Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
CAT6 protection is almost always going to be a gas discharge tube protector on each pair. They sell the "tubes" such that each will protect one pair. So 4 components plus a circuit board with a ton of engineering to be able to hopefully not break CAT6 specs when doing it. On Fri, Aug 18,

Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Yep, usually crosstalk. The problem is that they've started to spec inter-pair crosstalk. That's why cat6 has the interior plastic spacer. Which gets cut out, the 3&6 pair gets split and the twists in the twisted pair are eliminated through the connector. No modern high speed design engineer

Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-18 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Yes, the splitting of 3&6 causes acres of trouble. But what does a good PCB do if the jack causes the test to fail. I don’t recall which test it is, but most jacks fail it. Might be a crosstalk. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 11:43 PM To: AnimalFarm

Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-18 Thread dmmoffett
That makes me wonder if the other guys’ “10gig” surge suppressor is going to break what I plug into it. I’ll tell you, compared to any other ethernet surge suppressor the 10gig model they sell has almost nothing in it. If it works, it’s got to be the most minimal protection imaginable.

Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Ahh, I quickly glanced online and somehow misread the gige as cat6. Which is why I was confused. I've been neck deep in the 10 gig E spec for midspan injection off and on for the last couple of months. Not a fun read or design. Considering going to 6 or 8 layers so I can meet some of the

Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-17 Thread TJ Trout
Why not test for 2.5, 5 and 10g ethernet? Good marketing material if they work? On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 8:20 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > I have not. It is nearly impossible for a surge suppressor to pass full > CAT6 standards. The jacks are not even able to pass with no components. > >

Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-17 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
I have not. It is nearly impossible for a surge suppressor to pass full CAT6 standards. The jacks are not even able to pass with no components. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 8:27 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: RE:

Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-17 Thread dmmoffett
Have you played with multi-gig ethernet? A certain “brand T” has a model of 10gig surge suppressor and it has very few components compared to their prior models. I was wondering if 10G is too sensitive to put more components in the line. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF

Re: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-17 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
All CAT6 in our product line are 100% GDT. Anything that says GIGE has solid state and GDT. I would recommend CAT6 for everything. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 6:22 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and

[AFMUG] Question for Chuck, and anyone wise who wants to add their 0.02...

2023-08-17 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Which of the MTC CAT6 surge suppressors that fit in the APC racks are recommended for general use? I see a Gas discharge and semiconductor diode version on the website. Guessing the GDT version is more robust and less likely to cause errors at the expense of reaction time. -- AF mailing list