Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-08 Thread Mathew Howard
The kit is available with high band duplexers. But yeah, last I checked, the AF11 is still only in stock anywhere in kit form, so it makes sense to just go with the Ubiquiti dishes (which should be fine for 7 miles anyway), So you'd be at about $3200 for the hardware (2 kits plus two more

[AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN

2020-05-08 Thread Timothy Steele
have a WISP asking me for a CPI Certified installer Does anyone know of a contractor in the TN area? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-08 Thread Jason Wilson
Additionally if you get a high band allotment you’ll need new duplexes all the way around. On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 3:48 PM Jesse DuPont wrote: > Yes. The AF11x "kit" (two radios, two duplexers, two antennas) is $1500, > need two more duplexers if doing MIMO - another $500 ish. Then $2K (at the >

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-08 Thread Jesse DuPont
Yes. The AF11x "kit" (two radios, two duplexers, two antennas) is $1500, need two more duplexers if doing MIMO - another $500 ish. Then $2K (at the most) for the coordination/licensing fees. If you want better antennas than the UBNT ones in the kit, they'll be over and

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-08 Thread chuck
I never shut down. I build critical infrastructure. We distanced, made sure everyone was in their own vehicle. Gave them all gloves and masks. Make sure everyone’s temperature is taken and logged each morning. If someone gets sick, who gave it to them and who gave it to that person. If you

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-08 Thread chuck
$4K, both radios, both antennas and a license? From: Jesse DuPont Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:39 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] af11x About $4K, 700 Mbps. Open freqs completely depends on your location. Might have to upgrade antennas.  Jesse

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-08 Thread Jesse DuPont
About $4K, 700 Mbps. Open freqs completely depends on your location. Might have to upgrade antennas.  Jesse DuPont Owner / Network

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-08 Thread Robert
Act of God?   How would you deal with someone getting the flu or passing it on? On 5/8/20 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Any lawyer will tell you that waiver only goes so far. On May 8, 2020, at 6:00 PM, Steve Jones wrote:  Rotflmao. Waiver of liability. Literally that simple On Fri, May

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
Any lawyer will tell you that waiver only goes so far. > On May 8, 2020, at 6:00 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > >  > Rotflmao. Waiver of liability. Literally that simple > >> On Fri, May 8, 2020, 4:55 PM Matt Hoppes >> wrote: >> As we look to reopen our operations, the one thing that remains is

Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-08 Thread Steve Jones
Rotflmao. Waiver of liability. Literally that simple On Fri, May 8, 2020, 4:55 PM Matt Hoppes wrote: > As we look to reopen our operations, the one thing that remains is > liability. > > How are you all addressing the liability if either your tech gets someone > sick (and they die), or someone

[AFMUG] COVID liability

2020-05-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
As we look to reopen our operations, the one thing that remains is liability. How are you all addressing the liability if either your tech gets someone sick (and they die), or someone gets your tech sick (and now you have a potential OSHA issue on your hands. -- AF mailing list

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-08 Thread chuck
I am already regretting building some microwave due to the fact my fiber is not there yet... From: Steve Jones Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 3:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] af11x are you talking about cost in money or cost in regret? On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 4:27

Re: [AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-08 Thread Steve Jones
are you talking about cost in money or cost in regret? On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 4:27 PM wrote: > What is the cost, all in, license, antennas, everything for a system that > will do 7 miles? > What throughput will that have? > How likely is it to find an open frequency? > -- > AF mailing list >

[AFMUG] af11x

2020-05-08 Thread chuck
What is the cost, all in, license, antennas, everything for a system that will do 7 miles? What throughput will that have? How likely is it to find an open frequency?-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Steve Jones
ezrj45 on the inner jacket. We used to perss the copper into a shielded rj45, but found over time pins would shift or cable end would crack. We esther use leeve bonds that they recomend or the cinch type bond now withing 18 inch of the radio On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 2:28 PM Matt wrote: > What do

Re: [AFMUG] Source for pre-made outdoor OS2 LC fiber cable

2020-05-08 Thread Ryan Ray
Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I've reached out to the companies. On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > https://www.fs.com/products/97941.html > > > On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 1:54 PM dave wrote: > >> BEST-Tronics.com >> On 5/7/20 11:52 AM, Ryan Ray wrote: >> >> Anyone have

Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Matt
What do you use for termination of this BBDGE on tower top etc? On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 9:18 AM Steve Jones wrote: > > BBDGE stops them from getting to the cable, occasionally theyll still get the > outer jacket, but then the copper shield stops them and the inner jacket > protects the cable >

Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Steve Jones
good point on the BBDGE in the conduit, we try to do cross connect at the top so indoor, maybe indoor shielded would be fine. The cream doesnt go anywhere, the BBDNE with the gel on the other hand, that stuff destroys equipment all day long leaking into hardware and power supplies On Fri, May 8,

Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Mark Radabaugh
> On May 8, 2020, at 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Yeah, Kellems grip(s) hung on a hook in the box. Tower guys will hate them > because you have to pull all the cables through. I think there are grips > that you wrap around the cables and lace up, I haven’t tried those, they look >

Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
Yeah, Kellems grip(s) hung on a hook in the box. Tower guys will hate them because you have to pull all the cables through. I think there are grips that you wrap around the cables and lace up, I haven’t tried those, they look complex. I think the people who say you need a pull box with a

Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Adam Moffett
They make a grip that has a ring on one end sized for your conduit.   So you can put a box in and the grip will have the weight hanging on the box. Since riser grips are expensive, some people do just get a plain kellems grip and hang the bail on a bolt screwed into the back of the box.

Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Steve Jones
Squirrels you can usually find their nest, I find them and piss in them and they leave On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 10:34 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I guess we’re saying they’re party poopers? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Friday, May 8, 2020 10:23 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm

Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Steve Jones
Three of our elevator site are migrating to conduit required. We have to retrofit, that sucks. but you guys using conduit, how are you dealing with cable weight? any primary site we build out now, we pre-run 12 ethernet top to bottom, this gets weighty, especially with BBDGE. How often to you put

Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
I guess we’re saying they’re party poopers? From: AF On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:23 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5 Racoon parties? lol. Usually I when they gather you know it because they leave

Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Racoon parties? lol. Usually I when they gather you know it because they leave poop-parties all over. haha On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:17 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Raccoons tend to leave distinctive poop. I’m not sure I’ve ever had > problems with them chewing cable. Usually it’s rodents, birds or

Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
Raccoons tend to leave distinctive poop. I’m not sure I’ve ever had problems with them chewing cable. Usually it’s rodents, birds or dogs. I’ve seen squirrels climb 165 ft grain elevator ladders to chew on cables at the top, even with piles of corn and soybeans all over the ground. Go

Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Bill Prince
Yes. Rats, Raccoons, squirrels (squirrels got an aerial fiber cable once). Turkeys got up on a roof and pecked all the insulation from about 15 feet of cat5 once. bp On 5/8/2020 7:05 AM, Matt wrote: Have a tower and a bundle of cat5's going up. Seems raccoons(I assume) climb up

Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
What brand and model of cable are you using? Several years ago there was a brand that enticed animal chewing due to an ingredient in the outer jacket that was the same used in artificial sweetener. On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > Conduit is your friend, but you do have to

Re: [AFMUG] Elevation question

2020-05-08 Thread chuck
I just did some digging. Their service is not available in my area. Other lower precision services are. But if it grows here they may give the state network a run for their money. From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:24 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Adam Moffett
Conduit is your friend, but you do have to exit the conduit at some point.  It certainly reduces the number of places where an animal can get at it. For radios with cable glands, you can replace the gland with the right fittings to bring conduit all the way to the device.  We did that once,

Re: [AFMUG] Elevation question

2020-05-08 Thread chuck
The price is not good compared to my $600/year for 2cm accuracy. I wonder how they deliver this? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 6:56 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevation question https://catalyst.seilergeo.com/catalyst-wizard/ It looks very

Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Steve Jones
BBDGE stops them from getting to the cable, occasionally theyll still get the outer jacket, but then the copper shield stops them and the inner jacket protects the cable On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 9:15 AM Sean Heskett wrote: > Yup all kinds of critters love cabling, I think it has a soy based

Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Sean Heskett
Yup all kinds of critters love cabling, I think it has a soy based product in it or something. Solution is to put the cable in armored liquidtight conduit. https://www.google.com/search?q=liquidtight=UTF-8=UTF-8=en-us=safari -Sean On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:06 AM Matt wrote: > Have a tower

[AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

2020-05-08 Thread Matt
Have a tower and a bundle of cat5's going up. Seems raccoons(I assume) climb up occasionally and chew on cat5 wires. Had one other tower this happened. Anyone else have this happen? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] LTE routers.

2020-05-08 Thread Mike Hammett
Their newer products have better band availability. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Robert Andrews" To: "af" Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:36:17 PM Subject: [AFMUG] LTE

Re: [AFMUG] Elevation question

2020-05-08 Thread Mike Hammett
https://catalyst.seilergeo.com/catalyst-wizard/ It looks very attractive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020