Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-14 Thread Lewis Bergman
I have 4 channel masters I plan on giving to my worst enemy next Christmas. I have been using Tablo for a month and mostly really like it singing gets stuck on a blank screen. Haven't tracked that down yet. Might be due to marginal signal. On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 9:04 PM Chuck McCown wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-14 Thread Chuck McCown
When you get it, please let me know how I can get the content off of it without using wifi, if possible. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:45 PM To: AFMUG Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical You don't need a sling subscription (or at least not a paid one), and it does have

Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Two downsides I see: 1)It wants you to subscribe to SlingTV. While I do subscribe I don’t want to have to subscribe. That makes me not want to buy it. 2)It delivers content via wifi. It probably would not talk from my basement to my upstairs. If it has the ability to deliver via lan

Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-14 Thread Mathew Howard
I just ordered one of these: https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/ The only downside I see compared to the Amazon thing is that it's only got two tuners instead of four, but it's a lot cheaper and it works with a roku. You do need a USB hard drive for dvr functions, since it doesn't have one

Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR. I use Roku for almost everything else. From: Jason McKemie Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device. On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

2019-01-14 Thread Jason McKemie
I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device. On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box. I > have a Roamio. I own it. I don’t pay them anything monthly. After the > upgrade deal went away, my Roamio

Re: [AFMUG] Ethernet 100M Copper Limit

2019-01-14 Thread Roland Houin
the original 100M length was a timing issue there could be 5 hubs propogating signal, & adequate time was required for the signals to propogate 5 segments before collisions. in theory switches would change the equation Roland > I figured this was the best place to ask this question: What is

Re: [AFMUG] Ethernet 100M Copper Limit

2019-01-14 Thread Adam Moffett
That's true.  The 100m comes from the notion of having 90m between patch panels and then two patch cords up to 5m each. Anyway, to the original question: there's no expectation of being limited to 100mbps at 100m. Cat5e should run gigabit all the way to 100m (and often it works farther as

Re: [AFMUG] Ethernet 100M Copper Limit

2019-01-14 Thread Jay Weekley
Actually, the standards specify 90 meters for the long run with two patch cords on either side that can be up to 5 meters long. Ken Hohhof wrote: There is a timing consideration if running half duplex, the guard interval will not be sufficient if the cable distance is > 100 meters. You may

Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

2019-01-14 Thread David M
I finally got a good source for most of the interconnects,din rail and wire management stuff. I always like good clean boxes.. Awesome! On 1/14/2019 3:41 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: Starting year off busy... -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Ethernet 100M Copper Limit

2019-01-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
There is a timing consideration if running half duplex, the guard interval will not be sufficient if the cable distance is > 100 meters. You may be able to go a little farther than 100 meters on cable with excellent attenuation and crosstalk characteristics (e.g. Cat6) if using full duplex.

Re: [AFMUG] Ethernet 100M Copper Limit

2019-01-14 Thread chuck
That originated back in the day of coaxial cable based ethernet. 10 Base 5 10 Mbps, 500 meters. It used a Collision Detection Multiple Access protocol. An ethernet adapter would come on line, blindly transmit and if it did not get an ACK it would back off for a random amount of time and

Re: [AFMUG] Ethernet 100M Copper Limit

2019-01-14 Thread Jesse DuPont
Yeah, I installed a 461' link the other day and it runs at 1Gbps fine and has solid SNRs (about 27.5). That's why I was curious about there the 100 meter (328') limitation originated and, I suppose separately, if it's even a valid distance limitation today on CAT5e and

Re: [AFMUG] Ethernet 100M Copper Limit

2019-01-14 Thread can...@believewireless.net
I had a ~450ft 1Gbps link using Cat5e work just fine. We had run both fiber and ethernet. One day, the fiber just died. The link auto-magically switched over to ethernet and ran just fine until we could fix the fiber. On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:13 PM Jesse DuPont wrote: > Well, I meant Ethernet

Re: [AFMUG] Ethernet 100M Copper Limit

2019-01-14 Thread Jesse DuPont
Well, I meant Ethernet generically. Regardless of 4-wire vs 8-wire, in general, the purported safe distance for an Ethernet over copper (as opposed to fiber) connection is 100 meters. What drives this safe distance limitation spec?

Re: [AFMUG] Ethernet 100M Copper Limit

2019-01-14 Thread chuck
I presume you are talking about 4 wire Ethernet because we do GigE all the time on copper. GigE uses all 8 wires and has data flowing both directions. 100 Mbps E uses 4 wires (2 pair) with TX on one pair and RX on the other pair. GigE uses advanced modulation methods as well. Does that

[AFMUG] Ethernet 100M Copper Limit

2019-01-14 Thread Jesse DuPont
I figured this was the best place to ask this question: What is the primary reason for the 100M limit on copper Ethernet links? Is it related to bit errors/SNR or is there a timing element involved? Something else? Thanks! --

Re: [AFMUG] Business Documentation/Notes storage

2019-01-14 Thread dave
yea.. bout that.. I threw away my remaining 5.25" floppies this weekend On 1/14/19 11:04 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can’t talk about “binders” anymore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binders_full_of_women You could keep the data on a Verbatim 5.25 inch floppy disk like Sheldon’s mortal enemies

Re: [AFMUG] Ericsson and Deutsche Telekom have developed a wireless 40 Gbps backhaul for 5G - TechSpot

2019-01-14 Thread Stephen Patrick
Interesting, A click through from the above link to the original article : https://www.ericsson.com/ne/en/press-releases/2019/1/deutsche-telekom-and-ericsson-achieve-fiber-like-results-with-wireless-backhaul says: "The round-trip latency performance of the link tested was less than 100

Re: [AFMUG] Ericsson and Deutsche Telekom have developed a wireless 40 Gbps backhaul for 5G - TechSpot

2019-01-14 Thread Mathew Howard
It's likely using most, if not all, of the 70/80ghz band to do that. I think the 10Gbps radios all use 2000mhz wide channels. On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 10:34 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > .and is it spectrally efficient? There are hundreds of mhz that count > as "5ghz". > > > On 1/14/2019 11:29

Re: [AFMUG] Business Documentation/Notes storage

2019-01-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
Can’t talk about “binders” anymore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binders_full_of_women You could keep the data on a Verbatim 5.25 inch floppy disk like Sheldon’s mortal enemies list. From: AF On Behalf Of dave Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 10:31 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Ericsson and Deutsche Telekom have developed a wireless 40 Gbps backhaul for 5G - TechSpot

2019-01-14 Thread Adam Moffett
.and is it spectrally efficient?  There are hundreds of mhz that count as "5ghz". On 1/14/2019 11:29 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Could be a typo... maybe it was supposed to be 1ms. Or it's just stupidly written... afterall, 0.001ms is less than 100ms. If "5G's goals" are less than 100ms,

Re: [AFMUG] Business Documentation/Notes storage

2019-01-14 Thread dave
Im with Lewis on this one LOL! I used to have and still do. A ton of archived data on misc drives and drive spaces. I have since consolidated much of it in one giant nas using Owncloud for access. Yes, The binders are what keeps everyone from asking me questions about certain sites and

Re: [AFMUG] Ericsson and Deutsche Telekom have developed a wireless 40 Gbps backhaul for 5G - TechSpot

2019-01-14 Thread Mathew Howard
Could be a typo... maybe it was supposed to be 1ms. Or it's just stupidly written... afterall, 0.001ms is less than 100ms. If "5G's goals" are less than 100ms, than it meets that. 40Gbps doesn't seem particularly impressive to me anyway... that's been possible for awhile with e-band radios. I

Re: [AFMUG] Ericsson and Deutsche Telekom have developed a wireless 40 Gbps backhaul for 5G - TechSpot

2019-01-14 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Must be a typo... maybe 100 us ? On 1/14/19, 10:13 AM, "AF on behalf of Chuck McCown" wrote:     They send each packet 100 times and vote on the most likely values.         Sent from my iPhone         > On Jan 14, 2019, at 6:15 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:     >     >

Re: [AFMUG] Ericsson and Deutsche Telekom have developed a wireless 40 Gbps backhaul for 5G - TechSpot

2019-01-14 Thread Chuck McCown
They send each packet 100 times and vote on the most likely values. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2019, at 6:15 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Maybe they meant 100 microseconds? > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Robert > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 11:01 PM > To:

Re: [AFMUG] Ericsson and Deutsche Telekom have developed a wireless 40 Gbps backhaul for 5G - TechSpot

2019-01-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
Maybe they meant 100 microseconds? -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 11:01 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ericsson and Deutsche Telekom have developed a wireless 40 Gbps backhaul for 5G - TechSpot 1.8 miles with "less than 100ms"