Re: [AFMUG] Running MPLS

[Adair Winter]

We run 6k+ subs on mikrotik mpls/vpls. What do you want to know?

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 1:22 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

> Anybody care to comment on how successful they have been at running MPLS
> on their Mikrotik network?  Any pitfalls?  Its my first real look at the
> feature set and it looks promising.
>
>
>
> Paul
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[AFMUG] Running MPLS

[Paul McCall]

Anybody care to comment on how successful they have been at running MPLS on 
their Mikrotik network?  Any pitfalls?  Its my first real look at the feature 
set and it looks promising.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
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Re: [AFMUG] Running MPLS

[Gino A. Villarini]

Went from Mikrotik to Telco Systems to Juniper now on our MPLS… very happy now.


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Subject: [AFMUG] Running MPLS

Anybody care to comment on how successful they have been at running MPLS on 
their Mikrotik network?  Any pitfalls?  Its my first real look at the feature 
set and it looks promising.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] Hey Forrest

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Nope, never got around to it.

I've recently become aware of several products which do something similar
to what I had in mind.  What were you looking for?



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> Did you ever build that battery tester characterizer thingy?
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Re: [AFMUG] Running MPLS

[Mark Radabaugh]

Ciena -> Juniper for MPLS.   Also very happy with the Juniper.

Mark

> On Sep 17, 2019, at 5:42 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
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> Went from Mikrotik to Telco Systems to Juniper now on our MPLS… very happy 
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> set and it looks promising.
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Re: [AFMUG] SAS/CBRS Questions

[Steve Jones]

We got a customer who ATT did a cobbled fixed wireless that didnt pan out.
they said when the tech was there, they had to install them to a far site
instead of one that was very close with a good signal. I couldnt figure out
why, but I looked at the guy after The CBRS stuff was clarified and he is
ina  different county than the better site, I wonder if their licensing is
similar and thats what the issue was

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:49 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> We have 2 tower sites (each with 4 sectors of Cambium 3.65) on County Line
> Rd.  I worry about the issue of serving customers across county lines.
> Oh,  and PALs are out of the question, one of the counties has much higher
> population and we are only on the far (rural) edge of it.  But even using
> GAA, not sure if there is a solution for crossing county lines.  What
> really sucks is that the tower with the most subs actually sits a few feet
> into the more populous county.  Even if we moved the subscribers in that
> county to another band, would we not be allowed to serve our subscribers on
> the other side of the road?
>
>
>
> Maybe this is not really a problem if counties are mainly an issue for PAL
> licenses.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:31 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] SAS/CBRS Questions
>
>
>
> I dont know if anybody here is involved in the trial, or knows anyone who
> is, or if anybody who is is allowed to answer any of these questions. I get
> alot of answers from people not in the trials, its all guesswork though, Id
> like to her something definitive. The answers are driving a 100k difference
> in product decisions.  If any of you degenerates are involved or can
> forward to people who are involved, Id give my first born for clear answers
>
>
>
>1. Are you overlapped with other CBRS/SAS trial operators?
>
>
>1. Is the overlap same county/neighboring county?
>   2. What are the SAS controls looking like. EIRP alterations,
>   channel changes, channel size decreases, etc?
>   3. How often are SAS commands being issued? (constantly, hourly,
>   daily, weekly, rarely, etc?)
>   4. Is there any site/POP colocation with other CBRS/SAS trial
>   operators?
>   5. Are you able to effectively operate ABAB/ABCD within the band
>   effectively while overlapping, and in what channel size?
>   6. Have you come across a scenario where your operations were
>   ceased by SAS?
>
>i.  Example
> being, all CBRS channels in use and a temporary outage occurs, during which
> time another operator is granted access to the silent channel.
>
>1. Does SAS impact your operation among your own cells.
>
>
>1. Are you able to allow overlap in your own cells that would not be
>   an option with another operator present on the license region?
>
>
>1. Is the predeployment modelling available from any of the SAS
>vendors for site planning?
>2. Are there real time tools for monitoring your regional CBRS
>environment?
>3. How have you dealt with non CBRS/SAS trial operators still
>operating under the N license?
>4. Has the mechanism for recourse been defined should SAS not resolve
>conflicting CBRS operations amongst operators.
>
>
>1. Is there a tool for obtaining a contact when there is a discrepancy
>   to self resolve amongst operators?
>
>
>1. When operating near a county line, assuming it is PAL operation,
>are you able to place a subscriber onto that base station that resides in
>the neighboring county?
>
>
>1. If operating in GAA in this environment, does the neighboring
>   county GAA supersede the ability to install a subscriber to the 
> neighboring
>   county base station? If so, how does SAS calculate the Instruction set 
> to
>   the base station?
>
>
>
> I don’t know if anyone is able to provide any of these answers due to NDA
> or not
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Re: [AFMUG] SAS/CBRS Questions

[Adam Moffett]

Could be something like that.  or not.

Telrad engineers advised us during our LTE rollout that we should 
arrange that perfect ABCD channel plan and that subscribers should only 
be installed to the sector they're intentionally in, even if another 
sector was stronger due to terrain/tree/distance.  I told them we're not 
doing that because we would have literally half as many customers if we 
restricted ourselves like that, but maybe AT is willing to make that 
kind of sacrifice.



On 9/17/2019 12:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
We got a customer who ATT did a cobbled fixed wireless that didnt pan 
out. they said when the tech was there, they had to install them to a 
far site instead of one that was very close with a good signal. I 
couldnt figure out why, but I looked at the guy after The CBRS stuff 
was clarified and he is ina  different county than the better site, I 
wonder if their licensing is similar and thats what the issue was


On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:49 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


We have 2 tower sites (each with 4 sectors of Cambium 3.65) on
County Line Rd.  I worry about the issue of serving customers
across county lines.  Oh,  and PALs are out of the question, one
of the counties has much higher population and we are only on the
far (rural) edge of it.  But even using GAA, not sure if there is
a solution for crossing county lines. What really sucks is that
the tower with the most subs actually sits a few feet into the
more populous county. Even if we moved the subscribers in that
county to another band, would we not be allowed to serve our
subscribers on the other side of the road?

Maybe this is not really a problem if counties are mainly an issue
for PAL licenses.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:31 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] SAS/CBRS Questions

I dont know if anybody here is involved in the trial, or knows
anyone who is, or if anybody who is is allowed to answer any of
these questions. I get alot of answers from people not in the
trials, its all guesswork though, Id like to her something
definitive. The answers are driving a 100k difference in product
decisions.  If any of you degenerates are involved or can forward
to people who are involved, Id give my first born for clear answers

 1. Are you overlapped with other CBRS/SAS trial operators?

 1. Is the overlap same county/neighboring county?
 2. What are the SAS controls looking like. EIRP alterations,
channel changes, channel size decreases, etc?
 3. How often are SAS commands being issued? (constantly,
hourly, daily, weekly, rarely, etc?)
 4. Is there any site/POP colocation with other CBRS/SAS trial
operators?
 5. Are you able to effectively operate ABAB/ABCD within the
band effectively while overlapping, and in what channel size?
 6. Have you come across a scenario where your operations were
ceased by SAS?

i.Example being, all CBRS channels in use and a temporary outage
occurs, during which time another operator is granted access to
the silent channel.

 2. Does SAS impact your operation among your own cells.

 1. Are you able to allow overlap in your own cells that would
not be an option with another operator present on the
license region?

 3. Is the predeployment modelling available from any of the SAS
vendors for site planning?
 4. Are there real time tools for monitoring your regional CBRS
environment?
 5. How have you dealt with non CBRS/SAS trial operators still
operating under the N license?
 6. Has the mechanism for recourse been defined should SAS not
resolve conflicting CBRS operations amongst operators.

 1. Is there a tool for obtaining a contact when there is a
discrepancy to self resolve amongst operators?

 7. When operating near a county line, assuming it is PAL
operation, are you able to place a subscriber onto that base
station that resides in the neighboring county?

 1. If operating in GAA in this environment, does the
neighboring county GAA supersede the ability to install a
subscriber to the neighboring county base station? If so,
how does SAS calculate the Instruction set to the base
station?

I don’t know if anyone is able to provide any of these answers due
to NDA or not

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Re: [AFMUG] DC breaker panel or fuse for two feeds.

[Carl Peterson]

Chuck
I use 1U GMT fused distribution panels already.  Looking for a simple
busbar that I can plug a couple breakers into.

Ken, That is nice but way overkill.

I'll likely just daisy chain the input lug of a few breakers but it seems
like there should be a simple chassis you could plug the bullet style
breakers into.

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 1:24 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I have a site with a Newmar DST-20, they also make a DST-10, I bought it
> several years ago from Tessco.  I actually use it for a battery string
> consisting of a whole bunch of front terminal telecom batteries, but it’s
> really intended as a DC distribution panel.
>
>
>
> It’s quite nice, that said, it’s probably overkill for your application.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2019 11:59 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC breaker panel or fuse for two feeds.
>
>
>
> I know I should have a breaker, but I only have one output breaker and am
> looking for a way to add one.  i.e a1U chassis I could run a feed to and
> plug in a few breakers. (like a fused dist panel but with say four breaker
> positions)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:44 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> My eltek has 4 breaker positions.  Yes I would certainly want a breaker on
> that second line.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 17, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
> >
> > I normally run #6 from an indoor rectifier/battery setup.  The Eltek has
> one output lug on a breaker with a common return plate.  We have a building
> that has two towers and we have an outdoor enclosure on each tower so I
> need to run a second remote distribution panel.  I could just bolt a second
> lug on top of the first lug, but it seems to be these should each be on
> their own breaker.  is three any sort of rack mount breaker, inline fuse
> holder with lugs, etc that I could add to each feed?
> > 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Eric Muehleisen]

dwservice.net has been my goto for the past few months. It's free and 100%
web based. Works great for linux, windows and mac. Not the best for mobile
however.

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 9:22 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Speaking of teamviewer and hijacking a thread, I use it about once every
> three months for something, but apparently that is enough for them to
> consider me a commercial user. So I get booted about 15 seconds into every
> session and then have to wait 5 minutes to reconnect. They want me to pay
> monthly for it, but since I rarely use it, I don't see the value in it.
> I've gone to Remote PC for now. Anyone else running into this?
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 6:13 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> if you had to use an ipad for more than 30 minutes while travelling, youd
>> end up in custody. surface is the best choice, second best assuming you
>> have reliable data is any device that will support teamviewer and a
>> bluetooth mouse/rollout keyboard. then just teamviewer back to a real
>> desktop, tv does the best native desktop with all peripheral support, but
>> it starts at 700 a year once you get flagged for business use.
>>
>> for a while they were showing keyboards the projected off your device
>> onto the table, was that something that actually turned out?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:40 AM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you can carry that touch screen around and use it, sure.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 8:41 AM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 So are desktop computers with touch screens suddenly tablets because
 you can unplug the keyboard?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 5:08 PM Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> Well, I would say the Surface really is a tablet, since the keyboard
> is detachable. That makes it more of a tablet that can transform into an
> ultraportable laptop that can transform into a desktop...
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> It sounds like you are settling on a very good choice.  But it’s not
>> really an iPad or any kind or pad or tab, it’s more of an ultraportable
>> laptop with a touchscreen display that can transform into a desktop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Which is fine.  I used to say an iPad isn’t a small computer, it’s a
>> big phone.  I don’t think that has really changed.  What has changed is 
>> the
>> average person is no longer interested in having a computer, they want a
>> smartphone, and/or a handheld Netflix viewing device.  But for actual
>> computer work, phones and tablets are pretty lame.  Not sure where a
>> Chromebook fits.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 11:55 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>>
>>
>>
>> See, all of the hard questions that come up in life can always be
>> answered right here.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jason Wilson
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 10:44 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-dock/8qrh2npz0s0p
>>
>>
>> All the ports you need
>>
>> With two high-definition video ports, a gigabit Ethernet port, four
>> USB 3.0 ports, and an audio output, you have all the connections you 
>> need.
>> Transform your Surface into a desktop PC by plugging in your Dock with 
>> the
>> Surface Connect cable.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:21 AM  wrote:
>>
>> Dock to a nice large monitor, a normal sized keyboard and mouse.
>>
>> Be nice to drop it into a slot when I am at the office.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 8:54 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>>
>>
>>
>> Dock to what?  It's got a keyboard and stand built in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 10:34 AM  wrote:
>>
>> Be nice if they had a docking adapter.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Dennis Burgess via AF
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, 

Re: [AFMUG] DC breaker panel or fuse for two feeds.

[Carl Peterson]

I know I should have a breaker, but I only have one output breaker and am
looking for a way to add one.  i.e a1U chassis I could run a feed to and
plug in a few breakers. (like a fused dist panel but with say four breaker
positions)

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:44 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> My eltek has 4 breaker positions.  Yes I would certainly want a breaker on
> that second line.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 17, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
> >
> > I normally run #6 from an indoor rectifier/battery setup.  The Eltek has
> one output lug on a breaker with a common return plate.  We have a building
> that has two towers and we have an outdoor enclosure on each tower so I
> need to run a second remote distribution panel.  I could just bolt a second
> lug on top of the first lug, but it seems to be these should each be on
> their own breaker.  is three any sort of rack mount breaker, inline fuse
> holder with lugs, etc that I could add to each feed?
> > 
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] SAS/CBRS Questions

[Steve Jones]

I guess 6 is moot. I thought GAA operated under SAS as well. Is that
verified?

I guess the better question, having that knowledge, is what recourse is
there in GAA? under the N license when we did the webinar with FCC, FCCs
response was to contact rick harnish if there was a conflict that couldnt
be resolved. in other words, thanks for your 200 bucks. If this is the
case, the LTE is pretty much a terrible idea long term anywhere there is
more than one provider since it doesnt handle noise well.

Do you know if there is a map of where the test deployments are in general?
Im assuming NDA type stuff says no.

One thing that came up today was the potential of cellco usage in 48, is
there going to be prohibited use of consumer grade systems in this band
like the Wilson amplifiers?



On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 2:55 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Answers (at least the ones I have) are inline.
>
> On Sep 17, 2019, at 11:30 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> I dont know if anybody here is involved in the trial, or knows anyone who
> is, or if anybody who is is allowed to answer any of these questions. I get
> alot of answers from people not in the trials, its all guesswork though, Id
> like to her something definitive. The answers are driving a 100k difference
> in product decisions.  If any of you degenerates are involved or can
> forward to people who are involved, Id give my first born for clear answers
>
>
>1. Are you overlapped with other CBRS/SAS trial operators?
>
>
> No
>
>
>1. Is the overlap same county/neighboring county?
>
>
> Not in a test environment
>
>
>1. What are the SAS controls looking like. EIRP alterations, channel
>   changes, channel size decreases, etc?
>
>
> The experimental versions of all the SAS’s as far as I am aware were not
> actually doing anything other than checking for incumbents.   I don’t think
> any of them were doing actual RF propagation modeling.
>
>
>1. How often are SAS commands being issued? (constantly, hourly,
>   daily, weekly, rarely, etc?)
>
>
> The database between the SAS’es only updates once per day.   You likely
> won’t see updates other than overnight (at least initially).
>
>
>1. Is there any site/POP colocation with other CBRS/SAS trial
>   operators?
>
>
> Not for us
>
>
>1. Are you able to effectively operate ABAB/ABCD within the band
>   effectively while overlapping, and in what channel size?
>
>
> We currently do in Part 90z.   There is no reason you can’t in CBRS.
>
>
>
>1. Have you come across a scenario where your operations were ceased
>   by SAS?
>
>
> Not so far.
>
>
>
>i.  Example
> being, all CBRS channels in use and a temporary outage occurs, during which
> time another operator is granted access to the silent channel.
>
>
>
>1. Does SAS impact your operation among your own cells.
>
>
> It’s not supposed to - this is something Winnforum and the SAS’s are
> working on.
>
>
>1. Are you able to allow overlap in your own cells that would not be
>   an option with another operator present on the license region?
>
>
> should be
>
>
>1. Is the predeployment modelling available from any of the SAS
>vendors for site planning?
>
>
> There are hooks in the SAS where you can request frequencies, but you
> can’t necessarily query what is in use.   It’s a stupid security thing the
> telcos insisted on.   So you can ask “can I have 3550 in 10Mhz” and it will
> tell you it’s not in use.   And then you can ask about 3560 and it will
> tell you.   But it won’t answer “What is available”.
>
>
>1. Are there real time tools for monitoring your regional CBRS
>environment?
>2. How have you dealt with non CBRS/SAS trial operators still
>operating under the N license?
>
>
> Just our own stuff
>
>
>1. Has the mechanism for recourse been defined should SAS not resolve
>conflicting CBRS operations amongst operators.
>
>
> That question needs clarification.   SAS is not supposed to deconflict
> GAA, it’s the wild west.
>
>
>1. Is there a tool for obtaining a contact when there is a discrepancy
>   to self resolve amongst operators?
>
>
> yes
>
>
>1. When operating near a county line, assuming it is PAL operation,
>are you able to place a subscriber onto that base station that resides in
>the neighboring county?
>
>
> Nothing prevents it as long as that subscriber doesn’t create excessive
> interference for the PAL operator.
>
>
>1. If operating in GAA in this environment, does the neighboring
>   county GAA supersede the ability to install a subscriber to the 
> neighboring
>   county base station? If so, how does SAS calculate the Instruction set 
> to
>   the base station?
>
>
> The SAS protects PAL’s, not GAA.
>
>
>
>
> I don’t know if anyone is able to provide any of these answers due to NDA
> or not
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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Darin Steffl]

If TeamViewer would charge a more reasonable rate, we would probably pay
for it but it's way too high for how little we use it. I use it maybe 5
times a month.

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 10:38 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I think theyre getting pretty strict, I dont blame them, its a rock solid
> product, cost aside, the best on the market. Guys like me have been abusing
> their good nature for years.
>
> Which of these alternates gives a good native feel and supports multiple
> monitors?
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:27 AM Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
>
>> dwservice.net has been my goto for the past few months. It's free and
>> 100% web based. Works great for linux, windows and mac. Not the best for
>> mobile however.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 9:22 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of teamviewer and hijacking a thread, I use it about once every
>>> three months for something, but apparently that is enough for them to
>>> consider me a commercial user. So I get booted about 15 seconds into every
>>> session and then have to wait 5 minutes to reconnect. They want me to pay
>>> monthly for it, but since I rarely use it, I don't see the value in it.
>>> I've gone to Remote PC for now. Anyone else running into this?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 6:13 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 if you had to use an ipad for more than 30 minutes while travelling,
 youd end up in custody. surface is the best choice, second best assuming
 you have reliable data is any device that will support teamviewer and a
 bluetooth mouse/rollout keyboard. then just teamviewer back to a real
 desktop, tv does the best native desktop with all peripheral support, but
 it starts at 700 a year once you get flagged for business use.

 for a while they were showing keyboards the projected off your device
 onto the table, was that something that actually turned out?

 On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:40 AM Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> If you can carry that touch screen around and use it, sure.
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 8:41 AM Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> So are desktop computers with touch screens suddenly tablets because
>> you can unplug the keyboard?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 5:08 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I would say the Surface really is a tablet, since the keyboard
>>> is detachable. That makes it more of a tablet that can transform into an
>>> ultraportable laptop that can transform into a desktop...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 It sounds like you are settling on a very good choice.  But it’s
 not really an iPad or any kind or pad or tab, it’s more of an 
 ultraportable
 laptop with a touchscreen display that can transform into a desktop.



 Which is fine.  I used to say an iPad isn’t a small computer, it’s
 a big phone.  I don’t think that has really changed.  What has changed 
 is
 the average person is no longer interested in having a computer, they 
 want
 a smartphone, and/or a handheld Netflix viewing device.  But for actual
 computer work, phones and tablets are pretty lame.  Not sure where a
 Chromebook fits.





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 11:55 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question



 See, all of the hard questions that come up in life can always be
 answered right here.

 Thanks.



 *From:* Jason Wilson

 *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 10:44 AM

 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question



 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-dock/8qrh2npz0s0p


 All the ports you need

 With two high-definition video ports, a gigabit Ethernet port, four
 USB 3.0 ports, and an audio output, you have all the connections you 
 need.
 Transform your Surface into a desktop PC by plugging in your Dock with 
 the
 Surface Connect cable.



 On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:21 AM  wrote:

 Dock to a nice large monitor, a normal sized keyboard and mouse.

 Be nice to drop it into a slot when I am at the office.



 *From:* Josh Luthman

 *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 8:54 AM

 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave 

Re: [AFMUG] DC breaker panel or fuse for two feeds.

[Chuck McCown]

My eltek has 4 breaker positions.  Yes I would certainly want a breaker on that 
second line.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Carl Peterson  wrote:
> 
> I normally run #6 from an indoor rectifier/battery setup.  The Eltek has one 
> output lug on a breaker with a common return plate.  We have a building that 
> has two towers and we have an outdoor enclosure on each tower so I need to 
> run a second remote distribution panel.  I could just bolt a second lug on 
> top of the first lug, but it seems to be these should each be on their own 
> breaker.  is three any sort of rack mount breaker, inline fuse holder with 
> lugs, etc that I could add to each feed?  
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] SAS/CBRS Questions

[Mark Radabaugh]

Answers (at least the ones I have) are inline.

> On Sep 17, 2019, at 11:30 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> I dont know if anybody here is involved in the trial, or knows anyone who is, 
> or if anybody who is is allowed to answer any of these questions. I get alot 
> of answers from people not in the trials, its all guesswork though, Id like 
> to her something definitive. The answers are driving a 100k difference in 
> product decisions.  If any of you degenerates are involved or can forward to 
> people who are involved, Id give my first born for clear answers
> 
> Are you overlapped with other CBRS/SAS trial operators?

No

> Is the overlap same county/neighboring county?

Not in a test environment

> What are the SAS controls looking like. EIRP alterations, channel changes, 
> channel size decreases, etc?

The experimental versions of all the SAS’s as far as I am aware were not 
actually doing anything other than checking for incumbents.   I don’t think any 
of them were doing actual RF propagation modeling.

> How often are SAS commands being issued? (constantly, hourly, daily, weekly, 
> rarely, etc?)

The database between the SAS’es only updates once per day.   You likely won’t 
see updates other than overnight (at least initially).

> Is there any site/POP colocation with other CBRS/SAS trial operators?

Not for us

> Are you able to effectively operate ABAB/ABCD within the band effectively 
> while overlapping, and in what channel size?

We currently do in Part 90z.   There is no reason you can’t in CBRS.


> Have you come across a scenario where your operations were ceased by SAS?

Not so far.

>i.  
> Example being, all CBRS channels in use and a temporary outage occurs, during 
> which time another operator is granted access to the silent channel.

> Does SAS impact your operation among your own cells.

It’s not supposed to - this is something Winnforum and the SAS’s are working on.

> Are you able to allow overlap in your own cells that would not be an option 
> with another operator present on the license region?

should be

> Is the predeployment modelling available from any of the SAS vendors for site 
> planning?

There are hooks in the SAS where you can request frequencies, but you can’t 
necessarily query what is in use.   It’s a stupid security thing the telcos 
insisted on.   So you can ask “can I have 3550 in 10Mhz” and it will tell you 
it’s not in use.   And then you can ask about 3560 and it will tell you.   But 
it won’t answer “What is available”.   

> Are there real time tools for monitoring your regional CBRS environment?
> How have you dealt with non CBRS/SAS trial operators still operating under 
> the N license?

Just our own stuff

> Has the mechanism for recourse been defined should SAS not resolve 
> conflicting CBRS operations amongst operators.

That question needs clarification.   SAS is not supposed to deconflict GAA, 
it’s the wild west.   

> Is there a tool for obtaining a contact when there is a discrepancy to self 
> resolve amongst operators?

yes

> When operating near a county line, assuming it is PAL operation, are you able 
> to place a subscriber onto that base station that resides in the neighboring 
> county?

Nothing prevents it as long as that subscriber doesn’t create excessive 
interference for the PAL operator.

> If operating in GAA in this environment, does the neighboring county GAA 
> supersede the ability to install a subscriber to the neighboring county base 
> station? If so, how does SAS calculate the Instruction set to the base 
> station?

The SAS protects PAL’s, not GAA.

>  
> I don’t know if anyone is able to provide any of these answers due to NDA or 
> not
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Re: [AFMUG] SAS/CBRS Questions

[Ken Hohhof]

We have 2 tower sites (each with 4 sectors of Cambium 3.65) on County Line Rd.  
I worry about the issue of serving customers across county lines.  Oh,  and 
PALs are out of the question, one of the counties has much higher population 
and we are only on the far (rural) edge of it.  But even using GAA, not sure if 
there is a solution for crossing county lines.  What really sucks is that the 
tower with the most subs actually sits a few feet into the more populous 
county.  Even if we moved the subscribers in that county to another band, would 
we not be allowed to serve our subscribers on the other side of the road?

 

Maybe this is not really a problem if counties are mainly an issue for PAL 
licenses.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] SAS/CBRS Questions

 

I dont know if anybody here is involved in the trial, or knows anyone who is, 
or if anybody who is is allowed to answer any of these questions. I get alot of 
answers from people not in the trials, its all guesswork though, Id like to her 
something definitive. The answers are driving a 100k difference in product 
decisions.  If any of you degenerates are involved or can forward to people who 
are involved, Id give my first born for clear answers

 

1.  Are you overlapped with other CBRS/SAS trial operators?

a.  Is the overlap same county/neighboring county?
b.  What are the SAS controls looking like. EIRP alterations, channel 
changes, channel size decreases, etc?
c.  How often are SAS commands being issued? (constantly, hourly, daily, 
weekly, rarely, etc?)
d.  Is there any site/POP colocation with other CBRS/SAS trial operators?
e.  Are you able to effectively operate ABAB/ABCD within the band 
effectively while overlapping, and in what channel size?
f.  Have you come across a scenario where your operations were ceased by 
SAS?

   i.  Example 
being, all CBRS channels in use and a temporary outage occurs, during which 
time another operator is granted access to the silent channel.

2.  Does SAS impact your operation among your own cells.

a.  Are you able to allow overlap in your own cells that would not be an 
option with another operator present on the license region?

3.  Is the predeployment modelling available from any of the SAS vendors 
for site planning?
4.  Are there real time tools for monitoring your regional CBRS environment?
5.  How have you dealt with non CBRS/SAS trial operators still operating 
under the N license?
6.  Has the mechanism for recourse been defined should SAS not resolve 
conflicting CBRS operations amongst operators.

a.  Is there a tool for obtaining a contact when there is a discrepancy to 
self resolve amongst operators?

7.  When operating near a county line, assuming it is PAL operation, are 
you able to place a subscriber onto that base station that resides in the 
neighboring county?

a.  If operating in GAA in this environment, does the neighboring county 
GAA supersede the ability to install a subscriber to the neighboring county 
base station? If so, how does SAS calculate the Instruction set to the base 
station? 

 

I don’t know if anyone is able to provide any of these answers due to NDA or not

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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Steve Jones]

theyre down to 41.65 a month now, what an odd number

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:30 AM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> If TeamViewer would charge a more reasonable rate, we would probably pay
> for it but it's way too high for how little we use it. I use it maybe 5
> times a month.
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 10:38 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I think theyre getting pretty strict, I dont blame them, its a rock solid
>> product, cost aside, the best on the market. Guys like me have been abusing
>> their good nature for years.
>>
>> Which of these alternates gives a good native feel and supports multiple
>> monitors?
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:27 AM Eric Muehleisen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> dwservice.net has been my goto for the past few months. It's free and
>>> 100% web based. Works great for linux, windows and mac. Not the best for
>>> mobile however.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 9:22 AM Cameron Crum 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Speaking of teamviewer and hijacking a thread, I use it about once
 every three months for something, but apparently that is enough for them to
 consider me a commercial user. So I get booted about 15 seconds into every
 session and then have to wait 5 minutes to reconnect. They want me to pay
 monthly for it, but since I rarely use it, I don't see the value in it.
 I've gone to Remote PC for now. Anyone else running into this?

 On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 6:13 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> if you had to use an ipad for more than 30 minutes while travelling,
> youd end up in custody. surface is the best choice, second best assuming
> you have reliable data is any device that will support teamviewer and a
> bluetooth mouse/rollout keyboard. then just teamviewer back to a real
> desktop, tv does the best native desktop with all peripheral support, but
> it starts at 700 a year once you get flagged for business use.
>
> for a while they were showing keyboards the projected off your device
> onto the table, was that something that actually turned out?
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:40 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> If you can carry that touch screen around and use it, sure.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 8:41 AM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So are desktop computers with touch screens suddenly tablets because
>>> you can unplug the keyboard?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 5:08 PM Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well, I would say the Surface really is a tablet, since the
 keyboard is detachable. That makes it more of a tablet that can 
 transform
 into an ultraportable laptop that can transform into a desktop...

 On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> It sounds like you are settling on a very good choice.  But it’s
> not really an iPad or any kind or pad or tab, it’s more of an 
> ultraportable
> laptop with a touchscreen display that can transform into a desktop.
>
>
>
> Which is fine.  I used to say an iPad isn’t a small computer, it’s
> a big phone.  I don’t think that has really changed.  What has 
> changed is
> the average person is no longer interested in having a computer, they 
> want
> a smartphone, and/or a handheld Netflix viewing device.  But for 
> actual
> computer work, phones and tablets are pretty lame.  Not sure where a
> Chromebook fits.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *
> ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 11:55 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>
>
>
> See, all of the hard questions that come up in life can always be
> answered right here.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jason Wilson
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 10:44 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>
>
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-dock/8qrh2npz0s0p
>
>
> All the ports you need
>
> With two high-definition video ports, a gigabit Ethernet port,
> four USB 3.0 ports, and an audio output, you have all the connections 
> you
> need. Transform your Surface into a desktop PC by plugging in your 
> Dock
> with the Surface Connect cable.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:21 AM  wrote:
>
> Dock to a nice large 

Re: [AFMUG] DC breaker panel or fuse for two feeds.

[Chuck McCown]

There are lots of 1U power distribution panels avail.  With fuses or CBS.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2019, at 10:58 AM, Carl Peterson  
> wrote:
> 
> I know I should have a breaker, but I only have one output breaker and am 
> looking for a way to add one.  i.e a1U chassis I could run a feed to and plug 
> in a few breakers. (like a fused dist panel but with say four breaker 
> positions) 
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:44 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> My eltek has 4 breaker positions.  Yes I would certainly want a breaker on 
>> that second line.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Sep 17, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Carl Peterson  
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > I normally run #6 from an indoor rectifier/battery setup.  The Eltek has 
>> > one output lug on a breaker with a common return plate.  We have a 
>> > building that has two towers and we have an outdoor enclosure on each 
>> > tower so I need to run a second remote distribution panel.  I could just 
>> > bolt a second lug on top of the first lug, but it seems to be these should 
>> > each be on their own breaker.  is three any sort of rack mount breaker, 
>> > inline fuse holder with lugs, etc that I could add to each feed?  
>> > 
>> > 
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> 
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> 
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] DC breaker panel or fuse for two feeds.

[Ken Hohhof]

I have a site with a Newmar DST-20, they also make a DST-10, I bought it 
several years ago from Tessco.  I actually use it for a battery string 
consisting of a whole bunch of front terminal telecom batteries, but it’s 
really intended as a DC distribution panel.

 

It’s quite nice, that said, it’s probably overkill for your application.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 11:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC breaker panel or fuse for two feeds.

 

I know I should have a breaker, but I only have one output breaker and am 
looking for a way to add one.  i.e a1U chassis I could run a feed to and plug 
in a few breakers. (like a fused dist panel but with say four breaker 
positions) 

 

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:44 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

My eltek has 4 breaker positions.  Yes I would certainly want a breaker on that 
second line.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Carl Peterson   > wrote:
> 
> I normally run #6 from an indoor rectifier/battery setup.  The Eltek has one 
> output lug on a breaker with a common return plate.  We have a building that 
> has two towers and we have an outdoor enclosure on each tower so I need to 
> run a second remote distribution panel.  I could just bolt a second lug on 
> top of the first lug, but it seems to be these should each be on their own 
> breaker.  is three any sort of rack mount breaker, inline fuse holder with 
> lugs, etc that I could add to each feed?  
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] SAS/CBRS Questions

[Steve Jones]

thats one of the things im trying to find out, do we have the choice in the
matter

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:35 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Could be something like that.  or not.
>
> Telrad engineers advised us during our LTE rollout that we should arrange
> that perfect ABCD channel plan and that subscribers should only be
> installed to the sector they're intentionally in, even if another sector
> was stronger due to terrain/tree/distance.  I told them we're not doing
> that because we would have literally half as many customers if we
> restricted ourselves like that, but maybe AT is willing to make that kind
> of sacrifice.
>
>
> On 9/17/2019 12:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> We got a customer who ATT did a cobbled fixed wireless that didnt pan out.
> they said when the tech was there, they had to install them to a far site
> instead of one that was very close with a good signal. I couldnt figure out
> why, but I looked at the guy after The CBRS stuff was clarified and he is
> ina  different county than the better site, I wonder if their licensing is
> similar and thats what the issue was
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:49 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> We have 2 tower sites (each with 4 sectors of Cambium 3.65) on County
>> Line Rd.  I worry about the issue of serving customers across county
>> lines.  Oh,  and PALs are out of the question, one of the counties has much
>> higher population and we are only on the far (rural) edge of it.  But even
>> using GAA, not sure if there is a solution for crossing county lines.  What
>> really sucks is that the tower with the most subs actually sits a few feet
>> into the more populous county.  Even if we moved the subscribers in that
>> county to another band, would we not be allowed to serve our subscribers on
>> the other side of the road?
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe this is not really a problem if counties are mainly an issue for
>> PAL licenses.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:31 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] SAS/CBRS Questions
>>
>>
>>
>> I dont know if anybody here is involved in the trial, or knows anyone who
>> is, or if anybody who is is allowed to answer any of these questions. I get
>> alot of answers from people not in the trials, its all guesswork though, Id
>> like to her something definitive. The answers are driving a 100k difference
>> in product decisions.  If any of you degenerates are involved or can
>> forward to people who are involved, Id give my first born for clear answers
>>
>>
>>
>>1. Are you overlapped with other CBRS/SAS trial operators?
>>
>>
>>1. Is the overlap same county/neighboring county?
>>   2. What are the SAS controls looking like. EIRP alterations,
>>   channel changes, channel size decreases, etc?
>>   3. How often are SAS commands being issued? (constantly, hourly,
>>   daily, weekly, rarely, etc?)
>>   4. Is there any site/POP colocation with other CBRS/SAS trial
>>   operators?
>>   5. Are you able to effectively operate ABAB/ABCD within the band
>>   effectively while overlapping, and in what channel size?
>>   6. Have you come across a scenario where your operations were
>>   ceased by SAS?
>>
>>i.  
>> Example
>> being, all CBRS channels in use and a temporary outage occurs, during which
>> time another operator is granted access to the silent channel.
>>
>>1. Does SAS impact your operation among your own cells.
>>
>>
>>1. Are you able to allow overlap in your own cells that would not be
>>   an option with another operator present on the license region?
>>
>>
>>1. Is the predeployment modelling available from any of the SAS
>>vendors for site planning?
>>2. Are there real time tools for monitoring your regional CBRS
>>environment?
>>3. How have you dealt with non CBRS/SAS trial operators still
>>operating under the N license?
>>4. Has the mechanism for recourse been defined should SAS not resolve
>>conflicting CBRS operations amongst operators.
>>
>>
>>1. Is there a tool for obtaining a contact when there is a
>>   discrepancy to self resolve amongst operators?
>>
>>
>>1. When operating near a county line, assuming it is PAL operation,
>>are you able to place a subscriber onto that base station that resides in
>>the neighboring county?
>>
>>
>>1. If operating in GAA in this environment, does the neighboring
>>   county GAA supersede the ability to install a subscriber to the 
>> neighboring
>>   county base station? If so, how does SAS calculate the Instruction set 
>> to
>>   the base station?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t know if anyone is able to provide any of these answers due to NDA
>> or not
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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Steve Jones]

I think theyre getting pretty strict, I dont blame them, its a rock solid
product, cost aside, the best on the market. Guys like me have been abusing
their good nature for years.

Which of these alternates gives a good native feel and supports multiple
monitors?

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:27 AM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> dwservice.net has been my goto for the past few months. It's free and
> 100% web based. Works great for linux, windows and mac. Not the best for
> mobile however.
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 9:22 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> Speaking of teamviewer and hijacking a thread, I use it about once every
>> three months for something, but apparently that is enough for them to
>> consider me a commercial user. So I get booted about 15 seconds into every
>> session and then have to wait 5 minutes to reconnect. They want me to pay
>> monthly for it, but since I rarely use it, I don't see the value in it.
>> I've gone to Remote PC for now. Anyone else running into this?
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 6:13 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> if you had to use an ipad for more than 30 minutes while travelling,
>>> youd end up in custody. surface is the best choice, second best assuming
>>> you have reliable data is any device that will support teamviewer and a
>>> bluetooth mouse/rollout keyboard. then just teamviewer back to a real
>>> desktop, tv does the best native desktop with all peripheral support, but
>>> it starts at 700 a year once you get flagged for business use.
>>>
>>> for a while they were showing keyboards the projected off your device
>>> onto the table, was that something that actually turned out?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:40 AM Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If you can carry that touch screen around and use it, sure.

 On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 8:41 AM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> So are desktop computers with touch screens suddenly tablets because
> you can unplug the keyboard?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 5:08 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I would say the Surface really is a tablet, since the keyboard
>> is detachable. That makes it more of a tablet that can transform into an
>> ultraportable laptop that can transform into a desktop...
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> It sounds like you are settling on a very good choice.  But it’s not
>>> really an iPad or any kind or pad or tab, it’s more of an ultraportable
>>> laptop with a touchscreen display that can transform into a desktop.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which is fine.  I used to say an iPad isn’t a small computer, it’s a
>>> big phone.  I don’t think that has really changed.  What has changed is 
>>> the
>>> average person is no longer interested in having a computer, they want a
>>> smartphone, and/or a handheld Netflix viewing device.  But for actual
>>> computer work, phones and tablets are pretty lame.  Not sure where a
>>> Chromebook fits.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 11:55 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> See, all of the hard questions that come up in life can always be
>>> answered right here.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason Wilson
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 10:44 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-dock/8qrh2npz0s0p
>>>
>>>
>>> All the ports you need
>>>
>>> With two high-definition video ports, a gigabit Ethernet port, four
>>> USB 3.0 ports, and an audio output, you have all the connections you 
>>> need.
>>> Transform your Surface into a desktop PC by plugging in your Dock with 
>>> the
>>> Surface Connect cable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:21 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dock to a nice large monitor, a normal sized keyboard and mouse.
>>>
>>> Be nice to drop it into a slot when I am at the office.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 8:54 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dock to what?  It's got a keyboard and stand built in.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 

[AFMUG] SAS/CBRS Questions

[Steve Jones]

I dont know if anybody here is involved in the trial, or knows anyone who
is, or if anybody who is is allowed to answer any of these questions. I get
alot of answers from people not in the trials, its all guesswork though, Id
like to her something definitive. The answers are driving a 100k difference
in product decisions.  If any of you degenerates are involved or can
forward to people who are involved, Id give my first born for clear answers


   1. Are you overlapped with other CBRS/SAS trial operators?
  1. Is the overlap same county/neighboring county?
  2. What are the SAS controls looking like. EIRP alterations, channel
  changes, channel size decreases, etc?
  3. How often are SAS commands being issued? (constantly, hourly,
  daily, weekly, rarely, etc?)
  4. Is there any site/POP colocation with other CBRS/SAS trial
  operators?
  5. Are you able to effectively operate ABAB/ABCD within the band
  effectively while overlapping, and in what channel size?
  6. Have you come across a scenario where your operations were ceased
  by SAS?

   i.  Example
being, all CBRS channels in use and a temporary outage occurs, during which
time another operator is granted access to the silent channel.

   1. Does SAS impact your operation among your own cells.
  1. Are you able to allow overlap in your own cells that would not be
  an option with another operator present on the license region?
   2. Is the predeployment modelling available from any of the SAS vendors
   for site planning?
   3. Are there real time tools for monitoring your regional CBRS
   environment?
   4. How have you dealt with non CBRS/SAS trial operators still operating
   under the N license?
   5. Has the mechanism for recourse been defined should SAS not resolve
   conflicting CBRS operations amongst operators.
  1. Is there a tool for obtaining a contact when there is a
  discrepancy to self resolve amongst operators?
   6. When operating near a county line, assuming it is PAL operation, are
   you able to place a subscriber onto that base station that resides in the
   neighboring county?
  1. If operating in GAA in this environment, does the neighboring
  county GAA supersede the ability to install a subscriber to the
neighboring
  county base station? If so, how does SAS calculate the Instruction set to
  the base station?



I don’t know if anyone is able to provide any of these answers due to NDA
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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Josh Luthman]

49 normally, 15% off

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 12:37 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> theyre down to 41.65 a month now, what an odd number
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:30 AM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> If TeamViewer would charge a more reasonable rate, we would probably pay
>> for it but it's way too high for how little we use it. I use it maybe 5
>> times a month.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 10:38 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think theyre getting pretty strict, I dont blame them, its a rock
>>> solid product, cost aside, the best on the market. Guys like me have been
>>> abusing their good nature for years.
>>>
>>> Which of these alternates gives a good native feel and supports multiple
>>> monitors?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:27 AM Eric Muehleisen 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 dwservice.net has been my goto for the past few months. It's free and
 100% web based. Works great for linux, windows and mac. Not the best for
 mobile however.

 On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 9:22 AM Cameron Crum 
 wrote:

> Speaking of teamviewer and hijacking a thread, I use it about once
> every three months for something, but apparently that is enough for them 
> to
> consider me a commercial user. So I get booted about 15 seconds into every
> session and then have to wait 5 minutes to reconnect. They want me to pay
> monthly for it, but since I rarely use it, I don't see the value in it.
> I've gone to Remote PC for now. Anyone else running into this?
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 6:13 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> if you had to use an ipad for more than 30 minutes while travelling,
>> youd end up in custody. surface is the best choice, second best assuming
>> you have reliable data is any device that will support teamviewer and a
>> bluetooth mouse/rollout keyboard. then just teamviewer back to a real
>> desktop, tv does the best native desktop with all peripheral support, but
>> it starts at 700 a year once you get flagged for business use.
>>
>> for a while they were showing keyboards the projected off your device
>> onto the table, was that something that actually turned out?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:40 AM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you can carry that touch screen around and use it, sure.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 8:41 AM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 So are desktop computers with touch screens suddenly tablets
 because you can unplug the keyboard?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 5:08 PM Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> Well, I would say the Surface really is a tablet, since the
> keyboard is detachable. That makes it more of a tablet that can 
> transform
> into an ultraportable laptop that can transform into a desktop...
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:18 PM Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:
>
>> It sounds like you are settling on a very good choice.  But it’s
>> not really an iPad or any kind or pad or tab, it’s more of an 
>> ultraportable
>> laptop with a touchscreen display that can transform into a desktop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Which is fine.  I used to say an iPad isn’t a small computer,
>> it’s a big phone.  I don’t think that has really changed.  What has 
>> changed
>> is the average person is no longer interested in having a computer, 
>> they
>> want a smartphone, and/or a handheld Netflix viewing device.  But for
>> actual computer work, phones and tablets are pretty lame.  Not sure 
>> where a
>> Chromebook fits.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *
>> ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 11:55 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>>
>>
>>
>> See, all of the hard questions that come up in life can always be
>> answered right here.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jason Wilson
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 10:44 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-dock/8qrh2npz0s0p
>>
>>
>> All the ports you need
>>
>> With two high-definition video ports, a gigabit Ethernet port,
>> four USB 3.0 

Re: [AFMUG] email client

[Dan Parrish]

having google index all your personal correspondence, harvest contact and 
network information, and inject ads

I can't imagine /not/ using an email client and running email on controlled 
servers in 2019.



On 9/17/2019 9:04 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

So what's the alternative?  'splain it to me like I'm an old man who likes his 
email client.

On 9/17/2019 9:53 PM, Adair Winter wrote:
I can't imagine actually using a mail client in 2019..


On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:53 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who don’t buy 
Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10, and IMHO, it really sucks, 
I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody.
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[AFMUG] email client

[Ken Hohhof]

Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who don't buy
Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10, and IMHO, it really
sucks, I wouldn't recommend it to anybody.

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Re: [AFMUG] email client

[Adam Moffett]

I was wondering if GMail would be the serious answer.  Still wondering 
what Adair is trying to say.


I'm in a bit of a transition at the moment where I used GMail for 
several days straight.  I concluded that webmail sucked in 2005 and it 
still sucks in 2019.  I'm still curious what Adair has to say, but if he 
says "GMail" then I'll go ahead and say he's crazy.


-Adam


On 9/17/2019 10:34 PM, Dan Parrish wrote:
having google index all your personal correspondence, harvest contact 
and network information, and inject ads


I can't imagine /not/ using an email client and running email on 
controlled servers in 2019.




On 9/17/2019 9:04 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


So what's the alternative?  'splain it to me like I'm an old man who 
likes his email client.


On 9/17/2019 9:53 PM, Adair Winter wrote:

I can't imagine actually using a mail client in 2019..


On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:53 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who
don’t buy Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10,
and IMHO, it really sucks, I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody.

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Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

[Ken Hohhof]

I may be showing my ignorance, but what is a DNS suffix?  I assume you don't
mean tld, like .com or .net.

 

Is this a feature where if you don't enter a domain name, it fills in a
default?  Like if your domain is foo.bar and you address an email to just
paul, it assumes you mean p...@foo.bar?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 7:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

 

Anybody know the magic secret of how to make DNS suffixes actually work in
Windows 10.

 

Mine stopped working when I upgrade to Windows 10 a couple years ago, and I
never got around to figuring it out.  Under TCP/IPv4, advanced, DNS, Append
these...   it seems to ignore it.  On my home computer (workgroup) I have it
defined and it lists the primary suffix in ipconfig /all.  On my office
domain, I have 2 suffixes defined, one shows up in ipconfig, yet doesn't not
work.

 

Googled a bit, no success.  PIA

 

Paul

 

Paul McCall, President 

Florida Broadband / PDMNet

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

 

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Re: [AFMUG] email client

[Adam Moffett]

So what's the alternative?  'splain it to me like I'm an old man who 
likes his email client.


On 9/17/2019 9:53 PM, Adair Winter wrote:

I can't imagine actually using a mail client in 2019..


On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:53 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who
don’t buy Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10, and
IMHO, it really sucks, I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody.

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Re: [AFMUG] email client

[Ken Hohhof]

I will check that out.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 9:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] email client

 

EM Client is the best thing out there today.

 

Free for one email account.  Buy pro version for multiple accounts. 

 

 

 

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 9:53 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who don’t buy 
Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10, and IMHO, it really sucks, 
I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody.

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[AFMUG] router recommendations for 20gbps

[TJ Trout]

Currently running a pair of mikrotik ccr1036 routers doing ~6gbps each,
have two 10gbps transits and would like to upgrade to something that
possibly has 40g ports, I really want to stick with mikrotik but I like the
idea of having redundant routing engines, I just don't know if it's in the
budget...

I suppose I can build a beefy x86 with a pci-e 40g card?
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Re: [AFMUG] email client

[Adam Moffett]

EM Client is the best thing out there today.

Free for one email account.  Buy pro version for multiple accounts.



On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 9:53 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who don’t buy
> Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10, and IMHO, it really
> sucks, I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Camper for sale

[Zach Underwood]

I would not count on it. This was from a few weeks ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/09/us/bank-deposit-error-couple-spending-spree-trnd/index.html

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 10:30 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

>
>
> https://bhdg.myshopify.com/collections/best-sellers/products/camper-car-with-super-large-expansion-space?fbclid=IwAR1CxRO6q8IizPTsgInEMUCEeZf1ZDSwRfOJlaoZY5kkM5tp-EMKV1Ii8aA
>
> If you click that link you'll see a camper on sale for $187.00. Since
> the full retail price is over $19k, I'm guessing the sale was supposed
> to be $18,700.  I went ahead and ordered it just for the hell of it and
> they charged my card $187, and sent me a confirmation email saying
> they'll let me know when it ships.
>
> Is there a law or court precedent on something like this?  If a $19k
> camper shows up at my door, am I legally obligated to say something to
> them since it obviously couldn't be the correct price?
>
> By the way, if it actually shows up then I'm going to offer you all a
> brand new pop-up camper for a screaming good price at the next Friday
> for-sale day.
>
> -Adam
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] email client

[Adair Winter]

I can't imagine actually using a mail client in 2019..


On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:53 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who don’t buy
> Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10, and IMHO, it really
> sucks, I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody.
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Re: [AFMUG] email client

[Chuck McCown]

I am still using Windows Live Mail

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2019, at 7:52 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who don’t buy 
> Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10, and IMHO, it really 
> sucks, I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody.
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Re: [AFMUG] email client

[Dan Parrish]

thunderbird

--dan



On 9/17/2019 8:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who don’t buy 
Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10, and IMHO, it really sucks, 
I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody.



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Re: [AFMUG] email client

[Timothy Steele]

I will 2nd Thunderbird as an email client replacement

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/

but also agree you should move to Gmails webmail

if something is missing in the webmail you need there are many plugins for
the webmail now to fit any needs


On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 10:39 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I was wondering if GMail would be the serious answer.  Still wondering
> what Adair is trying to say.
>
> I'm in a bit of a transition at the moment where I used GMail for several
> days straight.  I concluded that webmail sucked in 2005 and it still sucks
> in 2019.  I'm still curious what Adair has to say, but if he says "GMail"
> then I'll go ahead and say he's crazy.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 9/17/2019 10:34 PM, Dan Parrish wrote:
>
> having google index all your personal correspondence, harvest contact and
> network information, and inject ads
>
> I can't imagine /not/ using an email client and running email on
> controlled servers in 2019.
>
>
>
> On 9/17/2019 9:04 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> So what's the alternative?  'splain it to me like I'm an old man who likes
> his email client.
> On 9/17/2019 9:53 PM, Adair Winter wrote:
>
> I can't imagine actually using a mail client in 2019..
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:53 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who don’t buy
>> Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10, and IMHO, it really
>> sucks, I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Camper for sale

[Ken Hohhof]

Will this be like the guy who won a Toyota but it turned out to be a toy Yoda?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 9:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Camper for sale


https://bhdg.myshopify.com/collections/best-sellers/products/camper-car-with-super-large-expansion-space?fbclid=IwAR1CxRO6q8IizPTsgInEMUCEeZf1ZDSwRfOJlaoZY5kkM5tp-EMKV1Ii8aA

If you click that link you'll see a camper on sale for $187.00. Since the full 
retail price is over $19k, I'm guessing the sale was supposed to be $18,700.  I 
went ahead and ordered it just for the hell of it and they charged my card 
$187, and sent me a confirmation email saying they'll let me know when it ships.

Is there a law or court precedent on something like this?  If a $19k camper 
shows up at my door, am I legally obligated to say something to them since it 
obviously couldn't be the correct price?

By the way, if it actually shows up then I'm going to offer you all a brand new 
pop-up camper for a screaming good price at the next Friday for-sale day.

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[AFMUG] DNS Suffix

[Paul McCall]

Anybody know the magic secret of how to make DNS suffixes actually work in 
Windows 10.

Mine stopped working when I upgrade to Windows 10 a couple years ago, and I 
never got around to figuring it out.  Under TCP/IPv4, advanced, DNS, Append 
these.   it seems to ignore it.  On my home computer (workgroup) I have it 
defined and it lists the primary suffix in ipconfig /all.  On my office domain, 
I have 2 suffixes defined, one shows up in ipconfig, yet doesn't not work.

Googled a bit, no success.  PIA

Paul

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
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Re: [AFMUG] email client

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I've been using Thunderchicken since I don't know when. I've got
  it strapped to at least 4 different SMTP servers. Runs fine, lasts
  a long time.


(BTW - Thunderchicken is slang for Thunderbird; kind of a carry
  over from a Ford car with a similar name)


bp



On 9/17/2019 6:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who don't buy
Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10, and IMHO, it really
sucks, I wouldn't recommend it to anybody.



  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

[Adam Moffett]

More like you telnet to "foo" and the computer fills in foo.bar.net.  I 
understand how it could be convenient, but I've never really relied on it.


I do not know the answer to the question.  It was definitely a trivial 
feature in older Windows versions, so I'm surprised it isn't trivial still.


-Adam


On 9/17/2019 9:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I may be showing my ignorance, but what is a DNS suffix?  I assume you 
don’t mean tld, like .com or .net.


Is this a feature where if you don’t enter a domain name, it fills in 
a default?  Like if your domain is foo.bar and you address an email to 
just paul, it assumes you mean p...@foo.bar?


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2019 7:56 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

Anybody know the magic secret of how to make DNS suffixes actually 
work in Windows 10.


Mine stopped working when I upgrade to Windows 10 a couple years ago, 
and I never got around to figuring it out.  Under TCP/IPv4, advanced, 
DNS, Append these…..   it seems to ignore it.  On my home computer 
(workgroup) I have it defined and it lists the primary suffix in 
ipconfig /all.  On my office domain, I have 2 suffixes defined, one 
shows up in ipconfig, yet doesn’t not work.


Googled a bit, no success.  PIA

Paul

*Paul McCall, President *

*Florida Broadband / PDMNet*

*658 Old Dixie Highway*

*Vero Beach, FL 32962*

*772-564-6800*


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Re: [AFMUG] email client

[Ken Hohhof]

I asked my son and he uses outlook.com which I think is basically webmail 
except it looks like Outlook.  I think because he has an old Hotmail address.

 

But yes, Gmail webmail is probably the answer, except then I have to look like 
a bad guy explaining that yes we will let you keep your 15 year old email 
address with us but we really wish you wouldn’t.

 

And yes we have webmail, but then people leave every message they have ever 
received in their Inbox and eventually hit their storage quota.  And that leads 
right back to the conversation that if you’re gonna do that, you need to switch 
to something like Gmail where they let you have virtually infinite storage.

 

This question though came up from an old farmer customer who bought a new 
computer and didn’t want to pay for Office.  Chuck’s comment about Windows Live 
Mail makes sense, but I thought that died along with Windows 7.  Maybe you can 
still download it as a standalone.  The problem with Windows 8 Mail is it only 
supported IMAP, and our customers are too stupid to use IMAP, or if they switch 
to IMAP they can’t understand that it works different than POP, like I deleted 
this message off my phone why is it gone now from my computer?  Don’t try to 
explain the difference between local and server based folders to an old farmer. 
 Much less explain that POP can only see the main inbox folder on the server 
and once you have a device using IMAP, it creates other folders like Sent, 
Deleted and Junk which are invisible to your POP clients.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 9:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] email client

 

I was wondering if GMail would be the serious answer.  Still wondering what 
Adair is trying to say.

I'm in a bit of a transition at the moment where I used GMail for several days 
straight.  I concluded that webmail sucked in 2005 and it still sucks in 2019.  
I'm still curious what Adair has to say, but if he says "GMail" then I'll go 
ahead and say he's crazy.

-Adam

 

On 9/17/2019 10:34 PM, Dan Parrish wrote:

having google index all your personal correspondence, harvest contact and 
network information, and inject ads

I can't imagine /not/ using an email client and running email on controlled 
servers in 2019.




On 9/17/2019 9:04 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

So what's the alternative?  'splain it to me like I'm an old man who likes his 
email client.

On 9/17/2019 9:53 PM, Adair Winter wrote:

I can't imagine actually using a mail client in 2019.. 

 

 

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:53 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who don’t buy 
Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10, and IMHO, it really sucks, 
I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody.

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Re: [AFMUG] router recommendations for 20gbps

[fiberrun]

> Currently running a pair of mikrotik ccr1036 routers doing ~6gbps each, have 
> two 10gbps transits and would like to upgrade to something that possibly has 
> 40g ports, I really want 
> to stick with mikrotik but I like the idea of having redundant routing 
> engines, I just don't know if it's in the budget...
  Every time this comes up on NANOG the concensus is to get a Juniper MX204 
(20k+). If you don't need full tables, get an Arista 7050 for about a grand.
 
> I suppose I can build a beefy x86 with a pci-e 40g card?
  Purportedly Netgate's TSNR will do this. $400 per 10G of throughput per year.

  If you don't want to pay for a product, I guess you can spitball something 
together with FRR, VPP/DPDK. Nothing that routes with the kernel will do 10G+ 
at wirespeed PPS.

  BTW, why do you want to do 40G? Nobody I know will sell you transit at 40G. 
It's 10G or 100G.


Jared

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Re: [AFMUG] email client

[Daniel White]

This is what I use on macOS.  Also a Windows version.  I've not upgraded 
to version 7 just yet.


https://www.postbox-inc.com/

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct:+1 (702) 470-2770

Ken Hohhof wrote on 9/17/19 19:52:


Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who don’t 
buy Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10, and IMHO, it 
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Re: [AFMUG] email client

[Jason McKemie]

I haven't used anything but Google Mail in the past decade or so.  The PC
based clients seem a bit archaic to me. To each their own though.

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 9:39 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I was wondering if GMail would be the serious answer.  Still wondering
> what Adair is trying to say.
>
> I'm in a bit of a transition at the moment where I used GMail for several
> days straight.  I concluded that webmail sucked in 2005 and it still sucks
> in 2019.  I'm still curious what Adair has to say, but if he says "GMail"
> then I'll go ahead and say he's crazy.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 9/17/2019 10:34 PM, Dan Parrish wrote:
>
> having google index all your personal correspondence, harvest contact and
> network information, and inject ads
>
> I can't imagine /not/ using an email client and running email on
> controlled servers in 2019.
>
>
>
> On 9/17/2019 9:04 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> So what's the alternative?  'splain it to me like I'm an old man who likes
> his email client.
> On 9/17/2019 9:53 PM, Adair Winter wrote:
>
> I can't imagine actually using a mail client in 2019..
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:53 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who don’t buy
>> Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10, and IMHO, it really
>> sucks, I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody.
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Re: [AFMUG] email client

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Still using windows mail that shipped with vista here 

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] email client
Date: Tue, Sep 17, 2019 9:16 PM

I am still using Windows Live Mail

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 17, 2019, at 7:52 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who don’t buy 
Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10, and IMHO, it really sucks, 
I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody.
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[AFMUG] DC breaker panel or fuse for two feeds.

[Carl Peterson]

I normally run #6 from an indoor rectifier/battery setup.  The Eltek has
one output lug on a breaker with a common return plate.  We have a building
that has two towers and we have an outdoor enclosure on each tower so I
need to run a second remote distribution panel.  I could just bolt a second
lug on top of the first lug, but it seems to be these should each be on
their own breaker.  is three any sort of rack mount breaker, inline fuse
holder with lugs, etc that I could add to each feed?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Jason McKemie]

I started having the same issue. Switched to using Google Remote Desktop,
it has been doing the job so far.

On Tuesday, September 17, 2019, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Speaking of teamviewer and hijacking a thread, I use it about once every
> three months for something, but apparently that is enough for them to
> consider me a commercial user. So I get booted about 15 seconds into every
> session and then have to wait 5 minutes to reconnect. They want me to pay
> monthly for it, but since I rarely use it, I don't see the value in it.
> I've gone to Remote PC for now. Anyone else running into this?
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 6:13 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> if you had to use an ipad for more than 30 minutes while travelling, youd
>> end up in custody. surface is the best choice, second best assuming you
>> have reliable data is any device that will support teamviewer and a
>> bluetooth mouse/rollout keyboard. then just teamviewer back to a real
>> desktop, tv does the best native desktop with all peripheral support, but
>> it starts at 700 a year once you get flagged for business use.
>>
>> for a while they were showing keyboards the projected off your device
>> onto the table, was that something that actually turned out?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:40 AM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you can carry that touch screen around and use it, sure.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 8:41 AM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 So are desktop computers with touch screens suddenly tablets because
 you can unplug the keyboard?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 
 Suite 1337
 
 Troy, OH 45373
 


 On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 5:08 PM Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> Well, I would say the Surface really is a tablet, since the keyboard
> is detachable. That makes it more of a tablet that can transform into an
> ultraportable laptop that can transform into a desktop...
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> It sounds like you are settling on a very good choice.  But it’s not
>> really an iPad or any kind or pad or tab, it’s more of an ultraportable
>> laptop with a touchscreen display that can transform into a desktop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Which is fine.  I used to say an iPad isn’t a small computer, it’s a
>> big phone.  I don’t think that has really changed.  What has changed is 
>> the
>> average person is no longer interested in having a computer, they want a
>> smartphone, and/or a handheld Netflix viewing device.  But for actual
>> computer work, phones and tablets are pretty lame.  Not sure where a
>> Chromebook fits.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 11:55 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>>
>>
>>
>> See, all of the hard questions that come up in life can always be
>> answered right here.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jason Wilson
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 10:44 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-dock/8qrh2npz0s0p
>>
>>
>> All the ports you need
>>
>> With two high-definition video ports, a gigabit Ethernet port, four
>> USB 3.0 ports, and an audio output, you have all the connections you 
>> need.
>> Transform your Surface into a desktop PC by plugging in your Dock with 
>> the
>> Surface Connect cable.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:21 AM  wrote:
>>
>> Dock to a nice large monitor, a normal sized keyboard and mouse.
>>
>> Be nice to drop it into a slot when I am at the office.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 8:54 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>>
>>
>>
>> Dock to what?  It's got a keyboard and stand built in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Hey Forrest

[Chuck McCown]

Just graphical discharge records.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2019, at 4:33 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nope, never got around to it.
> 
> I've recently become aware of several products which do something similar to 
> what I had in mind.  What were you looking for?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 5:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> Did you ever build that battery tester characterizer thingy?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Cameron Crum]

Speaking of teamviewer and hijacking a thread, I use it about once every
three months for something, but apparently that is enough for them to
consider me a commercial user. So I get booted about 15 seconds into every
session and then have to wait 5 minutes to reconnect. They want me to pay
monthly for it, but since I rarely use it, I don't see the value in it.
I've gone to Remote PC for now. Anyone else running into this?

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 6:13 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> if you had to use an ipad for more than 30 minutes while travelling, youd
> end up in custody. surface is the best choice, second best assuming you
> have reliable data is any device that will support teamviewer and a
> bluetooth mouse/rollout keyboard. then just teamviewer back to a real
> desktop, tv does the best native desktop with all peripheral support, but
> it starts at 700 a year once you get flagged for business use.
>
> for a while they were showing keyboards the projected off your device onto
> the table, was that something that actually turned out?
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:40 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> If you can carry that touch screen around and use it, sure.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 8:41 AM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So are desktop computers with touch screens suddenly tablets because you
>>> can unplug the keyboard?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 5:08 PM Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well, I would say the Surface really is a tablet, since the keyboard is
 detachable. That makes it more of a tablet that can transform into an
 ultraportable laptop that can transform into a desktop...

 On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> It sounds like you are settling on a very good choice.  But it’s not
> really an iPad or any kind or pad or tab, it’s more of an ultraportable
> laptop with a touchscreen display that can transform into a desktop.
>
>
>
> Which is fine.  I used to say an iPad isn’t a small computer, it’s a
> big phone.  I don’t think that has really changed.  What has changed is 
> the
> average person is no longer interested in having a computer, they want a
> smartphone, and/or a handheld Netflix viewing device.  But for actual
> computer work, phones and tablets are pretty lame.  Not sure where a
> Chromebook fits.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 11:55 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>
>
>
> See, all of the hard questions that come up in life can always be
> answered right here.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jason Wilson
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 10:44 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>
>
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-dock/8qrh2npz0s0p
>
>
> All the ports you need
>
> With two high-definition video ports, a gigabit Ethernet port, four
> USB 3.0 ports, and an audio output, you have all the connections you need.
> Transform your Surface into a desktop PC by plugging in your Dock with the
> Surface Connect cable.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:21 AM  wrote:
>
> Dock to a nice large monitor, a normal sized keyboard and mouse.
>
> Be nice to drop it into a slot when I am at the office.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 8:54 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>
>
>
> Dock to what?  It's got a keyboard and stand built in.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 10:34 AM  wrote:
>
> Be nice if they had a docking adapter.
>
>
>
> *From:* Dennis Burgess via AF
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 8:30 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>
>
>
> Get a surface.  Bout the same size, full workstation.  Vs icrap .:)
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified TrainerMTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
> MTCTCE,