Re: [9fans] 9vx patch to read environment var PLAN9

2010-04-15 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 15 Apr 2010, at 07:48, EBo wrote: what I had meant is simply that when a user tries to run a program which has been installed system wide it should simply work. A good goal, but I'm not sure an environment variable is a good way to achieve it. At the very least it means, in a typical

Re: [9fans] 9vx patch to read environment var PLAN9

2010-04-15 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman
On 04/14/2010 09:55 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On 13 Apr 2010, at 06:20, EBo wrote: Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com said: but both of the hard-coded paths in 9vx main.c are obviously in RSC's home directories it's not hardcoded; What? The findroot code reads: static char*

Re: [9fans] 9vx patch to read environment var PLAN9

2010-04-15 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 15 Apr 2010, at 08:39, EBo wrote: Define reasonable. For me, that’s just 1 single spot. But it seems the Linux people are very insistent on Freedom meaning do what you want, even if it's against the build suggestions. I say stick to one hardcoded path, and make everyone else stop doing it

Re: [9fans] 9vx patch to read environment var PLAN9

2010-04-15 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 15 Apr 2010, at 09:44, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: On 04/14/2010 09:55 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On 13 Apr 2010, at 06:20, EBo wrote: Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com said: but both of the hard-coded paths in 9vx main.c are obviously in RSC's home directories it's not

Re: [9fans] 9vx patch to read environment var PLAN9

2010-04-15 Thread EBo
Just to add more complications ;) Did you choose the word complications because in watchmaking it denotes extra (and often near-pointless) features? :D Those watches are amazing! Speaking for simplicity, the first time I saw the Salisbury cathedral clock

Re: [9fans] 9vx patch to read environment var PLAN9

2010-04-15 Thread EBo
But the world isn't Linux. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=hiersektion=7 I never said it was, but if you look at FeeBSD's /usr/local you will also see they are in agreement. EBo --

Re: [9fans] 9vx patch to read environment var PLAN9

2010-04-15 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2010/4/15 EBo e...@sandien.com: Define reasonable. For me, that’s just 1 single spot. But it seems the Linux people are very insistent on Freedom meaning do what you want, even if it's against the build suggestions. I say stick to one hardcoded path, and make everyone else stop doing it

Re: [9fans] 9vx patch to read environment var PLAN9

2010-04-15 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman
On 04/15/2010 03:46 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On 15 Apr 2010, at 09:44, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: On 04/14/2010 09:55 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: I don't usually like to say why bother, but given 9vx could be launched with the appropriate parameter from a 2 line shell script

Re: [9fans] 9vx patch to read environment var PLAN9

2010-04-15 Thread hiro
Plan 9 is not trying to be compatible to linux. While some people make life on earth as exciting as possible, others are trying to fly to Mars. On 4/15/10, Balwinder S Dheeman bsd.sans...@cto.homelinux.net wrote: On 04/15/2010 03:46 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On 15 Apr 2010, at 09:44,

Re: [9fans] 9vx patch to read environment var PLAN9

2010-04-15 Thread Chad Brown
Clearly, this calls for an XML-based configuration file, setting the environment of each program at startup by patching gnulibc. I didn't have the energy to make a forced acronym for `bloat', so let's just assume I did and that I suggested the configuration files live in /etc/bloat, ok? *Chad

[9fans] Spook/Glenda image use restrictions?

2010-04-15 Thread Don Bailey
All, Does anyone know the use restrictions for the Glenda image or the Spook icon for mail? I'd like to use them in slides for an upcoming security lecture but I don't know if that case falls under fair use. Ideas? Thanks, D

Re: [9fans] 9vx patch to read environment var PLAN9

2010-04-15 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Apr 15 12:53:57 EDT 2010, yand...@mit.edu wrote: Clearly, this calls for an XML-based configuration file, setting the environment of each program at startup by patching gnulibc. I didn't have the energy to make a forced acronym for `bloat', so let's just assume I did and that I

[9fans] Recommended emulators/VMs for P9 install

2010-04-15 Thread Joel C. Salomon
My computer died, so I'm in the market for a new one. I figure I'd like to get back into hacking on Plan 9 so I plan to install it beneath a VM in whatever machine I buy. I'm even considering Windows 7 Pro with Virtual PC, but I think I'd prefer Xen or one of the Linux-based things (VirtualBox,

Re: [9fans] Spook/Glenda image use restrictions?

2010-04-15 Thread hiro
Bothering about such nonsense is definitely unfair if you think of all the starving children in the third world.

Re: [9fans] kirkwood (sheevaplug) configuration changes

2010-04-15 Thread lucio
I've just pushed changed kirkwood kernel sources to sources. Just a heads up: I had to delete the entry for cga.$O in the wk/mkfile in compiling a new kernel for the sheevaplug. I haven't yet tested the resulting kernel. I also had unexpected trouble with /arm/lib/libsec.a, but that may be

[9fans] APE: a further note.

2010-04-15 Thread tlaronde
Still fixing things for correct compilation of TeX and al. under Plan9, I stumbled upon this one. Traditional lex(1) uses: char yytext[]; The code (main code for translation between Pascal and C), was declaring in the external units: char *yytext; The result is no problem at

Re: [9fans] APE: a further note.

2010-04-15 Thread erik quanstrom
gcc(1) is very verbose (well: I always set -Wall). ken-cc is---surprise---more laconic; but when he was saying: no! he was right, for things that were going silently under NetBSD. compile with -FVTw. -T causes type signatures to be emitted. the linker won't link mismatched type signatures.

Re: [9fans] Recommended emulators/VMs for P9 install

2010-04-15 Thread Gabriel Díaz
Hello If you want to buy a desktop computer, and feel like running native plan9, I've got this machine (desktop) two/three weeks ago and run Plan9 reasonably well, and of course the other mainstream OS like win7 and linux. As for VM, i've used vmware server 2.0 (free) and runs quite well,

Re: [9fans] Recommended emulators/VMs for P9 install

2010-04-15 Thread erik quanstrom
main issue is interrupt count does not go below 4000. . .need to dig more into this, probably to compose a mail to the list :), but it does not hurt too much, at least for now. that shouldn't be happening unless you're doing a lot of disk/network io. if you're using 9atom, one would expect

Re: [9fans] APE: a further note.

2010-04-15 Thread Federico G. Benavento
-T with in APE for lunix code doesn't cut it without hand editing tons of it, there's always a function prototype missing or even conflicting... hand depending on the size of the project it can be unmanageable... On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:30 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: gcc(1)

Re: [9fans] APE: a further note.

2010-04-15 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Apr 15 14:52:12 EDT 2010, benave...@gmail.com wrote: -T with in APE for lunix code doesn't cut it without hand editing tons of it, there's always a function prototype missing or even conflicting... hand depending on the size of the project it can be unmanageable... excellent reason to

Re: [9fans] Recommended emulators/VMs for P9 install

2010-04-15 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
i would think that 9vx is the logical choice for linux. the free vmware player works well on vista and win7. i used qemu for a while and it seemed stable and usable. My computer died, so I'm in the market for a new one. I figure I'd like to get back into hacking on Plan 9 so I plan to install

Re: [9fans] Recommended emulators/VMs for P9 install

2010-04-15 Thread Federico G. Benavento
vmware, the rest just suck, qemu and virtual box being the slowest On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Joel C. Salomon joelcsalo...@gmail.com wrote: My computer died, so I'm in the market for a new one.  I figure I'd like to get back into hacking on Plan 9 so I plan to install it beneath a VM in

Re: [9fans] Recommended emulators/VMs for P9 install

2010-04-15 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Apr 15 14:57:21 EDT 2010, benave...@gmail.com wrote: vmware, the rest just suck, qemu and virtual box being the slowest there are relatively easy things we could do to make virtual box better, but as it doesn't run well on linux, it's hard to find the motivation. - erik

Re: [9fans] Recommended emulators/VMs for P9 install

2010-04-15 Thread Gabriel Diaz
Hello erik, Thursday, April 15, 2010, 8:44:08 PM, you wrote: main issue is interrupt count does not go below 4000. . .need to dig more into this, probably to compose a mail to the list :), but it does not hurt too much, at least for now. that shouldn't be happening unless you're doing a

Re: [9fans] Recommended emulators/VMs for P9 install

2010-04-15 Thread erik quanstrom
There are probably better file server configurations, but essentially I don't really trust fossil from a performance or stability standpoint. it's curious that fossil is typically considered the only choice. what about ... - kfs - cwfs - ken's fs in another vm. - erik

Re: [9fans] Spook/Glenda image use restrictions?

2010-04-15 Thread hiro
So, what's *your* definition of fairness then? On 4/15/10, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: On Thu Apr 15 13:35:21 EDT 2010, 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Bothering about such nonsense is definitely unfair if you think of all the starving children in the third world. logical

Re: [9fans] Spook/Glenda image use restrictions?

2010-04-15 Thread Tim Newsham
So, what's *your* definition of fairness then? I think you confused the phrase fair use, which has a specific legal meaning, with the meaning of the word fair, which is not to be found anywhere in the law. :) Bothering about such nonsense is definitely unfair if you think of all the starving

Re: [9fans] Spook/Glenda image use restrictions?

2010-04-15 Thread Steve Arons
For Glenda: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/glenda.html If by Spook you mean the cigarette-smoking spy, it was designed by Luca Cardelli: http://lucacardelli.name/indexArtifacts.html

Re: [9fans] Spook/Glenda image use restrictions?

2010-04-15 Thread EBo
Steve Arons steve.ar...@gmail.com said: For Glenda: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/glenda.html unfortunately neither that page no the documentation explicitly state what copyright and/or use restrictions for the images are. Maybe it was presumptuous of me, but I emailed Renee for