Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Bill Prince
Compare this to putting 8 PMP450 APs on one ETI antenna. The ETI antenna alone is $10K. The 8 APs are ~~ $2500 each. Total cost is ~~ $30K. So this is like getting the ETI antenna for $7K, and the 8 APs are negative cost. bp On 6/22/2016 10:46 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium installation

2016-06-22 Thread Stefan Englhardt
The airprism models work better with interference. The background frequency scan helps a lot with troubleshooting without kicking the whole sector. 11ac is faster than 11n. So if 450 is to expensive I would not go epmp it is based on old 11n chipset.  Ursprüngliche Nachricht

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium installation

2016-06-22 Thread Stefan Englhardt
I seized ePMP due to disconnecting SMs with interference. Going UBNT AC.  Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: Kurt Fankhauser Datum: 23.06.2016 04:41 (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium installation

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Ken Hohhof
As wide as 360 degrees? From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:04 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m That is why they said 'about 3-4 times the throughput'. The better the spacial diversity the better the throughput - they can get 7x if everything is

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread Jaime Solorza
I will bear this 100 plus degree weather we are having all week as opposed to tornadoes... also read 80 people killed by lightning in last 24 somewhere in India.. .yikes On Jun 22, 2016 9:35 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" wrote: > Let me know if you need a hand, we

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium installation

2016-06-22 Thread Jaime Solorza
Nope no 450s... On Jun 22, 2016 9:28 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > Having used both extensively I strongly prefer epmp. Far more powerful. > Ubnt is much simpler but at a cost. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread George Skorup
6 on battery here right now. ComEd's shit sucks. On 6/22/2016 10:35 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Let me know if you need a hand, we have two sites on battery but beyond that it's crickets On Jun 22, 2016 10:33 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread Ken Hohhof
I have a wide swath where about half or more of the customers are down looks to be power outages. Only when power is restored do we find out who needs repairs. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Let me know if you need a hand, we have two sites on battery but beyond that it's crickets On Jun 22, 2016 10:33 PM, "George Skorup" wrote: > I gotta run out and reset an Exalt radio that I don't have on remote power > control yet. Of course, it's always the ones without

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread George Skorup
I gotta run out and reset an Exalt radio that I don't have on remote power control yet. Of course, it's always the ones without remote. On 6/22/2016 10:29 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: apparently theres 3 around town, canopy at a BP collapsed, network is still up... woot, maybe my ass

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
apparently theres 3 around town, canopy at a BP collapsed, network is still up... woot, maybe my ass monkey techs do tighten bolts On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > On the ground 8miles out supposedly headed this way, but They always

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium installation

2016-06-22 Thread Josh Luthman
Having used both extensively I strongly prefer epmp. Far more powerful. Ubnt is much simpler but at a cost. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 22, 2016 11:25 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" wrote: > i have some

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium installation

2016-06-22 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
i have some epmp out there i was testing and for small projects Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 > On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:07 PM, Josh Luthman >

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
There go our sirens On Jun 22, 2016 10:04 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" wrote: > With as bright as some of these are, there's gotta be a lot of popped @ > Ethernet ports > On Jun 22, 2016 10:00 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium installation

2016-06-22 Thread Josh Luthman
Uh don't you have 450? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 22, 2016 10:41 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" wrote: > im going from EPMP to UBNT-M series gear. Can't stand the interface on > ePMP. > > On Wed, Jun 22,

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
That is why they said 'about 3-4 times the throughput'. The better the spacial diversity the better the throughput - they can get 7x if everything is aligned correctly. You also need to remember that these aren't fixed beams - they're dynamically pointable, and my understanding is that it can be

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
With as bright as some of these are, there's gotta be a lot of popped @ Ethernet ports On Jun 22, 2016 10:00 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" wrote: > I'm sitting on my porch watching my northern wisp brothers subscriber > count drop, was doing some massive updates on the

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I'm sitting on my porch watching my northern wisp brothers subscriber count drop, was doing some massive updates on the network but this is pretty amazing to watch On Jun 22, 2016 9:50 PM, "George Skorup" wrote: No gas. Gotta have Nicor change out the meter. Power is good

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Nope, 28 patches. I get the impression the beamforming is actually done in the modulator or demodulator, which directly drives/receives from all 28 patches, and does beamforming and/or correlation magic in the FPGA. On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I

Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name

2016-06-22 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Always use escrow when transferring a domain name, unless you personally know the seller and/or don't care if you get the domain name stolen from you. Domain names are high-fraud items - it's not uncommon for you to transfer the domain and then the funds either never appear or later get reversed

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread George Skorup
No gas. Gotta have Nicor change out the meter. Power is good though. The street is a river. Fairly calm here now. Tornado warning gone. New one spinning up heading towards Pontiac though. On 6/22/2016 9:24 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: Is the gen operational? On Jun 22, 2016 9:22 PM, "George

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium installation

2016-06-22 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
im going from EPMP to UBNT-M series gear. Can't stand the interface on ePMP. On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Do it and you'll appreciate it. Bunch of us have tried the > Mikrotik/Ubnt/etc and moved over. I don't think I know a single user >

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread George Skorup
Yes. And yes. :( On 6/22/2016 9:23 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: 11ghz or 24ghz? On Jun 22, 2016 9:22 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote: Yup. I'm sitting at the office. Lots of links down from rain fade, but doesn't look like anything blew up yet.

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread Erich Kaiser
Is the gen operational? On Jun 22, 2016 9:22 PM, "George Skorup" wrote: > Yup. I'm sitting at the office. Lots of links down from rain fade, but > doesn't look like anything blew up yet. > > On 6/22/2016 9:20 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: > > Coal city 9:51 > On Jun 22, 2016 9:10

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread Erich Kaiser
11ghz or 24ghz? On Jun 22, 2016 9:22 PM, "George Skorup" wrote: > Yup. I'm sitting at the office. Lots of links down from rain fade, but > doesn't look like anything blew up yet. > > On 6/22/2016 9:20 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: > > Coal city 9:51 > On Jun 22, 2016 9:10 PM, "Mike

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread George Skorup
Yup. I'm sitting at the office. Lots of links down from rain fade, but doesn't look like anything blew up yet. On 6/22/2016 9:20 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: Coal city 9:51 On Jun 22, 2016 9:10 PM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote: Morris at 9:28.

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread Erich Kaiser
Coal city 9:51 On Jun 22, 2016 9:10 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > Morris at 9:28. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > >

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread Mike Hammett
Morris at 9:28. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "George Skorup" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:28:21 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium installation

2016-06-22 Thread Jaime Solorza
Let you know more tomorrow after I install everything. But so far.. smooth sailing...pings consistent no issues accessing any devices. On Jun 22, 2016 7:41 PM, "Jason Wilson" wrote: > I am looking to move from Mikrotik to Cambium. Sell me on it. I would >

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
this is a cool placeand it is real. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO9c8I4m--0 - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy7uDPSQyQU

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
oh lawd - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy7uDPSQyQU - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium installation

2016-06-22 Thread Josh Luthman
Do it and you'll appreciate it. Bunch of us have tried the Mikrotik/Ubnt/etc and moved over. I don't think I know a single user that's gone the other way. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread Mike Hammett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy7uDPSQyQU - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:40:33 PM

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium installation

2016-06-22 Thread Jason Wilson
I am looking to move from Mikrotik to Cambium. Sell me on it. I would rather hear it from an ISP then a sales guy. Jason Wilson Remotely Located Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places. 530-651-1736 530-748-9608 Cell www.remotelylocated.com On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:36 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Alabama produces quite a bit of that stuff. Look up Baron Services (Huntsville AL) - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning I've been watching channel 7 as they have the newest,

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread Joe Novak
Power outages near west brooklyn, Amboy area. Was reported tornado activity also a few miles east of there by 39. On Jun 22, 2016 8:33 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: I've been watching channel 7 as they have the newest, best radar. I certainly don't recall the levels of detail

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread Mike Hammett
I've been watching channel 7 as they have the newest, best radar. I certainly don't recall the levels of detail they're giving from anywhere else before. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message -

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread Jaime Solorza
Be safe guys... keep us posted... On Jun 22, 2016 7:28 PM, "George Skorup" wrote: > Radar looks awesome. Coming right at us again. I hate my life. > > On 6/22/2016 8:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Radio reports confirmed tornado east of Paw Paw. > > Based on 11 GHz rain fade,

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread George Skorup
Radar looks awesome. Coming right at us again. I hate my life. On 6/22/2016 8:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Radio reports confirmed tornado east of Paw Paw. Based on 11 GHz rain fade, it’s raining cats and dogs in that area. *From:* Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22,

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium installation

2016-06-22 Thread Jaime Solorza
I am eclectic...next a PBR and then Tecate... oh yes On Jun 22, 2016 7:21 PM, "Jason Wilson" wrote: > Well you have good taste in Beer. Victoria is getting harder to find here > in N California. > > > Jason Wilson > Remotely Located > Providing High Speed Internet to

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread Ken Hohhof
Radio reports confirmed tornado east of Paw Paw. Based on 11 GHz rain fade, it’s raining cats and dogs in that area. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 7:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning George, it looks like you're clear. Well, your office anyway.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium installation

2016-06-22 Thread Jason Wilson
Well you have good taste in Beer. Victoria is getting harder to find here in N California. Jason Wilson Remotely Located Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places. 530-651-1736 530-748-9608 Cell www.remotelylocated.com On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Spring for us. Summer for ya'll. Although we had enough lightning last week to last a decade. Wish you luck sir. - Original Message - From: George Skorup To: af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

[AFMUG] Google Fiber acquires Webpass

2016-06-22 Thread Brian Spade
https://webpass.net/blog/google-fiber-agrees-to-acquire-webpass If you aren't familiar with Webpass, I believe they have a business model where they only deploy at businesses & MDUs. The use wireless backhaul and depending on the inside wiring, use ethernet/fiber or drop a local DSLAM/CMTS to

Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name

2016-06-22 Thread Eric Kuhnke
When you link a paypal account to your bank account via ACH, you give them permission to do so. It's in their terms of service. On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: > Actually, Paypal CAN take it back out of your bank. I've had it happen > before. > > Just use

Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name

2016-06-22 Thread Jon Auer
This. We were a party to a 5-figure domain transaction that used Escrow.com - https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow - and it went smoothly. There are a ton of scammers out there and escrow keeps everyone protected. On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Travis Johnson

Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name

2016-06-22 Thread Robert
Any Electronic transaction can be reversed (paper too but it takes more).. On 6/22/16 5:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: That seems illegal. What happened? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread George Skorup
Ugh. Exactly one year ago. Just our luck. We'll see how things progress into the evening. I hope us and nobody else in the area gets any damage tonight. Stay safe everyone. On 6/22/2016 7:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: George, it looks like you're clear. Well, your office anyway.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name

2016-06-22 Thread Josh Luthman
That seems illegal. What happened? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: > Actually, Paypal CAN take it back out of your bank. I've had it happen > before. > > Just

[AFMUG] Tornado Warning

2016-06-22 Thread Mike Hammett
George, it looks like you're clear. Well, your office anyway. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name

2016-06-22 Thread Travis Johnson
Actually, Paypal CAN take it back out of your bank. I've had it happen before. Just use an escrow service and be done with it. Jeez. Travis On 6/22/2016 5:11 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: You don't get the funds immediately sometimes. What the conditions are I don't know exactly, it seems like

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik BGP Blackhole Community

2016-06-22 Thread George Skorup
Yes On 6/22/2016 6:54 PM, Matt wrote: Yes. Pretty easy. /routing filter add action=accept chain=bgp-out-gtt comment="GTT Blackhole" prefix-length=32 set-bgp-communities=3257:2666 /routing bgp network add disabled=yes network=1.1.1.1/32 synchronize=no The filter (at the top of the list)

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Josh Reynolds
Lol On Jun 22, 2016 7:03 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" wrote: > we demand an SFP! > > ok we are listening to you > > also this new PtMP platform is $7,000 > > uh > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > >> On 6/22/16 13:29, Craig

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Eric Kuhnke
we demand an SFP! ok we are listening to you also this new PtMP platform is $7,000 uh On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 6/22/16 13:29, Craig Schmaderer wrote: > >> Now don't get to greedy, we still need no license sms at a good price.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name

2016-06-22 Thread Eric Kuhnke
If they insist on using Paypal and you're OK with that, and this is not a high enough value transaction to go through a full formal escrow process, you could probably write a one page contract that says you will retain the registrar lock & nameserver records until AFTER the Paypal payment has

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 6/22/16 13:29, Craig Schmaderer wrote: Now don't get to greedy, we still need no license sms at a good price. At least no complaints about lacking an SFP. ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik BGP Blackhole Community

2016-06-22 Thread Matt
> Yes. Pretty easy. > > /routing filter > add action=accept chain=bgp-out-gtt comment="GTT Blackhole" prefix-length=32 > set-bgp-communities=3257:2666 > > /routing bgp network > add disabled=yes network=1.1.1.1/32 synchronize=no > > The filter (at the top of the list) matches any /32 in the BGP

Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name

2016-06-22 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
What about Square’s Cash app? it’s instantaneous right into your bank account and free for debit cards. But personally I’d use an escrow if it’s anything of value. > On Jun 22, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: > > I think with PayPal I get the money

Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name

2016-06-22 Thread Josh Luthman
You don't get the funds immediately sometimes. What the conditions are I don't know exactly, it seems like Paypal has a "when we feel like it" attitude. If you can transfer it to your bank and give them the domain you should be fine. Paypal can't really withdraw the funds back as you can just

Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name

2016-06-22 Thread Sterling Jacobson
I think with PayPal I get the money immediately in my PayPal account, then I transfer it asap to my bank. Once that clears, THEN I allow the domain transfer. Does that sound more reliable? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 5:03 PM

Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name

2016-06-22 Thread Josh Luthman
In case the buyer says "I never got the domain" and then your money is tied up for weeks or monthsor you never get it and lose your domain. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Rory Conaway

[AFMUG] Customer looking for service in Houston TX

2016-06-22 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
N Hutcheson St, Houston, 77003 Can anyone help? Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name

2016-06-22 Thread Travis Johnson
There are escrow services for this exact type of transaction. Usually the buyer pays all the escrow fees. You could also mark it up for the credit card processing fees. It's possible for people to challenge a Paypal payment and get their money back, thus the reason people use escrow services.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name

2016-06-22 Thread Rory Conaway
Why avoid paypal other than the fees? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name Can you do a check instead of PayPal? Or ACH? I would avoid PayPal, even

Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name

2016-06-22 Thread Josh Luthman
Can you do a check instead of PayPal? Or ACH? I would avoid PayPal, even with a personal transfer. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 22, 2016 6:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" wrote: > I have a buyer for one

[AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name

2016-06-22 Thread Sterling Jacobson
I have a buyer for one of my defunct domain names I own. I was thinking I would just have them process the domain transfer request. Then when I received that, have them pay me via PayPal personal transfer so I don't have to pay fees on the funds. Then process the transfer request. Anyone see

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Craig Schmaderer
Now don't get to greedy, we still need no license sms at a good price. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 3:04 PM -0500, "Matt" > wrote: Would nice if the "Limited" version did

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Matt
Would nice if the "Limited" version did beam steering at lest on the receive. Would not increase sector capacity so much but would help with noise a great deal. Would make it similar to ePMP2000. On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Super WISP wrote: > > > *Q. * > >

Re: [AFMUG] Managing a device on a bonded Mikrotik port

2016-06-22 Thread Dennis Burgess
Yep, way it works! You should have out of band management or do ECMP. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Managing a device on a bonded Mikrotik port Does anyone know of an easy way

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Right, but not 430s Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com > On Jun 22, 2016, at 2:55 PM, David wrote: > > It will talk to all existing 450 and 450i subs from what I understand :) > > >> On

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread George Skorup
Seems my mind control from here to Rolling Meadows is working flawlessly. On 6/22/2016 1:45 PM, Super WISP wrote: *Q. * *What is the “Limited” version? * A. The “Limited” model numbers of the 450m will only perform in “Sector Mode.” They are limited to this mode of

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread David
It will talk to all existing 450 and 450i subs from what I understand :) On 06/22/2016 10:35 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: For the AP I presume? What does it talk to? *From:* Craig Schmaderer *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:34 AM *To:* af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Craig Schmaderer
Wow thats great news Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:49 PM -0500, "Mathew Howard" > wrote: Spiffy! That's not too bad of a price over doing a regular 450 AP, considering it includes

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Mathew Howard
Spiffy! That's not too bad of a price over doing a regular 450 AP, considering it includes the antenna... easily worth it if you think you're likely to ever need MU-MIMO. On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Super WISP wrote: > > > *Q. * > > *What is the “Limited” version?

Re: [AFMUG] 450D vs sm with reflector 5ghz

2016-06-22 Thread George Skorup
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/License-Issues/td-p/55099 On 6/22/2016 1:31 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: Great to hear about the 20-40 upgrade. Any more details on this? On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Carl Peterson

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Super WISP
Q. What is the “Limited” version? A. The “Limited” model numbers of the 450m will only perform in “Sector Mode.” They are limited to this mode of operation. This AP represents a performance increase over a standard 450 AP, and can be considered “MU-MIMO Ready.” There will be a demo mode

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Mathew Howard
So what are the limitations? On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Super WISP wrote: > There is a “Limited” version of the 450M George. MSRP is $4495.00. > > > > *Mark Chamerlik* > > Strategic Account Manager-East Coast > > [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D14A33.56536AF0] > >

Re: [AFMUG] 450D vs sm with reflector 5ghz

2016-06-22 Thread Tushar Patel
We did. We like it better. Same or better result. Easier to source. One item to carry on truck, same equipment for sat mount install and 10 feet of pole install. Tushar > On Jun 22, 2016, at 12:59 PM, Craig Schmaderer > wrote: > > Has anyone made the switch?

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Chuck McCown
25 SMs free with each AP purchased between now and the end of the year. From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m Dont worry about the price! I'm starting a rumor they are throwing in 50 free license keys for un-capping SM's per

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Super WISP
There is a “Limited” version of the 450M George. MSRP is $4495.00. Mark Chamerlik Strategic Account Manager-East Coast [cid:image001.jpg@01D14A33.56536AF0] 630-818-1004 OFFICE 815-822-4490 CELL ma...@wavonline.com www.wavonline.com For

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Mathew Howard
I think that would actually be a really good idea (assuming they can build it for that price). It would certainly be worth it in my opinion to pay a little extra over a standard 450 AP if there's any chance that you'll need the extra capacity down the road, rather than having to replace the AP at

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Matt
> I'm sure nobody will like this, but hear me out. The Lite AP thing has been > good to us. So what about selling the 450m to us > at half price with say a 25 SM limit and no beam steering and then let us > unlock it to full features with a license key? > The beam steering and MU-MIMO doesn't

Re: [AFMUG] 450D vs sm with reflector 5ghz

2016-06-22 Thread Carl Peterson
Great to hear about the 20-40 upgrade. Any more details on this? On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: > We are using the 450Ds. Faster install, less parts to keep track of. > Performance at >2.5 miles is about the same, better in some instances. >

Re: [AFMUG] 450D vs sm with reflector 5ghz

2016-06-22 Thread Carl Peterson
We are using the 450Ds. Faster install, less parts to keep track of. Performance at >2.5 miles is about the same, better in some instances. 2.5-3.5is a little worse but we don't have too many installs out that far and never go over 3.5. Customers seem to like it better because it doesn't look

Re: [AFMUG] 450D vs sm with reflector 5ghz

2016-06-22 Thread George Skorup
Yup On 6/22/2016 1:23 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: the 20mbps models get a free upgrade to 40mbps? On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:19 PM, George Skorup > wrote: The 450d will get an automatic upgrade to 40Mbps after you update it to

Re: [AFMUG] 450D vs sm with reflector 5ghz

2016-06-22 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Buying reflectors for $45/each from KP On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > And how much does a reflector and Jpole cost? > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Wed, Jun

Re: [AFMUG] 450D vs sm with reflector 5ghz

2016-06-22 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
the 20mbps models get a free upgrade to 40mbps? On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:19 PM, George Skorup wrote: > The 450d will get an automatic upgrade to 40Mbps after you update it to > 14.1.something, I think one of the betas currently. > > And they finally realized that the

Re: [AFMUG] 450D vs sm with reflector 5ghz

2016-06-22 Thread George Skorup
The 450d will get an automatic upgrade to 40Mbps after you update it to 14.1.something, I think one of the betas currently. And they finally realized that the antennas gain was calculated incorrectly for the DFS band and was fixed recently. Subtract the cost of an offset reflector. It's not

Re: [AFMUG] 450D vs sm with reflector 5ghz

2016-06-22 Thread Josh Luthman
And how much does a reflector and Jpole cost? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > I can get used 5ghz 20meg SM's for $179. > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread George Skorup
I'm sure nobody will like this, but hear me out. The Lite AP thing has been good to us. So what about selling the 450m to us at half price with say a 25 SM limit and no beam steering and then let us unlock it to full features with a license key? The beam steering and MU-MIMO doesn't accomplish

Re: [AFMUG] 450D vs sm with reflector 5ghz

2016-06-22 Thread Craig Schmaderer
Email me your soucre please. :). Seriously. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc. On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:11 PM -0500, "Kurt Fankhauser" > wrote: I can get used 5ghz 20meg SM's for $179. On Wed, Jun 22, 2016

Re: [AFMUG] 450D vs sm with reflector 5ghz

2016-06-22 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I can get used 5ghz 20meg SM's for $179. On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I believe they're cheaper if you get the same speed keys IIRC. Could be > wrong. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite

Re: [AFMUG] 450D vs sm with reflector 5ghz

2016-06-22 Thread Josh Luthman
I believe they're cheaper if you get the same speed keys IIRC. Could be wrong. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Cost is higher, plus if your using

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
add depreciation over 3 years used market ~$2335 per radio $2335 * 4 = $9,333 ;) - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m 7*4 = 28 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
So cost is $5600 since the standard WISP discount is 20% off list price. On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: > That’s List Adam. You get the standard Cambium discount off of that. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Jeff > > > > > > Jeff Broadwick > > Senior

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik BGP Blackhole Community

2016-06-22 Thread Josh Reynolds
We actually just did over 6000 strands spliced for Cogent in an underground datacenter they are part of. I'd love to know how it took you 2 minutes on a change order. On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > Takes me a bout 2 min. simple. > > > >

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

2016-06-22 Thread Jeff Broadwick
That’s List Adam. You get the standard Cambium discount off of that. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc. jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of

Re: [AFMUG] 450D vs sm with reflector 5ghz

2016-06-22 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Cost is higher, plus if your using 5.4ghz frequencies their is less ERP since the integrated antenna is probably going to limit the SM to 1 watt ERP. On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: > Has anyone made the switch? Better or worse results? The

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik BGP Blackhole Community

2016-06-22 Thread Dennis Burgess
Takes me a bout 2 min. simple. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik BGP Blackhole Community It takes FOR EV ER to get any change orders with them done. Also, eCogent is *the

[AFMUG] 450D vs sm with reflector 5ghz

2016-06-22 Thread Craig Schmaderer
Has anyone made the switch? Better or worse results? The same? Why switch price easier install? We have not made the switch yet. Craig Schmaderer Cell 402-380-1245 Skywave Wireless, Inc.

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