Mac OS 10.6 introduced a new C compiler frontend (clang), which added
support for blocks in C [1]. Blocks basically add closures and
anonymous functions to C (and it's derivatives). Full details with
examples are in the linked article. I think the feature is quite
elegant and might be
2009/9/2 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net:
aside: from the overcommit vm discussion.
in http://9fans.net/archive/2000/06/634 rob
says that plan 9 doesn't overcommit vm.
what's the history here?
Exactly two years ago you started a thread about
memory overcommit. If I remember correctly,
HI,everyone:
Has anyone ported scheme into plan 9 ? or is there some scheme
implementation existence on plan 9 ? i want to learn SCIP
recently ,but i can't find a scheme in plan 9 . so ask ..
looking forward for the answer as soon as possible...
thanks first.
2009/9/2 Andrés Domínguez andres...@gmail.com:
2009/9/2 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net:
aside: from the overcommit vm discussion.
in http://9fans.net/archive/2000/06/634 rob
says that plan 9 doesn't overcommit vm.
what's the history here?
Exactly two years ago you started a thread
number of schemes 4
http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Contrib_index/
maybe one is what you are looking for
there is also a gsoc project, search 9fans for more details
http://9fans.net/archive/
xiangyu wrote:
HI,everyone:
Has anyone ported scheme into plan 9 ? or is there
IMHO, I'd say C is C and I think it's better to leave
it as it is. If you want a language with extra features you can
probably find one.
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Anant Narayananan...@kix.in wrote:
Mac OS 10.6 introduced a new C compiler frontend (clang), which added
support for blocks
IMHO, I'd say C is C and I think it's better to leave
it as it is. If you want a language with extra features you can
probably find one.
the blocks thing only works (apparently) by having two (visible) classes of
function pointers.
ugh. `clang' is apparently not just the name of the frontend
number of schemes 4
http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Contrib_index/
One that's not in the contrib tree is s9fes (Scheme 9 From
Empty Space).
BLS
Although, you may be better off reading SICP as intended, and use MIT
Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language) is
already hard/unusual enough for one to not want to get confused by
implementation quirks. (Kill the paren!)
--On Wednesday, September 02, 2009
Perl people love closures. It's one of their common programming techniques.
Closures in C? Way to screw its clarity and closeness to the real (or
virtual) machine. And in the end closure or no closure doesn't change how
the binary looks but allows programmers to pepper source with brain-teasers
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Anant Narayananan...@kix.in wrote:
Mac OS 10.6 introduced a new C compiler frontend (clang), which added
support for blocks in C [1]. Blocks basically add closures and anonymous
functions to C (and it's derivatives). Full details with examples are in the
linked
2009/9/2 Andrés Domínguez andres...@gmail.com:
2009/9/2 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net:
aside: from the overcommit vm discussion.
in http://9fans.net/archive/2000/06/634 rob
says that plan 9 doesn't overcommit vm.
what's the history here?
Exactly two years ago you started a thread
Exactly two years ago you started a thread about
memory overcommit. If I remember correctly, plan9
overcommits vm. Few weeks later the Go program
i thought this was common knowledge, and so i ommitted
recounting the discussion. since it's not common knowledge
i'll recount.
plan 9
problem ended up being that I'd have to rework a lot of the slab
allocator, or do checks on every memory allocation, and I didn't want
to do that. More detailed info for those who care:
could you use plan 9 terminology?
Lemma: In order to avoid overcommitting, we must impose limits on how
Hi kix (Anant),
I don't like it, but the question is: do you need it?
If you can do the same code with 8c, without much efford, then
probably you don't need it.
kix
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Anant Narayananan...@kix.in wrote:
Mac OS 10.6 introduced a new C compiler frontend (clang),
2009/9/2 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net:
problem ended up being that I'd have to rework a lot of the slab
allocator, or do checks on every memory allocation, and I didn't want
to do that. More detailed info for those who care:
could you use plan 9 terminology?
Probably not. Plan 9 uses
2009/9/2 Uriel urie...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Anant Narayananan...@kix.in wrote:
Mac OS 10.6 introduced a new C compiler frontend (clang), which added
support for blocks in C [1]. Blocks basically add closures and anonymous
functions to C (and it's derivatives). Full
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Eris Discordiaeris.discor...@gmail.com wrote:
Although, you may be better off reading SICP as intended, and use MIT
Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language) is
already hard/unusual enough for one to not want to get confused by
Q: Will C continue to be important into the future?
(Dave Kirk, Nvidia)A: No, I think C will die like Fortran has
ron
I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system,
and possibly program, of all time.
(Bill Gates, OS/2 Programmers Guide, November 1987)
... we are all human ...
:-)
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:29 PM, ron minnichrminn...@gmail.com wrote:
Q: Will C continue to be important into
Has anyone actually looked at the spec or is this just armchair philosophy?
I've actually looked at these, and used em a little bit. They're not at all
as bad as I once thought they could be, and the reason they're there is to
work with a concurrency framework onto which blocks can be scheduled
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Iruata Souza iru.mu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Eris Discordiaeris.discor...@gmail.com
wrote:
Although, you may be better off reading SICP as intended, and use MIT
Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking
On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 10:04 +0200, Anant Narayanan wrote:
Mac OS 10.6 introduced a new C compiler frontend (clang), which added
support for blocks in C [1]. Blocks basically add closures and
anonymous functions to C (and it's derivatives).
They are NOT closures in my book. They lack
On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 08:07 -0700, David Leimbach wrote:
Has anyone actually looked at the spec
Yes. Well, I know I did ;-)
I've actually looked at these, and used em a little bit. They're not
at all as bad as I once thought they could be, and the reason they're
there is to work with a
(Dave Kirk, Nvidia) A: No, I think C will die like Fortran has
http://developer.nvidia.com/page/cg_main.html
One again, have you tried Cilk for exactly this kind of thing? I'd
be curious to know your opinion on how what you see in SL compares to
it.
Nope, but it sounds interesting.
Blocks themselves are really not terribly useful, you need the
libdispatch library to make the real value in
Hi,
as you may know, the Introduction to OS
Abstractions book (aka 9intro)
is avail in pdf in various
places from the web. It will continue that way, btw.
But, as some asked for that and I think it's nice,
it's also available at lulu.com. This is the url.
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:32:53 BST Eris Discordia eris.discor...@gmail.com
wrote:
Although, you may be better off reading SICP as intended, and use MIT
Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language) is
already hard/unusual enough for one to not want to get confused
On Wed Sep 2 10:33:07 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
Q: Will C continue to be important into the future?
(Dave Kirk, Nvidia)A: No, I think C will die like Fortran has
isn't this the same company that claims that the cpu is dead?
it may be true, but given nvidia's propensity to make
claims
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:33:13 CDT Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Bakul Shahbakul+pl...@bitblocks.com wrote:
An intriguing idea that can point toward a synth fs interface
to a dbms or search results But I don't think this would
be a
I use chibi at work; s'not bad considering the size, certainly better than
tinyscheme. I currently use a custom dialect for new stuff, but the old is
either Chibi or Gauche.
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:13 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Iruata Souza
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:38 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote:
On Wed Sep 2 10:33:07 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
Q: Will C continue to be important into the future?
(Dave Kirk, Nvidia)A: No, I think C will die like Fortran has
isn't this the same company that claims
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 5:38 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote:
On Wed Sep 2 10:33:07 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
Q: Will C continue to be important into the future?
(Dave Kirk, Nvidia)A: No, I think C will die like Fortran has
isn't this the same company that claims
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Robert Raschke rtrli...@googlemail.comwrote:
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 5:38 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote:
On Wed Sep 2 10:33:07 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
Q: Will C continue to be important into the future?
(Dave Kirk, Nvidia)A: No, I
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Bakul Shah
bakul+pl...@bitblocks.combakul%2bpl...@bitblocks.com
wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:33:13 CDT Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Bakul
Shahbakul+pl...@bitblocks.combakul%2bpl...@bitblocks.com
wrote:
Clarifying context: this was at a hpc clusters conference -- their
view of fortran is not your view of fortran.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 2, 2009, at 9:29 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
Q: Will C continue to be important into the future?
(Dave Kirk, Nvidia)A: No, I think C will
Found the reference:
http://graphics.cs.williams.edu/archive/SweeneyHPG2009/TimHPG2009.pdf
on p. 43/44 i believe it is claimed that one
cannot do CSP without pure functional
programming.
the thread library is clearly better than i thought.
it can turn ordinary c into a functional programming
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:20:52 PDT Roman V Shaposhnik r...@sun.com wrote:
On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 10:04 +0200, Anant Narayanan wrote:
Mac OS 10.6 introduced a new C compiler frontend (clang), which added
support for blocks in C [1]. Blocks basically add closures and
anonymous functions to
http://graphics.cs.williams.edu/archive/SweeneyHPG2009/TimHPG2009.pdf
on p. 43/44 i believe it is claimed that one
cannot do CSP without pure functional
programming.
(p ⇒ q) ⇏ (¬p ⇒ ¬q)
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen eri...@gmail.comwrote:
Clarifying context: this was at a hpc clusters conference -- their view of
fortran is not your view of fortran.
Having supported Fortran for MPI implementations before, I know what you
mean :-)
Sent from my iPhone
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote:
http://graphics.cs.williams.edu/archive/SweeneyHPG2009/TimHPG2009.pdf
on p. 43/44 i believe it is claimed that one
cannot do CSP without pure functional
programming.
(p ⇒ q) ⇏ (¬p ⇒ ¬q)
That's interesting
on p. 43/44 i believe it is claimed that one
cannot do CSP without pure functional
programming.
(p ⇒ q) ⇏ (¬p ⇒ ¬q)
That's interesting because pure functional programming doesn't exist at all
in the strictest sense on a computer. One MUST be able to cause side
effects during
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:35 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com wrote:
on p. 43/44 i believe it is claimed that one
cannot do CSP without pure functional
programming.
(p ⇒ q) ⇏ (¬p ⇒ ¬q)
That's interesting because pure functional programming doesn't exist at
all
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:29 AM, ron minnichrminn...@gmail.com wrote:
Q: Will C continue to be important into the future?
(Dave Kirk, Nvidia)A: No, I think C will die like Fortran has
let me explain the joke. In HPC circles, people have been predicting
the death of fortran for 30 years. Fortran
Q: Will C continue to be important into the future?
(Dave Kirk, Nvidia)A: No, I think C will die like
Fortran has
let me explain the joke. In HPC circles, people have been
predicting
the death of fortran for 30 years. Fortran has continued to
grow and
thrive. The predictions continue,
On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 11:27 -0700, David Leimbach wrote:
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com
wrote:
http://graphics.cs.williams.edu/archive/SweeneyHPG2009/TimHPG2009.pdf
on p. 43/44 i believe it is claimed that one
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Brian L. Stuart blstu...@bellsouth.netwrote:
Q: Will C continue to be important into the future?
(Dave Kirk, Nvidia)A: No, I think C will die like
Fortran has
let me explain the joke. In HPC circles, people have been
predicting
the death of fortran
Hi,
The test subject is a desktop PC, it has SATA primary harddrive and
IDE master optical drive (according to the BIOS).
I tried to install with the regular CD (Aug. 15), it detected the SATA
harddrive only. I also tried Erik's 9atom.iso, it detected the IDE
drive only, so it booted the Live CD
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Jonathan Cast jonathancc...@fastmail.fmwrote:
On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 11:27 -0700, David Leimbach wrote:
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com
wrote:
The test subject is a desktop PC, it has SATA primary harddrive and
IDE master optical drive (according to the BIOS).
I tried to install with the regular CD (Aug. 15), it detected the SATA
harddrive only. I also tried Erik's 9atom.iso, it detected the IDE
drive only, so it booted the Live
On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 13:02 -0700, David Leimbach wrote:
And if you prefer a plea to authority over logic, I haven't said
anything that Simon Peyton Jones hasn't himself said about Haskell.
Well, I disagree quite strongly about Simon Peyton Jones about a number
of things. Which I think I
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Jonathan Cast jonathancc...@fastmail.fmwrote:
On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 13:02 -0700, David Leimbach wrote:
And if you prefer a plea to authority over logic, I haven't said
anything that Simon Peyton Jones hasn't himself said about Haskell.
Well, I disagree
On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 12:11 -0700, Brian L. Stuart wrote:
Q: Will C continue to be important into the future?
(Dave Kirk, Nvidia)A: No, I think C will die like
Fortran has
let me explain the joke. In HPC circles, people have been
predicting
the death of fortran for 30 years.
i've pushed an update of my nupas contrib
package to sources. imap successful in use
with apple mail (snow leper, too), iphone,
outlook, opera, ff, upas/fs.
note on installing:
as devon pointed out, installation is still a
big pain.
1. move /sys/src/nupas - onupas
2. contrib/install
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:16 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote:
i've pushed an update of my nupas contrib
package to sources. imap successful in use
with apple mail (snow leper, too), iphone,
outlook, opera, ff, upas/fs.
note on installing:
as devon pointed out, installation is
So when you say that it works with Snow Leopard too, are you meaning that
this works *on* snow leopard with something like FUSE 9p via plan 9 from
user space?
imap4d and upas/fs are running on a regular plan 9 install.
apple mail is running as normal. there is no 9p required
on the mac.
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