I'm trying to hook an ATA (Grandstream GXW4004) up to a Mitel PBX. The
Mitel is expecting a 'Loop Start' line. I've read through the Wikipedia
pages, and looked through the documentation. But I'm still confused.
How do you tell if an ATA is producing lines that are 'Loop Start' or
'Ground
Most lines are loop start. I have never seen an ATA that could do ground
start.
Ground start was used by some PBX systems. The PBX would put a ground on
the tip side of the line telling the central office to send dial tone.
If it works at all, it is working. You may have some RIP silence
I assume they usually dread it, but if I'm not beating the dead horse they're
ignoring, they're good questions.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tue, 17
No I agree. Plus pretty much every QA is full of terrible questions.
Interesting what they will commit to in public also.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
I assume they usually dread it, but if I'm not beating the dead horse they're
ignoring, they're good
This site is not ABAB. It's not even AB. It is merely A. One sector;
120° wide, with about 15 subs. About as low as you can go. The problem
is that most of the subs are near the outer edges of a 120° sector.
Dividing it into 2 sectors would be an option if we had (or expected)
more subs, but
There is always the business case to use another vendor with lower ROI.
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
j...@spitwspots.com
www.spitwspots.com
On 2/17/2015 3:50 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
This site is not ABAB. It's not even AB. It is merely A. One sector;
120° wide, with about 15 subs. About as low
hah, different mothers. US, Ireland, Slovakia, Australia, New Zealand.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:35:36 PM
Subject: Re:
This needs to sync with a full cluster of Canopy APs that is only 3
miles away.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 5:09 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
There is always the business case to use another vendor with lower ROI.
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
j...@spitwspots.com
www.spitwspots.com
I’m not sure that does anything if you don’t join Google+.
Wait, Google hasn’t killed that yet?
http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/24/google-is-walking-dead/
or this article
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/04/24/google_plus_vic_gundotra_leaves_but_is_it_really_walking_dead.html
which says
Hah :)
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
j...@spitwspots.com
www.spitwspots.com
On 2/17/2015 3:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
You don't look like brothers. Brother from another mother?
-Original Message- From: Caleb Knauer
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re:
Geez you agree with a guy occasionally and next thing you know folks
are making you out for kin. If that were the case then Steve would be
at least an in-law and Christmas would be much more entertaining.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
You don't look like
If you switch them to Cisco ATAs it should be ok from their perspective, at
least that is how it was with the vendor we were working with. Who is the
Contractor?
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower Consulting
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015
I've had problems with FAX detectors not seeing ringing from an ATA, and the
solution was a ring voltage booster t bring it up to 90V sinewave instead of
about 50V square wave like some cheap ATAs put out.
In your case, maybe Mitel is being fussy about how much loop current it can
draw when
Ah, that makes sense, we have a few sites where I wouldn't mind replacung
omnis with a 180 degree sector...
The Arc wireless adjustable sectors seem to have a pretty wide pattern...
they might be worth looking at. In mu experience they leak a lot out the
backside, but that might not matter in
It was a question for the Brothers WISP.
-Original Message-
From: Caleb Knauer
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Brothers WISP Live at WISPAmerica 2015
Geez you agree with a guy occasionally and next thing you know folks
are making you
I'm signing up just for this!
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
wrote:
For every vendor who's had Mike asking, um, rather pointed questions
during their own webinars, here's your chance for revenge ;-)
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Mike Hammett
I know this has come up a few times (possibly by me), but does this setup seem
reasonable for attaching antennas to the center access hatch of a pedisphere
water tower? (Yes, yes, I know consult a structural engineer.)
One of these around the hatch:
Hey! (waves)
Fun fact: You can gauge a presenter's experience within the industry by the
amount of enthusiasm with which their read your name and question. It adds
some excitement to a usually dreadful QA.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Hey, hey, hey
You don't look like brothers. Brother from another mother?
-Original Message-
From: Caleb Knauer
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Brothers WISP Live at WISPAmerica 2015
No I agree. Plus pretty much every QA is full of terrible
What if there was a Lite AP?
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz
This site is not ABAB. It's not even AB. It is merely A. One sector; 120° wide,
with about 15 subs. About as low as you can go. The
I was hoping so!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 17, 2015 10:53 PM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com wrote:
I'm signing up just for this!
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
wrote:
For every
What kind of throughput are you seeing? impressive?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:
yes
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re:
We just did some optimization of our 3 Mimosa links and latency is about 18ms
over 3 hops with a 50/50 setting on the traffic split so basically 6ms per hop.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 2:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject:
yes
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango Altum AC PTP test results
are those links running with gps sync?
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH
As you may or may not know, California has been in a serious drought for
the last 3 years. Interestingly, we got about 30 of rain where I live
in just December. Didn't make much a dent in the drought, but it did
turn a lot of dust into mud that flowed into culverts that had not seen
action in
We can’t feed the radios at their maximum capacity. I’ve seen screenshots of
guys running 850Mbps. I can run radio to radio tests at 750+Mbps with 80MHz
wide channels but I just turned them down to 40MHz wide channels which limit me
to about 370Mbps. I’m still playing with them but we are
are those links running with gps sync?
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:
We just did some optimization of our 3
I would have to check the MIB for the basestation, that was not something I
ever tried to graph. The CPE was generic Gemtek and Greenpacket stuff, so no,
very little remote monitoring capability.
I dread every time I have to log into the Purewave GUI and do anything, it is
so cumbersome. I
Looking at the datasheet, the 1000 is the only version I would call “compact”.
Compared to the PW basestation we have, it is a much nicer physical design the
way the BS and antenna mount and cable up. Still the guy in the installation
video must be as strong as an ox to hold it with one hand
Did they promise you it's going to get better?
Buying Wimax feels like buying a Chevy Cobalt for the price of a
Corvette, based on the promise that they're delivering the Corvette next
year.
Moto never delivered the Corvette. Alvarion/Telrad still says the
Corvette is coming.
I would
I was all about the Telrad koolaid until I sat in on a webinar and saw the
plethora of smoke and mirrors. Im concerned when a company has a product
with attached promises of greatness based on standards based technology
that hasnt yet been tested on their own hardware and the promises have the
+1
So far the Telrad stuff looks mostly like PowerPointWare.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 8:30 AM, That One Guy wrote:
I was all about the Telrad koolaid until I sat in on a webinar and saw
the plethora of smoke and mirrors. Im concerned when a company has a
product with
Also spectrum reuse. With the narrow beam and O2 absorption, you can have a
lot of 60 GHz links in an area, all using the same frequencies. But that
argument is lost on the WiFi folks. And apparently the FCC folks, who are
enamored with shared use but not so much with only pointing your RF
I guess i needed to define better
but the gist is of the usable spectrum probably less than 500gbps?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
What about Li-Fi?
(it has to work, it’s from a TED talk)
*From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, February
At a distance of 10 miles during a rain storm?
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 6:37 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
So the 31ghz and 38ghz links I installed many years ago never passed data and
phone calls? I knew I was
What about Li-Fi?
(it has to work, it’s from a TED talk)
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 8:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
At a distance of 10 miles during a rain storm?
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015
If you figure it out, let me know. It's one of my biggest pet peeves
about the 320.
I'm sad to report that none of the Telrad CPE to seem to have it
either.so maybe a Gemtek chipset limitation?
Is there an OID to gather Ethernet errors from the 320SMs in either
bridge and/or NAT mode?
Did any of your Purewave stuff give you ethernet error counters?
So much for 4G stuff being �carrier class�. Or maybe in that world,
CPE is customer-owned-equipment and not the responsibility of the
network operator to monitor.
*From:* Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
*Sent:*
Is there an OID to gather Ethernet errors from the 320SMs in either bridge
and/or NAT mode?
Paul
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
Nope. All under 3 miles in El Paso and Cd. Juarezwe have no rain ...we
are the Step child of Texas
Why would we get rain!
Jaime Solorza
On Feb 17, 2015 7:24 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
At a distance of 10 miles during a rain storm?
*From:* Jaime Solorza
Well it still needs a few constraints
At a range of 3 feet I bet we can do better than 12 bits/hz and use 100ghz.
I guess i needed to define better
but the gist is of the usable spectrum probably less than 500gbps?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
So much for 4G stuff being “carrier class”. Or maybe in that world, CPE is
customer-owned-equipment and not the responsibility of the network operator to
monitor.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320SMs Gathering ethernet
Bill's issue is that it has a finite rolloff. Some would say that's an
advantage and shows good quality. It's not to his liking for whatever
application, though.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:05 PM,
With the “just as mediocre as ever” caveat, no spanking required. Your
description is pretty accurate. It doesn’t knock your socks off at –60, but it
still works at –84, it may actually be unhappy if the signal is too hot.
I had this discussion with an installer last week as he was testing a
I think that’s just for one basestation, right? So imagine 3 of them at a site.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320SMs Gathering ethernet Error stats
Wow. 90 watts? Gulp. Even 85 would be hard to swallow. I blanch with AF24 at
And I'm used to running a whole POP with less than 50 watts.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 10:31 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I think that’s just for one basestation, right? So imagine 3 of them
at a site.
*From:* Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 17,
What I'm looking for is a 120° sector that drops off no more than 3db at
the edges. The 6 db bull that seems to be common these days is not what
I'm looking for.
Also want good F/B ratio, good cross-pol performance, and tiny side
lobes. In perfect world, it would drop off 30db at 121°.
I
Of course the FCC cares! They just implemented those totally realistic OOBE
limits on 5ghz! /sarcasm
-Ty
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Also spectrum reuse. With the narrow beam and O2 absorption, you can
have a lot of 60 GHz links in an area, all using
it's feast or famine. We have a couple of POPs where we need 30°
sectors, but on small POPs, the 120° would be ideal, because there will
only be one, or maybe two.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 11:08 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
I wish I could help. We actually put way more sectors
I'm assuming LTE does not address the interference sensitivity of wimax,
since it was also designed for use in licensed bands? I was amazed at how
easily the 320 I had deployed fell flat on its face due to light
interference - not very helpful for my confidence in the technology.
On Tuesday,
Agreed on wimaxit's amazing how bad it can be in interference
scenarios that I *know* would work fine with Canopy.
Now Ken is going to spank me when I say this, but it does work pretty
good NLOS compared to Canopy (sans interference). When you have that
-84 through a wad of trees with
Alright, I'm feeling guilty about all the negativity. I'm still
learning the product, and our deployment here is not optimal due to self
interference from our legacy 3.65 equipmentwhich was also not
deployed optimally. We have mismatched firmware on the CPE, not all the
base stations are
No one?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Has anyone found a decent TRUE 120° dual-polarity sector in 5 GHz?
We're using a KP on one of our POPs and the drop-off at the edge of
the 120° is just too much for our taste.
Good drop off is a good thing IMO.
If you want less drop off probably go with an original Airmax sector.
Those things bleed for days and the f/b isn't very good. We installed half
a dozen people 180* off one of them.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite
Has anyone found a decent TRUE 120° dual-polarity sector in 5 GHz? We're
using a KP on one of our POPs and the drop-off at the edge of the 120°
is just too much for our taste.
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
I wish I could help. We actually put way more sectors out than that at
most sites. Smaller sites we just put out a 6 way cluster on a pole and
rotate it until we get the nulls where we want them.
We're very interested in testing the rf elements horns for micropops though.
Josh Reynolds
CIO,
If I recall correctly, the 1000 was the only choice that made any
sense. Though I haven't looked lately and I can't remember why.
The power consumption is a bitch. When you're used to 7 watt PMP100,
which would run all day on a stack of little alarm panel batteries,
going to 90 watts is a
Wow. 90 watts? Gulp. Even 85 would be hard to swallow. I blanch with
AF24 at 50 watts.
Takes a lot of infrastructure to run that kind of stuff on a solar site.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 10:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
If I recall correctly, the 1000 was the only choice that
The new 120 is the old 90search for something advertised as wider
than 120 I guess?
What I'm looking for is a 120° sector that drops off no more than 3db
at the edges. The 6 db bull that seems to be common these days is not
what I'm looking for.
Also want good F/B ratio, good cross-pol
He should probably get an omni then.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz
Bill's issue is that it has a finite rolloff. Some would say that's an
advantage and shows good quality. It's not to his
I thought the KP sectors were suppose to be -3db at 120... I think almost
everything is rated at -6db now.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
The new 120 is the old 90search for something advertised as wider
than 120 I guess?
What I'm looking for is
I think asking for 3 dB down at 120 degrees in dual pol with matching patterns,
good F/B and good sidelobes is not going to happen. I’d plan on ABAB and look
for a 90 degree sector.
H, the published patterns for the KPP “Gen III” are kind of ugly, aren’t
they? Plus the HPOL and VPOL
Hopefully I've done this right.
https://plus.google.com/events/cnuv9joknr1qjcc31eu6jekf5gg
Go to this page to post questions to us beforehand. When you go there, click on
the QA button in the upper right corner of where the video would be. In the
upper right of that window, click the button
"Some will say?"
Tell that to all of the highly successful ISPs (most of whom are
not stereotypical WISPs, but are 95% fiber and 5% microwave) using
60 GHz for 500 to 700 meter distances, places where it could cost
$130,000 for a fiber build.
For every vendor who's had Mike asking, um, rather pointed questions during
their own webinars, here's your chance for revenge ;-)
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Hopefully I've done this right.
https://plus.google.com/events/cnuv9joknr1qjcc31eu6jekf5gg
Muwahaha! Live and on the air hopefully!
Make it like a Where's Waldo game. Find where they are based on
context clues and then you can throw rotten tomatoes and ... sector
panels at them! ;)
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
j...@spitwspots.com
www.spitwspots.com
On 2/17/2015 1:24 PM, Caleb
Hey, hey, hey
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 4:24:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Brothers WISP Live at WISPAmerica
I have recently deployed 2 cambium ptp450 3.65 units with no issues. One
is at 12mile hop
and the other is at 9mile hop. Getting 8x/8x 60Mbs/60Mbs 3-5ms
On 2/16/2015 10:40 PM, John Woodfield wrote:
Its getting increasingly harder to find clean 5ghz frequency to
utilize. Is it worth the
XM and XW work fine together. XM and legacy radios, that’s a slightly
different story with older rockets. I have them running but I still haven’t
exactly figured out what happened.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 8:49
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