[AFMUG] 3,000 Watt 120 volt UPS for external batteries only...

[SmarterBroadband]

Does anyone know of a 120 Volt 3,000 watt (or close, 2,700 watts or more is
needed) UPS that comes with no batteries where we can add a string of 155AH
batteries (Preferably a 48 Volt DC UPS so we can add 4 batteries).

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[AFMUG] Tower Fiber

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Someone suggested I run a MTP cable up the tower and use MTP-to-LC cassettes
at the top and bottom.   However I have not been able to find an outdoor MTP
solution (sealed outdoor box) that could be used at the top of a tower.
Suggestions / suppliers?

 

Anybody used something like this?

 

https://springoptic.en.made-in-china.com/product/WNkxclfEqzVQ/China-Outdoor-
IP67-Waterproof-Mini-Sc-Odva-MPO-Optitap-Connector-Box.html

 

Looks like it would be good at the top of a tower...   Anyone know of a USA
supplier of this kind of thing?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik stuff

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Which meanwells?

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Koep
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 5:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik stuff

Does anyone still use Mikrotik boards?

I am taking down a WSIP that went out of business

and they used Mikrotik boards and MeanWell 24 volt DC power supplies.

Do these have any value?

Thanks

Mitch Koep



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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber

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Hi Adam

Telrad show two transceivers for Compacts on their Zendesk site.I think 
this one is Single mode. 

Finisar FTLF1321P1xTL

I have asked FS.com if they have a compatible module.

Adam

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 3:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber



On 7/26/2018 5:56 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 7/26/18 2:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Save yourself the hassle and never use multimode for anything.
>>
>
>
> Multimode is always a mistake at some point in its lifetime. 
> Singlemode is forever.
>
Single mode is better in all cases.
The only reason for multimode was that the the transmitter for single mode is a 
laser and lasers were expensive.  Multimode uses LED transmitters which were 
cheaper.  VCSEL Lasers turned that upside down and single mode is the cheaper 
one now.  The fiber itself costs about the same.

There are always exceptions.  Last I knew the only "approved" SFP for a Telrad 
Compact was a multimode one.  The device will toss alarms if you put in any 
other SFP module.
and I'll grant you that I last tried a 3rd party SFP about 2 years ago, so 
this could have changed, but it was definitely true in 2015 & 2016.  So all of 
our Compacts have a multimode fiber cable.  Cest La Vie.

It was also the case that SFPs with industrial temperature spec were cheaper in 
multimode.  I'm not sure if that's still true, but it was for awhile.


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[AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

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Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you pull
the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just remove
the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing this?
Anyone know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?

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[AFMUG] Eltek "J Series" -48v DC Power Systems

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Thinking of using some of these to make DC sites.  Eltek "J Series" -48v DC
Power Systems

 

Anyone using these?   Care to share how you are wiring things as these are
-48v.

 

I plan to power;

 

A Netonix switch (would I have to use the special -48v version?) for Cambium
APs

A Mikrotik CCR (see my other email)

Telrad eNodeBs (these are -48)

And a mid span injector to power backhauls.

 

Any suggestions, diagrams, help gratefully appreciated?

 

Adam

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

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Has anyone figured out the make and model of the DC connector?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 9:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I just leave the AC supply in place and unplug it, on the very first CCR's they 
had 2 sets of inputs on the PCB so you could run a true 2+0 setup, without any 
documentation they later removed the IC's that did the redundant switching, 
then the PCB headers, now if you solder in a pcb power header it won't even 
work.

 

Just unplug the AC supply and leave it in place, add the DC Jack on the rear 
and connect it where the AC supply was unplugged, everything except the 1009PC 
I think I would stick with +24vdc

 

Works like a charm.

 

You can even do redundant AC using a meanwell ac-dc supply and a 3d printed 
bracket.

 

If anyone wants to buy a pre-assembled dual AC CCR1036-EM for a few hundred 
more than MRSP I'll let one go, have several spares.

 

3d printed files are available with a quick google.

 

TJ

 

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 8:41 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Oh interesting.  So you end up with the green terminal block on the Tycon 
sticking out where the AC connector was?  I might steal that idea.

On 10/27/2018 10:34 AM, Trey Scarborough wrote:

the tycon TP-VRHP-4824 work well and can be mounted inside to fit with the end 
with the connector out the plug holes. I have done this with several CCR models.

 

On 10/26/2018 6:27 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Just ordered a couple of RSD-100C-24 to test….

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:09 PM
To: AFMUG  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yep, they definitely have a 24v power supply (RouterOS reports the voltage as 
24v, even). I would guess that they won't run on higher voltage because they 
use quite a bit more power than the 1009. 

 

If you need to run them on 48v, it's probably best to just use a DC-DC 
converter and be done with it. In fact, I bet you could even fit something like 
a Meanwell RSD right inside the case in place of the AC power supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:29 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

This would seem to imply they want 24 volts:

https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=24V4APOW

 

It’s possible they could also accept 48 volts, but without some assurance 
that’s true, I wouldn’t risk it.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites.   Therefore I would like to use 
them.   +48v would be great 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
To: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think it's 
just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take 12-57v (same 
as the 1100AHx4, I think).

 

There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did that 
with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal power 
supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC 
terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has switch 
chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the CPU, so there 
are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU horsepower.  It also 
seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes it easy to power them up 
on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK 
doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe for POE.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yes I've done that many times.
I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC 
converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.

I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2 
through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There are 
two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a little zip tie 
throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are perfect to 
secure the DC cable.

The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the polarity 
of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with 

Re: [AFMUG] Eltek "J Series" -48v DC Power Systems

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Do you leave the Eltek floating and ground everything after the RSDs?   Do you 
connect the RSD input ground to the Eltek?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 12:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Eltek "J Series" -48v DC Power Systems

 

We use tons of them.. big sites go with a Netonix IDC, smaller sites use 12 
port Netonix + Meanwell RSD DC-DC 

 

For direct connect we use McCownTech  APC/POE injectors

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Friday, October 26, 2018 at 3:14 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Eltek "J Series" -48v DC Power Systems

 

Thinking of using some of these to make DC sites.  Eltek "J Series" -48v DC 
Power Systems

 

Anyone using these?   Care to share how you are wiring things as these are -48v.

 

I plan to power;

 

A Netonix switch (would I have to use the special -48v version?) for Cambium APs

A Mikrotik CCR (see my other email)

Telrad eNodeBs (these are -48)

And a mid span injector to power backhauls.

 

Any suggestions, diagrams, help gratefully appreciated?

 

Adam

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

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Just ordered a couple of RSD-100C-24 to test….

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:09 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yep, they definitely have a 24v power supply (RouterOS reports the voltage as 
24v, even). I would guess that they won't run on higher voltage because they 
use quite a bit more power than the 1009. 

 

If you need to run them on 48v, it's probably best to just use a DC-DC 
converter and be done with it. In fact, I bet you could even fit something like 
a Meanwell RSD right inside the case in place of the AC power supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:29 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

This would seem to imply they want 24 volts:

https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=24V4APOW

 

It’s possible they could also accept 48 volts, but without some assurance 
that’s true, I wouldn’t risk it.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites.   Therefore I would like to use 
them.   +48v would be great 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
To: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think it's 
just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take 12-57v (same 
as the 1100AHx4, I think).

 

There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did that 
with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal power 
supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC 
terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has switch 
chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the CPU, so there 
are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU horsepower.  It also 
seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes it easy to power them up 
on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK 
doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe for POE.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yes I've done that many times.
I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC 
converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.

I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2 
through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There are 
two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a little zip tie 
throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are perfect to 
secure the DC cable.

The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the polarity 
of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with a sharpie.  I 
leave the AC brick in their with the DC side cut off and taped up.  My thinking 
is that if I had to I could reconnect the AC brick.

-Adam

On 10/26/2018 3:04 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you pull 
the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just remove 
the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing this?   Anyone 
know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

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We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites.   Therefore I would like to use 
them.   +48v would be great 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think it's 
just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take 12-57v (same 
as the 1100AHx4, I think).

 

There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did that 
with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal power 
supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC 
terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has switch 
chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the CPU, so there 
are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU horsepower.  It also 
seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes it easy to power them up 
on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK 
doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe for POE.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yes I've done that many times.
I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC 
converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.

I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2 
through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There are 
two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a little zip tie 
throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are perfect to 
secure the DC cable.

The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the polarity 
of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with a sharpie.  I 
leave the AC brick in their with the DC side cut off and taped up.  My thinking 
is that if I had to I could reconnect the AC brick.

-Adam

On 10/26/2018 3:04 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you pull 
the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just remove 
the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing this?   Anyone 
know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

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Yes, I tend to agree.   I have opened a support ticket with Mikrotik regarding 
voltages.

 

Does anyone know make and model of the DC connector?

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:28 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

This would seem to imply they want 24 volts:

https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=24V4APOW

 

It’s possible they could also accept 48 volts, but without some assurance 
that’s true, I wouldn’t risk it.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites.   Therefore I would like to use 
them.   +48v would be great 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
To: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think it's 
just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take 12-57v (same 
as the 1100AHx4, I think).

 

There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did that 
with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal power 
supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC 
terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has switch 
chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the CPU, so there 
are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU horsepower.  It also 
seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes it easy to power them up 
on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK 
doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe for POE.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yes I've done that many times.
I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC 
converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.

I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2 
through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There are 
two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a little zip tie 
throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are perfect to 
secure the DC cable.

The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the polarity 
of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with a sharpie.  I 
leave the AC brick in their with the DC side cut off and taped up.  My thinking 
is that if I had to I could reconnect the AC brick.

-Adam

On 10/26/2018 3:04 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Is anyone powering Mikrotik CCR routers from DC.   It looks like if you pull 
the included AC PSU it feeds the Tik with 24volt DC.   So can we just remove 
the supply and feed the tik from a 24v DC supply?   Anyone doing this?   Anyone 
know what the make / model of plug on the PSU?

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions

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Regarding Procera.  

 

I am looking for a Procera Expert / Consultant to help get our Procera boxes 
doing great things for us.   

 

Does anyone know of someone?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 6:51 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions

 

Yes, if you’ve looked at all three, that would be fantastic.  On list, or off 
list to khohhof “at” kwom.com.

 

If you loved Procera, why did you switch?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adair Winter
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 8:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions

 

Honestly, we loved procera. We are currently with Saisei but not overly happy.

About to do a preseem demo. 

I can send more detail if you'd like later. On mobile now. 

 

Adair 

 

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018, 5:10 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>  wrote:

Once upon a time there was just Procera.  Then there was Saisei and then 
Preseem.  As of the recent WISPAPALOOZA it seems we also have Bequant, which 
bills their product as a TCP proxy, which is not really what I’m looking for.

 

Can anyone relate success or horror stories with any of these, on or off list?  
I have at least one WISP recommending Preseem, and they seem like the latest 
hot thing.  I am confused as to whether Sandvine/Procera is still selling to 
the WISP market, and if so, what is their sales channel.  I just got off a 
conference call with Saisei, and everything sounded reasonably good, no red 
flags.

 

I could go ahead with a trial license from one of these guys, but it would be 
good to know who is using what and how they like it.  Anybody can have a good 
Powerpoint presentation, the question is, how does it work in the real world. 

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[AFMUG] Cable Systems

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We have an opportunity to acquire usage rights to a cable system that
supplies 300 plus mobile homes.   We plan to just inject internet (no TV).
There will be no head end equipment provided to us (currently off site at
the cable companies office), therefore just the cable in the ground and the
amplifiers.   I know nothing about cable and want to know if it would be a
good idea to take this on.   I.e. what we would need to buy, head end stuff,
boxes in the homes etc.  Our plan would be to add a cabinet next to the
cable head end and bring bandwidth to the site via a backhaul link. 

 

Thoughts ideas?

 

Anyone out there with cable experience willing to take a call to discuss
this?

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Paying employees per install/service call

[SmarterBroadband]

Correct.   Anything missing, no bonus.   (For new people we are a little more 
forgiving for the first few errors).

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 9:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paying employees per install/service call

 

 

and if they DON'T do the additional steps you asked for, they just don't get 
paid the bonus?

 

what percentage go the extra mile for the bonus?

- Original Message - 

From: SmarterBroadband <mailto:li...@sbb.net>  

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 11:15 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paying employees per install/service call

 

We do this.  Hourly rate is higher ($10 would not meet minimum wage in 
California…) and we pay a $35 bonus for each install if it meets our criterial. 
 Installer has to take pictures of the installation location, the view the 
radio sees, radio Asset Tag, wire run, wall penetration and POE location.  
Record signal levels (and SNR etc.) which must be within spec.   All necessary 
customer paperwork signed.   All installer paperwork fully completed.  Anything 
not do, no bonus.   We pay the bonus the following week.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 5:31 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] Paying employees per install/service call

 

I was thinking of hiring my first installer/service tech and I am trying to 
come up with a unique way to pay them that basically rewards effort. Has anyone 
ever heard of having a flat base pay of like $10/hour and then on top of that 
pay them for number of installs / service calls / tickets they get completed in 
that pay period? Basically it will motivate them to do more because their 
hourly rate average will increase with the more they get done. Thoughts?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy

[SmarterBroadband]

Chuck

 

I use these.

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X4O6GRK?aaxitk=HsFrre9j0O.VoWtRPlvUUQ 

 
_rd_i=B00X4O6GRK_rd_p=3ff6092e-8451-438b-8278-7e94064b4d42_cr_id=3245557440901=productDescription=Quantum%20Access%20Windows%2010%20Mini%20PC%20Stick%2C%20Intel%20Baytrail-T%20(Quad-core)%20Z3735F%201.33GHz%2C%202GB%2F32GB=B00X4O6GRK

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy

 

Had no idea they were this cheap.  And windows too.  Windows alone used to be 
more than this.  

 

https://www.amazon.com/ACEPC-T8-x5-Z8350-Graphics-Computer/dp/B07D9YX3W6?ref_=Oct_BSellerC_13896591011_2
 

 
_rd_p=61d8b861-c4fd-531a-abc4-b6a30d07028a_rd_s=merchandised-search-6_rd_t=101_rd_i=13896591011_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER_rd_r=0RVM6GTN36MFYZ6TYWAT_rd_r=0RVM6GTN36MFYZ6TYWAT_rd_p=61d8b861-c4fd-531a-abc4-b6a30d07028a

 

From: Colin Stanners 

Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 5:08 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy

 

I don't recommend getting an all-in-one PC-monitor as you have limited monitor 
size options, and if anything breaks inside, you're extremely limited in what 
you can use to fix it.  

 

I recommend just getting a mini-PC and hiding it behind the monitor. Some can 
even run on 12V (may want to put power regulation in the power path depending 
on how stable the source is). From where do you usually buy PCs?

 

 

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[AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

[SmarterBroadband]

What are people using for Fiber up the tower?   

 

We are looking for Single mode 4 strand - 2 LC Duplex at each end.  140 foot
lengths.   They will be run up inside a monopole.

 

Are you using armored?  Outdoor?  What?

 

Where are people getting theirs made?

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

[SmarterBroadband]

Hi Nate

 

We are looking at the fiber store, which cable did you choose?   These will
be hanging 100 feet.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

 

I've been getting mine custom made from Fiber Store.  Only problem is about
a 30 day lead time.  https://www.fs.com/products/29606.html  Used it on
several sites and haven't had a problem with it.  

Nate

On 12/20/2018 2:02 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

What are people using for Fiber up the tower?   

 

We are looking for Single mode 4 strand - 2 LC Duplex at each end.  140 foot
lengths.   They will be run up inside a monopole.

 

Are you using armored?  Outdoor?  What?

 

Where are people getting theirs made?

 

Thanks

 

Adam





 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

[SmarterBroadband]

OK good info.   We had had them quote for the Military Armored cable, but
the shipping was going to be $590..  When I asked why they told us it is
very heavy. 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

 

Item 29606, Customized 4 Fibers Indoor/Outdoor Single Mode Pre-Terminated
Assembly, 2.0mm Breakout Cable.   You can select a custom length.  It's not
a super heavy cable fiber, so I don't think suspension would be a problem,
but it also didn't feel flimsy like the UBNT "tough fiber".  We've run them
vertically on 100'+ grain legs without a problem.  I put pulling eyes on
both ends just to help with installation, helps protect the ends as you
unspool.

On 12/20/2018 2:10 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Hi Nate

 

We are looking at the fiber store, which cable did you choose?   These will
be hanging 100 feet.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

 

I've been getting mine custom made from Fiber Store.  Only problem is about
a 30 day lead time.  https://www.fs.com/products/29606.html  Used it on
several sites and haven't had a problem with it.  

Nate

On 12/20/2018 2:02 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

What are people using for Fiber up the tower?   

 

We are looking for Single mode 4 strand - 2 LC Duplex at each end.  140 foot
lengths.   They will be run up inside a monopole.

 

Are you using armored?  Outdoor?  What?

 

Where are people getting theirs made?

 

Thanks

 

Adam






 





 

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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

[SmarterBroadband]

I second the Honda 1000 and 2000 inverter generators.

 

Also suggest you convert to propane using a https://www.motorsnorkel.com/

 

We had ours done by them many years ago, I believe with the new snorkel it is 
very easy to DIY.

 

They run a long time on a BBQ sized tank, you can use a bigger tank for 
extended run times and it is clean….

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 6:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

 

Am I looking for it to be an inverter-type generator for the UPS to play nice?



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




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From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net> >
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:19:11 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Local Generator

What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone missing. 
It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more than enough. It just 
needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.

 



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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

[SmarterBroadband]

No idea about the oil, I will have to ask one of my guys.
Adam

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 11:11 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

I was looking to buy some pre-converted 1000's for about 2K each and sell my 
1000 gas models but I will try one of their trifuel kits and see 
how it works out!  Thanks!   How is the oil quality when burning 
propane?   Does that make it work better?   I would hate to convert, go 
to a longer runtime and find out that the oil is dying before the fuel 
bottle.   But even if its just the same, it's a win hauling/connecting 
propane vs. gas...

Robert

On 11/27/2018 10:22 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> I second the Honda 1000 and 2000 inverter generators.
> 
> Also suggest you convert to propane using a 
> https://www.motorsnorkel.com/
> 
> We had ours done by them many years ago, I believe with the new 
> snorkel it is very easy to DIY.
> 
> They run a long time on a BBQ sized tank, you can use a bigger tank 
> for extended run times and it is clean….
> 
> Adam
> 
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike 
> Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2018 6:33 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator
> 
> Am I looking for it to be an inverter-type generator for the UPS to 
> play nice?
> 
> 
> 
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> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:19:11 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Local Generator
> 
> What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone 
> missing. It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more 
> than enough. It just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Valere J series -48 or +48

[SmarterBroadband]

Not sure that is true with the J series?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 2:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Valere J series -48 or +48

 

It is 48.  Period.  You choose the reference if you want one.  

 

If you tie the + terminal to chassis ground then the – terminal is the hot –48 
VDC terminal.

 

If you tie the – terminal to chassis ground then the + terminal is the hot +48 
VDC terminal.

 

If you don’t tie either to chassis ground, then you will have to have a common 
return bar that is on the opposite rail from your fuses and circuit breakers.  

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 3:40 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Eltek Valere J series -48 or +48

 

I'm looking at the Valere series and I can't seem determine if it's +48 or -48, 
seems like it's +48 but I thought all the telecom stuff was positive ground. 

 

How do you go about powering negative ground loads from a positive ground power 
source?

 

I'm assuming you can leave out the neutral and isolate the chassis? 

 

 

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[AFMUG] Optical SFPs

[SmarterBroadband]

I am going to go fiber on my next tower.  Is anyone buying compatible SFPs
from fs.com or fluxlight.com for any of the following?

 

Cambium 450M

Telrad Compact 1000

Ceragon IP-20C

Mikrotik

 

If yes, what make and part numbers?

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 48v Power Supply Switches

[SmarterBroadband]

Ken

 

How many AH of battery do you hang off one of these units?

 

Battery connections look very small…

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 1:35 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48v Power Supply Switches

 

What are you doing for battery backup?

 

Another option we use at most of our medium size towers now is the Traco 
TSP-BCM48 battery control module with a TSP360-148 power supply.  They do have 
a 600W version I think it is TSP-BCM48A and TSP600-148 but I haven’t used them.

 

I’m going to guess you have AC UPS’s with a big-ass battery string?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 1:57 PM
To: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48v Power Supply Switches

 

Yeah, 1000 watts does seem like overkill for... the biggest power supply I've 
used on any of our towers is 480 watt, and I figured that should be more than 
double what we actually are using. I mostly use Meanwell 240 watt DIN rail 
mount power supplies these days.

 

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 12:08 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I assume you  want an AC/DC power supply not a switch?  Mean Well is a good 
brand, personally I prefer the HRP series especially if you putting it at a 
tower site because it is a high reliability model with a wider temperature 
range, the price difference won’t break the bank.  I tend to keep HRP-150 and 
HRP-300 supplies on the shelf.

 

Also that’s a pretty big power supply.  Do you really need that much power?  It 
makes sense to have some extra capacity to handle inrush current, but probably 
not more than double.  Power supplies tend to be inefficient when run way below 
max rating.  If you really need 1000 watts, maybe a rectifier shelf with N+1 
redundant power modules would be a better choice.  Or for the higher power 
consumption radios like licensed backhauls, some WISPs like to use a 100 or 
150W power supply for each radio.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 10:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 48v Power Supply Switches

 

I have always had great luck with Meanwell products.  

 

From: Alex Davidson 

Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 8:11 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: [AFMUG] 48v Power Supply Switches

 

Hey guys, we are stepping up to some 48v equipment on a tower and in looking 
into power supply switches. This seemed to be something that would work for us 
(Mean Well SE-1000-48). Any thoughts or pros and cons that yall have found with 
this unit. Any units of similarity that might work well in place of this one. 
Thanks

 

 

 


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[AFMUG] Fiber deployment relative cost

[SmarterBroadband]

Need a quick relative cost of underground versus aerial deployment in a
foothills area where there is a lot of granite so will need a high
percentage of boring.

 

Would aerial cost likely be 50% of underground?  40%. 30%???

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Re: [AFMUG] Paying employees per install/service call

[SmarterBroadband]

We do this.  Hourly rate is higher ($10 would not meet minimum wage in 
California…) and we pay a $35 bonus for each install if it meets our criterial. 
 Installer has to take pictures of the installation location, the view the 
radio sees, radio Asset Tag, wire run, wall penetration and POE location.  
Record signal levels (and SNR etc.) which must be within spec.   All necessary 
customer paperwork signed.   All installer paperwork fully completed.  Anything 
not do, no bonus.   We pay the bonus the following week.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 5:31 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Paying employees per install/service call

 

I was thinking of hiring my first installer/service tech and I am trying to 
come up with a unique way to pay them that basically rewards effort. Has anyone 
ever heard of having a flat base pay of like $10/hour and then on top of that 
pay them for number of installs / service calls / tickets they get completed in 
that pay period? Basically it will motivate them to do more because their 
hourly rate average will increase with the more they get done. Thoughts?

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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

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I have ATT and do the $10 a day thing.   It then uses whatever plan you have
in the USA for calls and data.   
I like to have a working phone and data.  
Make calls, send texts, use nav, all easy and no worries.
Adam 

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka
Technologies
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 12:39 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.

So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
We are able to communicate with no issues.

When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past using
WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.

So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be no
voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but with
data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
calling.

Anybody ever try this?

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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[SmarterBroadband]

Mark, you can do $10 a day for the convenience 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka 
Technologies
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 1:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

 

Bill,

Yeah, that's verizon's pay as you go rate. $10/day adds up quick.  Doing some 
research, I can get some European data only sim's for about $35 for 30 days 
with about 8GB of data.  8GB should be good enough for keeping up to date with 
whatsapp and basic web surfing.
Guess I can check my voicemail and get texts on my main number when I'm near 
WiFi.  I do have a Boingo account I rarely use.  I think they have an App the 
will detect and automatically connect to their hotspots. Thinking between that, 
public WiFi and a data only SIM, I should be reachable most of the time.  


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Thursday, January 24, 2019, 4:26:21 PM, you wrote:


Whatever you do, be sure to explore your options. A friend who just spent 3 
weeks in Australia & had not really looked into the options spent $10/day for 
cell service while there. 21 x $10 =$210. I guess that's not horrible, but I 
tend to think about what else I might have wanted to spend that money on.

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t...@3dsc.co> wrote:


I have T-mobile one account and use whatsapp mainly. Everywhere I have 
been the included international roaming data connection has worked 
descent enough with Whatsapp that I really never looked at any other 
options. The additional I pay for the One on top of the regular service 
would probably equal the same as what it would be for a couple of sim 
cards and service.

On 1/24/2019 2:38 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
> recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
> trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.
>
> So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
> whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
> We are able to communicate with no issues.
>
> When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
> current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past
> using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.
>
> So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be
> no voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but
> with  data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
> Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
> calling.
>
> Anybody ever try this?
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> m...@mailmt.com
>
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Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

[SmarterBroadband]

I think PRO drives have many more writes.

Talking Samsung….

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

 

The only issue with SSDs is the write endurance, and most of them now have a 
certain percentage of spare cells to stave that off for a while. They generally 
won't go toes up all at once, but will lose cells, or blocks of cells at some 
point. You will get more endurance if you oversize them to minimize cell 
re-use. If you think you need 1TB, get 2TB, and it will cut cell re-use by 50%.

 

Way, way faster. 




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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 9:03 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote:

Setting  up  a  new server and trying to decide if I want to go SSD vs
HDD.   This  is  a dell R620 and uses 2.5" drives.  Last one I setup I
just  used  1TB  WD  RED  2.5"  drives.  Now that the price of SDD has
dropped,  I  was  thinking  about using SSD over the HDD.  Most likely
going to be a Ubuntu system with linux SW raid 10.

Any reason not to go with the SSD?


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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Fair warning

[SmarterBroadband]

Song in Text form…..

 

Customer:
Morning,

Waitress:
Morning.

Customer:
What have you got?

Waitress:
Well, there's egg and bacon,
Egg sausage and bacon
Egg and spam
Egg, bacon and spam
Egg, bacon, sausage and spam
Spam, bacon, sausage and spam
Spam, egg, spam, spam, bacon and spam
Spam, sausage, spam, spam, spam, bacon, spam tomato and spam
Spam, spam, spam, egg and spam
Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans, spam, spam, spam and spam.

(Choir: Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Lovely Spam! Lovely Spam!)

Or Lobster Thermidor aux crevettes with a Mornay sauce,
Served in a Provençale manner with shallots and aubergines,
Garnished with truffle pâté, brandy and a fried egg on top and Spam

Wife:
Have you got anything without spam?

Waitress:
Well, the spam, eggs, sausage and spam
That's not got much spam in it

Wife:
I don't want any spam!

Customer:
Why can't she have eggs, bacon, spam and sausage?

Wife:
That's got spam in it!

Customer:
Hasn't got much spam in it as spam, eggs, sausage and spam has it?

(Choir: Spam! Spam! Spam!...)

Wife:
Could you do me eggs, bacon, spam and sausage without the spam, then?

Waitress:
Bleeeh!

Wife:
What do you mean 'Bleh'? I don't like spam!

(Choir: Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!)

Waitress (to choir):
Shut up!

(Choir: Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!)

Waitress:
Shut Up! Bloody Vikings!
You can't have egg, bacon, spam and sausage without the spam.

Wife:
I don't like spam!

Customer:
Shush dear, don't have a fuss. I'll have your spam. I love it,
I'm having spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans,
Spam, spam, spam, and spam!

(Choir: Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam! Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!)

Waitress:
Shut Up! Baked beans are off.

Customer:
Well, could I have her spam instead of the baked beans then?

Waitress:
You mean spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam,
Spam and spam?

Choir (intervening):
Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam!
Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!
Spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam.
Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam!
Spam spam spam spam!

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 5:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Fair warning

 

 

How much spam would you like?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OVKXIfrGJE

 

bp

 

On 3/26/2019 3:55 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I think you grandfathered in many years ago.  

We will reserve an extra helping for you.  

 

From: Chuck Macenski 

Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:52 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Fair warning

 

Hey! I didn't see these terms when I signed up. What if I want to get more spam?

 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 3:44 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

 

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com   

Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 2:42 PM

To: ch...@wbmfg.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fair warning

 

We will try this again:



 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com   

Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 2:13 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fair warning

 

Thanks,

Mail Chimp received a direct complaint today from one of our list subscribers.

Not too long after the complaint, we had a new subscriber join the list.  

I asked him if, during the subscription process, anything was said about me 
sending out spam now and then.

 

He said he received the following from the list serv:

 



Not sure what more I can do.  I went to Mail Chimp several years ago so that 
you can have the option of getting my spam or not but staying on the list.  
This particular person that complained to me today and (presumably to Mail 
Chimp) prefers we spam the list instead.  

I think this is the first complaint that Mail Chimp has ever received about me. 
 

I guess if they boot me, I will have to spam the list... 

 

From: Albert J Rachide 

Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 1:59 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fair warning

 

Keep up the good work! 

 

Al Rachide
Pink Hill, NC

 

 

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:07 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

As all of the old timers know, I advertise my products here.  Forrest is free 
to do so as well.  My dealers too.   And we open it up on Friday mornings to 
everyone as a swap meet.  When I send things there days I use mailchimp for a 
variety of reasons.  Plus it allows you to opt out of my spam and still be on 
this list for all the rest of the subject matter.  It appears that some are 
unaware.  I will have to double check the list subscription process to make 
sure this is made clear to new subs here.  Sorry to those that think I am 
mining the list for spam purposes.  It is worse than that actually as I own the 
domain and have always used it and the AF shows to market my junk.  I guess I 
need to make it more clear when subscribing.

Sent from my 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...

[SmarterBroadband]

I am expecting the same.   

Nice to know he will make millions this year because of his tax cuts!!!

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 11:25 AM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...

 

 

Just got my completed 2018 tax return. I'm kind of stunned. My income went up 
by 8%, but my tax liability went up by 417%

 




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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

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We have found the complete opposite.  We have 10 Exalt Extreme Air 11 and 18GHz 
XPIC links and they have been trouble free.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

 

Exalt is totally dead AFAIK; Star Microwave, which used to do their tech 
support, still does some support, and has some spare equipment. If you need 
Exalt radio  firmware updates or datasheets I have good stock of that for a few 
product series.

 

I have never had good luck with Exalt XPIC. You may want to do a complete 
reboot of both radios and both ends at the same time,

 

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:11 AM Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Is it true that Exalt is totally dead? I am having issues with a set of Extend 
AIR XPIC radios and can't figure out if it is interference or radio failure.

Anyone have suggestions? The radios are showing Modulation Mode 1 = 0 bits of 
traffic on the downlink.

The other set is showing Mode 6 =598 mbps. But we rebooted the "bad" set and 
the "good" set went wonky, and the "bad" set works fine now.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 450M POE

[SmarterBroadband]

Netonix do a 80W POE.

 

NPOE-54V-80W

 

Would that work?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 12:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] 450M POE

 




I know we have covered this a few times. Will the TP-DCDC-4856G-VHP power the 
450M.  In other locations I'm running a DC-DC converter and then running it 
through one of Chucks APC style injectors but I'd prefer an all in one for this 
location.

 

http://www.tycononline.com/TP-DCDC-4856G-VHP-36-72VDC-In-56VDC-70W-Passive-POE-Out-DCDC_p_28.html

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[AFMUG] Procera

[SmarterBroadband]

Anyone doing shaping with Procera boxes?

 

We are new to Procera and looking for ideas, knowledge (help) with how we
can shape traffic to improve network performance and customer perception.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Watchdog Device

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They have been great for us.  Only one failure I can think of and they
replaced it straight away.

We have moved over to the Pros now and these are holding up well.

I just wish they would do this model in a rack mount version

Adam

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 2:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Watchdog Device

Have they improved the durability of their stuff?   We went through so 
many of the older versions that we gave up on them as a vendor.   They 
were great at replacing them but you can only have so many failures to deal
with...

Robert

On 01/30/2019 12:44 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> Digital Loggers Pro Switch does that for 8 sockets, and you get 8 
> sockets to control remotely.
> 
> https://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html
> 
> Adam
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 2:36 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Watchdog Device
> 
> Does anyone know of a inexpensive device that will ping an IP address 
> and if it misses so many pings power cycle an AC outlet?
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Re: [AFMUG] Thanks for the Memories Chuck Mccown!

[SmarterBroadband]

I think that is Paul and I in the center…

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 5:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thanks for the Memories Chuck Mccown!

 

 

Here's another angle.  Facebook is showing them to me today.

 



- Original Message - 

From: Ryan Hill   

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   

Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 7:47 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thanks for the Memories Chuck Mccown!

 

I’m guessing 2008 based on my Ball Cap, and long hair. LOL





 


   

 Ryan Hill  

   Operations Manager

 Amplex Internet

  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047 

    www.amplex.net

 

 

 










On Feb 1, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

 

 


  

  

What year was this?

From: AF <  af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf 
of CBB Fuller <  par...@cyberbroadband.net>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <  
af@af.afmug.com>
Date: Friday, February 1, 2019 at 9:37 AM
To: "  af@af.afmug.com" <  
af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Thanks for the Memories Chuck Mccown!

Ah, good times.  I miss these trips oh so much more than I ever thought I would.




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Re: [AFMUG] I did it

[SmarterBroadband]



-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:39 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] I did it

This is the mini computer I selected for my splicing trailer.  Boots to the 
login screen in about 15 seconds, fully logged in and ready to go in about
45 seconds.  Took a while to config Win 10 but really was simple and easy. 
Nothing out of the ordinary.  Not sure if I can power it off of the usb on the 
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Re: [AFMUG] connectorized 450 SM replacement

[SmarterBroadband]

I have over 100 new connectorized 450 SM on the shelf.   Do you want to buy
some?

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 11:03 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] connectorized 450 SM replacement

 

Has anyone found an replacement for the connectorized 450 SM, now that it is
discontinued?  There are rumors of a connectorized 450b, but I can't install
a rumor.

 

Yes, there's a connectorized 450i, but it needs 48V POE and is prohibitively
expensive.  And I really don't want to try and butcher a 450b to solder coax
connectors or cables to the PCB.

 

Do I have to explore the used market?

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[AFMUG] Telrad Compact 1000

[SmarterBroadband]

Hi

 

I am looking for some used Telrad Compact 1000 3.65MHz LTE eNB.   Anyone
have any to sell?

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Gloat

[SmarterBroadband]

And no repairs needed….

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gloat

 

I got cat butts on ebay

 

On Fri, May 31, 2019, 3:00 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

I have pretty good luck with buying this type of stuff...

I have a HP solar array simulator I bought off of ebay that was
blowing fuses...  a 10 cent ceramic capacitor in the power supply
section was shorted.

I also have a voltage standard I bought as working.  Got it here,
wasn't working.   Tried to send it back, they didn't want it, refunded
all of my money.   Figured out it just needed new electrolytic caps -
replaced them all for like $20.  Now I have a really nice voltage
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On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 1:30 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:
>
> Gotta love ebay.
>
> Got an Exeltech 10 kW 48 VDC to 120 VAC modular inverter for $1865.  Listed 
> “for parts not working”.
>
> Hooked it up to a 48 volt battery.  Pulled out all the modules (1K each) but 
> one, had a light hooked to the output.
> Went through hot swapping all the modules.  9 of the 10 modules are good.
>
> One of them is bad.  Blown fets on it.
>
> This thing was probably $20K or more new.  Now I need another rack so I can 
> make two 5K inverters out of this...
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[AFMUG] AirFiber24 repair

[SmarterBroadband]

I have a couple of AirFiber24s that need repair.   

 

Anyone doing this?

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

[SmarterBroadband]

Multiping is great for this.

 

www.multiping.com  

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 9:43 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

 

I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.  Lately
they have been having big problems on their fiber system.

 

What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping something
and make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but it had a
freaking huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they are going
to want some money.  

 

I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure
someone has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like Google DNS
every 30 seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it comes back
record the time.  

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: When to consider 450M?

[SmarterBroadband]

I have new connectorized…..   You want?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 1:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: When to consider 450M?

 

We are running out of 450D’s and are still not happy with the 450b high gain.   
Not sure what we are going to do once the D’s run out.

 

Mark





On Jun 21, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Matt Mangriotis via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

 

It’s no secret Ken… just not coming soon enough! I would like to get it out 
sooner, and don’t want to hype it up, because it’s not going to be available 
until Q4.

 

Rest assured, it is coming though.

 

Matt

 

From: AF <  af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:28 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <  
af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

 

Seems to be a secret at Cambium.

 

From: AF <  af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf 
Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <  af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

 

Conn. 450b is coming so you can add a 2ft dish too 

 

From: AF <  af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf 
of Ken Hohhof <  af...@kwisp.com>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <  
af@af.afmug.com>
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 11:12 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <  
af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

 

450b SMs will also help uplink due to their higher xmt power.  At the expense 
of 1-2 dB of antenna gain compared to a reflector dish, which could hurt 
downlink.

 

From: AF <  af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf 
Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <  af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

 

Yes, uplink mumimo FTW!  We see 4-8 db increase in rssi

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
m: 


 

 

 

 

 

  

 

  

 

  

 

  

 

  



 

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On 6/20/19, 9:35 AM, "AF on behalf of Matt" < 

[AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

[SmarterBroadband]

Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.

 

Choices seem to be

 

Multiwave Smart Aligner

3Z Telecom RF Vision

Sunsight

 

Anyone have experience of any of these?

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

[SmarterBroadband]

Which one?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strittmatter
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:01 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

 

Fs.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:58 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

 

Hi

 

We are using CCR 1036-8G-2S+, what Single Mode LR Fiber 10G SFP+ compatible
modules are you using successfully?  

 

Thanks

 

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[AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

[SmarterBroadband]

Hi

 

We are using CCR 1036-8G-2S+, what Single Mode LR Fiber 10G SFP+ compatible
modules are you using successfully?  

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

[SmarterBroadband]

14 for me.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees where 
Bill lives.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get confused 
about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees doesn’t matter 
on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the sectors to the tower 
faces or the roads.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Daniel White
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.

Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your phone 
or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally, but either are 
a good investment.

 


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SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:

Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.

 

Choices seem to be

 

Multiwave Smart Aligner

3Z Telecom RF Vision

Sunsight

 

Anyone have experience of any of these?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

 

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[AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

[SmarterBroadband]

I am trying to get a fiber SFP working in my IP-20C.  I am licensed for two
GbE ports.   I must be missing something.

 

Can anyone list the steps to get this working?

 

Thanks

 

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[AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C

[SmarterBroadband]

What is the latest stable firmware people are running on these in 11 and
18GHz?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

[SmarterBroadband]

Hi Caleb

Yes, done that.  Admin status is up.  Operational status is Down

What else do I need?  Ethernet Services?  Service Points?

Adam

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 10:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

Go to the Interface Manager and turn on/off GE ports that you want to use.
1 is the copper port, 2 is the first sfp cage, 3 is the sfp cage that may or
may not be used for MIMO depending on HW model so probably stick with port
2.  It's under the System tab or something on top of the tree, don't have
one handy to look.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:49 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> I am trying to get a fiber SFP working in my IP-20C.  I am licensed for
two GbE ports.   I must be missing something.
>
>
>
> Can anyone list the steps to get this working?
>
>
>
> Thanks
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Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

[SmarterBroadband]

Yes over complicated.  Old units, adding second data connection over fiber.  
Plan is to LAG Data 1 and 2 to increase throughput to over 1 Gig.

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 3:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

I always thought they were overly complicated.
If it's a new unit, tech support will help you set it up.  You'll probably 
never have to look at it again so IMO just let them take care of it.

-Adam


On 5/14/2019 5:42 PM, Trey Scarborough wrote:
> Yes you will have to provision a service on them for it to pass traffic.
>
> On 5/14/2019 1:46 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> Hi Caleb
>>
>> Yes, done that.  Admin status is up.  Operational status is Down
>>
>> What else do I need?  Ethernet Services?  Service Points?
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 10:58 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP
>>
>> Go to the Interface Manager and turn on/off GE ports that you want to 
>> use.
>> 1 is the copper port, 2 is the first sfp cage, 3 is the sfp cage that 
>> may or may not be used for MIMO depending on HW model so probably 
>> stick with port 2.  It's under the System tab or something on top of 
>> the tree, don't have one handy to look.
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:49 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>>> I am trying to get a fiber SFP working in my IP-20C.  I am licensed 
>>> for
>> two GbE ports.   I must be missing something.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can anyone list the steps to get this working?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

[SmarterBroadband]

I reached out to Cambium.   I asked about 4.3.2 on all combinations.  They 
replied;

 

with the exception of F200 to 1000 or 2000 AP – you will not have QoS.  For 
F200 to 1000 or 2000 you will have QoS.  Here are some comments I received from 
our engineer:

 

Force 300 to 1000 or 2000 AP - No QOS

Force 200 to 1000 or 2000 AP - QOS is available in 4.3.X. Please use 4.3.2.1, 
as 4.3.2 had some issue. 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-3000-2000-and-1000/4-3-2-802-11n-SMs-not-being-able-to-connect-to-AP-issue-and-work/m-p/103375#M16454
 

 

Force 200 to 3000 AP - No QOS.

Force 300 to 3000 AP  - No QOS

 

The note in red on support site 
(https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/ 

  ) is confusing/wrong. So, it’s being changed to following. : -

 

4.3.2.1 release is targeted for ePMP3000, backwards/forwards compatible mode, 
pure ePMP1000/2000 legacy networks and PTP 550. Please note that MIR & QOS is 
not supported on ePMP3000 & backwards/forward mode.

 

Thus, on 4.3.X, QOS is only supported for pure n network.

Date for QoS for 3K to F300  ( and forward and backward) QoS not confirmed yet.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 3:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

It's really not clear at first glance, so I don't blame you at all. Its really 
odd how they have the firmware layout at the moment, as everything progresses I 
believe the entire firmware stack moves to 4.x, so the older firmware will be 
moved off the EPMP page. Pure epmp1000 deployments to 4.x are not recommended 
just yet, from what I understand. Only if you have a need for mixed mode.

 

On Mon, May 20, 2019, 3:16 PM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

Thank you for the info. I completely skipped over the release notes because it 
said PTP 550. I guess I should have opened it and read it.

 

From: AF [mailto:  af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 1:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 / 
15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch. 

 

ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the 
firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to connect 
to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility) 

 

For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility 
(clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)

 

All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG 

 

For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider that 
not production ready like me, I see what your saying. 

 

The descriptions don't make this very clear.

 

 

 

 

 

Joe

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what you 
meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x firmware 
for 1000/2000 models.

 

From: AF [mailto:  af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable version 
released 2 days ago and it will work.

 

Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing epmp 
radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to latest 
version first though or they won't connect. 

 

Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput as well 
as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is improved 
by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.

 

To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers so you 
can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at least. No 
point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they won't see any 
benefit. 

 

On 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

[SmarterBroadband]

Are you saying Force 200 to a 2000AP both on latest firmware will lose QOS? 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 11:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Not if you're swapping to an ePMP 3000L... granted you're not going to get the 
same improvement (it's a 2x2 radio rather than 4x4, so no 3db uplink gain, for 
example), but it should still be somewhat of an improvement, and it'll let any 
AC SMs run at 256QAM.

 

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the AP swap is an antenna swap too

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:16 PM Joe Novak mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 / 
15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch. 

 

ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the 
firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to connect 
to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility) 

 

For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility 
(clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)

 

All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG 

 

For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider that 
not production ready like me, I see what your saying. 

 

The descriptions don't make this very clear.

 

 

 

 

 

Joe

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what you 
meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x firmware 
for 1000/2000 models.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable version 
released 2 days ago and it will work.

 

Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing epmp 
radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to latest 
version first though or they won't connect. 

 

Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput as well 
as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is improved 
by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.

 

To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers so you 
can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at least. No 
point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they won't see any 
benefit. 

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000 AP in 
place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?  Do you get 
any benefits without the Force300 SM?  

On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:

It works now. Download the latest firmware.

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this? 

 

Andy Trimmell

Business Manager

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

[SmarterBroadband]

Same.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 2:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Not exactly clear on that but I'm really hoping that QOS firmware drops 
really soon. I'm ready to do some testing.

 

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:29 PM SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Are you saying Force 200 to a 2000AP both on latest firmware will lose QOS? 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 11:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Not if you're swapping to an ePMP 3000L... granted you're not going to get the 
same improvement (it's a 2x2 radio rather than 4x4, so no 3db uplink gain, for 
example), but it should still be somewhat of an improvement, and it'll let any 
AC SMs run at 256QAM.

 

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the AP swap is an antenna swap too

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:16 PM Joe Novak mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 / 
15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch. 

 

ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the 
firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to connect 
to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility) 

 

For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility 
(clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)

 

All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG 

 

For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider that 
not production ready like me, I see what your saying. 

 

The descriptions don't make this very clear.

 

 

 

 

 

Joe

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what you 
meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x firmware 
for 1000/2000 models.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On 
Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable version 
released 2 days ago and it will work.

 

Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing epmp 
radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to latest 
version first though or they won't connect. 

 

Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput as well 
as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is improved 
by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.

 

To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers so you 
can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at least. No 
point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they won't see any 
benefit. 

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000 AP in 
place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?  Do you get 
any benefits without the Force300 SM?  

On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:

It works now. Download the latest firmware.

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this? 

 

Andy Trimmell

Business Manager

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 500 foot shot

[SmarterBroadband]

I was leaning towards the "IgniteNet One 60-19"   
But the comments make me think I should look at the 2.5G version.

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 10:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 500 foot shot

Same experience w/ IgniteNet - had some stability issues with the early stuff 
but the newer 2.5G units have been solid.


-Rob



On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:23 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> We had some issues with the original 1Gbps units - which they did replace for 
> free, and as I understand it, the 1 gig radios have since been redesigned, 
> but we've had two of the 2.5Gbps links up for close to two years with no real 
> problems. The Mikrotik 60ghz radios seem to work pretty well too.
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 4:15 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>>
>> We need to put up a 100Meg link for our county.   Possible they may 
>> eventually need 500Meg.   Is the IgniteNet 60Ghz solid and ready for prime 
>> time?   I would use AF24 but this link is about 4 degrees off an existing 
>> AF24 link!!!  Could use Siklu but don’t see using it anywhere else so would 
>> need to hold a spare.   However if IgniteNet worked well I could see other 
>> uses.   Other thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

[SmarterBroadband]

done

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 7:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

 

can i peek too?

 

 

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 4:07 PM SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Never had a repeater site burn down.   Many moves, new people always want free 
internet.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On 
Behalf Of dave
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 1:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

 

How does that work if they move out or the house burns down :)




On 4/26/19 4:59 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Sent.
 
-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Graham McIntire
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements
 
Does anyone have an example of an agreement/contract you have with customers
that host micropops on their houses? Something along the lines of like
"please don't unplug our stuff."
 
Graham McIntire
Verona Networks
 
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Re: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

[SmarterBroadband]

Sent.

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Graham McIntire
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

Does anyone have an example of an agreement/contract you have with customers
that host micropops on their houses? Something along the lines of like
"please don't unplug our stuff."

Graham McIntire
Verona Networks

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Re: [AFMUG] Kellems support grips for Cat5 cables

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We just purchased these lace-up grips so we do not have to slide them down
the drop.   Not used them yet.

 

https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=sp_search_results

=lace-up

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 6:39 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Kellems support grips for Cat5 cables

 

Has anyone used the "Chinese finger trap" style support grips for vertical
runs of outdoor Cat5 cable in conduit?

 

I need to support 8 - 10 cables in a 150 ft straight run of 2 inch conduit,
there is a pull box with a support hook at the top of this run, then another
~30 feet of conduit to a box at the top where the individual cables would go
through glands and out to the radios.

 

I did a test with a grip for 0.85 to 1.00 inch cable diameter, and a cable
bundle that measured maybe 0.75 to 0.85 inches, and it's very, very
difficult to pass the bundle through the grip.  I can't see sliding 50 feet
of cable through it.  Even just a foot or two was a challenge.  Yet I'm
reluctant to just use a larger grip, for fear it won't grip properly.

 

Is there a trick to using these things?

 

https://www.graybar.com/store/en/gb/0850-to-1-inch-kellems-galvanized-steel-
single-eye-bus-drop-support-grip-88147585

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

[SmarterBroadband]

sent

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 7:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

 

I wouldn't mind seeing yours as well if you don't mind.

 

thanks

Sam

 

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 4:00 PM SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Sent.

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On 
Behalf Of Graham McIntire
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

Does anyone have an example of an agreement/contract you have with customers
that host micropops on their houses? Something along the lines of like
"please don't unplug our stuff."

Graham McIntire
Verona Networks

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Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive Surveillance Cameras

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How long do the batteries actually last?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 3:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive Surveillance Cameras

 

I installed the Blink cameras at my place and have been pretty happy.

 

-Sean

 

 

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 3:22 PM Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Was looking for some inexpensive cameras for home, tower sites, etc.
Have customers asking too.

What is everyone using?  Amazon cloud cameras look appealing but I see
no way to share camera access with other users for certain cameras
without sharing them all.

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Re: [AFMUG] Kellems support grips for Cat5 cables

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aWmuOwT_28

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 9:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kellems support grips for Cat5 cables

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uwFu1bTbA

 

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 10:44 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kellems support grips for Cat5 cables

 

We just purchased these lace-up grips so we do not have to slide them down the 
drop.   Not used them yet.

 

https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=sp_search_results 
<https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=sp_search_results=lace-up> 
=lace-up

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 6:39 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Kellems support grips for Cat5 cables

 

Has anyone used the “Chinese finger trap” style support grips for vertical runs 
of outdoor Cat5 cable in conduit?

 

I need to support 8 – 10 cables in a 150 ft straight run of 2 inch conduit, 
there is a pull box with a support hook at the top of this run, then another 
~30 feet of conduit to a box at the top where the individual cables would go 
through glands and out to the radios.

 

I did a test with a grip for 0.85 to 1.00 inch cable diameter, and a cable 
bundle that measured maybe 0.75 to 0.85 inches, and it’s very, very difficult 
to pass the bundle through the grip.  I can’t see sliding 50 feet of cable 
through it.  Even just a foot or two was a challenge.  Yet I’m reluctant to 
just use a larger grip, for fear it won’t grip properly.

 

Is there a trick to using these things?

 

https://www.graybar.com/store/en/gb/0850-to-1-inch-kellems-galvanized-steel-single-eye-bus-drop-support-grip-88147585

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz stingers still available?

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I have used Stingers and 13 and 17 yagi.

Email me if interested.

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 12:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] 900mhz stingers still available?

 

does anyone know where i can get a 900mhz HPOL stinger or super stinger? i 
can't find any vendor that stocks them anymore

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Re: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

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Never had a repeater site burn down.   Many moves, new people always want free 
internet.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 1:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

 

How does that work if they move out or the house burns down :)




On 4/26/19 4:59 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Sent.
 
-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Graham McIntire
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements
 
Does anyone have an example of an agreement/contract you have with customers
that host micropops on their houses? Something along the lines of like
"please don't unplug our stuff."
 
Graham McIntire
Verona Networks
 
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[AFMUG] 500 foot shot

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We need to put up a 100Meg link for our county.   Possible they may
eventually need 500Meg.   Is the IgniteNet 60Ghz solid and ready for prime
time?   I would use AF24 but this link is about 4 degrees off an existing
AF24 link!!!  Could use Siklu but don't see using it anywhere else so would
need to hold a spare.   However if IgniteNet worked well I could see other
uses.   Other thoughts?

 

Thanks

 

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[AFMUG] LightPointe

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Just received a flyer from LightPointe in the post.   Has anyone tried /
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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber24 repair

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Followed the link and it says “Sold Out”…..

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Withrow via AF
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Tim Withrow 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber24 repair

 

Thanks for the tip

  _  

On Monday, June 24, 2019 Nate Burke mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > 
wrote:

There's an official repair channel through UBNT I Believe.   In 2017 I sent in 
2 broken AF24 radios, and they let me buy refurbed radios for $400 each.
Everything was coordinated through Support and then ordered via the UBNT Store. 
 Unless thing have changed since then.

https://store.ui.com/search?mockup=airfiber+repair 
<https://store.ui.com/search?mockup=airfiber+repair=airfiber+repair*> 
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On 6/24/2019 6:10 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

I have a couple of AirFiber24s that need repair.   

 

Anyone doing this?

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Label Printer

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I am happy with our Asset Tags if you need a supplier.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 9:17 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Label Printer

 

Nice.

 

Now you can print "Warning 1,000,000 Ohms" signs.

 

I've been amazed that the labels from my cheap little Brother TZ printer
have lasted as long as 10 years outdoors with no degradation from UV.  Yet I
bought some asset tags that faded in just a month or two, turned into a
totally blank label.  So it's nice they specifically state outdoor rated UV
resistant.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On
Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 10:36 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Label Printer

 

I had to buy a fancy label printer to label fiber optic line markers.  

Each one needed a unique number etc.  Some of them need some minor graphics

 

So I bought a LabelTac 4

  https://www.labeltac.com/printers/

 

It has label stock that is outdoor rated for 5 years, UV rated etc.  Tons of
colors and pre printed label stock etc.  Excited to get it.

They called my wife this morning to ask if we needed help selecting any of
the consumables and told her about software templates that are available
etc.   Very helpful post sales call.

 

Then they sent an email to tell her that the LabelTac 4 is back ordered by
4-5 weeks so they are sending us a LabelTac ProX instead.

 

$499 to $899 free upgrade. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery

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Where can we get LifePO4 prismatic cells for less?   And what is a 16s bms?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery

 

100ft red only ~$210 ea, buy 4 new.

 

Alternatively use LifePO4 prismatic cells and a 16s bms for less than your are 
going to spend for lead and get 3000-5000 cycles

 

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:40 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote:

Bill,

so far only been in this state for about a week.


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BP> batteries have been getting overcharged for however long it's been. That
BP> stresses them, and I don't know how long it takes for them to be damaged.


BP> bp
BP> 

BP> On 7/2/2019 12:28 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>> I  have  a  -48vdc  power plant that uses 4 of these batteries.. One of
>> them  has  gone  bad.   I took them out of series for testing and have
>> ID'd the bad battery.  These are 8 year old batteries.  Just wondering
>> if  I  should  replace all 4 at over $400 each or just replace the one
>> for now.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
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>>  
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com  
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber24 repair

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I have emailed support to see what they can do.

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 2:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber24 repair

 

Like I said, it was 2 years ago, but I had to go through support to verify
the broken radios before it let me purchase it from the store.  They gave me
a special code to use at the store.  

Nate

On 6/26/2019 4:48 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Followed the link and it says "Sold Out"...

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Withrow via AF
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Cc: Tim Withrow  <mailto:timwith...@aol.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber24 repair

 

Thanks for the tip

  _  

On Monday, June 24, 2019 Nate Burke mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

There's an official repair channel through UBNT I Believe.   In 2017 I sent
in 2 broken AF24 radios, and they let me buy refurbed radios for $400 each.
Everything was coordinated through Support and then ordered via the UBNT
Store.  Unless thing have changed since then.

https://store.ui.com/search?mockup=airfiber+repair
<https://store.ui.com/search?mockup=airfiber+repair=airfiber+repair*>
=airfiber+repair*






On 6/24/2019 6:10 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

I have a couple of AirFiber24s that need repair.   

 

Anyone doing this?

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Remote Control

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WiFi?   What exactly did you get?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 12:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Remote Control

 

I just tried the eWeLink iot device.  Works great.  

 

From: SmarterBroadband 

Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 1:54 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Remote Control

 

Like this?

 

https://www.amazon.com/Yosoo-110-240V-Wireless-Controller-Security/dp/B07GCMNYV9/ref=sr_1_11?keywords=gsm+remote+switch
 
<https://www.amazon.com/Yosoo-110-240V-Wireless-Controller-Security/dp/B07GCMNYV9/ref=sr_1_11?keywords=gsm+remote+switch=1570046016=8-11>
 =1570046016=8-11

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 8:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Remote Control

 

I built a remote control to turn on the air flow from a 175 PSI 375 CFM 
compressor so that I don’t have to have someone manning a compressor when 
blowing sponges through miles of duct.

 

Using Baofeng and Retevis VHF murs frequencies with DTMF control.

Not terribly happy with the range.  It is only reliable for 2-3 miles at most.  

Going to get some 5/8ths wave mag mount for the vehicle but not sure that is 
going to help all that much.

 

Could try UHF but I doubt it will be much better.  

 

Anyone know of a radio switch type of thing that works will cell phones?

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Like this?

 

https://www.amazon.com/Yosoo-110-240V-Wireless-Controller-Security/dp/B07GCMNYV9/ref=sr_1_11?keywords=gsm+remote+switch
 

 =1570046016=8-11

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 8:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Remote Control

 

I built a remote control to turn on the air flow from a 175 PSI 375 CFM 
compressor so that I don’t have to have someone manning a compressor when 
blowing sponges through miles of duct.

 

Using Baofeng and Retevis VHF murs frequencies with DTMF control.

Not terribly happy with the range.  It is only reliable for 2-3 miles at most.  

Going to get some 5/8ths wave mag mount for the vehicle but not sure that is 
going to help all that much.

 

Could try UHF but I doubt it will be much better.  

 

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[AFMUG] Replacement Telrad CPE9000 and 12000 POE

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Has anyone found a source of replacement POE's for Telrad CPE9000 and 12000.

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner time

[SmarterBroadband]

Hi Chuck

 

If you can, visit The Verdon Gorge and Moustiers-Sainte-Marie while you are on 
you way South.

 

We just discovered this area earlier this year.   Well worth a visit.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 9:30 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner time

 

No, visiting the grandkids then taking them  down South to Lascaux to see the 
caves.  Then on to Nice, Montecarlo, London, Cornwall, Amsterdam and back to 
Utah.

 

From: James Howard 

Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 5:31 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner time

 

 

Are you in France to see the Paris sites?

 

 

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown

Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 6:57 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner time

 

 

 

 

 

I didn’t find out.

 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:53 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
  mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote:

 

 

 

 



 

 

 

What is a French taco? Do I want to know?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 11:42 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective Frequency Coordination ???

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Liz at Intelpath.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 5:13 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective Frequency Coordination ???

 

I have 4 or 5 licensed backhaul  links to get coordinated .

 

Who is the best for getting this done cost effectively (cheap)?

 

Paul

 

Paul McCall, President 

Florida Broadband / PDMNet

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

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Hi Adam

I have over 100 new 450 Connectorized SM Uncapped.  Plus same number of MTI 23 
dBi panels.

Make me an offer if interested.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 8:04 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450SMs

Okay I haven't paid a lot of attention to PMP450 since I've been in a Telrad 
shop for a few years.  It looks like the old style SM was discontinued.

The Old SM + Reflector was said to have 25dbi of gain.

The replacement 450b "high gain" integrated dish is 22dbi.

Are you kidding me?  Cambium, why you takin' my db's away bro?



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Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

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These are 12Kw and look to be smaller than the Generac?

 

https://www.nationwidegenerators.com/briggs-stratton-40517-12kw-generator/

 

https://www.nationwidegenerators.com/kohler-12resv-120-240v-1ph-generator-with-oncue-generator-management-system/

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

 

Good points.

 

Still, need a small form factor due to the building owner being obtuse about 
having a Gen on the back sidewalk.

 

So I’ll just wire the rack and maybe the lights for now and test it out.

 

3kw real output should cover those.

 

Also, I don’t want to have to excessively re-run my gas line to the unit, so 
the smaller NG gen the better and hopefully use the existing line given I’m not 
going to power the heat unit from NG at the same time the gen is on.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 7:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator for office

 

If your HVAC is 240 then you have more HVAC load than that generator can pull 
on just that one load.  

 

40 amps x 240 Volts is 9600 Watts.  

 

7.5 kW generac will only deliver 31 amps at 240 VAC  And you really don’t want 
to load a generator up that much.  50% is a good derating factor.  Also,  
generators publish their power output at sea level.  

 

Knock off 3% for every 1000’ above sea level and 2% for every 10 degrees above 
70 degrees F

Rounding up, you are close to 5000’ so that is 15% lost for altitude and in the 
summer at 110 degrees that is another 8%.  

So you lose as much as 23% of capacity  on a hot summer day.  Worse if you 
power it from natural gas.  

 

I would add up all your loads, add 50% for growth then double that figure for 
not loading the generator too much and to account for derating.  

 

The installation is the expensive part.  Don’t scrimp on kW at this stage of 
the game.  Sounds to me like you need a 20 kW or more depending on your true 
HVAC loads.  

 

From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 6:04 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Generator for office

 

I need a smaller footprint generator for my 1300 sqr foot office.

 

Was thinking of getting the 50A 7.5KW Generac 6998 for $2050.00 that includes 
the 50A transfer switch.

 

I think my breakers has several 20A switches and 40A for the HVAC.

 

Not sure if this would cover the power needed for the whole unit, or just the 
fiber cabinet/rack I have that has max 20A circuit to it?

 

The next highest power draw is probably the HVAC and/or water heater.

 

The lights only draw about 500W since I switched them all to LED.

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] managed routers and parental controls

[SmarterBroadband]

I use Plume at home.   Did you make a deal with them to be a reseller?   Any 
info you can share would be appreciated.

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 10:08 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed routers and parental controls

 

We use Plume for stuff like this.  It is a managed service they buy from us on 
top of the internet and the customer gets a customized APP and we have a 
backend NOC and cloud support much like you would get with Calix.  I'd probably 
do it with Calix if it were 100% up to me but there are pros and cons to each.  

 

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Cambium has the new 3rd party integration. We have been looking into it and it 
will probably worth a poke.i can't remember what's it's called thou, it's in 
the release notes

 

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 11:01 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Generally I'm against Mikrotik as a managed router, specifically because you 
can't turn anything over to the customer.  Even fairly knowledgeable consumers 
won't know what to do with a Mikrotik, and they could do some dangerous stuff.  

With Cambium CnPilot (and probably most products made for this purpose) the 
customer can have a separate login with less rights and get a simple "Linksys" 
style webpage to do stuff like that.  The time based rules are usually built in 
feature.  I'm pretty damn sure they exist in the CnPilot, but I'm not in a 
position to check right now.

When the subject said "parental controls" I thought it was going to be blocking 
porno.  I'm 100% hands off on that for a lot of reasons.   I looked into it 
providing it as a service, but I just don't think there would be enough demand 
to make it viable.  Even if it was viable I'm not sure I'd want to take 
responsibility for it.

-Adam

 

 

On 1/28/2020 11:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Those of you who supply managed routers (especially if you do this for 
everybody), do you set up parental controls?

 

I had a request today from someone who wanted to turn off Internet at night to 
keep his 3 kids from using their devices.  I thought this was kind of silly 
since they are 21, 23 and 24 years old.  (Maybe like senators who have to put 
their devices in a cubby in the cloakroom.  OK, I just thought that, didn’t say 
it out loud.)

 

This guy has a leased Mikrotik from us, and Mikrotik does have a Kids control 
feature that could probably do this.  But I don’t want to get into this, 
especially because I fear constant requests to override or tweak the settings.  
I also don’t want to give customers management control over a router that we 
are supposed to be managing.

 

And in this case he wanted to do it across the board, but many people might 
want it set up by MAC address for each person in the family, so maybe the older 
kids would have later bedtimes and the parents wouldn’t have any restrictions.  
Or they might want the bandwidth restricted so the kids could do schoolwork but 
not stream video.

 

What do you guys do?  I’m going to guess Calix maybe has a cloud portal where 
the customer can do things like this on their own, while some settings are 
restricted to the carrier?  What about other cloud managed routers like the 
Cambium stuff?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Advice on spending

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We have one.   

Very happy we purchased it.   

Going to be great with CBRS eNodeB alignments and registration.   

We use on dish alignments and it works really well.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 8:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Advice on spending

 

I got approval from the boss to order a smart aligner. Ive been looking at this 
for a while, particularly with the need for accuracy in CBRS. Not looking to 
use it at customer sites, just backhauls and access points.

We have historically never been verifiably accurate on azimuths, probably 
rolled out pretty bad too. We have had issues with contractors not installing 
sites to spec, and having to go back up to turn radios/adjust tilt, etc.

 

This will be handy for this year, we are dropping in at least 40 new access 
points and 3 or 5 new licensed links in the next few months. but then the tool 
will sit

 

Boss said the worst thing to me, "get it if you think its necessary". If it 
were a $1k tool it wouldnt be a question bet we are looking at almost 7k on the 
kit. It meets my accuracy needs, but I almost wonder if the convenience 
outweighs the necessary. ant his is over half the cost of a licensed link.

 Knowing my numbers are right in propagation tools holds a lot of value. saving 
maybe an hour getting a tight link aligned here and there offsets some cost.

You old timers, is this a justifiable expenditure based on your experience?

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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz with no CBRS

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I hope so.   I will have 900 Telrad CPE7000 to sell……

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 4:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz with no CBRS

 

I would think so, CBRS is a USA thing… 

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
m: 


  

  

   

   

   

 

  

   



  www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 
Guaynabo, PR 00968

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Monday, February 10, 2020 at 10:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] 3GHz with no CBRS

 

Do any Countries currently have 3.6GHz authorized for LTE use, but 
without the CBRS requirement?

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Re: [AFMUG] 3.86 link

[SmarterBroadband]

Depending where you are a AF24HD could keep 300 meg at a few 9's.   No
licenses to get. 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 10:38 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.86 link

 

Any suggestions for 3.86 miles and not in the 5ghz frequency? Trying to get
300/300

 

Andy Trimmell

Business Manager

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

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[AFMUG] Licensed radios

[SmarterBroadband]

Hi

 

The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on one
dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent.

 

Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware).And do
any have non-adjacent channels?

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

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Hi Tushar

 

We have one.   Works well.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 3:41 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

 

Time has come for us to get a little more accuracy on our sector antennas.

 

Any input on the following product?

 

http://www.multiwavesensors.com/antenna-alignment/

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

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That is a thing of beauty….

 

Let us know the price when you find out….

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 10:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

 

Anyone look at this Hybrid fiber/DC from Eupen?
https://www.eupen.us/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=FIBER 
 
_Code=EUPEN 

 

I am afraid to call and ask them the price. 

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:54 AM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

  m...@savvitechnologies.com - they are 
actually built in China but we just pay shipping from his WH in SC.  Takes time 
though so we order in quantity.  

Our Purchase description looks like this.  "Genuine Corning or OFS EZBEND 4.8 
ruggedized black jumper SCAPC to SCUPC 100ft" - Change the description to what 
you want, i.e SCUPC to SCUPC XXXft.  

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:47 AM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

I'd recommend using SCA  cassettes and SCA-SCU OD patch cables. (or SCU 
cassettes and SCU-SCU cables)  I've got a source in SC that builds the patch 
cables out of 4.8MM OD cable - You can also source them from Corning etc.  Much 
easier to get an outdoor simplex patch cable in SC rather than LC.  We've 
standardized on SCA for our plant because we do a lot of GPON and that is the 
defacto standard.

 

If you are new to MPO/MPT, pay attention to male/female pins and to polarity.  
They will try to get you to do A on one end and B on the other because they 
don't understand that you want it for BiDi and want straight through.  Use A on 
both ends for straight through.  

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Got it.  Yeah, I meant to link to a SM cassette (not MM).  

 

Thanks, Mark & Jared.

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure you have 
the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering BiDi optics 
that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx on the other.   
You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.

 

Mark

On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com   wrote:

 

I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you linked 
to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have 
spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll be 
fine.

 

Jared

  

  

Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020
From: "Josh Baird" mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here.. 

 

Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex cassettes 
[2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi SFP's so that 
I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the correct BiDi SFP's, 
will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that are linked here?  I have 
always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no experience with BiDi.

 

[1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html 

[2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html

  

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is what I 
am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower. 

 

1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)

https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but available 
immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)

https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor version 
but takes 30 days to get here from Asia) 

 

2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette" 
(tower top this will be in an enclosure)

https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html  

 

3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top 
enclosure to each radio SFP

https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856 

 

4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of multi-conductor 
wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4 conductors. If wired 
properly you could individually power 3 radios and use a common ground wire and 
still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the ground. If I need 6 radios I 
will run a second cord. My towers are only 150' tall so I think 12 guage should 
be more than big enough for me even with Medusa AP's.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
  

 

I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top enclosure 
and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea 

[AFMUG] 5.9

[SmarterBroadband]

So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to
increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.

 

What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

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Just purchased some,  arrived yesterday, plan to install on a Licensed Link
install next week.

I will let you know how it goes.

Adam

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 7:58 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

Has anyone used the outdoor Ubiquiti FiberCable?

https://store.ui.com/collections/accessories/products/fibercable

Is there a way to make that fit in cable flange on PMP450m?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Matt  wrote:
>
> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[SmarterBroadband]

How many strands are in one cable?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 6:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

 

I've been using the Cabmium Fiber cables.  They're a little expensive, but
they have worked well.  Outdoor jacket comes right to the LC Connectors.
Been using them with UBNT Edgepoints and EPMP3000 AP's

N82L139ASM 30m
N82L140ASM 50m
N82L141ASM 80m
N82L142ASM 100m
N82L143ASM 150m

On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote:

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something
equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc
jacket or better for outdoor operation. 
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid cable
that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250' 
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated  
We also use Duracomms
https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-serie
s-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this. 
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those beast
need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 stranded
pairs up the tower for power. 
Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff. 




On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated
cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber
count, connector type and lengths you would want... 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?

 

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[AFMUG] Verizon WiFi Calling on Telrad LTE

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Customers with a Verizon cell phone using WiFi calling are unable to get
calls in or out on our Telrad LTE network. Anyone else come across this
problem? Ideas? Fix?

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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon WiFi Calling on Telrad LTE

[SmarterBroadband]

The calls started after we upgraded Wimax to LTE, so we suspect it is something 
in our LTE setup.

Someone suggested we try DMZ, we are giving that a try.

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon WiFi Calling on Telrad LTE

 

Double NAT VZW wifi calling is working for me pretty regularly.  It's had quite 
a lot of improvements over the last few years, but it's good enough that I can 
say it "works OK".  My primary complaint is that if I have 1x 1 bar and it 
thinks there is connectivity, it won't even bother with WiFi calling.  It'll 
just fail in attempting the mobile network.

 

Are 100% of your customers on Telrad having this problem and 0% errors 
elsewhere?  Are you certain it's limited to Telrad?

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 3:16 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

In my experience, Verizon WiFi calling gets broken from (1) Double NAT, and (2) 
fragmented packets.

 

bp

 

On 4/28/2020 11:53 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Customers with a Verizon cell phone using WiFi calling are unable to get calls 
in or out on our Telrad LTE network. Anyone else come across this problem? 
Ideas? Fix?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] billing

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I have two BMUs on the shelf if you need some……

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 5:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing

 

BMUs are gone, you can use mikrotik, but they wont give you a virtual bmu to 
make them useful, not sure why

they want you to use seasawsai or whatever

you can host it wherever, locally is better though

 

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 7:10 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Are BMUs still a thing?  Who makes the BMU hardware?

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 6:01 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] billing

 

I love to hate powercode. ITs been pretty functional, the new version cleaned 
up alot, broke alot. im not mad enough at them this week to be telling the boss 
we need to look elsewhere

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:59 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I will probably be launching a new network this calendar year.  So at some 
point I will once again have to try to choose the best billing platform.  

 

Leaking toward Sonar.  Have used Plat in the past.  Is Powercode still alive?

Opinions?

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[AFMUG] Saisei

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Anyone using Saisei?   Pros cons?

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Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

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I would love to give it a go.   But the pricing model of per site does not work 
for us.  We have to have many small sites because of hills and trees , over 90 
currently.   I can see if you had a few mega sites it could make sense.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

 

much much more than free

but much much less input and much much much more output

I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and applied it to 
our real world.

The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site generates 
zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled and other jobs werent 
done, so theres a net loss. that in itself probably scales to the price over 
the course of the customer we missed.

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] CNHeat

 

I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP 
stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no 
line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened 
to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually 
missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it) 

 

there was  a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term.

 

we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few 
months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited 
in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room 
for 450 cbrs stuff

 

your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a 
best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know 
youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot.

 

I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time 
id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And 
this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too

 

like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good 
as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here.

 

This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access 
points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that 
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Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

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Pay per successful install would be good.   Win-win.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 5:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

 

I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if you 
don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I can 
see the price being too high. But the other part where they help identify best 
locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more coverage is 
always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But they're hard to keep 
watered.

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

I would love to give it a go.   But the pricing model of per site does not work 
for us.  We have to have many small sites because of hills and trees , over 90 
currently.   I can see if you had a few mega sites it could make sense.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

 

much much more than free

but much much less input and much much much more output

I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and applied it to 
our real world.

The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site generates 
zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled and other jobs werent 
done, so theres a net loss. that in itself probably scales to the price over 
the course of the customer we missed.

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] CNHeat

 

I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this pasky WISP 
stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal game changer, we took a no 
line of site this morning to install. we would have walked away, btu happened 
to have the CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we actually 
missed it because walking the roof and the scan time didnt grab it) 

 

there was  a marginal spot we considered, this would have been bad long term.

 

we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to EPMp the last few 
months, this would have been a godsend, half of them will need to be revisited 
in spring when leaves come out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room 
for 450 cbrs stuff

 

your installer can walk out the door each morning with a picture and have a 
best location target, install survey times will be minimized and youll know 
youre well beyond first good spot, and on the probably best spot.

 

I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. If I had the time 
id go look at the last years NLOS and see where we missed revenue options. And 
this is just IDENTIFY the other two components are crazy perfect too

 

like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and its only as good 
as the data you put in, I think we are all familiar with that here.

 

This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I can do on my Access 
points because of marginal installs, and how much we have lost in NLOS that 
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Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Calling Broken

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We have.   Verizon.   We thought it was because we had upgraded our WiMAX to
LTE.   Maybe not then.

Adam

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Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 2:35 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi Calling Broken

Anybody else seeing this? Very recently-over the last several days to a
week, WiFi calling has gotten flaky, and now just won't connect. Absolutely
no network or firewall changes, Mikrotik CCR core routing. appears to be
both AT and VZW. iPhones, maybe Android too.

(Thought I'd post this properly as a new thread).

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Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

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We use the Dual Pol Yagis on APs to get a narrower beam.  Not 10 degrees but 
better than a 60 or 90 sector and smaller.   Also better gain to suck in a 
signal.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

 

Hi folks,

 

Thanks for the feedback, this was what we were looking for.   It looks like the 
TVWS is a non-starter, but we should take another  look at 900 MHz.   We are 
fortunate in that the areas are typically grouped very narrowly in one 
direction.  We figured we could cover the area with a 10 degree sector if we 
could find one that narrow.   We’ll see what we can find for 900 MHz equipment 
out there.

 

Thanks,

 

David Coudron

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:43 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

 

Oops, 26 MHz, not 28.  902-928.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:50 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

 

I keep hearing about Microsoft and its Airband initiative.  I have no idea why 
Microsoft thinks that TVWS has merit or what technology they bring to the 
party, but I guess you could investigate it.  I have to agree with the others, 
it was never very attractive, and gets less so as time passes and people want 
to do video streaming and Zoom meetings and download 100 GB games over the 
Internet, and as other technologies advance.

 

I would also ask, what if Starlink actually works, and is months away from 
general availability.  It may not be a threat to WISPs in general (or maybe it 
is), but it would seem to solve this particular problem.  And what if Starlink 
succeeds in getting RDOF or CAF subsidy money?  Wouldn’t you just be lighting 
hundred dollar bills on fire?

 

As far as 900 MHz, we stopped using it.  The reason wasn’t so much RTK (a lot 
of which is moving to 450 MHz anyway), but smartgrid and smartmeters.  If the 
power company or other utilities put in 900 MHz smartmeters, kiss 900 MHz 
goodbye for broadband.  The other problem was that it was always more art than 
science, sometimes it wouldn’t work and the reasons wouldn’t be clear.  It’s 
touch to plan or troubleshoot when, by definition, you don’t have clear line of 
sight.  There’s also the issue of other WISPs in 900 MHz, but it sounds like 
you wouldn’t have this issue.

 

But the Cambium 450 900 MHz stuff does work, and even though you only have 28 
MHz total to work with, you can use a wide enough channel to get decent speeds. 
 We still have one AP in service with a handful of customers on it.  I would 
steer clear of 900 MHz omni antennas though.  If you can’t justify sectors, 
just don’t do it.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:28 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

 

If they are in a cluster, this could possibly be a viable option.

 

bp


On 9/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

Get them to contribute to the cost of a tower in their area.  

 

From: David Coudron 

Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 7:52 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] TV White Space

 

We have a couple of areas in our network that remain problem coverage areas.   
The typical scenario is a handful of customers that are 5-10 miles from a 
decent tower structure, but really want service.   We have usually either 
passed on providing coverage, or messed around with relaying from other 
customers or some other messy scenario.   We are looking for a workable non-los 
solution for these few spots.   We don’t need to get dozens of folks on a 
tower, and a higher than normal cost is OK, but it needs to be stable enough it 
is better than the relays and other messy solutions we have come up with.   We 
keep looking at 900 MHz, but it looks like Cambium is the only one left in this 
game, and we are pretty worried about noise as we are in the middle of farm 
country and the RTK stuff is pretty prevalent.   Has anyone had enough 
experience with TV white space to develop an opinion on its ability to be used 
in this situation?   There only seems to be two vendors in this space, Redline 
and Carlson, but maybe there are others we are missing.   We are looking for a 
solution that would cover customers 5-7 miles in non-los situations with rate 
plans of 20-25 Mbps.   Is this possible?

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

[SmarterBroadband]

I had my Beatles Song Birthday last week.

☹

Adam

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 11:16 AM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?


A birdie told me that today is Jay Fuller's 50th birthday. The birdie is just a 
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

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Yep, we ordered end of June and they have just shipped.

 

I would like to but direct.   Sick of waiting months for M-TOW stuff.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Well it's not just WBMFG it's every other product line I'm after.  At least you 
offer free assistance - that is very generous!  I don't want to hear anyone 
blame COVID19 because it was a problem in 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, etc...


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a gap in 
production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit of safety stock would 
not cure.  

 

I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can stock it here 
and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be too tight for them to do 
that.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

*sigh* daily struggle


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash in inventory.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM

To: AFMUG 

Subject: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary 
distributor have some? 

 

Something wrong at the factory Chuck?


 

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Re: [AFMUG] Backup Solutions

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We use Veeam backing up to a Synology NAS.

I like the air gap idea using Tik ports... 

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 1:05 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Backup Solutions

Hearing more and more about all the ransom-ware attacks, what is the best
method these days to do pc/server backups.  Just backing up to a remote
storage disk isn't enough anymore, since as long as it's connectable from
the machine, it can get locked too.  I only have a couple Standalone ESXi
servers, and a handful of physical machines. 
Probably <10tb max across everything.  One of the cloud providers like
Backblaze would be the simplest, start the software and just let it run.  Is
there a local NAS that would do something similar without breaking the bank,
or taking hours to configure?  Just curios what the new 'best practice'
backup policy is.

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[AFMUG] Lithium lead acid replacement batteries

[SmarterBroadband]

Is anyone using Lithium replacements for lead acid it there UPS setups.
Our standard setup is 4 12v 100 amp hour external batteries on APC or Alpha
UPSs.   I read that some of the LiFePO4 12v Lithium batteries are drop in
replacements for lead acid.   Are all with built in BMUs considered drop in?

 

Any one doing this?   What make and model have you used.  Price?  Also
interested to hear if anyone has purchased though Alibaba?   Prices look
good, but are they too good to be true?

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Re: [AFMUG] POE-24iR-CI discontinued?

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We use these.   Just about to order more, unhappy to hear they have been
discontinued!!! 

 

So, yes what do people use with 450b High Gain..

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 1:18 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] POE-24iR-CI discontinued?

 

Anybody else use this part, either the Tycon or Laird version?  Has it been
discontinued?  If so, what are you using instead?

 

I guess I could use Cambium's N000900L001C, but the current indicator
feature has been very useful on trouble calls.  "Is the LED on the POE lit?
Is it green or yellow?"

 

I've never been sure how useful the surge protection is on the Tycon POEs.
You really don't want to open one up, they're a rats nest inside.

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Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility

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Radwin are supposed to have a new TVWS product in Beta testing.

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of D. Bernardi
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 11:01 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility


Howdy folks,

I'm looking into solutions to deliver Internet to very rural small pockets
of NLOS subscribers where fiber, copper or tower/structure deployments are
not practical or cost effective.  If I'm to believe vendor briefs, TVWS
technology seems to be making recent advancements.

Anyone have practical experience or advice on using TVWS?

Thanks in advance.
Dave B.


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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

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We are running the Navigators in 18Ghz with sub-carriers.   Restricted to 
512QAM  in current firmware.   We are getting just over 2Gbps.

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 8:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

 

Does anyone have any experience with the two of these (Aviat WTM4200 vs 
Navigator Dual)?  I'm having a hard time deciding.

 

-Jason

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