Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
Well put Albert. Thanks for that feedback. What still has me curious is why BE wouldn't work in your environment and why ntbackup does (partially at least). ntbackup as written by the same exact people and has a lot of the same code (it's licensed by Microsoft from Seagate last I checked). Ntbackup is the less featured version designed for single host backups and extended to act like it does more. So that said, I agree that the goal is that your client's data is backed up. I have to say that I disagree that jury-rigs, mickey mouse and by the seat of your pants is the long term solution though. That's an infrastructure component that will come back to haunt at some point down the road. As an interim fix, of course it can work. I'm not blinded by the big vendors to the point that I think they have the only solution. Far from it. But I like to think that I can at least share some perspective and experience related to where it leads and I definitely favor technology over layer8 processes. Why? Because layer8 changes and grows out of current positions and foundational solutions should not have to be decimated when that happens. I've seen that way too often to care to see it continue where possible. Basically, I hate to see a foundational solution such as backup, rely on such complexity and human intervention. I completely understand that you have to do what you have to do. When you wrote it in your original email, it sounded like you approved of that method. Reading this last one, I can you don't. I was just trying to point out where that leads and trying to understand how you go there. I bet I would have gotten there the same way you did ;) Best of luck getting that worked out. If you need anything from me, please don't hesitate. I have been known to make some backup solutions work :) Feel free to ping off-line if I can be of any help. On 10/31/06, Albert Duro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Al, since you ask, no I don't see it differently, at least not at the oratorical level. But where the rubber meets the road, things can look very different. Like the military say, the best laid plan falls apart the moment it meets the enemy. You assume that I monkey around with Ntbackup and balky media for economic reasons. In fact, we spared no expense (relative to our small size) to put in industrial-strength backup systems, both software and hardware. Even paid consultants to set it up and manage it. It blew up in our faces. Primarily because Backup Exec just wouldn't work right in our environment. (I'm not saying that BE isn't a fine product, it would just never work for us). Why not? Don't know -- I couldn't figure it out. Our consultants couldn't figure it out. Veritas support couldn't either, nor the autoloader manufacturer. For more than two years, nobody could figure it out, until I decided to stop throwing good money after bad. Did I try alternative products? In the same class, yes -- more tales of woe, but different reasons. We did not nor are we going to buy the high-end systems, which cost more than our whole network is worth.So I was left with NTBackup, andadmittedly a littlemore gun-shyness about brand-name backup products than is strictly rational. That's what I have to work with, and I try to make the best of it. That's the 'real world' in my little corner of it. Believe me, when you and joe and others on this list urge us to 'make the best', I listen, I learn,and I applaud. And it does push me in that direction. But the only path there goes through 'make the bestof whatyou've got'. It's bumpy and often barricaded.But after all is said and done, the REAL point is that I am preserving my clients' data and keeping them happy. Jury-rigs, mickey mouse, and by-the-pants not withstanding. -- Original Message - From: Al Mulnick To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:30 AM Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- sub-optimal media are part of the real world? Wow, thanks :) Truth be told, that's a rant of mine. I've heard a lot (lately especially) about how we want to do things cheap and inexpensive and we'll fix it later and so on. I've also spent a great deal of time cleaning up that kind of stuff. Unfortunately, once it escapes into the real world then it becomes more difficult to clean up because you have to do so in front of customers/clients. Interesting approach though. Usually a less disciplined from what I've seen and often results in more expense related to downtime and troubleshooting and lack of service. I'm interested if you see differently though. This area of the business fascinates me On 10/28/06, Albert Duro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure you and Susan are right. All I'm saying is that it *can* happen, and for me, why take the chance when one-job/one-task is easy to do. Good point about the media
Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
Al, since you ask, no I don't see it differently, at least not
at the oratorical level. But where the rubber meets the road, things can
look very different. Like the military say, the best laid plan falls apart the
moment it meets the enemy. You assume that I monkey around with Ntbackup
and balky media for economic reasons. In fact, we spared no expense
(relative to our small size) to put in industrial-strength backup systems, both
software and hardware. Even paid consultants to set it up and manage
it.
It blew up in our faces. Primarily because Backup Exec
just wouldn't work right in our environment. (I'm not saying that BE isn't
a fine product, it would just never work for us). Why not? Don't
know -- I couldn't figure it out. Our consultants couldn't figure it
out. Veritas support couldn't either, nor the autoloader
manufacturer. For more than two years, nobody could figure it out, until I
decided to stop throwing good money after bad.
Did I try alternative products? In the same class, yes
-- more tales of woe, but different reasons. We did not nor are we going
to buy the high-end systems, which cost more than our whole network is
worth.So I was left with NTBackup, andadmittedly a littlemore
gun-shyness about brand-name backup products than is strictly
rational. That's what I have to work with, and I try to make the
best of it. That's the 'real world' in my little corner of
it.
Believe me, when you and joe and others on this list urge us
to 'make the best', I listen, I learn,and I applaud. And it does
push me in that direction. But the only path there goes through 'make the
bestof whatyou've got'. It's bumpy and often
barricaded.But after all is said and done, the REAL point is that I am
preserving my clients' data and keeping them happy. Jury-rigs, mickey
mouse, and by-the-pants not withstanding.
-- Original Message -
From:
Al Mulnick
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:30
AM
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log
files --Disk Full--
sub-optimal media are part of the real world?
Wow, thanks :)
Truth be told, that's a rant of mine. I've heard a lot (lately
especially) about how we want to do things cheap and inexpensive and we'll fix
it later and so on. I've also spent a great deal of time cleaning up that kind
of stuff. Unfortunately, once it escapes into the "real world" then it
becomes more difficult to clean up because you have to do so in front of
customers/clients.
Interesting approach though. Usually a less disciplined from what I've
seen and often results in more expense related to downtime and troubleshooting
and lack of service. I'm interested if you see differently though.
This area of the business fascinates me
On 10/28/06, Albert
Duro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'm sure you and Susan are right. All I'm saying is
that it *can* happen, and for me, why take the chance when
one-job/one-task is easy to do.
Good point about the media, and that may explain my case,
but, hey, sub-optimal media situations are part of the real
world.
- Original Message -
From: Al Mulnick
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 6:33
AM
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log
files --Disk Full--
I've not had that same experience. Granted, it's a limited
feature utility (note the use of the word utility vs. tool as requested)
but it's still capable of doing more. There were some fixes to
ntbackup in service packs and such. You might want to verify you're
using the latest version of that's what you see.
Also, check the media it's headed to. It's error handling is
not very elegant, but I've found it to be useful and strong enough to
stand up to some complex tasks in the past.I've got several running
now via cli that have been in place for more than half a year without
issue (I know, I know, spend all that money on an enterprise backup system
only to backup some machines locally. But there are times when it
makes more sense, trust me.)
-ajm
On 10/27/06, Albert
Duro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've found, with NTbackup, that if you cram two or
more tasks into a backup job, it's very likely to fail. For example, if
you do a System State and a file backup and an Exchange backup in the
same job. It's best to separate each task into its own job, and
sort it out in the scheduling.
A mixed job will also work for a while and then fail,
which sounds like what happened to OP.
- Original Message -
From: Wells, James Arthur
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Cc:
Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
sub-optimal media are part of the real world? Wow, thanks :) Truth be told, that's a rant of mine. I've heard a lot (lately especially) about how we want to do things cheap and inexpensive and we'll fix it later and so on. I've also spent a great deal of time cleaning up that kind of stuff. Unfortunately, once it escapes into the real world then it becomes more difficult to clean up because you have to do so in front of customers/clients. Interesting approach though. Usually a less disciplined from what I've seen and often results in more expense related to downtime and troubleshooting and lack of service. I'm interested if you see differently though. This area of the business fascinates me On 10/28/06, Albert Duro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure you and Susan are right. All I'm saying is that it *can* happen, and for me, why take the chance when one-job/one-task is easy to do. Good point about the media, and that may explain my case, but, hey, sub-optimal media situations are part of the real world. - Original Message - From: Al Mulnick To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- I've not had that same experience. Granted, it's a limited feature utility (note the use of the word utility vs. tool as requested) but it's still capable of doing more. There were some fixes to ntbackup in service packs and such. You might want to verify you're using the latest version of that's what you see. Also, check the media it's headed to. It's error handling is not very elegant, but I've found it to be useful and strong enough to stand up to some complex tasks in the past.I've got several running now via cli that have been in place for more than half a year without issue (I know, I know, spend all that money on an enterprise backup system only to backup some machines locally. But there are times when it makes more sense, trust me.) -ajm On 10/27/06, Albert Duro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found, with NTbackup, that if you cram two or more tasks into a backup job, it's very likely to fail. For example, if you do a System State and a file backup and an Exchange backup in the same job. It's best to separate each task into its own job, and sort it out in the scheduling. A mixed job will also work for a while and then fail, which sounds like what happened to OP. - Original Message - From: Wells, James Arthur To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Cc: Technical Support Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:21 PM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Do you have multiple information stores on this storage group? (If using Exchange Enterprise edition)...the logs can't flush until all stores have a full backup, because the logs are shared... --James From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Technical SupportSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:16 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi, I am running Normal Backup. Using NTBackup Utility. Backing up Information store. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Missy Koslosky Sent: Thu 10/26/2006 12:49 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Are you running full (AKA normal) backups every night? It seems not. Use NTBackup to backup to disk (obviously, you'll need a disk with over 120GB of available space) and then use whatever normal program you use to back that backup onto tape. This will keep you running until you sort out why your normal backup software isn't flushing the logs when the backup completes. How are you currently running backups? What software is in use? Are you sure it's Exchange aware? Are you doing brick level backups or copy backups instead of a full backup? Neither will flush the logs. I'd resolve this as quickly as possible, because if you are in a situation where you have to replay the logs, you're NOT going to be a happy camper. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Technical SupportSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:09 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi All, Kindly suggest, what i can do about my Exchange Log files? I have about 120 GB Log files for past 4 months. I havea few doubts:- Do i really need all those log files? If yes, Then how is it possible to manage with this as i have a very limited space left. Can i delete these log files? Backup doesnt remove these log files? i am really running out of space on my Exchange log storage drive. Thanks!!! Ravi
Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
I've not had that same experience. Granted, it's a limited feature utility (note the use of the word utility vs. tool as requested) but it's still capable of doing more. There were some fixes to ntbackup in service packs and such. You might want to verify you're using the latest version of that's what you see. Also, check the media it's headed to. It's error handling is not very elegant, but I've found it to be useful and strong enough to stand up to some complex tasks in the past.I've got several running now via cli that have been in place for more than half a year without issue (I know, I know, spend all that money on an enterprise backup system only to backup some machines locally. But there are times when it makes more sense, trust me.) -ajm On 10/27/06, Albert Duro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found, with NTbackup, that if you cram two or more tasks into a backup job, it's very likely to fail. For example, if you do a System State and a file backup and an Exchange backup in the same job. It's best to separate each task into its own job, and sort it out in the scheduling. A mixed job will also work for a while and then fail, which sounds like what happened to OP. - Original Message - From: Wells, James Arthur To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Cc: Technical Support Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:21 PM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Do you have multiple information stores on this storage group? (If using Exchange Enterprise edition)...the logs can't flush until all stores have a full backup, because the logs are shared... --James From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Technical SupportSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:16 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi, I am running Normal Backup. Using NTBackup Utility. Backing up Information store. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Missy Koslosky Sent: Thu 10/26/2006 12:49 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Are you running full (AKA normal) backups every night? It seems not. Use NTBackup to backup to disk (obviously, you'll need a disk with over 120GB of available space) and then use whatever normal program you use to back that backup onto tape. This will keep you running until you sort out why your normal backup software isn't flushing the logs when the backup completes. How are you currently running backups? What software is in use? Are you sure it's Exchange aware? Are you doing brick level backups or copy backups instead of a full backup? Neither will flush the logs. I'd resolve this as quickly as possible, because if you are in a situation where you have to replay the logs, you're NOT going to be a happy camper. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Technical SupportSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:09 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi All, Kindly suggest, what i can do about my Exchange Log files? I have about 120 GB Log files for past 4 months. I havea few doubts:- Do i really need all those log files? If yes, Then how is it possible to manage with this as i have a very limited space left. Can i delete these log files? Backup doesnt remove these log files? i am really running out of space on my Exchange log storage drive. Thanks!!! Ravi
Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
I'm sure you and Susan are right. All I'm saying is that it *can* happen, and for me, why take the chance when one-job/one-task is easy to do. Good point about the media, and that may explain my case, but, hey, sub-optimal media situations are part of the real world. - Original Message - From: Al Mulnick To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- I've not had that same experience. Granted, it's a limited feature utility (note the use of the word utility vs. tool as requested) but it's still capable of doing more. There were some fixes to ntbackup in service packs and such. You might want to verify you're using the latest version of that's what you see. Also, check the media it's headed to. It's error handling is not very elegant, but I've found it to be useful and strong enough to stand up to some complex tasks in the past.I've got several running now via cli that have been in place for more than half a year without issue (I know, I know, spend all that money on an enterprise backup system only to backup some machines locally. But there are times when it makes more sense, trust me.) -ajm On 10/27/06, Albert Duro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found, with NTbackup, that if you cram two or more tasks into a backup job, it's very likely to fail. For example, if you do a System State and a file backup and an Exchange backup in the same job. It's best to separate each task into its own job, and sort it out in the scheduling. A mixed job will also work for a while and then fail, which sounds like what happened to OP. - Original Message - From: Wells, James Arthur To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Cc: Technical Support Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:21 PM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Do you have multiple information stores on this storage group? (If using Exchange Enterprise edition)...the logs can't flush until all stores have a full backup, because the logs are shared... --James From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Technical SupportSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:16 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi, I am running Normal Backup. Using NTBackup Utility. Backing up Information store. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Missy Koslosky Sent: Thu 10/26/2006 12:49 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Are you running full (AKA normal) backups every night? It seems not. Use NTBackup to backup to disk (obviously, you'll need a disk with over 120GB of available space) and then use whatever normal program you use to back that backup onto tape. This will keep you running until you sort out why your normal backup software isn't flushing the logs when the backup completes. How are you currently running backups? What software is in use? Are you sure it's Exchange aware? Are you doing brick level backups or copy backups instead of a full backup? Neither will flush the logs. I'd resolve this as quickly as possible, because if you are in a situation where you have to replay the logs, you're NOT going to be a happy camper. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Technical SupportSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:09 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi All, Kindly suggest, what i can do about my Exchange Log files? I have about 120 GB Log files for past 4 months. I havea few doubts:- Do i really need all those log files? If yes, Then how is it possible to manage with this as i have a very limited space left. Can i delete these log files? Backup doesnt remove these log files? i am really running out of space on my Exchange log storage drive. Thanks!!! Ravi
Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
We're backing up to harddrives a lot these days as tape has not kept pace. Albert Duro wrote: I'm sure you and Susan are right. All I'm saying is that it *can* happen, and for me, why take the chance when one-job/one-task is easy to do. Good point about the media, and that may explain my case, but, hey, sub-optimal media situations are part of the real world. - Original Message - *From:* Al Mulnick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Sent:* Saturday, October 28, 2006 6:33 AM *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- I've not had that same experience. Granted, it's a limited feature utility (note the use of the word utility vs. tool as requested) but it's still capable of doing more. There were some fixes to ntbackup in service packs and such. You might want to verify you're using the latest version of that's what you see. Also, check the media it's headed to. It's error handling is not very elegant, but I've found it to be useful and strong enough to stand up to some complex tasks in the past. I've got several running now via cli that have been in place for more than half a year without issue (I know, I know, spend all that money on an enterprise backup system only to backup some machines locally. But there are times when it makes more sense, trust me.) -ajm On 10/27/06, *Albert Duro* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found, with NTbackup, that if you cram two or more tasks into a backup job, it's very likely to fail. For example, if you do a System State and a file backup and an Exchange backup in the same job. It's best to separate each task into its own job, and sort it out in the scheduling. A mixed job will also work for a while and then fail, which sounds like what happened to OP. - Original Message - *From:* Wells, James Arthur mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Cc:* Technical Support mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:21 PM *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Do you have multiple information stores on this storage group? (If using Exchange Enterprise edition)...the logs can't flush until all stores have a full backup, because the logs are shared... --James *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Technical Support *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:16 PM *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi, I am running Normal Backup. Using NTBackup Utility. Backing up Information store. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Missy Koslosky *Sent:* Thu 10/26/2006 12:49 PM *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Are you running full (AKA normal) backups every night? It seems not. Use NTBackup to backup to disk (obviously, you'll need a disk with over 120GB of available space) and then use whatever normal program you use to back that backup onto tape. This will keep you running until you sort out why your normal backup software isn't flushing the logs when the backup completes. How are you currently running backups? What software is in use? Are you sure it's Exchange aware? Are you doing brick level backups or copy backups instead of a full backup? Neither will flush the logs. I'd resolve this as quickly as possible, because if you are in a situation where you have to replay the logs, you're NOT going to be a happy camper. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
I've found, with NTbackup, that if you cram two or more tasks into a backup job, it's very likely to fail. For example, if you do a System State and a file backup and an Exchange backup in the same job. It's best to separate each task into its own job, and sort it out in the scheduling. A mixed job will also work for a while and then fail, which sounds like what happened to OP. - Original Message - From: Wells, James Arthur To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Cc: Technical Support Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:21 PM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Do you have multiple information stores on this storage group? (If using Exchange Enterprise edition)...the logs can't flush until all stores have a full backup, because the logs are shared... --James From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Technical SupportSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:16 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi, I am running Normal Backup. Using NTBackup Utility. Backing up Information store. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Missy KosloskySent: Thu 10/26/2006 12:49 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Are you running full (AKA normal) backups every night? It seems not. Use NTBackup to backup to disk (obviously, you'll need a disk with over 120GB of available space) and then use whatever normal program you use to back that backup onto tape. This will keep you running until you sort out why your normal backup software isn't flushing the logs when the backup completes. How are you currently running backups? What software is in use? Are you sure it's Exchange aware? Are you doing brick level backups or copy backups instead of a full backup? Neither will flush the logs. I'd resolve this as quickly as possible, because if you are in a situation where you have to replay the logs, you're NOT going to be a happy camper. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Technical SupportSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:09 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi All, Kindly suggest, what i can do about my Exchange Log files? I have about 120 GB Log files for past 4 months. I havea few doubts:- Do i really need all those log files? If yes, Then how is it possible to manage with this as i have a very limited space left. Can i delete these log files? Backup doesnt remove these log files? i am really running out of space on my Exchange log storage drive. Thanks!!! Ravi
Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
Granted we have smaller things to backup...but uh... we're backing up system state, file backups, exchange 'and' the kitchen sink service backup all at once and everything works. If you want to do ntbackup tweakage check out backupassist http://www.backupassist.com/index.html Albert Duro wrote: I've found, with NTbackup, that if you cram two or more tasks into a backup job, it's very likely to fail. For example, if you do a System State and a file backup and an Exchange backup in the same job. It's best to separate each task into its own job, and sort it out in the scheduling. A mixed job will also work for a while and then fail, which sounds like what happened to OP. - Original Message - *From:* Wells, James Arthur mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Cc:* Technical Support mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:21 PM *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Do you have multiple information stores on this storage group? (If using Exchange Enterprise edition)...the logs can't flush until all stores have a full backup, because the logs are shared... --James *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Technical Support *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:16 PM *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi, I am running Normal Backup. Using NTBackup Utility. Backing up Information store. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Missy Koslosky *Sent:* Thu 10/26/2006 12:49 PM *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Are you running full (AKA normal) backups every night? It seems not. Use NTBackup to backup to disk (obviously, you'll need a disk with over 120GB of available space) and then use whatever normal program you use to back that backup onto tape. This will keep you running until you sort out why your normal backup software isn't flushing the logs when the backup completes. How are you currently running backups? What software is in use? Are you sure it's Exchange aware? Are you doing brick level backups or copy backups instead of a full backup? Neither will flush the logs. I'd resolve this as quickly as possible, because if you are in a situation where you have to replay the logs, you're NOT going to be a happy camper. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Technical Support *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:09 AM *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi All, Kindly suggest, what i can do about my Exchange Log files? I have about 120 GB Log files for past 4 months. I have a few doubts:- Do i really need all those log files? If yes, Then how is it possible to manage with this as i have a very limited space left. Can i delete these log files? Backup doesnt remove these log files? i am really running out of space on my Exchange log storage drive. *Thanks!!!* Ravi -- Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? http://www.threatcode.com If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you down... http://blogs.technet.com/sbs List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir@mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
If you do a full (normal) backup using a real backup tool (ntbackup, Veritas with the Exchange Backup Agent, etc) the logs will be flushed. Period. For some reason you arent getting a clean backup. Thats what you need to be checking into. Temporarily, you can compress (using NTFS compression not WinZIP or PowerArc or anything like that) the logfiles until you can make that backup. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Technical Support Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:09 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi All, Kindly suggest, what i can do about my Exchange Log files? I have about 120 GB Log files for past 4 months. I havea few doubts:- Do i really need all those log files? If yes, Then how is it possible to manage with this as i have a very limited space left. Can i delete these log files? Backup doesnt remove these log files? i am really running out of space on my Exchange log storage drive. Thanks!!! Ravi
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
Backup should truncate the log files. However, depending on which software you are using, sometimes truncate log files is an option that you have to select. What backup software are you running? Are you running an exchange backup or just a file backup of the Exchange server? If you are only backing up files, and not the actual Info Store, then you are not getting a good (or even usable) backup. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Technical Support Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:09 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi All, Kindly suggest, what i can do about my Exchange Log files? I have about 120 GB Log files for past 4 months. I havea few doubts:- Do i really need all those log files? If yes, Then how is it possible to manage with this as i have a very limited space left. Can i delete these log files? Backup doesnt remove these log files? i am really running out of space on my Exchange log storage drive. Thanks!!! Ravi
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
Take a look at the section titled The path less traveled- Remove unneeded log files manually in the article http://www.msexchange.org/articles/Exchange-log-disk-full.html It shows how to checkpoint the logs, so you can remove them manually without fear they will be required in the event of disaster recovery. /aaron From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Technical Support Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:09 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi All, Kindly suggest, what i can do about my Exchange Log files? I have about 120 GB Log files for past 4 months. I havea few doubts:- Do i really need all those log files? If yes, Then how is it possible to manage with this as i have a very limited space left. Can i delete these log files? Backup doesnt remove these log files? i am really running out of space on my Exchange log storage drive. Thanks!!! Ravi
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
Are you running full (AKA normal) backups every night? It seems not. Use NTBackup to backup to disk (obviously, you'll need a disk with over 120GB of available space) and then use whatever normal program you use to back that backup onto tape. This will keep you running until you sort out why your normal backup software isn't flushing the logs when the backup completes. How are you currently running backups? What software is in use? Are you sure it's Exchange aware? Are you doing brick level backups or copy backups instead of a full backup? Neither will flush the logs. I'd resolve this as quickly as possible, because if you are in a situation where you have to replay the logs, you're NOT going to be a happy camper. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Technical SupportSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:09 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi All, Kindly suggest, what i can do about my Exchange Log files? I have about 120 GB Log files for past 4 months. I havea few doubts:- Do i really need all those log files? If yes, Then how is it possible to manage with this as i have a very limited space left. Can i delete these log files? Backup doesnt remove these log files? i am really running out of space on my Exchange log storage drive. Thanks!!! Ravi
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
Yes, I have been doing full backup but unfortunately logs arent flushed. What could be the possible reason for that. I have to look for it. I am using NTBackup. There is no option for Truncate Log Files in this backup utility. I am running Info Store backup. Any suggestions. Thanks!!! Ravi From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Michael B. Smith Sent: Thu 10/26/2006 11:38 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- If you do a full (normal) backup using a real backup tool (ntbackup, Veritas with the Exchange Backup Agent, etc) - the logs will be flushed. Period. For some reason - you aren't getting a clean backup. That's what you need to be checking into. Temporarily, you can compress (using NTFS compression - not WinZIP or PowerArc or anything like that) the logfiles until you can make that backup. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Technical Support Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:09 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi All, Kindly suggest, what i can do about my Exchange Log files? I have about 120 GB Log files for past 4 months. I have a few doubts:- Do i really need all those log files? If yes, Then how is it possible to manage with this as i have a very limited space left. Can i delete these log files? Backup doesnt remove these log files? i am really running out of space on my Exchange log storage drive. Thanks!!! Ravi DISCLAIMER: This message contains privileged and confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the intended recipient you should not disseminate,distribute,store,print, copy or deliver this message. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted,corrupted,lost,destroyed, arrive late or incomplete or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. winmail.dat
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
Hi, I am running Normal Backup. Using NTBackup Utility. Backing up Information store. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Missy KosloskySent: Thu 10/26/2006 12:49 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Are you running full (AKA normal) backups every night? It seems not. Use NTBackup to backup to disk (obviously, you'll need a disk with over 120GB of available space) and then use whatever normal program you use to back that backup onto tape. This will keep you running until you sort out why your normal backup software isn't flushing the logs when the backup completes. How are you currently running backups? What software is in use? Are you sure it's Exchange aware? Are you doing brick level backups or copy backups instead of a full backup? Neither will flush the logs. I'd resolve this as quickly as possible, because if you are in a situation where you have to replay the logs, you're NOT going to be a happy camper. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Technical SupportSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:09 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi All, Kindly suggest, what i can do about my Exchange Log files? I have about 120 GB Log files for past 4 months. I havea few doubts:- Do i really need all those log files? If yes, Then how is it possible to manage with this as i have a very limited space left. Can i delete these log files? Backup doesnt remove these log files? i am really running out of space on my Exchange log storage drive. Thanks!!! Ravi
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
Ntbackup considers the option to Flush Log Files so obvious that it doesnt even ask. Are you seeing any errors in the backup logs? I have seen ntbackup fail after the data was backed up but before it flushed logs, if some of the permissions were changed. Of course this was 3 years ago, so I dont remember which permissions those were. Were backups flushing logs before 4 months ago? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Technical Support Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:56 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Yes, I have been doing full backup but unfortunately logs arent flushed. What could be the possible reason for that. I have to look for it. I am using NTBackup. There is no option for Truncate Log Files in this backup utility. I am running Info Store backup. Any suggestions. Thanks!!! Ravi From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Michael B. Smith Sent: Thu 10/26/2006 11:38 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- If you do a full (normal) backup using a real backup tool (ntbackup, Veritas with the Exchange Backup Agent, etc) the logs will be flushed. Period. For some reason you arent getting a clean backup. Thats what you need to be checking into. Temporarily, you can compress (using NTFS compression not WinZIP or PowerArc or anything like that) the logfiles until you can make that backup. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Technical Support Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:09 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi All, Kindly suggest, what i can do about my Exchange Log files? I have about 120 GB Log files for past 4 months. I havea few doubts:- Do i really need all those log files? If yes, Then how is it possible to manage with this as i have a very limited space left. Can i delete these log files? Backup doesnt remove these log files? i am really running out of space on my Exchange log storage drive. Thanks!!! Ravi
Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
Make sure you aren't doing a copy backup...it needs to be a normal backup. Teo On 10/26/06, Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I have been doing full backup but unfortunately logs arent flushed. What could be the possible reason for that. I have to look for it. I am using NTBackup. There is no option for Truncate Log Files in this backup utility. I am running Info Store backup.Any suggestions.Thanks!!!Ravi From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Michael B. SmithSent: Thu 10/26/2006 11:38 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--If you do a full (normal) backup using a real backup tool (ntbackup, Veritas with the Exchange Backup Agent, etc) - the logs will be flushed. Period. For some reason - you aren't getting a clean backup. That's what you need to be checking into.Temporarily, you can compress (using NTFS compression - not WinZIP or PowerArc or anything like that) the logfiles until you can make that backup. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Technical Support Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:09 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--Hi All, Kindly suggest, what i can do about my Exchange Log files?I have about 120 GB Log files for past 4 months. I have a few doubts:-Do i really need all those log files?If yes, Then how is it possible to manage with this as i have a very limited space left. Can i delete these log files?Backup doesnt remove these log files?i am really running out of space on my Exchange log storage drive.Thanks!!!RaviDISCLAIMER: This message contains privileged and confidential information and is intended only for the individual named.If you are not the intended recipient you should not disseminate,distribute,store,print, copy or deliver this message. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system.E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted,corrupted,lost,destroyed, arrive late or incomplete or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version.
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full--
Do you have multiple information stores on this storage group? (If using Exchange Enterprise edition)...the logs can't flush until all stores have a full backup, because the logs are shared... --James From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Technical SupportSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:16 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi, I am running Normal Backup. Using NTBackup Utility. Backing up Information store. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Missy KosloskySent: Thu 10/26/2006 12:49 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Are you running full (AKA normal) backups every night? It seems not. Use NTBackup to backup to disk (obviously, you'll need a disk with over 120GB of available space) and then use whatever normal program you use to back that backup onto tape. This will keep you running until you sort out why your normal backup software isn't flushing the logs when the backup completes. How are you currently running backups? What software is in use? Are you sure it's Exchange aware? Are you doing brick level backups or copy backups instead of a full backup? Neither will flush the logs. I'd resolve this as quickly as possible, because if you are in a situation where you have to replay the logs, you're NOT going to be a happy camper. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Technical SupportSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:09 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk Full-- Hi All, Kindly suggest, what i can do about my Exchange Log files? I have about 120 GB Log files for past 4 months. I havea few doubts:- Do i really need all those log files? If yes, Then how is it possible to manage with this as i have a very limited space left. Can i delete these log files? Backup doesnt remove these log files? i am really running out of space on my Exchange log storage drive. Thanks!!! Ravi
