On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 07:40:50PM +0100, Charles Forsyth wrote:
> Jim McKie used to relate how, when he joined Edinburgh's computing
> facility, one of his first tasks was to write something to link Unix to the
> big line printers, which were on EMAS.
> He'd observe that many decades later, printe
The problem was reported by a 9front user but was general.
A blunder made the recipe updating, separately from the core install,
the POSIX.2 library handling recipes overwrite the good installed
version with a faulty development one: recipes failed with "dependency
missing".
This has been correct
On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 10:13:45AM +0100, Andrew Back wrote:
> On 16/05/2024 09:54, tlaro...@kergis.com wrote:
>
> > I add these that I finally found (not easily) in France. From
> > Microchip, the expensive:
> >
> > https://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/494-MPFSICICLE-KITES
> >
> > and this:
> >
On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 03:44:37PM -0400, Wes Kussmaul wrote:
>
>
> On 5/14/24 15:05, tlaro...@kergis.com wrote:
> >
> > I don't know if black holes do exist but I'm convinced that there are
> > already, out there, software implementations of black holes: things
> > that will collapse under thei
On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 09:38:44AM +, Fabian Wermelinger wrote:
> On Thu, 16 May 2024 08:27:25 +0200, tlaro...@kergis.com wrote:
> > Do anybody know of some E.U. online merchant proposing such boards?
>
> https://pine64.org/devices/
>
> They have an EU store (think Poland based). I bought fr
On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 11:26:32AM +0200, Julien Blanchard via 9fans wrote:
> This presentation by Geoff Collyer "Plan 9 on 64-bit RISC-V" describes the
> work that has been done and mentions some hardware too.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOg6UzSss2A
Thanks for the link! I will watch this
On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 10:13:45AM +0100, Andrew Back wrote:
> On 16/05/2024 09:54, tlaro...@kergis.com wrote:
>
> > I add these that I finally found (not easily) in France. From
> > Microchip, the expensive:
> >
> > https://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/494-MPFSICICLE-KITES
> >
> > and this:
> >
On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 09:31:47AM +0100, Andrew Back wrote:
> On 16/05/2024 07:27, tlaro...@kergis.com wrote:
> > I'd like to start playing with the combination RISC-V and Plan9.
> > There are some (including not in stock yet) SoC from Microchip for
> > example, but I seem unable to purchase them
I'd like to start playing with the combination RISC-V and Plan9.
There are some (including not in stock yet) SoC from Microchip for
example, but I seem unable to purchase them from some french
seller---and I had enough bad experience about buying in U.S, with
VAT handled by FedEx, UPS or whatever a
On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 06:54:02PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote:
> [html edited]
>
> coraid has an interesting history.
> https://www.information-age.com/silicon-valley-can-kill-business-man-scolded-machine-6832/
This is another illustration of "The Mythical Man-Month".
I still think there is place f
There was one interesting thread yesterday about p9sk1 and the leaking
of info allowing, in some cases, to break easily the whole security.
Here is another rather trivial example but it may be interesting to
some---and it may explain why on some lists, mails appear in chronological
disorder. (Not
On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 03:27:16AM -0400, ibrahim via 9fans wrote:
> > For the ghostscript thing, and for the record (noting that, in this
> > area, I have put my code-money where my mouth is):
> >
> > I too want to get rid of Ghostscript. The path adopted is the
> > TeX/METAFONT way with the foll
On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 11:01:59PM -0700, Kurt H Maier via 9fans wrote:
> [...]
> One by one we're getting rid of the third-party software -- I
> particularly look forward to the day we can finally ditch Ghostscript --
> but in the meantime these accusations of license violations are
> misinformed
FWIW, I have published under:
https://github.com/tlaronde/
risk_comp, kertex_M, kertex_T and kertex_pkg sources.
More easy to browse than the tarballs.
I will accept contribs after review (I believe in managing with a hand
of iron in a glove of lead, the lead adding to the weight when hitting
Please note that by:
http://kertex.kergis.com/{fr,en}/pkg.html
I mean whether the french version:
http://kertex.kergis.com/fr/pkg.html
or the (sort of) english one:
http://kertex.kergis.com/en/pkg.html
{fr,en} is not a subdir ;-)
On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 07:47:59AM +0100, tlaro...@kergis.com
I have made a significant update to the extensions framework of kerTeX
(installing packages, typically things on CTAN).
What is of special interest to plan9 and derived systems users:
- When a recipe downloads sources from CTAN, the URL is not specified.
The definition of the env variable KERTEX_
Le Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 05:34:16PM +0200, Luis a écrit :
> On Wed, 2023-06-28 at 15:55 +0100, Conor Williams wrote:
> > hello there 9fans.ers
> >
> > anyone need any UniX programs transferred (port.ed) to Plan9
> >
> > will give u a good price 1cent an hour iff i can get it going...
> >
> > text
FWIW, I have modified the latex.sh recipe so that one can specify via
a SUPPORTED_LANGUAGES variable a blank separated list of languages
(by their Babel names) for which hyphenation has to be added to the
format (hyphenation patterns have still to be compiled in the format
and can not be put afterw
Le Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 02:12:32PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian a écrit :
> The problem here was due to hget failing. Binding hurl over hget and
> running it again, latex installed properly. Thanks!
>
The problem is indeed with mirrors.ctan.org that redirects (and
distributes: at every invocation, it
Le Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 09:27:10AM +0100, tlaro...@polynum.com a écrit :
> Le Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 04:41:21PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian a écrit :
> > I just did a full install of the stable version in my local evolutionary
> > branch of 9legacy using the get_mk_install.rc script.
> > I had to extend
Le Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 04:41:21PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian a écrit :
> I just did a full install of the stable version in my local evolutionary
> branch of 9legacy using the get_mk_install.rc script.
> I had to extend XCPPFLAGS in "kertex_T/lib1/web/Makefile.ker" to include
> "-D_SUSV2_SOURCE"
It'
The latest version of the recipe used utilities in a way not matching
Plan9 (rmdir(1) or mv(1) for directories...) and the use of the mf(1)
binary was made without ensuring the kerTeX directory was in the path.
This is corrected in the new recipe latex.sh (tested on 9front).
--
Thierry La
Hello,
Le Fri, Jul 08, 2022 at 10:07:21PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian a écrit :
> i use hurl:
>
> % hurl https://mirror.ctan.org/tds/packages.zip > xyz.zip
>
> https://go.dev/play/p/v6Ludjnzyg_L
>
I will then simply add the utility in the list of recognized retrievers
and add the choice in the get
Hello,
Pkg in kerTeX are created by processing and first retrieving files using
hget(1) for http served files.
The main TeX repository is CTAN. Now, there is an address:
mirrors.ctan.org (http/https), that is in fact redirecting dynamically
to various mirrors (this changes almost on any invocatio
FWIW, for LaTeX users (I'm not), I had made a blunder in the latex.sh
recipe preventing the installation of a part of the (huge) psnfss font
collection. It has been corrected.
Since a LaTeX user hit a capacity limit, I have also increased the 'BIG'
version of the prote engine.
One thing that may
Hello,
Le Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 07:48:17PM -0500, Atticus a écrit :
> Thierry,
>
> Thanks for more excellent work on KerTeX. I don't use LaTeX myself, just
> good old plain TeX, but I always turn to KerTeX for that.
I don't use LaTeX myself, neither ;-)
>
> There does seem to be some minor perm
Hello,
LaTeX3 requires additional primitives neither present in TeX nor e-TeX
and I had hence to develop these primitives on the TeX/e-TeX engine. The
result is Prote (MIT licensed change file), compatible with TeX, with
e-TeX and providing the primitives required now by the latest LaTeX
developme
Le Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 08:44:05AM -0500, ibrahim via 9fans a écrit :
> On Sunday, 30 January 2022, at 8:55 AM, tlaronde wrote:
> > The lacking piece is the end: converting DVI to something else than PS
> and extending DVI to include drawing primitives so that there is a
> "
Le Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 09:48:47PM +0100, hiro a écrit :
> > I personally would say using page for displaying pdf or ps is dangerous and
> > makes a distribution depending on this feature highly dangerous for
> > developers.
>
> yes, it's very dangerous in terms of licensing. i suggest you rewrite
Le Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 05:54:44PM -0400, o...@eigenstate.org a écrit :
> Quoth tlaro...@polynum.com:
> > But is clock_gettime(2) available in APE in any instance of Plan9 or is
> > there a routine achieving the same purpose?
>
> Here's a quick sketch of something that we could add; note
> that th
e suseconds_t in the code for a variable thinking it is
like the result of nsec(2) and it is probably a type that will never
appear in real user code.
So let this RIP.
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:04 PM wrote:
>
> > Le Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 07:56:37PM +0200, tlaronde a écrit :
> > &
Le Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 07:56:37PM +0200, tlaronde a écrit :
> As suggested by o...@eigenstate.org, I have used gettimeofday(2) to
> achieve what I needed.
>
> But I had to change suseconds_t (in POSIX) to long (in Plan9
> ape/include/sys/time.h).
>
> But are all the comp
As suggested by o...@eigenstate.org, I have used gettimeofday(2) to
achieve what I needed.
But I had to change suseconds_t (in POSIX) to long (in Plan9
ape/include/sys/time.h).
But are all the compilers in Plan9 making long an octabytes, whatever
the arch and the machine? Because a long, if it is
Le Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:49:47PM -0400, o...@eigenstate.org a écrit :
> Quoth tlaro...@polynum.com:
> > For kerTeX, I need to access a time reference with better than the
> > second.
> >
> > The answer is nsec(2).
> >
>
> For posix: we already have gettimeofday(),
> which has microsecond resol
Le Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 06:42:53PM +0200, Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir a écrit :
> Sorry for not exactly being helpful with your issue, but that one is
> the exact reason I started on https://git.sr.ht/~ft/npe.
> APE is too limiting and sometimes it's easier to rewrite small parts
> of the software
For kerTeX, I need to access a time reference with better than the
second.
The answer is nsec(2).
If there is no problem creating an object .o mixing POSIX functions and
nsec(2), when linking, under APE, nsec is not visible in libc.
How can one mix the two, preferably under APE (my framework use
Le Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 08:39:31PM +0200, tlaro...@polynum.com a écrit :
>[...]
> Amongst the extensions I had to add, there are two bits that go beyond
> ISO C libc. One is a way to get elapsed time and unfortunately clock(3)
> is not the answer. I then used POSIX.1:clock_gettime(2) with CLOCK_MO
Le Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 09:20:31PM +0200, Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir a écrit :
> I've been using cycles() with _tos on amd64/arm64 with 9front for my
> porting needs, specifically to get monotonic time:
> https://git.sr.ht/~ft/npe/tree/master/item/libnpe/_npe.c#L15
Thank you for the hint. I will
Le Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 03:12:11PM -0400, o...@eigenstate.org a écrit :
> Quoth tlaro...@polynum.com:
> > Hello,
> >
> > LaTeX now requires primitives (extensions) that are not provided by TeX
> > nor e-TeX.
> >
> > I have hence developed a new engine: Prote, that adds the required
> > extensions
Hello,
LaTeX now requires primitives (extensions) that are not provided by TeX
nor e-TeX.
I have hence developed a new engine: Prote, that adds the required
extensions and that will be the main target for the future enhancements.
(The main purpose is to have one and only one engine, TeX compatib
Le Thu, Sep 02, 2021 at 08:00:49AM -0400, Matthew Singletary a écrit :
> If you found a big in TeX, doesn't that mean you found an error in the TeX
> book? Doesn't that mean you should get one of the famed checks from Knuth?
>
Normally, yes (the check being now a symbolic reward)---by the way, it
Hello,
I'm currently finishing the implementation of the newly required LaTeX
primitives and there will be a new engine (extending TeX and e-TeX).
While reading the program, I found a bug in TeX (and thus e-TeX; and
METAFONT and thus MetaPost) in the filenames handling. So I commited
a security f
On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 02:12:07PM +, adr via 9fans wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 01:41:30PM +0100, Richard Miller wrote:
> > > it just becomes difficult
> > > to do anything when no fossil blocks can be allocated
> >
> > Thinking a bit further about this: intuitively one might expect to be
On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 06:06:49AM -0700, a...@9srv.net wrote:
> We are thrilled to announce that Nokia has transferred the copyright of
> Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation. This transfer applies to all of the
> Plan 9 from Bell Labs code, from the earliest days through their final
> release.
That's
FWIW, a user reported that latex failed to install because I had left
a mv(1) command with an expansion applying it to a directory in the
latex recipe.
This is corrected and the use of rmdir is corrected too both in recipes
(latex and amstex) and in kerTeX_T (the utility mp2ps uses it).
The new v
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 07:50:59AM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote:
> They say:
>
> > This is the first Espressif product with RISC-V core, the datasheet is on
> > their web.
> >
> > This is also the first SOC with RISC-V core we have access to, so we are
> > excited to learn > more the ISA on low leve
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 02:57:44AM -0700, arn...@skeeve.com wrote:
> This is getting off topic ...
>
Yes... ;-)
> > > There was an interpreter for P-code and (I think later) a compiler
> > > for the Vax. You'd have to port it to current architectures, and
> > > compiling TeX would probably make
On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 01:58:16AM -0700, arn...@skeeve.com wrote:
> tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 09:44:54PM +, Charles Forsyth wrote:
> > > I'm fairly sure Thompson wrote it on sabbatical in Berkeley. I think he
> > > also wrote the first version of a Pascal compi
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 09:44:54PM +, Charles Forsyth wrote:
> I'm fairly sure Thompson wrote it on sabbatical in Berkeley. I think he
> also wrote the first version of a Pascal compiler.
> Pascal isn't a difficult language but I remember that compiler having an
> unusual style. I think others
Hello,
FWIW, I have put two versions I found under kergis.com downloads zone:
http://downloads.kergis.com/misc/apl4_0.tar.gz
and
http://downloads.kergis.com/misc/apl4_3.tar.gz
The version number is relative to the BSD version it was released with.
The 4.0 has a cat1 man page mentioning Ken Th
Hello,
I have the CSRG Archives CDROM set, with archives from 1978 to 1993
and final 4.4 and 4.4BSD-Lite2.
There are various versions of an APL interpreter and, amongst these,
a version by Ken Thompson, Ross Harvey, Douglas Lanam.
Is that this one you are looking for?
Apparently Caldera has gra
Hello,
On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 11:40:18PM -0800, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> We are pleased to announce the creation of the Plan 9 Foundation.
>
> The Foundation exists to promote and further the development of Plan 9 and
> related technologies for lightweight distributed systems.
>
> More informat
Hello,
On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 07:16:58AM +, cigar562hfsp952f...@icebubble.org
wrote:
> Anthony Sorace writes:
>
> > Hello! After a few years away, we?ll be applying to Google?s Summer of Code
> > program again this year.
>
> ...
>
> > 1. Project ideas. One of the key parts of the applic
On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 04:42:02PM +0100, Pouya Tafti wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2020, at 15:06, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
> > Fabrice Bellard has developed a VM in JavaScript (!!!) allowing to
> > run an OS in a browser. See: https://bellard.org/jslinux/
> >
> > This was brought to my attent
On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 04:35:23PM +0100, hiro wrote:
> i'm slightly disappointed that you're booting alpine and not plan9 in there
>
"I" am not booting anything: I'm riding piggy-back on JSLinux: I just
added kerTeX on top of this and, FWIW, the union of the filesystems is
done with the 9P proto
Fabrice Bellard has developed a VM in JavaScript (!!!) allowing to
run an OS in a browser. See: https://bellard.org/jslinux/
This was brought to my attention by a teacher wanting to teach TeX and
litterate programming to students without the need for them to install
anything. This is done for kerT
In the logs I see tries to install kerTeX on Plan9 but without hget'ing
first the last version of get_mk_install.rc.
But I have changed the name of the recipe for building the core (CM
compiled fonts and others; plain dumps). So the "old" script will work
by side effect because kertex.sh is still
Hello,
The last weeks have been fairly busy in order to release a new version
of kerTeX and of the packages (because of the latest release of LaTeX).
There is a new site (I have not redirected for now; I want to make a
couple of additions in the following days to the new site) but it is
online:
Hello,
Someone trying to install kerTeX under plan9 (9front) was not succeeding
so I had a look.
In my created makefiles (the compilation and installation is done with
POSIX(2) tools so under ape), the ones related to MetaPost had a spurious
continuation line before an empty line in a list of tok
Hello,
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 05:54:30PM -0700, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> Date handling on plan 9 is almost adequate today if you don't
> have to parse dates or deal with timezones, and don't do
> multithreading. Otherwise, it's difficult to get right, and
> we often don't.
>
> We've got a cr
On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 01:44:39PM -0700, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> > But as a general gauge of initial interest it's certainly useful.
>
> Yes, I think that's mostly what's needed right now: Who's interesetd,
> and where they are. It's important to know if we're looking for a
> space to host
On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 01:33:06PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Jeff (jas) and I have been chatting about organizing a "Plan 9 : 2020"
> workshop. We're trying to gauge everyone's interest, and to solicit agenda
> items, venue suggestions, and hopefully volunteers to help organize
On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 11:49:46AM -0700, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> This isn't really a Plan 9 question at this point, but since we've been
> talking about 2e a bit:
>
> 2e included a program road(7), which allowed you to explore a US map
> database. It has a neat property where you can highlight
On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 03:19:49PM -0400, Russ Cox wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 2:02 PM Skip Tavakkolian
> wrote:
> > May I ask what the monthly cost of mailroute-ing 9fans is? I can't
> > decipher the pricing from their site.
>
> Nothing but good things to say about Mailroute.
>
> They're
On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 04:58:35PM -0700, Iruatã Souza wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Mark van Atten
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Mart Zirnask wrote:
> >
> >> I'm a part-time writer and radio producer with no CS background, so I
> >> even use this machine for produci
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 03:22:24PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote:
>
> The bigger problem today is the lack of a modern web browser.
>
FWIW, there is a javascript engine in C:
http://duktape.org/
and a browser if I'm not mistaken written in C (there is the choice
between are several distinct graphic
On Sat, Apr 07, 2018 at 01:14:33PM -0700, Ori Bernstein wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 19:00:37 +0300, 8hal...@airmail.cc wrote:
>
> > Just an amateur C programmer looking for answers. My main inspirations for
> > code style is K&R 2nd edition and I'm curious about the instructions in Plan
> > 9's s
2018-02-12 14:05 GMT+01:00 Ethan Grammatikidis :
> > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Giacomo Tesio wrote:
>> 2018-02-12 2:10 GMT+01:00 Ethan Grammatikidis :
>>> linux-style package managers and bsd-style port trees facilitate and enable
>>> coupling.
>>
>> What a package manager really facilitat
On Sun, Feb 04, 2018 at 10:10:39AM -0800, Erik Quanstrom wrote:
>in my experience smart can be helpful diagnosing grey failures. but it's
>useless to generalize about hdd or ssd firmware wrt smart data.
I suspect that the huge majority of technical resources is
nowadays put on improving the manuf
On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 03:59:26PM -0800, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> >The interesting thing (for me) was that
> >the SMART data from the drive gave it an all clear right to the end. But
> >unlike the SSDs, there was plenty of behavioural warning to remind me to
> >have the backups up to date and a s
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 09:22:36PM +, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> Hi Julius,
>
> I am sorry I didn't support this effort. I'm glad to see the successful
> results. Thank you for sharing your great and creative work.
>
Same here. I didn't understand at first that it was 2015 and not now and
we
Hello,
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 06:39:25PM -0300, Iruatã Souza wrote:
> On 08/17/2017 06:47 AM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have updated kerTeX. The most visible change for user is the
> > possibility to use Anthony Phan's m3D macros for MetaPost allowing
> > 3D figures (this
Hello,
I have reinstalled Plan9 and since the "original" iso had many problems
with my hardware, I went to 9front. I must say that this has solved a
lot so thanks! to the ones that did some good job!
Since in 9front, hget(1) is a rc script and not a binary, the usage of
hget(1) for the kerTeX pac
Hello,
I have updated kerTeX. The most visible change for user is the
possibility to use Anthony Phan's m3D macros for MetaPost allowing
3D figures (this is a package, so it is m...@mp.sh package and not
included in the core distribution).
I have tested (and corrected) compilation, installation a
Hello,
On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:07:03PM +, Steve Simon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I run a modified labs kernel with a few bits of 9atom to support my atom
> Motherboard.
>
> I have added an ssd to the mirrored disks in my plan9 server.
> The initialisation of devfs fails without a helpful error mess
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:01:48PM +0300, Costin Chirvasuta wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Andrew Nazarov
> wrote:
> > I thought the same, but yesterday I noticed that suddenly gmail has begun to
> > mark all the recent 9fans messages as spam.
>
> Same here. Only about 4 messages thoug
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 02:14:54AM +, Staven wrote:
> We live, we die, we live again!
We simply sleep from time to time...
--
Thierry Laronde
http://www.kergis.com/
Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 08:35:04PM +0100, hiro wrote:
> downloads.kergis.com is some http server operated by OVH.
>
> it would be easier to post a pcap from a transfer where you control
> both sides and possibly enable debugging of window sizes, timeouts,
> packet loss, etc. in tcp.c like erik did
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 04:45:12PM +, r...@hemiola.co.uk wrote:
> >Does plan9 under lguest actually use the linux
> >hardware services? Is plan9 under lguest using "its" implementation
> >except for the low level device driving i.e. the ethernet provided
> >by the Linux host?
>
> Yes. The lgue
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 05:19:04PM +0200, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
> > I have hence to ask the provider if there is something,
> > in their configuration, that could explain this
>
> If you can run NetBSD at the same time as Plan 9, you could also use
> tcpdump (whatever its current impersonati
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 10:21:02AM -0500, stanley lieber wrote:
> Have you tried setting and alternate user agent?
>
No. Is it possible to change the string for hget?
--
Thierry Laronde
http://www.kergis.com/
http://www.arts-po.fr/
Key fingerpri
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 02:39:20PM +, r...@hemiola.co.uk wrote:
> I get quite consistent results here.
>
> Downloading http://downloads.kergis.com/kertex/kertex_bundle.tar to /dev/null:
>
> linux over rtl8169 & ASDL : 5.4 seconds
> plan 9 native over rtl8169 & ASDL : 12.4 seconds
>
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 05:20:40AM -0800, erik quanstrom wrote:
> why? what's the evidence?
>
If I download from vanilla Plan9 (running on bare metal) data from
_another http server_, I have correct results.
So the problem is not with Plan9 per se, but downloading from _this_
site (and it is m
FWIW, I have sent a request to my provider asking if Plan9/hget could
trigger a "robot" rule leading to the throttling of the connection.
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Thierry Laronde
http://www.kergis.com/
http://www.arts-po.fr/
Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 01:52:48PM +0100, Mark van Atten wrote:
> Same 9front under virtualbox:
>
> term% time hget -o /dev/null http://mirrors.ctan.org/macros/latex/base.zip
> 0.06u 0.24s 8.74r hget -o /dev/null
> http://mirrors.ctan.org/macros/latex/base.zip
Yes, this is the problem. It is
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 12:17:30PM +, Richard Miller wrote:
> > It seems that Plan9 is not at fault per se
>
> I think it probably is. Here's another data point (same ADSL connection) -
The delicate point is: is plan9 at fault or it is the fact that it is
advertised as Plan9 that is the sour
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 02:00:53PM +0200, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
> > It seems that Plan9 is not at fault per se, but the server I'm on has
> > not a tremendous throughput, and since it is shared, varies greatly.
>
> It could be traffic related in a lot of ways. Or load related. Might
> be w
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:06:47AM +, Richard Miller wrote:
> > If someone under Plan9 could try to download with hget(1):
>
> >From home (ADSL connection) - standard distribution on x86:
>
> 0.15u 0.16s 183.90rhget
> http://downloads.kergis.com/kertex/kertex_bundle.tar
> #l0: rtl8169: 1
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 12:15:41PM +0200, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
> > 0.10u 0.22s 192.79r hget -o kertex_bundle.tar
> > http://downloads.kergis.com/kertex/kertex_bundle.tar
> >
> > This is under 9front under virtualbox 4.3.32.
>
> I get, from my workstation:
>
> 0.21u 1.34s 50.52r hget
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 10:40:18AM +0100, Mark van Atten wrote:
> Dear Thierry,
>
> > If someone under Plan9 could try to download with hget(1):
> >
> > http://downloads.kergis.com/kertex/kertex_bundle.tar
> >
> > and give me the time (it is a 10MB file) to do so,
>
> 0.10u 0.22s 192.79r hget -
Actually, the sources are up-to-date.
Setting "tcp" for /net/log doesn't produce any message.
Since the problem is with one address (http://downloads.kergis.com/),
I will have to snoopy the interface to have a clue about what is going
on (is the negociation leading to this poor performance? Are t
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 08:41:01PM +0100, Mark van Atten wrote:
> > i think that david has a mirror up, and 9fs sources still works here.
>
> http://9p.io/
Thanks, Mark!
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Thierry Laronde
http://www.kergis.com/
http://www.arts-po.fr/
Key finge
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 11:26:58AM -0800, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > anyway, please update your tcp. the debugging tools that are most
> > > helpful with tcp are
> > > /net/tcp/stats
> > > /net/tcp/*/status
> > > echo tcp>/net/log && tail -f /net/log
> >
> > To update I need to update the source
> anyway, please update your tcp. the debugging tools that are most
> helpful with tcp are
> /net/tcp/stats
> /net/tcp/*/status
> echo tcp>/net/log && tail -f /net/log
We have definitively not the same systems ;-) The echo tcp brings an
error for netlog.
But for further puzzling things (for me).
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 09:20:52AM -0800, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Sat Feb 20 06:04:02 PST 2016, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 02:31:54PM +0100, hiro wrote:
> > > what is the latency on WAN?
> >
> > When using traceroute, I have 42.6ms for a roundtrip
> > (cf. with LAN
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 04:06:24PM +0200, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
> > But the very same machine, under NetBSD, with the very same ip address,
> > downloads the very same file from the very same external server
> > (downloads.kergis.com) in 17s, while hget(1) spends 6 minutes doing
> > it.
>
>
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 02:31:54PM +0100, hiro wrote:
> what is the latency on WAN?
When using traceroute, I have 42.6ms for a roundtrip
(cf. with LAN: 0.23ms).
But the very same machine, under NetBSD, with the very same ip address,
downloads the very same file from the very same external server
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 12:23:29PM +0100, Kenny Lasse Hoff Levinsen wrote:
>> [rtl8169 gbe full speed on LAN; very slow on WAN]
> Is your MTU higher that 1500? That might be able to mess things up over the
> internet.
>
Thanks for the suggestion but no: even with -m 1500, speed is still
awful.
I have compared downloading a file (via ftpfs) on the LAN, and
downloading it from the WAN.
On the LAN, I get the 10MB file in less than a 1s (this is normal since
the node I download from has only a 100Mb ethernet).
On the WAN, it takes 6 minutes (with hget).
My conclusion is that the card devi
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 07:13:23AM -0800, erik quanstrom wrote:
>
> > TxOk: 4483
> > RxOk: 7520
> [..]
> > xmit descr queue len: highwater 0/31 curr 0 hitmax 0
>
> this doesn't look like very much traffic. how did you test? are you using
> the latest tcp? what is the ping latency? older
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