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am...@plexicomm.net>* -- Original Message -- From: "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net <mailto:t...@ida.net>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 2/2/2016 12:22:36 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day At least Apple makes products... products that liter

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I don't believe that is the case. It only appears that way to the uninitiated observer. bp On 2/2/2016 10:23 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: If you take away their single "webpage", all the other pieces fall. Travis On 2/2/2016 10:28 AM, Bill Prince wrote: If that's

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...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/2/2016 1:51:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day I think you are correct Sam. Steve Jobs did make his contribution though, and he did it by being a bigger jerk than all the other bosses. He would tell his people, "You can do this better,"

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On 2/2/16 11:08, Sam Kirsch wrote: Sure; I didn't say his contribution was laughable! I said that to think we wouldn't have tablets today without the likes of Steve Jobs is an absolutely insane notion. Jobs did cancel the Newton which had been in development since the late 80's and

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If you take away their single "webpage", all the other pieces fall. Travis On 2/2/2016 10:28 AM, Bill Prince wrote: If that's what you think that Google is, you have a lot to learn. I listened to a discussion on the Nightly Business Report last night about this very topic. The general

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e -- From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 2/2/2016 12:28:15 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day The world's most popular site and you don't think the world would change? Really??? A

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e out though. To think that technology wouldn't have made that >>>> leap to full modern smartphones and tablets on its own without the likes of >>>> Steve Jobs is just laughable. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support Plexicom

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ry's started to appear a lot more, this >>>>> is all before the iPhone it may be just before or around when the iPod >>>>> first came out though. To think that technology wouldn't have made that >>>>> leap to full modern smartphones and tablets on its own without the likes >>>&g

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Definitely agree here. The Newton was one of the most innovative devices that Apple has made, it was just ahead of its time and therefore failed. IMO the Newton was more innovative than any of the i-devices. On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 2/2/16

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would, how about Flint Michigan? But perhaps that is just part of becoming profitable, you cherry pick. From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 12:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day If the search engine goes away, so does everything else they are involved in. None

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erhaps that is just part of becoming profitable, you cherry pick. *From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2016 12:22 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAD day If the search engine goes away, so does everything else

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, February 01, 2016 11:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day Nobody says "Let me Bing/Yahoo that". So yeah, Google is how you search the interwebs. But I agree on the other point. I do not trust any company that has (or can have) such huge control over information. Be

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. And driven by a “lead generator” to make it look local. > And advertising $19 but paying twice that to Google for the AdWords click. > SCAM, SCAM, SCAM. > > > *From:* George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> > *Sent:* Monday, February 01, 2016 11:44 PM > *To:* af@afmug.c

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legit, I can see their >>> building on Google Maps. Oh, not really there, created by Photoshop and >>> “crowdsourcing”. And driven by a “lead generator” to make it look local. >>> And advertising $19 but paying twice that to Google for the AdWords click. >>> S

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Google actually had developed the pre-android android before apple introduced the iphone. It's likely that Apple saw the skunk-works project as inspiration for the iphone. Likewise the apple GUI and mouse was developed at Xerox-PARC before Apple developed the Mac. The core of Mac-OSX is the

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ey > do, we > > should look for and use better search engines. So don’t use Google to > find > > a locksmith. Better choices like Yelp and Angies List come to mind, plus > > probably some I’m not thinking of at the moment. > > > > > > From: Josh

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I don't use Yelp for anything that I want to trust. I have seen too many examples of when their "results" are absolute fabrications. I can't speak to Angie's List, as I haven't used them much at all. Point is that most, if not all, of the online search lists, or catalogs or whatever are still

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>Google actually had developed the pre-android android before apple introduced >the iphone. It's likely that Apple saw the skunk-works project as inspiration >for the iphone. > >Likewise the apple GUI and mouse was developed at Xerox-PARC before Apple >developed the Mac. Together with

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as a calculator. *From:* Simon Westlake <mailto:simon@sonar.software> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2016 9:40 AM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAD day Yeah, I keep thinking people have forgotten what it was like. Go and google 'that quentin tarantino

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To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day Right now if I go to Bing, for example, and type in "what ISPs are in my $zipcode"... It's not using the location data correctly, for one. The first few pages are nothing but spam and clickbait. There isn't a single, actual provider one tha

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Thanks... I think. LOL I'm not a "wait in line" for an iPhone person. I use PC laptops and desktops. I do have an iPhone, and have had since the first one came out. I hate iTunes with a passion. I just have an irritation that a company that is literally just a webpage is now worth more than

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You're not considering data as a product. Anywho, much of this as moot as Google is now quite a few different companies. This year they are starting a massive expansion of "Google" Fiber. Analysts predict 15-20 million homes lit up withing 6-8 years. That's pretty significant. On Tue, Feb 2,

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Define real company. Apple makes iPhones but other companies make better things, like medicine, pipe for water, trucks for transporting food. Would you rather have an iPhone or food and water? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On

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Netflix? Or whatever entertainment company becomes the "goto" for entertainment. I mean, all the networks will have to eventually become one, i think. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [

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> “crowdsourcing”. And driven by a “lead generator” to make it look local. >> And advertising $19 but paying twice that to Google for the AdWords click. >> SCAM, SCAM, SCAM. >> >> >> *From:* George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> >> *Sent:* Monday, February 01, 2016

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ike Yelp and Angies List come to mind, plus > probably some I’m not thinking of at the moment. > > > From: Josh Reynolds > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 9:05 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day > > > You just described every large scale data source ever. >

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of not tracking you, and therefore giving everyone the same results. I will admit that I use Google a lot for things like conversions (like mm to inches) and even as a calculator. From: Simon Westlake Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 9:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day Yeah, I keep

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d in. So > I'm surprised Google doesn't show me movies about whatever Jaime had for > lunch yesterday. > > > -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 9:50 AM > > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day > > Right now if

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, plus probably some I’m not thinking of at the moment. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 9:05 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day You just described every large scale data source ever. Congratulations On Feb 2, 2016 8:41 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af

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t: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 9:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day Right now if I go to Bing, for example, and type in "what ISPs are in my $zipcode"... It's not using the location data correctly, for one. The first few pages are nothing but spam and clickbait. There is

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oh? - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day It doesn’t bother you that a search for high speed Internet in your town is useless because Google lets lead generators game their system so

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osh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/2/2016 12:28:15 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day The world's most popular site and you don't think the world would change? Really??? Apple is gone. People buy Blackberries and Android. Tablets probably won't exist. Mp3 players would prob

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at's what I'm interested in. So > I'm surprised Google doesn't show me movies about whatever Jaime had for > lunch yesterday. > > > -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 9:50 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day >

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Alibaba? Baidu? -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 11:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day Thanks... I think. LOL I'm not a "wait in line" for an iPhone person. I use PC laptops and desktops. I do have an iPhone, an

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;t...@ida.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 11:36:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day I would use Yahoo or Bing or any other search engine. Nothing would change if Google went away tomorrow. Blackberries and Android wouldn't even exist if Apple hadn't created the fir

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tps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ---------- > *From: *"Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, February 1, 2016 11:36:40 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SAD day > > I would use Yahoo or Bi

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: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 11:28:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day The world's most popular site and you don't think the world would change? Really??? Apple is gone. People buy Blackberries and Android. Tablet

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2016 6:56:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day The trouble with a valuation as high as Google, and to a lesser extent, Apple, is that there is a huge "hype" or inflationary affect on the stock price. A company like Exxon with real balance sheets representing real assets, a huge,

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Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 12:22:36 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day > At least Apple makes products... products that lite

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You don't remember BlackBerry was out before iPhone? I used my IBM laptop from college for a few years. Same story plus I could play Halo CE :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 2, 2016 12:36 AM, "Travis Johnson"

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Travis, you are such an Apple fan boy, I can't stand it. When Apple was the most valuable corporation, you proudly proclaim them to be "the biggest company on the planet". Well they weren't then, and they aren't now. Get over it. And now you poo poo that Google is the most valuable

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On 2/1/16 9:09 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: Google is making themselves the curator of access to the world's information and communications. When you consider the value of those, it's not just the most valuable company in matters of money. The founders had incredible foresight in addition to their

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At least Apple makes products... products that literally changed the computing world, the phone world, the retail world, created apps, and the music world. Google created a search engine (actually copying Yahoo, Webcrawler, Altavista and several others at the time). They aren't a "product".

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Absolutely. Do No Evil is complete bullshit. Believing otherwise is simply ignorant or naïve. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 2, 2016 12:27 AM, "Travis Johnson" wrote: > I totally disagree. I don't believe

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Nobody says "Let me Bing/Yahoo that". So yeah, Google is how you search the interwebs. But I agree on the other point. I do not trust any company that has (or can have) such huge control over information. Be it Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc... or the government. On 2/1/2016 11:36 PM, Travis

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Apple Ipad from FISPA but my girlfriend has pretty much made it hers. : / Good to see you post Travis :) - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day I would use Yahoo or Bing or any ot

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The world's most popular site and you don't think the world would change? Really??? Apple is gone. People buy Blackberries and Android. Tablets probably won't exist. Mp3 players would probably have come to fruition without them. What else do they have? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340

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I totally disagree. I don't believe having a single company "control" the flow of information like Google does is a good thing. They can now literally decide EXACTLY what information you see, when you see it, and how it relates to your emails, searches, location, and patterns. We don't allow

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marketish... : / - Original Message - From: CBB - Jay Fuller To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day I remember using metacrawler in college (1997-2000ish). It searched the other 7? 8? big "search engines" at the t

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- Original Message - From: CBB - Jay Fuller To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day Go2net became a corporation during 1998, registered with Nasdaq, with its primary asset being MetaCrawler.com. MetaCrawler.com and Go2net

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I'd much rather Google / Alphabet Inc. be in that position than Apple with their overpriced yet restricted / non-upgradable / crappy consumer electronics. Google is making themselves the curator of access to the world's information and communications. When you consider the value of those, it's

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http://www.ibtimes.com/alphabet-inc-goog-surpasses-apple-inc-aapl-become-worlds-most-valuable-public-company-2289113 "The world isn't run by weapons anymore, or energy, or money. It's run by little ones and zeroes, little bits of data. It's all just electrons." ~ Cosmo (Sneakers 1992)

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I would use Yahoo or Bing or any other search engine. Nothing would change if Google went away tomorrow. Blackberries and Android wouldn't even exist if Apple hadn't created the first iPhone. Same with tablets... look how many people tried tablets before Apple, and they all failed. I

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I wouldn't touch an apple product even through my first programming class was on an apple 2e in 4th grade. Closed architecture, closed everything. My wife and daughter both have iphones and they have problems all the time. Not enough memory and not expandable, problems with upgrades, slowness,