Sorry, but "everyone does it" just doesn't hack it.
Common-sensically it does, but if you say it doesn't I concede.
not what I asked.
It seems to answer your question by implying there's no question regarding
the use or disuse of shared libraries only regarding the strategy (and that
back
> Just booted Plan 9 on a 1024+16 node BG/P this week. .
congratulations to everyone involved.
Obama wins, and now this. life is great!
> Sorry, but "everyone does it" just doesn't hack it.
also, "everyone does it" is an excuse that no one over the age 7
should use. imitating blindly -- a.k.a monkey-see-monkey-do
(apologies to monkeys) -- seems to happen when we are unaware,
undisciplined, lazy or panicked. it is how stampedes h
Thanks for the information.
--On Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:23 PM -0800 Rob Pike
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
When Sun reported on their first implementation of shared libraries,
the paper they presented (I think it was at Usenix) concluded that
shared libraries made things bigger and slowe
hi ron,
i was able to dig some more details.
the one i have is RCA (by thomson), model DHG535-2 H/W: 2.0. This
seems to be the manual:
http://www.thomson.net/SiteCollectionDocuments/Products/User%20guides/Cable/modems%20and%20gateways/US/userguide_dhg%20%20535_en_092007.pdf
this modem (newer th
hi ron,
isnt cable modem a router too these days? i remember reading a manual
in the internet for a cable modem (provided by comcast) that had the
ability to act as DHCP server to the client side, NAT, (it had web
based UI too), etc just like a Linksys box so that you only need a
switch to connec
you have to love comcast. They just blocked my port 25 incoming. A
quick search around the net reveals they are jerking people around
regularly on this issue.
The weird part: at last one person claims the blocking is done in the
cable modem, and can be resolved by just getting a new modem.
Does t
Eris Discordia wrote:
I know one thing
I doubt that.
On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 09:55:16PM -0800, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> Guys,
>
> when somebody tries to stop a process that is waiting for the IO the
> process
> doesn't get transferred to a Stopped state immediately but only when
> the scheduler sees it for the first time. This leads to a process
On Nov 4, 2008, at 9:16 PM, ron minnich wrote:
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Nov 3, 2008, at 9:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frankly, I was trying to see whether an external process reading
on somebody else's /proc/n/note would make any sense.
Hello,
I sometimes observe broken smtpd.
ar% ps
...
none19485780:01 44:55 264K Broken smtpd
none25211720:01 44:58 264K Broken smtpd
none31900370:01 45:03 264K Broken smtpd
...
ar% ACID 3190037
/proc/3190037/text:386 plan 9 executable
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On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:53 PM, ron minnich wrote:
Just booted Plan 9 on a 1024+16 node BG/P this week. .
Cool, congrats. Now to see Plan 9 run on HAL :-P
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On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:21 PM, Russ Cox wrote:
At one point, it was possible to declare your own buffered
i/o by just embedding a Biobufhdr and filling it in correctly.
Is that still possible/useful?
Thanks for the rest of the info.
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Be careful what you wish for ;)
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Brian L. Stuart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Just booted Plan 9 on a 1024+16 node BG/P this week. .
>
> I'll echo the congratulations.
>
>> Plan is to double it just a few times until we hit 65536 or so. Then
>> the fun begins: turn
> Hello. Why do we have something like
>
>vlong Boffset(Biobufhdr *r);
>
> instead of
>
>vlong Boffset(Biobuf *r);
Because there is an anonymous Biobufhdr
in the Biobuf, so it doesn't matter. At one point,
it was possible to declare your own buffered
i/o by just embedding a Biobuf
> Just booted Plan 9 on a 1024+16 node BG/P this week. .
I'll echo the congratulations.
> Plan is to double it just a few times until we hit 65536 or so. Then
> the fun begins: turning on all cores, so we get to
> 262144 cpus.
So how many cores is that for each member of the
Plan 9 community? :
On Nov 5, 2008, at 2:13 PM, ron minnich wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Eris Discordia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
yes, I agree, I was being terribly unfair to plan 9. Acme on plan
9 is
about 1/2 M. Vim on DOS is 3x larger? impressive.
My intent was, of course, to show your comparison
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Really cool! Are you going to talk about this @SuperComputing?
I was going to talk to a bof but they did not accept the paper:
"Running one million things". Somehow the schedulers had more cred.
ron
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know one thing: every major operating system I have ever heard of
> leverages shared libraries. Can all those people be wrong? I don't think so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
Really cool! Are you going to talk about this @SuperComputing?
Thanks,
Roman.
On Nov 5, 2008, at 5:53 PM, ron minnich wrote:
Just booted Plan 9 on a 1024+16 node BG/P this week. .
All credit to jmk, ericvh, and charles for this fantastic test run and
the existence of this new kernel.
Plan is
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Hello. Why do we have something like
vlong Boffset(Biobufhdr *r);
instead of
vlong Boffset(Biobuf *r);
and
long Bgetrune(Biobuf *r);
instead of
Rune Bgetrune(Biobuf *r);
Thanks.
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Ve
i'm getting this error with htmlroff:
htmlroff: x.ms:16: unknown char \(rg
i'm temped to add it to the trinit[] table,
though it looks like i could also put it in
/sys/lib/troff/font/devutf/utfmap.
does anyone know the right fix?
- erik
Congrats! That's fantastic!
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:53 PM, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just booted Plan 9 on a 1024+16 node BG/P this week. .
>
> All credit to jmk, ericvh, and charles for this fantastic test run and
> the existence of this new kernel.
>
> Plan is to double it just
Just booted Plan 9 on a 1024+16 node BG/P this week. .
All credit to jmk, ericvh, and charles for this fantastic test run and
the existence of this new kernel.
Plan is to double it just a few times until we hit 65536 or so. Then
the fun begins: turning on all cores, so we get to
262144 cpus.
Boo
> File size can be less than memory size when you have data reserved but not
> initialized. That happens in many cases, e.g. when you reserve a buffer.
>> One benefit to declaring data in the bss section is that the data is not
>> included in the executable program. When data is defined in the da
> I know one thing. Every major operating system in the late 1960s
> "knew" that card image files were the way to go. Could all those
> people be wrong?
>
> Yes.
>
> Sorry, but "everyone does it" just doesn't hack it.
it's the chewbacca proof.
- erik
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know one thing: every major operating system I have ever heard of
> leverages shared libraries. Can all those people be wrong? I don't think so.
I know one thing. Every major operating system in the late 1960s
"knew" th
When Sun reported on their first implementation of shared libraries,
the paper they presented (I think it was at Usenix) concluded that
shared libraries made things bigger and slower, that they were a net
loss, and in fact that they didn't save much disk space either. The
test case was Xlib, the b
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please forgive the repeated messages. It didn't appear in my mail client's
> Sent view after I hit send. Thought it might have been lost so I re-wrote
> it.
i expect you to start littering the web forums and mailing lists
Please forgive the repeated messages. It didn't appear in my mail client's
Sent view after I hit send. Thought it might have been lost so I re-wrote
it.
Sadly, the picture changes at run time: clock on plan 9 is 128k in
memory, xclock is 4.2M RSS and 10M VSZ.
Sic transit gloria .so. Of course, then we hear that "well, all that
is shared". Hmm. Prove it.
I know one thing: every major operating system I have ever heard of
leverages shared librari
Sadly, the picture changes at run time: clock on plan 9 is 128k in
memory, xclock is 4.2M RSS and 10M VSZ.
Sic transit gloria .so. Of course, then we hear that "well, all that
is shared". Hmm. Prove it.
I know one thing: shared libraries are employed on every major operating
system I have ever
Sadly, the picture changes at run time: clock on plan 9 is 128k in
memory, xclock is 4.2M RSS and 10M VSZ.
Sic transit gloria .so. Of course, then we hear that "well, all that
is shared". Hmm. Prove it.
I know one thing: every major operating system I have ever heard of
leverages shared librari
>> less is more.
>
> If you say so, sir, it must be true. Is it also true that the less I
> understand of your comment the more meaningful it becomes?
>
Judging by your posts, the less you know, the more meaningful you
consider your opinion, so I'd agree with you here.
John
> Is it also true that the less I
> understand
it's as if Choate's twin has come to visit.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Eris Discordia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> yes, I agree, I was being terribly unfair to plan 9. Acme on plan 9 is
>> about 1/2 M. Vim on DOS is 3x larger? impressive.
>
> My intent was, of course, to show your comparison is baseless. It seems you
> still haven't r
less is more.
If you say so, sir, it must be true. Is it also true that the less I
understand of your comment the more meaningful it becomes?
--On Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:12 PM -0800 Rob Pike
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
less is more.
-rob
Eris, did you just post the following to slashdot? s/OpenBSD/Plan
9/;s/Theo/9whacko/ and we've got your entire posting history on this
mailing list. the similarity is uncanny.
I don't think the question is serious but I'm very bad at detecting
sarcasm--too many false positives. So I'll provide
less is more.
-rob
Eris, did you just post the following to slashdot? s/OpenBSD/Plan
9/;s/Theo/9whacko/ and we've got your entire posting history on this
mailing list. the similarity is uncanny.
"Yeah. I'd really like to like OpenBSD. Technically, it's superb. It's
smooth, polished, well documented --- it's got a le
yes, I agree, I was being terribly unfair to plan 9. Acme on plan 9 is
about 1/2 M. Vim on DOS is 3x larger? impressive.
My intent was, of course, to show your comparison is baseless. It seems you
still haven't realized that. You think Plan 9 is great? Sure you know a lot
more about it than I
don't forgot that plan 9 binaries are fully linked while most other
systems pull in more code through dynamic linking when the binary is
executed.
-rob
Yep... I had that same problem. Only way to get around it was to run as
root (FEAR!!!)
or to get rid of Audio Hijack Pro or do as you describe below.
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Jeff Sickel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At IWP9 I demonstrated a certain condition where Inferno and drawterm woul
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:15 AM, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:57 AM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/clms]# ls -l `which vim`
> > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1221212 Oct 15 2006 /usr/local/bin/vim
> >
> >
> --
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:57 AM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/clms]# ls -l `which vim`
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1221212 Oct 15 2006 /usr/local/bin/vim
>
>
>
> C:\Program Files (x8
// It dosent work unfortunatley its probally something I did,
// can you really break each step down for me?
At this point, you've been given all the references you need for
your stated goals. If something isn't working, you really ought
to provide a more detailed account of what you did and what
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Abhishek Kulkarni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> term% cat pipeto.eris
> /bin/upas/filter -h $1 $2 'From: "Eris Discordia"' /dev/null
personally, i think eris makes a lot of reasonable points.
you may take this to comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy if you want.
term% cat pipeto.eris
/bin/upas/filter -h $1 $2 'From: "Eris Discordia"' /dev/null
>
> > I realize that is utterly unfair. Sort of.
>
> Nice of you to realize that. Sort of.
>
> --On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:21 PM -0800 ron minnich
>>> I'm asking is -- "dear kernel, please don't advance this process even
>>> if you otherwise can". All I need is a frozen state so that I can
>>
>> not so easy on a multiprocessor. (unless you turn all but one
>> processor off.)
>
> Hm. May be its getting late, but I can't quite see why that wo
The regulars on that group spend their days either playing bingo at the
community center, chasing kids off their yard with a broom, or posting to
that USENET group. :)
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Nolan Hamilton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>
> Thanks alot, people in comp.os.plan9 are much mor
Why do gods that walk the earth invariably act like spoilt brats? Ah,
hang on ...
Prolly because a god is only a human's conceited ego. Oh, wait...
--On Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:55 AM + Robert Raschke
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Eris Discordia
<[EM
it's only the jerks who get abused.
Yes, he's right. It's the victim's fault.
--On Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:57 AM +0200 Bruce Ellis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
in general any decent 9fan will help. it's only the jerks who get abused.
there is no such thing as a stupid question, just s
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/clms]# ls -l `which vim`
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1221212 Oct 15 2006 /usr/local/bin/vim
C:\Program Files (x86)\Vim\vim71>dir gvim.exe
Volume in drive C has no label.
Volume Serial Number is B
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Nolan Hamilton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It dosent work unfortunatley its probally something I did, can you
> really break each step down for me?
> Sorry!
What doesn't work? You can't start upas/fs? Writing to /mail/fs/ctl
doesn't work? Or Acme Mail doesn't work?
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Eris Discordia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Man's got to know his limitations.
>
> Yes, _man_ has got to. That doesn't apply to deities :-P
Why do gods that walk the earth invariably act like spoilt brats? Ah,
hang on ...
The print routines in the BIOS I knew of took a length parameter in the
CX register (also IIRC)
These were string routines. Service 0x0E of interrupt 0x0A (now that I
think better perhaps it wasn't 10 = 0x0A, rather 0x10 = 16) provided
character output.
Running protected mode servers really
Man's got to know his limitations.
Yes, _man_ has got to. That doesn't apply to deities :-P
--On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:59 AM -0800 ron minnich
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Attempts to live boot Plan 9 on the sa
On Nov 4, 7:27 am, Nolan Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 7:06 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Raschke) wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Nolan Hamilton
>
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Can somebody give me instructions on
> > > 1. How can I can configure mail? (
And what is a 9whacko?
Someone without a mirror? And not enough time to think?
And what is a 9whacko? I didn't see any at IWP9 but I didn't have a mirror.
brucee
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And who is this Eris dick?
>
> Just a simple first year regexp assignment.
>
>
>
And who is this Eris dick?
Just a simple first year regexp assignment.
grep whining /sys/games/lib/fortunes
Why do I have to send this mail every year or so? And who is this Eris dick?
brucee
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:59 PM, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Attempts to live boot P
No respect those kids wearing crazy clothes and mucking up constantly.
BTW can whoever took the photos of me and tiger please send them to me
or post them somewhere.
brucee
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:38 AM, Jack Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg
I'd like to see a you tube video of the troff.
brucee
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:09 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ah come on, PDFs are so 2002, where's the you tube video?
>
> -eric
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2008 5:54pm, Pietro Gagliardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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in general any decent 9fan will help. it's only the jerks who get abused.
there is no such thing as a stupid question, just stupid people.
brucee
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:44 PM, hiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Thanks alot, people in comp.os.plan9 are much more polite then in
>> comp.os.vms.
>
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