[AFMUG] UBNT Outdoor Fiber Cable

2017-02-08 Thread Nate Burke
I just saw the FC-SM series of cables. Has anyone used it yet? Looks to be pre-terminated 6 strand in 100,200,300 foot lengths. What's it's quality like? The datasheet is light on details, like bend radius. Also, the picture looks like they just stripped back the outside jacket and didn't

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
Big isn’t necessarily the same as profitable. And big companies like Amazon and Google have had their share of hobby projects that don’t necessarily make money (cough, cough, Google Fiber). Is Tesla profitable? Batteries and solar are probably his version of AWS. I wonder if “The Boring

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-08 Thread Tyler Treat
Everybody has this notion that AWS is cheap. It's not cheap - It's rapidly scalable. Up or Down. So it can be cheap at times of low usage. If you're in the business of having your own datacenter, there's room there to cut some of your costs, but I think a lot of it just shuffles around. It

[AFMUG] need to sale PwrV3 router

2017-02-08 Thread Dave
Ok, As I am waiting on my PowerV4 and 10g gear to come in. I would like to hand off a good PwrV3 with 2 8port Sfp module banks. Hit me off list with an offer .. thanks Dave --

Re: [AFMUG] Commisioner Pai is pulling a Trump

2017-02-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
Not disagreeing with you, but the media reports have been maybe a little overblown about this story. https://medium.com/@AjitPaiFCC/setting-the-record-straight-on-the-digital-divide-615a9da1f2d1#.x5a601s3i From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

2017-02-08 Thread Brett A Mansfield
Hi Jason, You can create a cluster without external storage, but because it is syncronys replication it will double your write hit. But if you have a solid network and solid drives you'll barely notice if at all. For backups I recommend you use separate storage. Otherwise your risking losing

Re: [AFMUG] Commisioner Pai is pulling a Trump

2017-02-08 Thread Dave
I Believe that sound makes a resounding pop when said head is pulled from said orifice :) On 02/08/2017 07:03 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: Finally someone pulls thier head out of thier ass. That program is ridiculous and the abuse well documented. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017, 1:55 AM Rory Conaway

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

2017-02-08 Thread Jason McKemie
How would you use something like gluster on the nodes? Just put it in its own container / VM? On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Zach Underwood wrote: > Yes you can use local disk but then you are unable to live move a VM. If > you use the local disk with something like

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

2017-02-08 Thread Jason McKemie
Thanks! On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Zach Underwood wrote: > No it would run in the host proxmox OS. You can also mix hosts with and > without local disk using gluster. > > Here are some details > https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Storage:_GlusterFS >

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

2017-02-08 Thread Adam Moffett
You can add a local path as a storage device. If I recall correctly though, you add a storage device to the cluster not to the node, so each node will add that same path a storage device. So you can't mount a local hard drive and add it as "storage" in a proxmox cluster, unless that same

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

2017-02-08 Thread Jason McKemie
Thanks for the input guys! On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > Answers inline below:- > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

2017-02-08 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Answers inline below:- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jason McKemie" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday,

[AFMUG] Proxmox

2017-02-08 Thread Jason McKemie
To those of you out there using Proxmox, I have a couple questions. I started messing around with this a year or so ago, but have really just started to use it in a production environment. The main thing I'm wondering about is if it is necessary to have a separate storage server in place to

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

2017-02-08 Thread Zach Underwood
Yes you can use local disk but then you are unable to live move a VM. If you use the local disk with something like gluster then you can line move VMs. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > To those of you out there using Proxmox, I have a

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

2017-02-08 Thread Zach Underwood
No it would run in the host proxmox OS. You can also mix hosts with and without local disk using gluster. Here are some details https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Storage:_GlusterFS http://blog.ivanilves.com/2014/proxmox-ve-3-3-2-node-cluster-with-glusterfs/ On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

2017-02-08 Thread Jason McKemie
Yeah, I definitely would store a backup on separate storage, I just can't seem to find a way to store it locally so that I can then go and copy it to the separate storage. Ultimately I know I will want to have storage in place to auto-backup to, I just was hoping for a manual hold-over in the

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

2017-02-08 Thread Josh Reynolds
A simple script to SCP the file over, log in, and run the save operation would suffice. On Feb 8, 2017 1:10 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" wrote: > ive been dicking around with this, im able to get the firmware to load, > but its maintaining configuration, I thought this

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-08 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
There are numerous things which at utility-scale become more feasible when storing energy. Flow batteries are a good example. Another is storage of energy via various methods of potential energy such as pumping water to a reservoir. Or cracking hydrogen from water and then burning it when you

[AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

2017-02-08 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
ive been dicking around with this, im able to get the firmware to load, but its maintaining configuration, I thought this was supposed to wipe the config as well we do disable the reset button, could that be what causes this to load but not default? also, is there a way to tftp a default config

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

2017-02-08 Thread Mathew Howard
If you're not ending up with default config, I'm pretty sure the recovery isn't working properly... having the reset button disabled doesn't affect that. It's pretty simple to write a script to load a config file on linux, but I'm not sure what the easiest way to do it on Windows would be. Can

[AFMUG] Jirous vs Shenglu high performance 11 GHz antenna for AF11X

2017-02-08 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Have seen people on another photo posting photos of a high performance Shenglu 11 GHz antenna used with the AF11X. Has anyone had a chance to evaluate the Jirous vs. Shenglu antenna side by side (at the same diameter) with the AF11X?

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

2017-02-08 Thread Josh Reynolds
Winscp. pscp is a putty "package" though. On Feb 8, 2017 2:10 PM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > If you're not ending up with default config, I'm pretty sure the recovery > isn't working properly... having the reset button disabled doesn't affect > that. > > It's pretty simple

Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

2017-02-08 Thread Daniel White
Brian Young from ConVergence will be there. Daniel White Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

2017-02-08 Thread Josh Reynolds
If tftp recovery is successful, it completely rewrites the flash which of course puts the default firmware config on it afterwards. On Feb 8, 2017 1:10 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" wrote: > ive been dicking around with this, im able to get the firmware to load, > but

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

2017-02-08 Thread Mathew Howard
Using Windows is too complicated for me... but here are the relevant commands from my script: scp yourconfig.cfg ubnt@192.168.1.20:/tmp/system.cfg ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 save ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 reboot On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > Winscp.

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

2017-02-08 Thread Mathew Howard
Not that I know of... I think you can have cnMaestro apply a template when you onboard devices, but I haven't gotten around to figuring out how all that works yet. If I understand it right, it should be possible to get everything setup so you just have to plug the radios in and wait while

Re: [AFMUG] Sonos and edgerouter

2017-02-08 Thread Josh Luthman
Replace the EdgeRouter with anything else? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Timothy Steele wrote: > Anyone know how to get Sonos to work with edgeOS edgerouter? > > Thanks,

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

2017-02-08 Thread Mathew Howard
Actually the text config file does save the passwords now. I just tried loading a config through the cli, and it does appear to have applied everything properly. I had no idea you could do this... thanks, Josh! On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

2017-02-08 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
man this is so much faster than web interface loading, I almost wish we were still growing the ubnt network now is there a similar method for epmp? On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > Using Windows is too complicated for me... > > but here are the

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

2017-02-08 Thread Josh Luthman
You can wget a config with the epmp cli, however, you can't do any binary stuff - like the login =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > Not that I know of...

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-08 Thread Robert Andrews
At least here in NV, it's only a 9/10ths offset and the offset is calculated month to month and settled at the end of the year. On 02/08/2017 12:00 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There are numerous things which at utility-scale become more feasible when storing energy. Flow

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
As we move toward more plug-in electric vehicles, the idea seems to be they will charge at your house in the middle of the night. But assuming we also move toward more wind and solar energy, the middle of the night is not a good time (no sun, no wind). So should we instead be thinking about

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-08 Thread Robert Andrews
Powerwall On 02/08/2017 02:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: As we move toward more plug-in electric vehicles, the idea seems to be they will charge at your house in the middle of the night. But assuming we also move toward more wind and solar energy, the middle of the night is not a good time (no

[AFMUG] Sonos and edgerouter

2017-02-08 Thread Timothy Steele
Anyone know how to get Sonos to work with edgeOS edgerouter? Thanks,

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-08 Thread Chuck McCown
I get 100% credit for the energy I produce. I have an $8.50 minimum bill. But if I am a net producer, the account gets zeroed out each March. I will not lose much as my array is sized just about right. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 3:13

[AFMUG] Knoxville TN tower source

2017-02-08 Thread Timothy Steele
Anyone have a good source for buying towers near Knoxville TN? Thanks,

Re: [AFMUG] Sonos and edgerouter

2017-02-08 Thread Josh Reynolds
Alternatively, you could fucking learn some skills. :) - Sonos is not very network aware, and really doesn't understand the concept of routing packets at all. It uses udp broadcast floods to discover. This means you will want your Sonos devices and controller on the same layer2 network, aka

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

2017-02-08 Thread George Skorup
Well, what I did was upgraded a defaulted radio to 3.2.2, configured it, exported the text config, then factory defaulted it and tried to import that backup text config file and it fails with the hash errors. Haven't looked into it further. On 2/8/2017 5:53 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: I started

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

2017-02-08 Thread George Skorup
I just get invalid password hash errors when trying to import a 3.2.2 config file. On 2/8/2017 4:27 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Actually the text config file does save the passwords now. I just tried loading a config through the cli, and it does appear to have applied everything properly.

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

2017-02-08 Thread Mathew Howard
I started getting password hash errors on, 3.2 or 3.2.1 using the .bin config file that I had been using forever, so I made a new .json config file with 3.2.1 and it's been working fine on 3.2.1 and 3.2.2. There must've been some password changes somewhere around 3.2 On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 5:20

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-08 Thread Gino Villarini
Too late for FB now… that was a 2012/2013 investment , similar with UBNT, bought both cheap SNAP is not stupid imho, they are going to be a camera company.. Not a messaging co Crossing my fingers on twtr… im loosing on that one From: Af > on

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-08 Thread Tyson Burris
UBNT earnings tomorrow. Looks salty but I want to hear guidance. Snap is a stupid IPO. Shove money into Facebook or wait until twitter earnings tomorrow and see if the changes earn money. GoPro is getting real interesting despite all the problems they have had. I am watching NVDA, AMD, X, COP

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

2017-02-08 Thread Mike Hammett
http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/610/img/photos/2017/02/08/94/08/sex-offender-sought.jpg I've seen this too, doesn't mean I'd recommend anyone do it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

2017-02-08 Thread Lewis Bergman
At 15 miles and 11G 500Mbs is unlikely. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017, 7:58 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > Even with 6' dishes, availability would have to be pretty poor... unless > it's in a desert. > > 11ghz should be possible, but yeah, probably going to want at least 4' > dishes. Id

[AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

2017-02-08 Thread Rory Conaway
Apparently Extreme Networking is getting out of the IDS/IPS business. Does anyone have any suggestions who might have similar products they could recommend? Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO 4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040 602-426-0542

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-08 Thread Tyson Burris
Just short them when they get salty. Ride it up or ride it down or both  Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net VIA WIRELESS On Feb 8, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Gino Villarini

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

2017-02-08 Thread Jeremy
Yes, it is possible. I'd go 11GHz at that range. I'd go with 56MHz, but 40MHz would probably do 500Mbps. I'd go with 4' dishes at that distance. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Brett A Mansfield < li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I've never yet done a licensed link and there is

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

2017-02-08 Thread Mike Hammett
Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without huge dishes. Play with Mimosa's designer, Cambium's LinkPlanner, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Brett A

[AFMUG] Y-lanyard preferences

2017-02-08 Thread Jay Weekley
We need to order 2 or 3 y lanyards for climbing and I'm looking for brand and model suggestions. Better get some positioning lanyards as well.

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

2017-02-08 Thread Jeremy
I have seen an 18GHz link that far with 6' dishes. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without huge > dishes. > > Play with Mimosa's designer, Cambium's LinkPlanner, etc. > > > > - > Mike

Re: [AFMUG] Y-lanyard preferences

2017-02-08 Thread Bill Prince
I'm a big fan of shock-absorbing twin-legged lanyards. Be advised that the shock absorbers are good for one "shock". Many good choices in the $100-$150 range. http://www.midwestunlimited.com/categories/Fall-Protection/Lanyards/Twin-Leg-Lanyards/ bp On

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

2017-02-08 Thread Jeremy
I ran a path calc on my 19 mile link and was able to get 99.999% with 6GHz Trango and 4' dishes. I have a 6GHz Trango LYNX right now that does 750Mbps. I know for a fact you can do it with that, and you could go with the Orion or whatever and get 1Gbps. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Lewis

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

2017-02-08 Thread Mike Hammett
I have a ~14 mile path now that even with 6' dishes, 11 GHz simply won't do. 99.999% at only a 228 megabit modulation with a PTP820c. I could get 500 with both polarities and the 820s. That's a lotta spend for 500 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

2017-02-08 Thread Mike Hammett
If the thoughput isn't there at 99.999%, it's not worth having. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mathew Howard" To: "af" Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

2017-02-08 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
for tftp on windows... download Klever Group / Pumpkin tftp (google it.. .open source)... Very handy... :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From:

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

2017-02-08 Thread Jesse DuPont
Dell SecureWorks. Jesse DuPont Network Architect email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net Celerity Networks LLC

[AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

2017-02-08 Thread Brett A Mansfield
Hi, I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps at about 15 miles. Is that possible with either of these? What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what channel size do I need to

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

2017-02-08 Thread Mathew Howard
Even with 6' dishes, availability would have to be pretty poor... unless it's in a desert. 11ghz should be possible, but yeah, probably going to want at least 4' dishes. Id you want cheap, either a B11 or AF-11FX link should be able to hit that kind of speeds. On Feb 8, 2017 7:51 PM, "Jeremy"

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

2017-02-08 Thread Mathew Howard
Well, he didn't say he needed 500Mbps at 99.999%... On Feb 8, 2017 8:03 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > I have a ~14 mile path now that even with 6' dishes, 11 GHz simply won't > do. 99.999% at only a 228 megabit modulation with a PTP820c. I could get > 500 with both polarities

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

2017-02-08 Thread Jaime Solorza
200mbp at 26 miles with 8 ft dish on one end and 3 ft on other.. I didn't designed, just fixed mounting and aligned it. But it works On Feb 8, 2017 6:42 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without huge > dishes. > > Play

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

2017-02-08 Thread Trey Scarborough
I have a 18ghz 15mile link with no issues. and 4' dishes. It was the only thing I could get 80mhz channels in. shouldn't be a problem with 11ghz at all just depends on the equipment used. It also depends on your definition of huge... For some its 3" for others it is 8'. completely acceptable

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

2017-02-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
At 15 miles in 11 GHz I get 40+ dB rain fade. Only acceptable with 5 or 6 GHz backup. I wouldn't even think about trying 18 GHz at that distance. And this is northern Illinois, not a rain forest. Oh, and you can deny climate change all you want, but in many places the rain models are

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

2017-02-08 Thread Rory Conaway
This looks like managed services, not hardware/software. Am I missing something? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems Dell SecureWorks. Jesse

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

2017-02-08 Thread Jesse DuPont
I think it is a managed service, but it does involve hardware appliances they provide. May not be what you're after... Jesse DuPont Network

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

2017-02-08 Thread Tyler Treat
I'm quite happy with our TippingPoint system now that they're out from under the burden of HP. Trend Micro has been very responsive since the acquisition. From: Af on behalf of Jordan Gregory Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

2017-02-08 Thread Josh Reynolds
Suricata > Snort On Feb 8, 2017 10:27 PM, "Jordan Gregory" wrote: > Call me a glutton for punishment, but I've always been a Cisco IPS/IDS guy > although Snort is really starting to grow in me these days. > > On Feb 8, 2017 10:06 PM, "Jesse DuPont"

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

2017-02-08 Thread Jordan Gregory
Call me a glutton for punishment, but I've always been a Cisco IPS/IDS guy although Snort is really starting to grow in me these days. On Feb 8, 2017 10:06 PM, "Jesse DuPont" wrote: > I think it is a managed service, but it does involve hardware appliances > they

Re: [AFMUG] Y-lanyard preferences

2017-02-08 Thread Josh Reynolds
Peztl Grillion for positioning. On Feb 8, 2017 7:48 PM, "Jay Weekley" wrote: > We need to order 2 or 3 y lanyards for climbing and I'm looking for brand > and model suggestions. Better get some positioning lanyards as well. >

[AFMUG] WISP head end laws for TN?

2017-02-08 Thread Timothy Steele
So the west side of Knoxville has no internet and it's full of multi million dollar houses that are already clients begging for service so I'm getting dragged back into the wisp world.. I really just need to know the head end laws for taxes, did I hear wisps have to register as a clec now?. And

Re: [AFMUG] WISP head end laws for TN?

2017-02-08 Thread Jason McKemie
You don't need to register as a clec or anything else. You do need to file a form 477. On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Timothy Steele wrote: > So the west side of Knoxville has no internet and it's full of multi > million dollar houses that are already clients begging

Re: [AFMUG] Commisioner Pai is pulling a Trump

2017-02-08 Thread Erich Kaiser
I agree. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > Finally someone pulls thier head out of thier ass. That program is > ridiculous and the abuse well

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-08 Thread Lewis Bergman
I didn't know it is most of thier revenue either. It doesn't surprise me. I got an email about their AppStream2 program for a free trial. I tried it, it didn't work, and they billed me $600 bucks. Maybe it works better now, it is still to expensive. On Tue, Feb 7, 2017, 10:13 PM That One Guy

Re: [AFMUG] Commisioner Pai is pulling a Trump

2017-02-08 Thread Lewis Bergman
Finally someone pulls thier head out of thier ass. That program is ridiculous and the abuse well documented. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017, 1:55 AM Rory Conaway wrote: http://redrightrepublic.com/new-fcc-chairman-delivers-harsh-blow-obamas-phone-program/ *Rory Conaway **• Triad