardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Eric, I don't know what this audio thing you CS/CE type researchers
are using but us lowlifes just need Firefox and Excel
On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Eric, I don't know what this audio thing you CS/CE type researchers
are using but us lowlifes just need Firefox and Excel before we can
use Plan 9. I'm afraid that until you can provide those, Joe Public
will never use Plan 9 and it will
I saw something similar before, but unfortunately, the patch below
doesn't fix it.
cpu% fn 'file?' { test -f $* }
cpu% 'file?' /LICENSE
cpu% echo $status
cpu% 'file?' /foo
cpu% echo $status
test 145387: false
cpu% rc
cpu% 'file?' /LICENSE
rc: can't open /env/fn#file?: bad character in file
If only we transmitted messages by voice. It's much easier to
understand the sarcastic nature. (And you need to get me in a good
mood.)
On Jul 1, 2008, at 5:53 PM, Dan Cross wrote:
(But sarcasm seems to escape you :-))
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Pietro Gagliardi [EMAIL
4. The apple with καλλιστι on it is totally Russ', for he posted
the most sensible response. Thank you Russ.
5. Oh, and that thing on (4) is the Discordian transliteration of whatever
was written on the apple. Greek text input to a mail client on Windows.
Check if you can read it on the
I saw something similar before, but unfortunately, the patch below
doesn't fix it.
I submitted a patch.
diff ./io.c /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/rc/io.c
94c94
for(t = s;*t;t++) if(*t = 0 needsrcquote(*t)) break;
---
for(t = s;*t;t++) if(!wordchr(*t)) break;
diff ./plan9.c
I submitted a patch.
diff ./io.c /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/rc/io.c
94c94
for(t = s;*t;t++) if(*t = 0 needsrcquote(*t)) break;
---
for(t = s;*t;t++) if(!wordchr(*t)) break;
diff ./plan9.c /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/rc/plan9.c
278c278
pfmt(fd,
i don't think that fixes it. try this test on plan 9
fn 'test?' {echo}
lc /env
it does, unless you build an 8.out and test it
without installing it as /386/bin/rc.
when you invoked lc, a shell script, that ran the buggy
/386/bin/rc, which polluted the environment.
in fact you
// 5. Oh, and that thing on (4) is the Discordian transliteration of whatever
// was written on the apple. Greek text input to a mail client on Windows.
// Check if you can read it on the mother of UTF-8. If you do you're
// almost there, if you don't...
I was surprised by this, so I actually
- 9fans.
i don't think that fixes it. try this test on plan 9
fn 'test?' {echo}
lc /env
it does, unless you build an 8.out and test it
without installing it as /386/bin/rc.
when you invoked lc, a shell script, that ran the buggy
/386/bin/rc, which polluted the environment.
some time ago, i had a want for es-style subscripting like
; x=(1 2 3)
; echo $x(1-2)
1 2
; echo $x(2-)
2 3
; x = $x(2-)# shift x
i'd forgotten all about it. the following replacement for
exec.c:subwords() is all that you need to enable this.
Has anyone looked at getting p9p running on linux/mips?
Any results, even if just dire warnings?
Anthony
Can you say exactly what you mean by tried xga and
tried vesa?
I modified the lines monitor= and vgasize= in the
plan9.ini of the WYSE, located in /cfg/pxe/MAC address
on the authserver, then I rebooted the client.
I also tried to run aux/vga when the client was running.
--
David du
It's fine, if you're fine with it ;-) Do you ever visit any AJAX enabled
websites? Do you consider AJAX a superfluous technology? Do you switch to
your other OS machine--or reboot your current machine--if and when you
visit GMail's pages (at least to enable IMAP access for the first time)?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Utility computing is perfectly fine as long as it is balanced by
original development, but it is poisonous if it preclueds any original
participation. Open Source is one form of rebellion, but it lacks the
robust foundations of sound program development. Plan 9
I have no idea what that discordian crap is nor what your
intentions are, but I do know that you're either a troll
or complete idiot.
what do you try to achieve ... it is the wrong'em boyo
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