Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Ken Hohhof
Sierra Wireless should pay you a consulting fee to help them fix this problem. At a minimum, let you have a copy of the source code. From: AF On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 7:58 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Delphi Auto GPS Units

2020-01-02 Thread Jaime Solorza
Two years ago I sold some GPS repeaters to Delphi engineering department in Chihuahua to test these...I got them from England and shipped directly to them. On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 1:52 PM Nate Burke wrote: > Anyone else use the Delphi Modules for vehicle tracking (and local 4G > Hotspot)? It was

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Ken Hohhof
Hell, the Internet will probably be obsolete by then, replaced by quantum entanglement, cranial implants, teleportation, and where are our flying cars? Wasn’t Blade Runner set in 2019 Los Angeles? And didn’t Doc and Marty travel to future 2015 in the DeLorean time machine? From: AF On

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Bill Prince
Maybe most likely we have 4 years to forget about it. bp On 1/2/2020 5:30 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: The crucial question seems to be, do we mark our calendars for 4 years from now, midnight Moscow time,

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
All of the affected modules should be able to be flashed. Whether or not the facility is in place to do so depends a lot on the design choices made. I purposefully have ensured that there is some way to update firmware in the field for all of these modules, with varying levels of pain. I'm

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Mathew Howard
ePMP has had firmware updates for the GPS module in the past, so they certainly have that capability. On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 7:31 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > The crucial question seems to be, do we mark our calendars for 4 years > from now, midnight Moscow time, New Years Eve 2023? So we can power

Re: [AFMUG] This Question Again

2020-01-02 Thread Ken Hohhof
Who could think 2” was a good idea? Oh, and let’s hide a key under the welcome mat. From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 7:13 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This Question Again Well, they did different levels. The Louisville

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Ken Hohhof
The crucial question seems to be, do we mark our calendars for 4 years from now, midnight Moscow time, New Years Eve 2023? So we can power cycle a bunch of GPS receivers? Or is there some kind of retroactive fix that can be applied? Or do we have 4 years to physically replace the

Re: [AFMUG] This Question Again

2020-01-02 Thread Mike Hammett
Well, they did different levels. The Louisville ones were nanotrenches at around 2" deep. Austin was maybe microtrenches at 4" and has stood the test of time better. Then again, frost and plow trucks aren't really a thing in Texas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Yes, and it happens a lot apparently. I.E. it looked weird, but it wasn't. On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 6:05 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > Was the weird clock update from GPS PRN 29 sent about 20 minutes before > midnight Moscow time just coincidence? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Mike Hammett
Was the weird clock update from GPS PRN 29 sent about 20 minutes before midnight Moscow time just coincidence? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
For us, we have only been shipping GPS+GLONASS since late in 2017 or 2018, so this is the first GLONASS rollover for us.Remember this is still speculation here, but I am starting to feel like this most likely will turn out to be the underlying cause. All of us with the issue seem to be

Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

2020-01-02 Thread Dennis Burgess via AF
Its more, the things that people break due to turning it on vs doing a better method. Just my two cents. Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link

Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

2020-01-02 Thread Dennis Burgess via AF
Most of the time you are trying to solve the issue (distributing a subnet) incorrectly by distributing the connected routes. Not stating that you can't do it, but 99% of the time there is a better way without the "gotchas" that come with that.. 1. Customer distributing connected routes.

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Ken Hohhof
I’m not sure it’s true that only Cambium products were affected. It appears to be more a certain 3rd party GPS+GLONASS receiver module that Packetflux uses in their latest production of Syncboxes and that Cambium apparently uses in their latest UGPS production. Are Packetflux sync products

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Matt Hoppes
So why didn’t this happen four years ago? And why were only Cambium type products affected? > On Jan 2, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > wrote: > > The answer to your question is complicated. The short answer is that not in > the way you stated it, as there isn't good

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
The answer to your question is complicated. The short answer is that not in the way you stated it, as there isn't good enough clock hardware in the rackinjector to do this holdover, and the current electrical architecture isn't set up to permit the generation of a clock internally. We're

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
So I've pieced together some facts which may actually lead to the actual cause 1) As Caleb pointed out 21:00 is actually 0:00 in moscow time. 2) Based on the above I went digging. The GLONASS time scale is actually based on moscow time. So the end of the year is 21:00UTC according to the

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Eric Muehleisen
A great feature would be for the RackInjector to generate it's own hold-over sync if it were to loose GPS. Any possibility of including something like that in the next firmware update? On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:45 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > One note is

Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

2020-01-02 Thread Ken Hohhof
The only reason I can think of, is that you have to be careful if you assign an IP address like 192.168.88.1 or 169.254.1.x to an interface for maybe administrative purposes, if that interface ever becomes active, and you don't have a route filter, then the router will advertise that block via

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Steve Jones
i think the syncpipes are On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 4:41 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > 450 APs do some illogical things when choosing among available sync > sources – internal, power port, timing port. Of course on 450i/450m, > internal is not an option. But sometimes we have to telnet to an AP and >

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Ken Hohhof
450 APs do some illogical things when choosing among available sync sources – internal, power port, timing port. Of course on 450i/450m, internal is not an option. But sometimes we have to telnet to an AP and disable/enable internal in order to get it to switch back to power or timing port.

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Bill Prince
Someone(or a coordinated group) probably deployed a bunch of these things.     https://gizmodo.com/jamming-gps-signals-is-illegal-dangerous-cheap-and-e-1796778955 bp On 1/2/2020 2:02 PM, Steve Jones wrote: Did the root issue ever get defined?

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Steve Jones
Did the root issue ever get defined? I still have my money on Huawei testing the Baicells botnet, building up a set of GPS transmitters out of the Recievers and impacting the Stateside GPS. they tested the timing pulse in a fashion that only impacts timing, not positioning amongst a test group

Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

2020-01-02 Thread Dennis Burgess via AF
NEVER redistribute connected... bad bad bad . The sub area you can announce out the /25 or whatever it is, but keep /32s from leaving the stub area. Your OSPF-out filters do not work inner area, i.e. between backbone and backbone routers, only intra-area, that means area 44 (stub) it will

Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

2020-01-02 Thread Jesse DuPont
Yeah, those are the only two ways to do it using only OSPF: 1. Route Filters 2. OSPF non-backbone area with PPPoE network in that area and an area-range set (to aggregate) Jesse DuPont Network Architect

[AFMUG] OT: Delphi Auto GPS Units

2020-01-02 Thread Nate Burke
Anyone else use the Delphi Modules for vehicle tracking (and local 4G Hotspot)? It was just an additional $5/month on our verizon bill. The Website we went to mycar.delphi.com just comes up with a 'Discontinued service' message. It seems the main page, http://delphiconnect.com/ is still

Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

2020-01-02 Thread Ken Hohhof
It’s not that complex, unless I’m missing something. On Cisco routers we route the x.x.x.x/24 (or whatever netblock is assigned to that PPPoE NAS) to Null0. On Mikrotik we use add a route filter to chain ospf-out with matcher parameters prefix=x.x.x.x/24 and prefix length=32, with

Re: [AFMUG] This Question Again

2020-01-02 Thread Chuck Hogg
Correct, they were pushed to go faster because as each permit was pulled, AT strung fiber on the pole and beat them to the punch. Go faster Google said...so the contractor had to go more shallow. When the roads were resurfaced, some had already been over paved to the point the curb was even to

Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

2020-01-02 Thread Adam Moffett
Good point. On 1/2/2020 1:22 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote: How are you getting around it doing a /32 for each PPPoE session right now? Even if you don't do redistribute connected, but have the whole, let's say, /24 in OSPF-Networks, there will be an entry for each /32 in all the route tables

Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

2020-01-02 Thread Jesse DuPont
How are you getting around it doing a /32 for each PPPoE session right now? Even if you don't do redistribute connected, but have the whole, let's say, /24 in OSPF-Networks, there will be an entry for each /32 in all the route tables regardless because OSPF uses the mask

Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

2020-01-02 Thread Mathew Howard
I don't really see why... you could also just filter out the /32's if you needed to redistribute connected routes for some other reason (like if you have statically assigned PPPoE IPs that aren't in the main pool), which is what I do (although I distribute the PPPoE IPs via iBGP instead of OSPF,

Re: [AFMUG] This Question Again

2020-01-02 Thread Adam Moffett
I was told the epoxy additive was about 30 bucks a gallon and that was what pushed the cost overboard and that was allegedly why you don't see much microtrenching above a certain latitude. again, hearsay. On 1/2/2020 1:08 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: If I remember to look when I get back,

[AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

2020-01-02 Thread Adam Moffett
If you redistribute connected routes on a PPPoE server you get a route for every /32 and that's undesirable. My solution currently is to NOT redistribute connected and instead just advertise the larger network which will encompass all the /32's. I read a presentation suggesting to use an

Re: [AFMUG] This Question Again

2020-01-02 Thread chuck
If I remember to look when I get back, the contactor that quoted us made a video. I think they put it up a state highway at 18”. The flow fill machine was right behind it and then some kind of rubber cap was put in right after that. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 7:42

Re: [AFMUG] This Question Again

2020-01-02 Thread Adam Moffett
I heard Google's microtrenches were only a few inches deep.  If they got it down to 10" then road resurfacing shouldn't be an issue.  The same source told me Google didn't use the proper backfill.  The story was that the flowable fill needs an epoxy additive when the microtrench is above the

Re: [AFMUG] This Question Again

2020-01-02 Thread Chuck Hogg
Don't microtrench if you can avoid it. Road resurfacing and cuts for other utilities makes this a hassle. Google abandoned their entire microtrenched plant in Louisville after the resurfacing projects, or aging infrastructure repairs caused so many outages. On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 12:16 PM

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Andreas Wiatowski
We have found that we had to reboot some 450AP after the event in addition to restrating the GPS. Internet. ​Phone. ​TV. Andreas Wiatowski CEO/Founder Silo 1-866-727-4138, ext 600 | andr...@silo.ca silo.ca From: AF on behalf of Nate Burke Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Date:

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Bill Prince
On the west coast, seems like nothing happened. bp On 1/2/2020 8:26 AM, Nate Burke wrote: I must have been one of the lucky one's, I never lost all satellites.  My EPMP 1k,2k,3k radios just reduced the number of tracked

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Nate Burke
I must have been one of the lucky one's, I never lost all satellites. My EPMP 1k,2k,3k radios just reduced the number of tracked satellites. (after completely losing all satellites for about 15 min at 21:00 on 12/31) at 21:00 1/1 they all returned to normal number of satellites tracked. I

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Caleb Knauer
It all started 12/31/19 at 21:00 UTC. You're saying yours all suddenly came back on 1/1/20 at 21:00 UTC? Nice little exact 24hr window. Oddly enough 21:00 UTC is midnight in Moscow. On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 10:18 PM Nate Burke wrote: > > No user intervention on my part. > > Visible satellites

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

2020-01-02 Thread Ken Hohhof
OK, within 24 hours I had power cycled all the affected GPS receivers, but it was not my impression the problem was resolving itself without intervention. I had 2 sites that I had failed to connect up the remote access so I had to go to the site, but the last one was just under the 24 hour