Re: [AFMUG] My solution

Just as an FYI, there are some nonexpensive fusion splicers out there. Chinese models (AI-8/AI-9) for under a grand on Amazon. Less on eBay/Aliexpress. I got one. It works. There's apparently an add-on for splice on connectors. Smaller handheld models from Jilong (a grand) and Easysplicer (bit o

Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works fine. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard wrote: > I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh. I could see people > blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to > restrict

[AFMUG] coordinated power - licensed link

So when I see the following, I use the "coordinated" power from this section to set maximum ATPC power, 26 in this case Nominal Coordinated Maximum Power (dBm) 15.026.0 29.0 Received Level (dBm) -42.4 -31.4

Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh. I could see people blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to restrict a lot of stuff. I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff for anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile.

Re: [AFMUG] My solution

Because you have a dirty mind Ken. I blame Chuck too; he just writes pornographic stuff. bp On 9/9/2020 8:06 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Why does that sound dirty?   From: AF

Re: [AFMUG] My solution

Why does that sound dirty? From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:05 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] My solution My flat slack is in the hand hole. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2020, at 8:22 PM, Chris Fabien mailto:ch..

Re: [AFMUG] My solution

My flat slack is in the hand hole. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2020, at 8:22 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: > >  > Sorry I meant slack of the outside flat drop intact, takes about a 12" square > box to be able to make it coil in there. > >> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 9:17 PM Chuck McCown wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

Thanks Bill! - Original Message - From: Bill Prince To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today? See? I thought that birdie was wrong! Happy birthday anyway Jay! bp On 9/9/2020 9:12 AM, CBB - Ja

Re: [AFMUG] My solution

Sorry I meant slack of the outside flat drop intact, takes about a 12" square box to be able to make it coil in there. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 9:17 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > This has slack storage and a splice holder. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 9, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: > >

Re: [AFMUG] Need a "Chuck" version of this

My observation is that the body of the thing is going to be too big to plug into some devices. I think at a minimum they need to elongate the male end so it'll give clearance to adjacent plugs or any protrusions on the device it's plugged into.  I'd second the motion for an external ground scr

Re: [AFMUG] My solution

This has slack storage and a splice holder. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: > >  > We had way more field failures with AFL Fastconnects than after we switched > to spliced pigtails. We use a little larger NID that allows for some slack > storage and has

Re: [AFMUG] My solution

We had way more field failures with AFL Fastconnects than after we switched to spliced pigtails. We use a little larger NID that allows for some slack storage and has a splice holder. Tii 506F. Chris On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:13 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > I think I will switch to a mechanical. To

Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy day

Ouch, the Spanglish is making my head spin. From: AF On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 7:18 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy day Enchiladas, tacos de carne asada y flautas with beans , rice and salsas.. On Wed, Sep 9, 20

Re: [AFMUG] Possible Fiber project for school

Mark, I am NOT at all an e-rate expert, we have only ever bid on one project. But, I believe there is a requirement that the school can only get funding for special construction (your option 1) if they were unable to purchase the services they need on a monthly service basis. I think you may want

Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy day

Enchiladas, tacos de carne asada y flautas with beans , rice and salsas.. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 1:48 PM Cameron Crum wrote: > Whoo Hooo! You should have some mexican food to celebrate. > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 2:46 PM wrote: > >> First revenue customer is up and running today on my new fiber c

Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

Thanks Chris, thanks Darin. From: AF On Behalf Of Chris Fabien Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 4:15 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device They use ARP spoofing and can definitely cause problems. We tested one and they were not comp

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

The 900mhz 450i works about as good as you could hope for. Regardless of product I'd plan capacity around 5mhz or 7mhz channels.  You can theoretically do a 4 sector cluster with 10mhz channels and back to back re-use if there's nobody else on the band.  Or you can do a single sector at 20mhz

Re: [AFMUG] Possible Fiber project for school

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Possible Fiber project for school Chris, #2 maybe the only way we bid.  I know they want #1, but I think we can come in with a low enough bid that #2 would be the best option.  Still do some research on the usac site to see the best way to do this.  I have had quotes of $50 -

Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

They use ARP spoofing and can definitely cause problems. We tested one and they were not compatible with the SmartRG SR400 routers we use. Their support was no help whatsoever either. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 4:59 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems

Re: [AFMUG] Possible Fiber project for school

If you have the strands available #2 is the money maker. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 3:50 PM wrote: > There is also fabric innerduct which you can use to sub-duct an occupied > duct. However, in a 1.25" duct it will be a *really* tight squeeze. > > > Jared > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 09 > > From

Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame on their Internet? And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh system? From: AF On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] C

Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy day

Well, first bill will go out Oct 1. The first payment will be something to celebrate. From: Cameron Crum Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy day Whoo Hooo! You should have some mexican food to celebrate. On Wed, Sep

Re: [AFMUG] Possible Fiber project for school

There is also fabric innerduct which you can use to sub-duct an occupied duct. However, in a 1.25" duct it will be a *really* tight squeeze. Jared > Sent: Wednesday, September 09 > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Possible Fiber project for

Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy day

Whoo Hooo! You should have some mexican food to celebrate. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 2:46 PM wrote: > First revenue customer is up and running today on my new fiber company. > Only took about 2 years longer than anticipated... > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/l

[AFMUG] OT Happy day

First revenue customer is up and running today on my new fiber company. Only took about 2 years longer than anticipated...-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Possible Fiber project for school

option one may open the door to their bandwidth. we looked at something similar, charge a discounted customer build, we own the fiber/duct, their discounted build cost offset a substantial amount of isp build cost. they get a 2 strand lease for x year 1$/year. Everybody but the boss is on board On

Re: [AFMUG] Possible Fiber project for school

You can put micro duct in regular duct, but not if it is occupied. Perhaps someone can do it. I can't. I hate any form of overblowing/double stuffing. I would not do it unless I got a piece of the recurring action. -Original Message- From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Wednesday,

[AFMUG] Possible Fiber project for school

We may have an opportunity to bid on a fiber project to a rural elementary school in our footprint. RFP has not been published yet, so we have had only high level talks about this. We can do this 3 ways. 1. A completely new build out for the school. Their own fiber, ducts, handholes,

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

i thought there was gonna be a fight. but OP should talk to redline, they talk a mean game, if half what the sales guys tell you is true and you have the dough, it will be like moses parted the red sea (or trees in this case) directly to your customers. Theres an Ericson WISP contact that floats

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

I read your first sentence and thought you were arguing that TVWS was not actually a shit-show! On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:11 AM Lewis Bergman wrote: > Josh, > I have to take issue with your assertion that TVWS has been a shit show > for at least 10 years. I think it has been a complete shit show

Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired to the router instead of wifi for best performance. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones wrote: > routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before > bark bought them > i figured it either did d

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

It really isn’t compared to a light weight Rohn. As long as guys are not needed. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:13 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space find out who installs poles for the telephone/power company and have them

[AFMUG] WiFi / Mesh WiFi for small city / municipality

Hi; Anyone did a small city WiFi / WiFi Mesh project for a small town / city.   To provide free WiFi zones for the public for the city. Any products or WiFi controllers researched or used? Lincoln -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before bark bought them i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a > parental control device. >

[AFMUG] Circle parental control device

Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a parental control device. How does this work if it's just another device on the WiFi? It seems like it would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or somehow take over DNS. Or is it doing something intru

[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** Re: [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world

Funny you should mention the positive tests issue. Buddy of mine owns a roofing company. General contractor says all subs have to have their people tested or they can’t be on site. Buddy sends three of his guys down to the testing site to get tested. They check in, give them the names, p

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

find out who installs poles for the telephone/power company and have them install a 60-70' pole (might need to guy it but they can do that too) at the customer's site. no need to pour concrete etc. and it should be a lot less expensive than having the customer build a tower. i think whisper or so

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world

My room is concrete. All 6 sides. From: can...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:53 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world I hope the rest of the room is surrounded in metal. Otherwise, you c

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world

lol, two of the nurses here that were exposed filled out their testing paperwork at the site, they got called back into work before they could get swabbed. they received their positive results a couple days later... on the tests they didnt take. the positive tests arent all that reliable either my

[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world

I hope the rest of the room is surrounded in metal. Otherwise, you could just punch through the drywall and enter. On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 11:04 AM Lewis Bergman wrote: > A friend of mine just put this in his new house. I think you need a few. > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:55 AM Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

Around here, we call that the midnight chainsaw blight. bp On 9/9/2020 9:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Chain saws.   From: David C

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

Everything is 5-6 times as big at 900 MHz, and a 10 degree sector is probably not realistic. You would probably have to use a client antenna and get maybe 35-40 degrees and the sidelobes and F/B ratio would not be great. Also remember that EIRP in this band is strictly limited, I think to 36 d

Re: [AFMUG] Need a "Chuck" version of this

TVS, so it may not work well with cambium. And you have to make sure that the jack is the shielded grounded variety or this will do nothing. Moreover, it is best to route the surge away from the equipment, not depend on the equipment to ground the surge. I have tried these little TVS chips

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

Make sure your utility or water company does not use unlicensed 900 in your area if you decide to go this route. You won't interfere with them but their high power small bandwidth bursting will destroy everything you try to do. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:20 AM David Coudron wrote: > Hi folks, > >

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

Chain saws. From: David Coudron Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:22 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space We looked at this, and it still may be something we need to consider. I am afraid that LOS sensitive frequencies still wouldn’t reach some of t

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

Towers are cheap. From: David Coudron Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:19 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space Hi folks, Thanks for the feedback, this was what we were looking for. It looks like the TVWS is a non-starter, but we should take a

[AFMUG] Need a "Chuck" version of this

Saw this recently posted on FB. I like the concept but would prefer an external ground point. I'd be curious to see Chuck test these. I don't think he could fit all of his electrical goodness into a connector this small. https://www.amazon.com/WatchfulEyE-WTH-SG-RJ45-S-Ethernet-Protector/dp/B07H5P

Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world

theyre doing the 15 minute rapid test at a few sites around here. You arent supposed to be getting charged for the tests, unless you do some sort of self insuring, in which case most people just dont give any info other than contact info so nobody gets charged with the wife guaranteed to be expose

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Cobra Kai

I saw a newspaper article about sports anime. Pushing just beyond what's humanly possible in real life, without suspending laws of physics like gravity. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:54 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

We looked at this, and it still may be something we need to consider. I am afraid that LOS sensitive frequencies still wouldn’t reach some of them that are less than 1 mile away due to trees. A good alternative might be to have them put up 60-70 ft antenna structures. That would help with

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

See? I thought that birdie was wrong! Happy birthday anyway Jay! bp On 9/9/2020 9:12 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:   Thanks for the assumptionsit's 43. I did ask my wife if i could stop having birthdays.

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

Hi folks, Thanks for the feedback, this was what we were looking for. It looks like the TVWS is a non-starter, but we should take another look at 900 MHz. We are fortunate in that the areas are typically grouped very narrowly in one direction. We figured we could cover the area with a 10

[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world

My friend said that you have the kind of turn around that is necessary for these tests to do _any_ good. So at least if there is a positive it can be acted on immediately. On 09/09/2020 08:49 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Nasal. Actually he described it as a brain swab. -Original Message--

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

Thanks for the assumptionsit's 43. I did ask my wife if i could stop having birthdays. she said that would be very badno. so, here's to more! thanks everyone. it's been a crazy rockin' and rolling time at our company lately. We've been awarded 3 state grants to help deploy fiber. Also we

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Cobra Kai

My thoughts too. I'm sure I'm not the only person that was wondering where the pads and mouth guards were. But, I'm enjoying it otherwise if only to relive the 80's. Adam Moffett wrote: I was wondering where they put teenagers into full contact karate tournaments. Surely not in the USA, land

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world

Nasal. Actually he described it as a brain swab. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:33 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world Which test did he take? Nasal swap, throat swap, blood?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Caldo de res , arroz y chile verde

Is there any roasting or boiling of the tomatillos? Jaime Solorza wrote: Tomatillo On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 9:31 AM Jay Weekley > wrote: Green tomatoes or tomatillos? Jaime Solorza wrote: > Here you go Jaycut the head off 6-9 fresh jalapenos, hot

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

Oops, 26 MHz, not 28. 902-928. From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:50 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space I keep hearing about Microsoft and its Airband initiative. I have no idea why Microsoft thinks that TVWS

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Caldo de res , arroz y chile verde

Tomatillo On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 9:31 AM Jay Weekley wrote: > Green tomatoes or tomatillos? > > Jaime Solorza wrote: > > Here you go Jaycut the head off 6-9 fresh jalapenos, hot leave > > everything inside, mild - clean out inside.. > > Place the jalapenos in blender with some water, and small

[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world

Which test did he take? Nasal swap, throat swap, blood? On 09/09/2020 08:00 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: We had one employee, all the symptoms. Got a test, got results back in about 4 hours $100 Not positive. I was astounded they turned it around that fast. *From:* Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Wednes

[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world

I was educated on the reliability of negative results. Good friend, well connected, friends with the Dr. in charge of Nevada testing. While a positive result is very reliable, the negatives are very much not so. AT THE BEST, when an infected is in optimal test time, 5-8 days into the infec

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Caldo de res , arroz y chile verde

Green tomatoes or tomatillos? Jaime Solorza wrote: Here you go Jaycut the head off 6-9 fresh jalapenos, hot leave everything inside, mild - clean out inside.. Place the jalapenos in blender with some water, and small piece of garlic, salt and two small green tomatoes without a stem. Blend..

Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world

We had one employee, all the symptoms. Got a test, got results back in about 4 hours $100 Not positive. I was astounded they turned it around that fast. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 8:58 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: COVID

Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world

Yeah, it’s like the colleges that invite all the kids on campus then after a week send them back home all over the country when (surprise, surprise) they get a bunch of positive tests. Fauci is trying to tell them at that point they’re doing the worst thing, once they’re on campus, keep them th

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

I keep hearing about Microsoft and its Airband initiative. I have no idea why Microsoft thinks that TVWS has merit or what technology they bring to the party, but I guess you could investigate it. I have to agree with the others, it was never very attractive, and gets less so as time passes an

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

If they are in a cluster, this could possibly be a viable option. bp On 9/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Get them to contribute to the cost of a tower in their area. 

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

Get them to contribute to the cost of a tower in their area. From: David Coudron Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 7:52 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] TV White Space We have a couple of areas in our network that remain problem coverage areas. The typical scenario

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

TVWS is in an untenable situation. One the one hand, what's left of the spectrum keeps getting chipped away by cellular companies buying up bits and pieces of it, second hand the rules almost certify that you won't have adjacent channels, third hand the equipment

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

Josh, I have to take issue with your assertion that TVWS has been a shit show for at least 10 years. I think it has been a complete shit show ever since they came up with the idea, maybe 20 to 25 years ago. Technically you are correct it is at least 10 years. But it has never risen to the level of

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

Hey I resemble that remark LOL! On 9/8/20 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 50?! Holy cow, that's old! ;-) Yes, I know many, many of you are much older. I jab equally.  :-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

In my opinion, TVWS has been a complete shit-show for the past 10 years, and I would be hesitant to throw any money at it. Someone feel free to change my mind. :) On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 9:53 AM David Coudron wrote: > We have a couple of areas in our network that remain problem coverage > areas

[AFMUG] TV White Space

We have a couple of areas in our network that remain problem coverage areas. The typical scenario is a handful of customers that are 5-10 miles from a decent tower structure, but really want service. We have usually either passed on providing coverage, or messed around with relaying from oth

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

Your odometer just rolled over 100 Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2020, at 7:19 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Well.. we still love you. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2020, at 6:25 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: >> >> I had my Beatles Song Birthday last week. >> >> ☹ >> >> A

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Cobra Kai

I was wondering where they put teenagers into full contact karate tournaments.  Surely not in the USA, land of the lawsuit. On 9/8/2020 6:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: The karate is pretty bad and it seems like students are going from white belts to black and back again. Steve Jones wrote: I watc

Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

No, I thankfully am around the end of a mountain that blocked the worse of it. My crew building google fiber got shut down but it gave me a good excuse to do some work on my own network. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2020, at 8:39 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > >  > Chuck did you have any damage f

Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Thanks Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > >  > https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/request/documentation/ > >> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:03 AM wrote: >> I haven’t found the template yet. >> >> From: Steve Jones >> Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 12:07