Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

2022-01-27 Thread John Floren
My daily mouse is a Logitech 3-button mouse plugged into a PS2-USB adapter. Obviously they're not making them anymore but I've managed to acquire a bunch over the years. It's sturdy and works fine. https://www.ebay.com/itm/384628597228 john Original Message On Jan 27, 2022,

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread John Floren
Richard Miller being in this very thread, you could presumably get him to say "I declare that the old bcm kernel found in the p9f code is OK to be redistributed under the MIT license" and be done with it. Or declare the opposite, and the p9f can remove the kernel from the source. As for what to

Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10?

2021-03-29 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 10:47 AM Russ Cox wrote: > > On March 29, 2021, arn...@skeeve.com wrote: > > OK - wasn't kenc ported to Linux for bootstrapping the early > Go compilers? Is that version general, or not worth my trying to use? > > > The early Go compilers, written in C, were compiled with

Re: [9fans] p9f.org https times out

2021-03-23 Thread John Floren
It's been quite responsive over http; I think the main issue is that people automatically write "https" in links these days and I'm not sure p9f.org ever had HTTPS set up. I remember trying it weeks back when Ron first announced it, wasn't able to connect with HTTPS back then either. john On

Re: [9fans] [RQ]: plan9 native 1920x1200 VGA recommendation

2013-03-19 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Andy Spencer andy753...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-03-18 12:09, Peter A. Cejchan wrote: could anyone recommend (personal experience would be nice) a VGA card that can support 1920x1200 mode on native Plan 9 from Bell Labs (from Bell Labs ;-) ? I used to use a

Re: [9fans] ANTS: Better in every single way than standard plan 9. Stop using p9p.

2013-03-17 Thread John Floren
Look. I'm sorry nobody commented when you posted your software. I'm sorry you and Eric et al. were working on sorta similar things at the same time. But can you cut it out with the fucking nuclear meltdowns all over this list? And fix your email client so it replies to threads properly? john

Re: [9fans] The PATENTED IBM MULTI-PIPE : the evolution of unix pipes

2013-03-15 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in wrote: Here's the original iosrv/hub announcement: http://9fans.net/archive/2009/07/278 So what's the real difference between iosrv/hubfs and MULTI-PIPES? Is anyone here good enough at translating patentese to code to tell what

Re: [9fans] The PATENTED IBM MULTI-PIPE : the evolution of unix pipes

2013-03-15 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:17 AM, mycrof...@sphericalharmony.com wrote: John Floren wrote: I probably didn't read the iosrv and hubfs stuff well enough, but multi-pipes are not like gnu screen--unless hubfs and/or iosrv can do barriers and reduces and I just missed that part? The connection

[9fans] what are people using for IRC these days

2013-03-15 Thread John Floren
So, while my IRC bouncer runs on my Plan 9 server, I've been connecting to it using Linux and Windows clients. Now that I've got my rpi set up with a nice monitor and everything, I'm looking at IRC on Plan 9 again. What clients are people using these days? I remember using something in Acme that

Re: [9fans] Acme/Mail with plan9ports in Mac OS

2013-03-09 Thread John Floren
This is just a guess, but what does your $PATH look like? On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Rubén Berenguel ru...@mostlymaths.net wrote: Hi everyone, I'm trying (just for the sake of getting it to work!) to read my (imap) mail via acme from plan9ports. I got the mail file server started in my

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 ARM questions

2013-03-08 Thread John Floren
xcpu is cool, but it doesn't really have anything to do with either of his questions besides being generally related to HPC. I don't see why you couldn't make linuxemu portable, Ron did something similar to run CNK binaries on Bluegene. john On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Bence Fábián

Re: [9fans] new fork?

2013-02-27 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:36 PM, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote: http://plan10.tumblr.com/ I'll set up the wiki

Re: [9fans] c compiler bug

2013-02-21 Thread John Floren
I think his mail client is just too world-class, breathtaking, amazing, and fabulous--have you tried it? On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:13 AM, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote: can you please stop sending html mails? thanks On 2/21/13, Comeau At9Fans comeauat9f...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 18,

Re: [9fans] c compiler bug

2013-02-21 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Comeau At9Fans comeauat9f...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:39 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Thu Feb 21 13:23:26 EST 2013, j...@jfloren.net wrote: I think his mail client is just too world-class, breathtaking, amazing, and

Re: [9fans] going too far?

2013-02-18 Thread John Floren
go clean does the same thing on Linux under strace, reading the headers from all the .go files of each package's dependencies. I have included the strace output of strace -e open -f go clean github.com/floren/ellipsoid below. The help for the command says Clean removes object files from package

Re: [9fans] ppxeload nix

2013-02-07 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Benjamin Huntsman bhunts...@mail2.cu-portland.edu wrote: i think this is active any longer So what is the current official location to obtain the amd64 Plan 9? Depends who you ask. When the google code repo dropped out of use, http://lsub.org/ls/nix.html became

Re: [9fans] iwp9 2013 dates set

2013-01-21 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 11:28:34AM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote: 31 Oct - 2 Nov 2013 http://iwp9.org - erik cfp.pdf is a 404, and it says the registration deadline is in 2011. Is commuting to this location from Atlanta

[9fans] PBSR...EI

2013-01-14 Thread John Floren
I've been trying to install Plan 9 on a previously-untried system. When I put in the install disc and try to boot, I only see PBSR...EI and then nothing else. I've seen this with the Bell Labs CD and both 9legacy images. I have an old 9atom disc that gets farther, booting into the actual kernel

Re: [9fans] PBSR...EI

2013-01-14 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:52 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: Has anyone else run into this? Is it something to do with the new bootloaders? I've seen it on several other motherboards lately and don't remember ever seeing it when I last installed from CD (about 2 years ago).

Re: [9fans] PBSR...EI

2013-01-14 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:54 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: I'm about an hour and a half into downloading 9atom, with about a half hour to go. I'll probably be able to report on my progress tomorrow. Have you ever considered hosting the iso on a faster server? It's kind of

Re: [9fans] big endian plan 9 machine?

2013-01-13 Thread John Floren
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 10:48 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Sun Jan 13 13:45:52 EST 2013, charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: Blue Gene hard to fit in the basement. - erik I don't know about the /Q's A2 processors, but you could at one point buy PPC440 development

Re: [9fans] big endian plan 9 machine?

2013-01-13 Thread John Floren
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: Blue Gene hard to fit in the basement. How about an ipengine (mpc823)? I've got one gathering dust here. I caution against working on any hardware which can no longer be purchased new (sparc32, alpha), it's just

[9fans] a disk filesystem for both Plan 9 and Linux?

2013-01-11 Thread John Floren
I'd like to be able to use a disk in both Plan 9 and Linux. FAT seems to have some issues with sufficiently large partitions, so that's out. Plan9Port doesn't have fossil in the repo, although I've found patches. ext2srv may be an option, but I have no idea how reliable it would actually be. Am I

Re: [9fans] a disk filesystem for both Plan 9 and Linux?

2013-01-11 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 3:24 PM, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: i think fat is still the best option, even tho it has these limitations. virtually every operating system can deal with fat, and the implementations are robust and tolerant to errors because they are pretty much expected. ext2srv

Re: [9fans] a disk filesystem for both Plan 9 and Linux?

2013-01-11 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 3:52 PM, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: dossrv always had fat32 support. you'r probably refering to disk/format, 9bootfat and pbs which do support fat32 now in 9front. -- cinap Thanks, you're entirely right, I was thinking of disk/format. john

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-06 Thread John Floren
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Rox 64 mrox...@gmail.com wrote: It seems I don't need aux/realemu and aux/vga at all to boot rio, it can run with monitor=vesa and vgasize=640x480x8 in plan9.ini. I still haven't found out how to run in 1024x738 with vesa, through, will check if it can run at

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-05 Thread John Floren
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Rox 64 mrox...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe should I try 9front instead? I read they made a new bootloader to fix that issue. The PC kernel is also (supposed to be) multiboot-compliant, so you should be able to boot it with GRUB if that helps. You just have to build

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-05 Thread John Floren
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Rox 64 mrox...@gmail.com wrote: I don't really want to deal with ELF binaries and Grub... I will try 9front and if its bootloader works then I will use it against vanilla Plan 9. I merely suggest GRUB because it seems like most of the time, if I can get through

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:19 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Is that targeting Intel Atom CPUs? I have an EEEPC sitting so that's a good chance to start using Plan9 in a real environment (non VM). The fact that go is provided is tempting :) originally, the goal was to get atom

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Rox 64 mrox...@gmail.com wrote: Hu guys. Will Plan 9/9atom/9front run on a EEE 1005HA? I have that same netbook. One of your big challenges will probably be getting the CDROM to boot in a machine without a CDROM drive. There exist bootable images for USB sticks

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:26 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Rox 64 mrox...@gmail.com wrote: Hu guys. Will Plan 9/9atom/9front run on a EEE 1005HA? I have that same netbook. One of your big challenges will probably be getting the CDROM to boot

Re: [9fans] build iso's plan9 for amd64, atom, arm, powerpc

2013-01-02 Thread John Floren
What I think people are trying to say is that this doesn't really make a lot of sense. The AMD64 system doesn't have any installer work done for it at all--I think it's not far off, but to the best of my knowledge nobody has built a CDROM that boots the 64-bit kernel and gives you the installer

Re: [9fans] iwp9 2013

2012-11-20 Thread John Floren
Evidently decided by the Plan 9 Cabal... sp9sss has competition! Or it came up at Dublin and the rest of us missed it, whichever one :) john On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Matthew Veety mve...@gmail.com wrote: Yes you did.

Re: [9fans] iwp9 2013

2012-11-20 Thread John Floren
It means that the football hooligans will be out of town rather than filling all the hotels and drinking all the beer. I'm told that Athens during a college football game is truly a sight to see. (From a distance. On closed-circuit camera. In a bunker) john On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Aram

Re: [9fans] Attempts to set timezone don't stick?

2012-11-12 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Phineas Pett phineas.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hello List, I'm attempting to setup a native Plan 9 system for the first time, but I'm having a bit of trouble getting the timezone to ``stick.'' Putting the following in my /lib/profile seemed the intuitive and

Re: [9fans] Newbie question: I have a plan9 system running on

2012-11-05 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:33 AM, keystroke zhangrui0...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure whether it's stupid to ask this question here. Maybe it's too easy a question to answer, maybe you think that I am too lazy to post a question before do a good search on google, or read the document

Re: [9fans] Kernel panic when allocating a huge memory

2012-11-02 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Pavel Klinkovsky pavel.klinkov...@gmail.com wrote: It really seems as a problem with swap. :( this is well known, and solutions are available even if you don't care to use them. Oh, does it mean the official Plan 9 distribution contains non-working swap? :O

Re: [9fans] bell stuff off line ?

2012-10-31 Thread John Floren
Asking the same question 3 times in as many minutes will not get any faster answer john On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:10 AM, kali.m...@web.de wrote: hi, i just tried to get to the plan9 stuff at plan9.bell-labs.com and the google DNS doesnt even resolve the name. i know that it could be

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-10-25 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Matthew Veety mve...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 25, 2012 1:00 PM, Gorka Guardiola pau...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:08 PM, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote: can someone tell me how to speed up poweroff on ubuntu? Pull the cable and or battery. G.

Re: [9fans] 9grid?

2012-10-23 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Matthew Veety mve...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/23/2012 8:11 PM, Don A. Bailey wrote: Go embeds parallel/grid functionality now instead of just lightweight thread execution? Which packages would you point me at? Thanks, D On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:09 PM, ron

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread John Floren
Precisely. The correlation between what makes something good and what makes something popular is small but negative. One of the primary reasons I stopped using Linux was that it was becoming too mainstream and just like all the commercial junk out there. I too find Linux too mainstream:

Re: [9fans] fossil option -m

2012-08-17 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 10:30 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Sat Aug 18 01:04:53 EDT 2012, aris...@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: Helo, Plan 9 manual FOSSIL(4) says about fossil/fossil command option -m: -m Allocate free-memory-percent percent of the avail-

[9fans] drawterm to a cpu server without authentication

2012-08-08 Thread John Floren
I'm playing around with booting a cpu kernel in qemu, and I'd like to be able to drawterm to it for testing stuff. However, as it is it seems that I need to specify an auth server. sources.cs.bell-labs.com works, but that's clunky and depending on my networking situation not always an option. Is

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 technical docs and man pages - licensed or public domain?

2012-07-24 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Andy Elvey andy.el...@paradise.net.nz wrote: Hi Andrey - thanks for your reply! On 25/07/12 14:47, andrey mirtchovski wrote: I'm not a lawyer but I play one in comedy clubs. The first implementation of 9p came about long before Plan 9 had a free (as in rms)

[9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?

2012-07-24 Thread John Floren
We've got some budget left for hardware, so I'm looking for a server suitable for running Plan 9, preferably as good as I can get for about $3000-5000. Buying non-Thinkpad Plan 9 hardware is kind of a crapshoot, and this isn't just some $100 Atom system, so if any of you are running something

Re: [9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?

2012-07-24 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:58 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Wed Jul 25 00:45:01 EDT 2012, j...@jfloren.net wrote: We've got some budget left for hardware, so I'm looking for a server suitable for running Plan 9, preferably as good as I can get for about $3000-5000. Buying

Re: [9fans] Can't mk CONF=9pcdisk -- gives error

2012-07-23 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Kyle Laracey kalara...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:48:06 PM UTC-4, John Floren wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:21 AM, erik quanstrom lt;quans...@quanstro.netgt; wrote: gt;gt; But as Federico mentioned, you might not want pcdisk--that#39;s

Re: [9fans] Can't mk CONF=9pcdisk -- gives error

2012-07-19 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Kyle Laracey kalara...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:17:47 AM UTC-4, Charles Forsyth wrote: 9pcdisk is the output file, not the configuration file. Also you need to quote the = because it is special to rc (assignment). Try/div mk

Re: [9fans] Can't mk CONF=9pcdisk -- gives error

2012-07-19 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:21 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: But as Federico mentioned, you might not want pcdisk--that's for running with a kfs root, which isn't officially supported any more. If you were looking at the 3e guide, that might explain it. These days, for a

Re: [9fans] plan9port rio and keyboard shortcuts

2012-07-10 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, In p9p's rio there is a possibility to cycle over windows with left_alt-tab. Has anyone thought about / managed to add some more shortcuts, e.g. such that would run a program like dmenu? (Do you start all

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Winston Weinert winst...@lavabit.com wrote: On Sun, 2012-06-10 at 18:19 -0400, Comeau At9Fans wrote: * Raspberry Pi * Cotton Candy * Mele A1000 * MK802 Some other _pricier_ products to consider (and a larger variety of integrated components): * Beagleboard

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:16 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Mon Jun 11 17:07:15 EDT 2012, mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: looking for more pleasing fonts I came across dejavu which are downloadable from http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/Download [...] coverage is so-so, but

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Nick LaForge nicklafo...@gmail.com wrote: sadly, the 10/100 ethernet is provided through a flakey usb hub I think the 'cheap arm dev board' bandwagon will always suffer in this regard, since the phones these SoCs were designed for don't even come close to

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-05-30 Thread John Floren
Just when you thought every bikeshed had been painted... On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: (Trolling unintentional) The misspelling of Xerox in Acme has bugged me for a long time.  I want to suggest that we change it to Clone.  Votes? ++L

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone

2012-05-30 Thread John Floren
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 May 2012 11:25, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Or Dop (short for Doppelgänger). dop.  dop!  make it stop! i can't not will not have a dop! - erik copy? That surely won't be confused with

Re: [9fans] 9front: Support for encrypted partitions (in development, needs documentation)

2012-05-18 Thread John Floren
9front has a mailing list, that's probably the best place to ask these kind of things. On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Burton Samograd burton.samog...@gmail.com wrote: The features list of 9front has the subject line.  How in development is it, and could anybody give a documentation/HOWTO on

Re: [9fans] Reading gmail

2012-05-14 Thread John Floren
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:08 PM, s...@9front.org wrote: Is there any way to read gmail from plan9?  Over SSL imap maybe? I searched for imapfs but came up with nothing. Mount your gmail account via IMAP:        upas/fs -f /imaps/imap.gmail.com/usern...@gmail.com The first time you try

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread John Floren
A Thinkpad X60 or X61 works great and is very light, too. john On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Burton Samograd burton.samog...@markit.com wrote: Along these lines, is there a recommendation for the best laptop for running plan9?  Ie. Native video, working Ethernet/wifi, no hassles with HW

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread John Floren
I've got one of those with the 1400x1050 display, it runs Plan 9 well, looks great, and has a fantastic screen. john On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:18 PM, s...@9front.org wrote: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X61_Tablet -sl

Re: [9fans] Starting a blog on plan 9

2012-05-08 Thread John Floren
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:34 AM, IainWS iai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there! I am trying to get involved more with plan 9 but having some trouble finding resources on it that are all in one place. I have started a blog so that I can add resources to make things more simple for new users, and for

Re: [9fans] new arm port: teg2

2012-05-01 Thread John Floren
Great! Graphics support at this point, or is it still in the cpu server stage? john On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:30 PM, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: After you pull, you should see a new directory, /sys/src/9/teg2.  From the _announce file: This is a preliminary Plan 9 port to the Compulab

Re: [9fans] Source Code.

2012-04-27 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: Download the installation image from the website, gunzip, mount the resulting ISO image, then look in mountpoint/sys/src. Easier option: grab http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/extra/plan9.tar.bz2, untar it, look under

Re: [9fans] AMD64 system

2012-04-25 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Strake strake...@gmail.com wrote: On 25/04/2012, Matthew Veety mve...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 25, 2012 2:27 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: On 2012-04-25, at 11:04 AM, Strake wrote: Four billion is not enough. Not enough what?  This cat's

Re: [9fans] AMD64 system

2012-04-25 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Strake strake...@gmail.com wrote: On 25/04/2012, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: If you're doing cryptography and physical simulation, computation bound stuff, why not set up a 64-bit CPU server? I've got one at work, all you should need to do is get

Re: [9fans] AMD64 system

2012-04-25 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Strake strake...@gmail.com wrote: On 25/04/2012, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: There are 3 options: 1. Suck it up and use the 64-bit system that is available 2. Write drivers for your hardware (this is the comedy option) 3. Complain on 9fans for a while

Re: [9fans] git and (p9p) acme

2012-04-25 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: On 2012-04-25, at 1:36 PM, Russ Cox wrote: What is not obvious about what 'sam file' does? Plugging 'sam file' into a script does not launch the editor with the specified file in a window for the user to edit, and

Re: [9fans] AMD64 system

2012-04-25 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Strake strake...@gmail.com wrote: On 25/04/2012, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: Through the magic of compression, and other things like realizing that you don't have to redraw the *entire* screen 60 times a second when displaying a mostly-static desktop

Re: [9fans] nix at lsub

2012-04-17 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:26 PM, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote: I was thinking along the lines of http://lsub.org/ls/octopus.html, myself, using a child of Inferno. Yeah, sound like interesting. Can I try this octopus on some of the PC still now? because I didn't do it, and have no idea

Re: [9fans] nix at lsub

2012-04-17 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:07 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:26 PM,  kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote: I was thinking along the lines of http://lsub.org/ls/octopus.html, myself, using a child of Inferno. Yeah, sound like interesting. Can I try this octopus

Re: [9fans] test

2012-04-16 Thread John Floren
Obvious solution, switch to reading comp.os.plan9 and sending replies to the list :-) On Apr 16, 2012 11:48 AM, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: can't receive mail from 9fans anymore. but can i still send? -- cinap

Re: [9fans] vim and utf-8

2012-04-14 Thread John Floren
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 4:56 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: bad troll relax

Re: [9fans] vim and utf-8

2012-04-13 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Troy Cauble troycau...@gmail.com wrote: When using vim, Greek characters are shown followed by a garbage character, usually Esc., sometimes immediately after the Greek char, sometimes later in the line.  Editing that line after the Greek char, positioning is

[9fans] Google command line client

2012-03-29 Thread John Floren
Turns out Google command line client (http://code.google.com/p/googlecl/) works on Plan 9 just fine. All you need is python (from fgb's contrib, or if you want to risk potentially out-of-date code I've got a tarball at http://jfloren.net/contrib/packages/lang/python/root.tgz, just untar it and

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread John Floren
I think being able to pay the students is what really makes GSoC work. It adds an additional dimension that makes it a lot harder to just say, Oh, I'm bored with this, I quit. John On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Joseph Stewart joseph.stew...@gmail.com wrote: So this all makes me wonder why

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread John Floren
-starter approach? Think it'd work? On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:20 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: I think being able to pay the students is what really makes GSoC work. It adds an additional dimension that makes it a lot harder to just say, Oh, I'm bored with this, I quit. John On Sun

Re: [9fans] GSoC 2012

2012-03-14 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: May I suggest to add an easy project to the list: review Plan9 installation. The howto install without (explaining how to create a Plan9 realm from another OS if the CD can not be used) that I posted a while ago did not attract a

Re: [9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:14 AM, V-CA ! Christoph Paschke c.pasc...@me.com wrote: @Nemo Ok, I just want start with a very easy constellation: 1.) I installed octopus on top of my MacMini (newest version) at my televison in living room, he running also Mac-Server 2.) I got the terminal

Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com wrote: It would be nice to have a widget library including buttons, drop-down menus, multiple-line text entry, radio buttons, scrollbars, etc. Oh, no!!! ++pac Oddly enough, that idea does not come with the rider, And then

Re: [9fans] hardware device (...)

2012-03-13 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:09 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: folks don't write code until they want it. until now, nobody has cared enough about cameras or scanners or printers (though i thought ethernet connected printers work more or less (but i've never printed anything)) to

Re: [9fans] octopus paper

2012-03-02 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Nicolas Bercher nberc...@yahoo.fr wrote: On 02/03/2012 13:11, Charles Forsyth wrote: Welcome to the world of Elsevier, Springer and Wiley. On 2 March 2012 10:29, Francisco J Ballesterosn...@lsub.org  wrote: WoW! I hate them. It seems my university is

[9fans] Some things never change

2012-02-23 Thread John Floren
While waiting for Linux to compile, I started poking at the 9fans archive and noticed something: The 13th message ever sent to 9fans (http://9fans.net/archive/1993/04/13) ended by asking about find. Plan 9: Not UNIX, since 1993 John

Re: [9fans] current python hg support

2012-02-09 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Jeff Sickel j...@corpus-callosum.com wrote: A quick question for everyone, is there interest in getting a more current version of hg working for Plan 9 NIX?  If so, given I've spent way too much time in the past getting both working for other platforms, I

Re: [9fans] Building Go on Plan 9 using Antony Martin's

2012-01-20 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:48 AM, ROuNIN rounin.urash...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello, Thank you. Sorry for late reply: I get this message - something seems drastically wrong with my Plan9 install -- 8l cp 8.out /386/bin/go/8l 8c 8l  -o 8.out cgen.8 cgen64.8 div.8 list.8 machcap.8 mul.8

Re: [9fans] /ape/libcrypto.a ??none??: /386/lib/ape/libssl.a first

2012-01-19 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:32 AM, ROuNIN rounin.urash...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello! I still get the following: pcc  -o 8.out app_rand.8 apps.8 asn1pars.8 ca.8 ciphers.8 crl.8 crl2p7.8 dgst.8 dh.8 dhparam.8 dsa.8 dsaparam.8 ec.8 ecparam.8 enc.8 engine.8 errstr.8 gendh.8 gendsa.8 genrsa.8

[9fans] ape compiler error, IND CHAR and INT

2012-01-18 Thread John Floren
I figured I'd try building Python from the source on their website just for kicks. Configure went ok, but when I went to run make, it soon bailed out with this error: cc -c -OPT:Olimit=0 -g -DNDEBUG -O -I. -IInclude -I./Include -DPy_BUILD_CORE -o Parser/grammar.o Parser/grammar.c cc: flag -P

Re: [9fans] ape compiler error, IND CHAR and INT

2012-01-18 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Martin Harriss mar...@princeton.edu wrote: John Floren wrote: I figured I'd try building Python from the source on their website just for kicks. Configure went ok, but when I went to run make, it soon bailed out with this error: cc -c -OPT:Olimit=0 -g

Re: [9fans] miau, an IRC bouncer

2012-01-13 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Yaroslav yari...@gmail.com wrote: well, there is a session persistense in Plan 9, and its name is vncs(1)… Opening mibbit in a web browser is easier than installing a VNC client on every computer I use. Do you have some personal problem with IRC bouncers that

Re: [9fans] miau, an IRC bouncer

2012-01-12 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Yaroslav yari...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/1/12 John Floren j...@jfloren.net: but I missed the simplicity and convenience of having just one nickname on IRC at all times why not to use their nickserv extentions for this purpose, and a startup script to deal

Re: [9fans] Plan 9/plan9port coding conventions

2012-01-11 Thread John Floren
(1) For example, P9 code tends to use variable names like i and j, where I would typically use self-documenting variable names like row and col. Variable names like row and col are much easier to search for (i.e., with a right-click), too. Names like i and j (which occur in many

[9fans] miau, an IRC bouncer

2012-01-11 Thread John Floren
Back when I had my FreeBSD server, I used to run a tmux session and irssi to keep myself connected to IRC at all times. This let me access it from any computer with an SSH client. Now I only run a Plan 9 server, but I missed the simplicity and convenience of having just one nickname on IRC at

Re: [9fans] miau, an IRC bouncer

2012-01-11 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:03 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: Back when I had my FreeBSD server, I used to run a tmux session and irssi to keep myself connected to IRC at all times.  This let me access it from any computer with an SSH client. Now I only run a Plan 9 server, but I

Re: [9fans] miau, an IRC bouncer

2012-01-11 Thread John Floren
). a nice fix is fgb's config script http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/fgb/rc/config another common problem is grep, where the easiest is to write GREP=grep at the top of the configure script. 2012/1/12 John Floren j...@jfloren.net: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:03 PM, John Floren j

Re: [9fans] venti and contrib: RFC

2012-01-05 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:15 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: But perhaps the other users are smart enough to have understood all this at installation time, but when I first installed Plan9, that was not for the archival features. And I spent my time on Plan9 looking for the distributed

Re: [9fans] venti and contrib: RFC

2012-01-05 Thread John Floren
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:07:08 PST John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: For reference, I set up our current Plan 9 system about half a year ago. We have 3.8 TB of Venti storage total. We have used 2.8 GB of that, with basically no precautions taken to set anything +t; in general, if it's

Re: [9fans] KerTeX: e-TeX, CWEB and packaging!

2012-01-02 Thread John Floren
Voting Thierry for #1 poster of 2012 [so far] Looking forward to trying the new release! John On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 3:02 PM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: Hello, A supplementary note for Plan9 users before reproducing the announce. I was testing the new version on Plan9 when the infamous

Re: [9fans] fun with replica and pull

2011-12-20 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:00 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: I'd like to install Erik's nupas, but according to contrib/install, a bunch of files have been modified locally, so it doesn't install them. Then, if I try to do a contrib/pull, it believes the package is up to date. Ok

[9fans] fun with replica and pull

2011-12-19 Thread John Floren
I'd like to install Erik's nupas, but according to contrib/install, a bunch of files have been modified locally, so it doesn't install them. Then, if I try to do a contrib/pull, it believes the package is up to date. Ok, great, so I do replica/pull -v /dist/replica/nupas, which still complains

Re: [9fans] go v. mk

2011-12-04 Thread John Floren
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Federico Benavento benave...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 2, 2011, at 9:12 PM, ron minnich wrote: Did you try it? Might be worth trying it. We did. But maybe it's time to try things first and then send email :-) relax, maybe he didn't, but he did write a tool that

Re: [9fans] troff book

2011-12-02 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:02 AM, hugo rivera uai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, soon I'll begin to write my thesis and I am planing to use troff. I previously wrote some documents with it, mostly with the ms macro, which I think I'll use for the thesis. Can you advice some book about troff with some

Re: [9fans] troff book

2011-12-02 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:29 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 10:16:26AM -0800, ron minnich wrote: [...] tex/latex, once clean and small, are now a beast, Uh! There are days when I wonder why I have done kerTeX... (well, I know why: because _I_ use it!). Do you know

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