Re: [AFMUG] Check out our TV add

2014-10-11 Thread Dennis Burgess via Af
Sweet! Dennis Burgess, Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski via Af Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Check out our TV add Awesome Gino! People will certainly remember that

Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted

2014-10-11 Thread Daniel White via Af
Integra and Integra-S has 2x SFP +1 RJ-45 PoE. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of

Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted

2014-10-11 Thread Mike Hammett via Af
+1! ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:37:52 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets -

Re: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets- Feedback Wanted

2014-10-11 Thread Ken Hohhof via Af
Why does this thread make me think of Wallace and Gromit? From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re: Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets- Feedback Wanted +1! ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets- Feedback Wanted

2014-10-11 Thread Ty Featherling via Af
No idea. -Ty On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why does this thread make me think of Wallace and Gromit? *From:* Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:43 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [QUAR] Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4)

2014-10-11 Thread Chuck McCown via Af
There are at least a half dozen different materials used for O rings. You do not want to use silicon grease with silicon O rings. It will dissolve them. From: Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 8:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease

Re: [AFMUG] Local source for silicon grease (Corning 4)

2014-10-11 Thread Ken Hohhof via Af
WB, Trango, Exalt I believe all ship the little ketchup packets of DC111 with their dishes/radios. I take the hint that DC111 is the stuff to use. Not worth screwing up an expensive licensed link by using the wrong grease. DC111 is very stiff and will probably stay put in hot and cold. Or

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

2014-10-11 Thread Colin Stanners via Af
So, you get the complaints about slow speed / latency, but you don't have the means to upgrade the satellite or otherwise improve the service... sounds like you'd need to get paid a large amount of money to deal with that and the hit on your reputation. On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Mike

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

2014-10-11 Thread Colin Stanners via Af
But until that migration happens, your satellite customers are telling everything they know that your service is bad for gaming, low transfer caps, variable speeds etc. And first impressions last. How long will that reputation stick? How much money is it worth to you? On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

2014-10-11 Thread chuck--- via Af
I have had good success with Excede in the past. They just ran out of capacity. Believe me, for people with no other option, it is very popular and welcome. From: Colin Stanners via Af Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

2014-10-11 Thread Ken Hohhof via Af
I think people are saying you need to make this very clear upfront to the customer. I suspect you would also have to offer free installation if/when you convert them to wireless, so they don’t pay double installation. A worse approach is what Frontier does, they sell it as their own service in

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

2014-10-11 Thread Ken Hohhof via Af
When you say they ran out of capacity, you mean their old service/satellite WildBlue? Or the new Exede? If you mean the new one, they blew through the capacity pretty quick. Although given the usage limits, that might not be all bad. There was a major disconnect between ~25Mbps download

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

2014-10-11 Thread chuck--- via Af
The one that they were advertising at Wispapalloza last year. That one was almost full before they started. It was Exede. And all the customers got converted from WildBlue to Exede. But it then became full and no more customers could be added. I didn’t know there was new/fresh capacity.

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

2014-10-11 Thread Rory Conaway via Af
There should be no such thing as people with no other options J. We should be able to connect anyone. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of chuck--- via Af Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:14 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue

[AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question

2014-10-11 Thread Tyler Treat via Af
For all you guys that rock BBDGE at tower sites - Are you using shielded ends - Does the copper cladding fit up into the connector? Care to attach a picture of what you consider a proper connection?? The only time I've messed with this cable, it was a huge PITA to get the copper cladding up

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

2014-10-11 Thread Ken Hohhof via Af
OK, if price is no object. But in our area, we get people who purposely build a house surrounded on all 4 sides by old growth forest, down a 1 mile private lane, 2 miles from the nearest neighbor. If they are willing to build a 120 ft tower, or bury a mile of fiber down their lane and provide

Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question

2014-10-11 Thread Tyler Treat via Af
Did you pull off a ground in multiple places on the cable run, or just at the bottom? -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John via Af Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question Yes we

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

2014-10-11 Thread Jason McKemie via Af
Just brand it separately from your WISP. On Saturday, October 11, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This might bring in more revenue if you have no other option but will bring a bad name on WISP's customers will be much more happy if you build your network out word of mouth of

Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question

2014-10-11 Thread Keefe John via Af
We did 3 locations. Top of tower, bottom of tower, and inside the building just before the surge protector. I have seen others install these every 50'. Keefe On 10/11/2014 3:39 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote: Did you pull off a ground in multiple places on the cable run, or just at the

Re: [AFMUG] My Saturday morning

2014-10-11 Thread Glen Waldrop via Af
If I had to work on a Saturday, that would be my chosen location. That is gorgeous. - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza via Af To: Animal Farm Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 5:59 PM Subject: [AFMUG] My Saturday morning Site survey on Buck Mountain near Ski

[AFMUG] OT Movie Reviews

2014-10-11 Thread Chuck McCown via Af
Just saw Kill the Messenger. Enjoyed it. Yesterday saw Gone Girl. Really enjoyed it.

[AFMUG] Massive speed improvements with 13.2 Build 34 Beta

2014-10-11 Thread Ryan Ray via Af
Just ran an update to one of my 3.65 450 AP's and did an SM connected to it. SM is running at a -68.5 28 / 30 SNR and before the software update I would get about 23Mb/s down, 12 up. After the update... 43Mb/s down, 16Mb/s up. 80% downlink set on the AP. Thanks muchly Cambium. I'm a happy duck

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

2014-10-11 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
What he said... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. Date: Sat, Oct 11, 2014 5:50 PM Get the government to quit catering to lobbiest

Re: [AFMUG] Massive speed improvements with 13.2 Build 34 Beta

2014-10-11 Thread Mark Radabaugh via Af
I have been running it on a number of AP's for a while (well.. various builds anyway). One caution - get everything to 13.1.3, then upgrade the SM's followed by the AP's. CNUT will let you update the SM's from the AP without upgrading the AP first. I was having trouble getting a small

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

2014-10-11 Thread Rory Conaway via Af
+1. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 5:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. What he said... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply

Re: [AFMUG] Massive speed improvements with 13.2 Build 34 Beta

2014-10-11 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Yep, I've been auto-updating the SMs before the APs and haven't had any problems doing so. 13.2 is gon be som'n else. It has been awesome so far. On 10/11/2014 7:19 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: I have been running it on a number of AP's for a while (well.. various builds anyway). One

Re: [AFMUG] Massive speed improvements with 13.2 Build 34 Beta

2014-10-11 Thread Ryan Ray via Af
Thanks for the tip. This is only a 10 sm ap all on 13.1.3 and they all reconnected fine but I have some 80 sm 2.4 ap's where I will do sm's first. Sent while mobile On Oct 11, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have been running it on a number of AP's for a

Re: [AFMUG] My Saturday morning

2014-10-11 Thread That One Guy via Af
you poor bastard out of curiousity, why are all those trees laid over? On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If I had to work on a Saturday, that would be my chosen location. That is gorgeous. - Original Message - *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

2014-10-11 Thread Sterling Jacobson via Af
Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood and set up a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber. GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of conduit that it really didn’t make sense to just pull for GPON. Plus GPON restricts you

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

2014-10-11 Thread Tyler Treat via Af
What are you using to backhaul GIGe neighborhoods wirelessly?! ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 11, 2014, at

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

2014-10-11 Thread Sterling Jacobson via Af
Airfiber units. That's just to start, then we bring in the fiber end to end connection at 10Gig. The wireless stays on for backup. Technically we buy it from another service provider, so we have complete redundancy in case a fiber gets dug up. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

2014-10-11 Thread Sterling Jacobson via Af
Our ROI is 5 years. We fund per neighborhood and usually come out easily paying out the 5 years monthly on the loan plus plenty left over for operations. Our build costs to the home are skewed because we build at cost. It’s going to vary a lot by your market and circumstance. From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

2014-10-11 Thread Sterling Jacobson via Af
What are they telling you guys that are at the fiber weekend? I would be interested to hear what they are saying in terms of ONT/NID costs, fiber passed per household on single family homes costs etc. MDU are obviously less expensive. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ