Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-02 Thread Roman V Shaposhnik
On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 22:02 +0200, Bernd R. Fix wrote: As I wrote in an earlier mail, I am not too deep into this licensing stuff, but I know what I would like to have for my software: I want it Open-Source - that's my basic 'statement'. For me this means: I am willing to share my ideas (and

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-02 Thread Bernd R. Fix
Roman V Shaposhnik schrieb: Not implying anything, just a question: what made you pick GPL in the first place? Thanks to everyone for sharing their views on the licensing issue. Quite a few statements and arguments to think about... Choosing an appropriate license for a project is even trickier

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread hiro
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Bernd R. Fix bernd@aspector.com wrote: Hi, I just want to announce that a new 9P-related framework has been published (pre-alpha status, PoC). You find the current project documentation on the project homepage http://aspector.com/~brf/J9P;; the published

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread David Leimbach
Very cool. Can I mount it with v9fs? :-) I may actually have a use for such a thing very soon, oddly enough. Dave On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:43 AM, Bernd R. Fix bernd@aspector.com wrote: Hi, I just want to announce that a new 9P-related framework has been published (pre-alpha status,

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread Roman V Shaposhnik
This is seriously cool and must be added to: http://9p.cat-v.org/implementations Thanks, Roman. On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 13:43 +0200, Bernd R. Fix wrote: Hi, I just want to announce that a new 9P-related framework has been published (pre-alpha status, PoC). You find the current project

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread David Leimbach
Anyway to get a non GPL v3 licensed version from you? I may not be able to use this implementation for what I want otherwise. I was actually planning on doing this myself, anyway at one point, and BSDLng it. I figured the best way to understand 9p would be to implement it :-) Dave On Wed, Apr

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Bernd R. Fix bernd@aspector.com wrote: David Leimbach schrieb: Anyway to get a non GPL v3 licensed version from you? I may not be able to use this implementation for what I want otherwise. I was actually planning on doing this myself, anyway at one

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread Roman V Shaposhnik
On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 18:49 +0200, Bernd R. Fix wrote: David Leimbach schrieb: Anyway to get a non GPL v3 licensed version from you? I may not be able to use this implementation for what I want otherwise. I was actually planning on doing this myself, anyway at one point, and BSDLng it.

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread Bernd R. Fix
Roman V Shaposhnik schrieb: On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 18:49 +0200, Bernd R. Fix wrote: David Leimbach schrieb: Anyway to get a non GPL v3 licensed version from you? I may not be able to use this implementation for what I want otherwise. I was actually planning on doing this myself, anyway at one

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread Alex Efros
Hi! On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:02:04PM +0200, Bernd R. Fix wrote: 2.) You have an OS project with a different, incompatible license and want to include a GPL project or base some work on it. I am sure that this problem occurred many times in the past; maybe there even exists a

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:19:08PM +0300, Alex Efros wrote: Hi! On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:02:04PM +0200, Bernd R. Fix wrote: 2.) You have an OS project with a different, incompatible license and want to include a GPL project or base some work on it. I am sure that this

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 04:42:18PM -0400, J.R. Mauro wrote: On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:19:08PM +0300, Alex Efros wrote: Hi! On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:02:04PM +0200, Bernd R. Fix wrote: 2.) You have an OS project with a different, incompatible license and want to include a GPL

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread Latchesar Ionkov
Are you sure there will be any improvements of your code if nobody wants to use it because of the license? Lucho On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:42 PM, J.R. Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:19:08PM +0300, Alex Efros wrote: Hi! On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 10:02:04PM +0200,

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread Wes Kussmaul
Alex Efros wrote: GPL is a virus, designed to war against commercial software. That's not my war. Let's now pretend it's late August, the flame war has subsided after 500+ messages, and we can get on with the other discussions.

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread Uriel
Actually the GPL doesn't do what you guys claim it to do, it doesn't require people to share back with you changes to your code, it only requires them to release their changes if they *redistribute* their code. Anyway, licenses are an annoyance and a waste of everyone's time and resources. I

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Wes Kussmaul w...@authentrus.com wrote: Alex Efros wrote: GPL is a virus, designed to war against commercial software. That's not my war. Let's now pretend it's late August, the flame war has subsided after 500+ messages, and we can get on with the other

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread hiro
So while the forcible sharing of the GPL is kind of fascist, I don't see any other way to have the guarantee that improvements to your code by others are made available to you. Stealing code is common practice, don't try to prevent it. And there are no guarantees as you can see in piratebay

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 02:47:29PM -0600, Latchesar Ionkov wrote: Are you sure there will be any improvements of your code if nobody wants to use it because of the license? Ok, this is flamebait, but... From what I've seen, it works; there are plenty of projects under the GPL that get

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:11:28PM +0200, Uriel wrote: Actually the GPL doesn't do what you guys claim it to do, it doesn't require people to share back with you changes to your code, it only requires them to release their changes if they *redistribute* their code. Trying to enforce private

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread hiro
Trying to enforce private use of licensed code is impossible. It's like trying to prevent someone from making C4 in their home and keeping it in their basement. The approach every license I've seen takes is a don't ask, don't tell policy, which is as effectual as a license can get. Thank god