Re: [AFMUG] example land lease for tower construction

2021-09-20 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
I used to get tower space for $2 per sub. That worked out pretty well. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2021, at 3:15 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >  > Our leases were for a rectangle with specific size and location. I never > thought of leasing an unspecified amount of space, but yeah if that

[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** interesting...we installed several laser links in the 1990s...

2021-09-20 Thread Robert
Obviously a nigerian prince on one side trying to get the $$ back to the rightful owners.. On 9/20/21 1:16 PM, Nate Burke wrote: So 700TB over 20 Days, that's about 4gb/s average.  I wonder what these are feeding on each end, that that amount of traffic suddenly turned on, or if it's literally

Re: [AFMUG] example land lease for tower construction

2021-09-20 Thread Adam Moffett
Our leases were for a rectangle with specific size and location. I never thought of leasing an unspecified amount of space, but yeah if that was done then a person might be tempted to treat the leased area as being unlimited. On 9/20/2021 4:42 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I have asked for m

Re: [AFMUG] example land lease for tower construction

2021-09-20 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
I have asked for more rent when I discovered they were occupying about 5X the foot print of the original installation. I discovered a small building, backup generator, many more solar panels, large propane tank, fenced a large area etc. Nothing in the original lease spelled out the original fo

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** interesting...we installed several laser links in the 1990s...

2021-09-20 Thread Mathew Howard
The article mentioned that the town on the other side of the river was using a 400km fiber line that goes around the river (I would imagine it goes to a lot of other places too...), so yeah, I'd say it's connecting two existing ISPs On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 3:17 PM Nate Burke wrote: > So 700TB ov

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** interesting...we installed several laser links in the 1990s...

2021-09-20 Thread Nate Burke
So 700TB over 20 Days, that's about 4gb/s average. I wonder what these are feeding on each end, that that amount of traffic suddenly turned on, or if it's literally extending an ISP on each end. Or is this just test traffic. On 9/20/2021 3:03 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Yeah... other than poten

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** interesting...we installed several laser links in the 1990s...

2021-09-20 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah... other than potentially being capable of more bandwidth, and maybe getting around some regulations, I can't imagine what advantage there would be. On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 2:41 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > There's a whiz-bang-wow factor for free space optics. I'm not sure if > there's any rea

Re: [AFMUG] example land lease for tower construction

2021-09-20 Thread Adam Moffett
Oh.spell out who's responsible for maintaining the access road, including snow plowing.  If the landlord is responsible then include a remedy (a free month etc) if they fail to plow it within a reasonable time frame.  Maybe you have a snowcat and nobody is required to plow, if so then spell

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** interesting...we installed several laser links in the 1990s...

2021-09-20 Thread Adam Moffett
There's a whiz-bang-wow factor for free space optics.  I'm not sure if there's any real technical advantage over millimeter wave though.  None that I'm currently aware of. -Adam On 9/20/2021 12:12 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Seems to me like you're almost always going to be a lot better off jus

Re: [AFMUG] example land lease for tower construction

2021-09-20 Thread Adam Moffett
I don't have an example land lease agreement.  But these are some things that have come up. 24/7 access without notice     (some landowners want a phone call when you go up, sounds reasonable at first, but it becomes a nuisance) Define the path/ROW for vehicle access and put it in writing in

Re: [AFMUG] EPCOM

2021-09-20 Thread Jaime Solorza
I forwarded your question to Bryan and Efrain... Hope they can help... On Mon, Sep 20, 2021, 1:00 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > I forget their terminology, but EPCOM has some inventory I'm looking for > in foreign warehouses. Would they ship back to the US or am I SOL? > > > > - > Mike Hammett >

Re: [AFMUG] EPCOM

2021-09-20 Thread TJ Trout
Yep, everything is available for the right price, but it will be 30%+ On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 12:00 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > I forget their terminology, but EPCOM has some inventory I'm looking for > in foreign warehouses. Would they ship back to the US or am I SOL? > > > > - > Mike Hammett

[AFMUG] EPCOM

2021-09-20 Thread Mike Hammett
I forget their terminology, but EPCOM has some inventory I'm looking for in foreign warehouses. Would they ship back to the US or am I SOL? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.a

[AFMUG] Pasadena Networks\WLAN Parts

2021-09-20 Thread Mike Hammett
Have any of you bought from Pasadena Networks\WLANParts lately? I went to buy something and the site seemed kinda sketchy. I checked LinkedIn and Frank Keeney seems to have not been involved since 2015. Sorry, it seems that there are no available payment methods for your state. Please con

[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** interesting...we installed several laser links in the 1990s...

2021-09-20 Thread Robert
There has been a lot of progress in adaptive optics in the last 20 years.   Seems like that sounds like what people said about 80Ghz 20 years ago... On 9/20/21 9:12 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Seems to me like you're almost always going to be a lot better off just using 80ghz (or even 60ghz, depe

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** interesting...we installed several laser links in the 1990s...

2021-09-20 Thread Mathew Howard
Seems to me like you're almost always going to be a lot better off just using 80ghz (or even 60ghz, depending on requirements)... I guess if you need more than 10Gbps it might make sense, but otherwise, it seems like playing with this stuff is just going to cause a lot of unnecessary headaches. On

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** interesting...we installed several laser links in the 1990s...

2021-09-20 Thread Steve Jones
I hope its come along way. we did some and it was awful. auto alignment had to be turned of because it would sometimes just start adjusting and go out of alignment like it was having a seizure. lens fogging was awful. We had one where it would take a courthouse down roughly the same time every day,

[AFMUG] example land lease for tower construction

2021-09-20 Thread Steve Jones
A buddy is looking for an example agreement that covers all the things you wish you thought of the first lease. this is for leasing ground to construct a tower on -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** interesting...we installed several laser links in the 1990s...

2021-09-20 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yep...they tried one from a bank building in El Paso to Juarez back in the late 1990s...22 story building moved too much...we ended up installing a 23Ghz link but from another location. On Mon, Sep 20, 2021, 6:24 AM Brian Webster wrote: > I would think now it would be easier to mount the laser i

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** interesting...we installed several laser links in the 1990s...

2021-09-20 Thread Brian Webster
I would think now it would be easier to mount the laser in a gyro stabilized gimbal to account for the movement. In the 90’s that technology was not affordable. Image stabilizing cameras exist, gyro stabilized RC helicopters and drones are commonplace. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wireles