Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Josh Reynolds]

The same way the Flat Earth Society has members "all around the globe".

*cough* :)

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:
> how do you orbit a flat earth.
>
> roland
>
>> I would love it if they were able to get it in orbit.
>
> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>> No, I don't think so. I read somewhere that it wouldn't launch when they
>> tried.
>>
>> But wait... you're trying to tell me the Earth really isn't flat??
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2018 1:30 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Did they ever get their rocket to fly to prove Earth is flat? Forget
>>> physics, math and science...trust your eyes
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Feb 18, 2018 12:20 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:
>>>
>>> You sound like a paranoid flat earther :)
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Robert  wrote:

 Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my DNS
 servers...

 On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software update?
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...
>
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> up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be. It's the cameras
> reaching out from the 10 net... To this address
>
> Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Martin Strbacka]

Hi here,

I'm glad to see discussions about UBNT UFiber GPON here. I'd like to
clarify some of the statements which I read in this thread.

> Ubnt initially released a spec saying the Nano would be rated for -40C.
After resting they revised this to -10C... this told me they didn't design
properly and were just hoping it would work using commercial rated parts,
like most of their radios do.
The hardware is designed well, no worries. The reason why we haven't used
parts with extended operating temperature range was that we hadn't a good
source for those parts at that time (stable quality and cost).

>  So, if the ONU has to be indoor anyway, the comporable ZTE ONU is less
than half the cost of the ubnt. The OLT is also much cheaper if you fully
load the OLT.
Nano G - $64.50
https://www.balticnetworks.com/manufacturers/ubiquiti/fiber/cpe/ufiber-nano-g.html
ZTE - $43.75
https://www.balticnetworks.com/zte-zxhn-f601-gpon-optical-network-terminal.html
So ZTE ONUs is 32% cheaper but ZTE OLT is much more expensive so the total
cost of deployment starts to be equal once you deploy around 300 ONUs.
I can assure you that we will release a price optimized UFiber Loco ONU
(the price will be similar to the mentioned ZTE ONU) before your deployment
grows to that point.

> The ZTE is also a mature product with features like VOIP in the ONUs,
Multicast IPTV support was another big one for us.
Sure, we don't have POTS port on UF-Nano but you can use VoIP and Multicast
IPTV without any problem by using VLANs.
Have you tried the latest firmwares (Some beta firmwares had problems with
multicasts but that was long time ago)?
(by the way, we just released router mode firmwares
https://blog.ubnt.com/2018/02/08/pushing-ufiber-gpon-next-level/)

> Also struggled with getting the UNMS installed and working properly
Could you please send us some details to this forum
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UNMS-Beta/bd-p/UNMSBeta ?
You can tag UBNT-Jindrich or UBNT-Radek there directly to get their
attention quickly.

Regards,
Martin



On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> Check eBay, alibaba etc.
>
> On Feb 15, 2018 11:32 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, and yes, it would be grey market since I'm not willing to pay
>> nearly double for the supported version.  Point taken on the Ubiquiti
>> support though, I just figured crap support is better than no support.
>>
>> Going back to the distributed tap design, how does an OTDR behave with
>> this kind of setup?  Do you need some special software or do you just have
>> to read it differently?
>>
>> Where are you sourcing your FBT splitters?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Chris Fabien 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Without support, yes if you are buying it grey market. But have you ever
>>> dealt with ubnt support? Last time I tried they were about useless.
>>>
>>> Smartolt.com provides a subscription based web gui for the zte OLT. It's
>>> a nice system, if you are okay trusting that functionality to some guy in
>>> Romania. The CLI is pretty clunky but you can do it that way too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2018 10:07 PM, "Jason McKemie" >> com> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the information.  Others were saying the ZTE units are
 basically without any support, so I thought that might be a potential
 benefit to the Ubiquiti gear.  What do you use to manage the ZTE gear?  Is
 it just CLI?

 -Jason

 On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:37 PM, Chris Fabien 
 wrote:

> The main reason we were initially drawn to ubnt was the outdoor POE
> powered ONU. This would let us re-use a lot of wireless installs with cat5
> runs, and it is also how we had previously been doing our activeE FTTH,
> with a media converter in the NID. Ubnt initially released a spec saying
> the Nano would be rated for -40C. After resting they revised this to
> -10C... this told me they didn't design properly and were just hoping it
> would work using commercial rated parts, like most of their radios do. Not
> confidence building.
>
> So, if the ONU has to be indoor anyway, the comporable ZTE ONU is less
> than half the cost of the ubnt. The OLT is also much cheaper if you fully
> load the OLT. The ZTE is also a mature product with features like VOIP in
> the ONUs, Multicast IPTV support was another big one for us. Also 
> struggled
> with getting the UNMS installed and working properly, and ubnt has a
> horrible track record for maintaining their management tools so it was
> worrysome to rely on a beta version of their new management platform.
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:48 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> What were the factors in choosing ZTE over Ubiquiti?
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chris Fabien 

Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Steve Jones]

It look like something wile coyote would chase the roadrunner in. Would
have been awesome if ACME was painted on the side. If he does get it to
launch with him in it, the youtube monetization check may cover the funeral
expenses and most of the damages to the buildings he blows up

On Feb 18, 2018 6:22 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> I would love it if they were able to get it in orbit.
>
> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
> > No, I don't think so. I read somewhere that it wouldn't launch when they
> > tried.
> >
> > But wait... you're trying to tell me the Earth really isn't flat??
> >
> > On Feb 18, 2018 1:30 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Did they ever get their rocket to fly to prove Earth is flat?  Forget
> >> physics, math and science...trust your eyes
> >>
> >> Jaime Solorza
> >>
> >> On Feb 18, 2018 12:20 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:
> >>
> >> You sound like a paranoid flat earther :)
> >>
> >> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Robert  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my DNS
> >>> servers...
> >>>
> >>> On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> 
>  You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software update?
> 
>  -Original Message- From: Robert
>  Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...
> 
>  Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
>  cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
>  inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the cameras
> start
>  up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
>  reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address
> 
>  Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...
> 
>  whois 112.124.0.188
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Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Steve Jones]

Would be cool if jaime did some beatnik jazz type spoken word performance
of it... that effin hippy

On Feb 18, 2018 10:49 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Yep
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:31 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> Didn't we (Chuck?) reverse-acronym AFMUG to be Advanced Fiber and
> Microwave Users Group?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/18/2018 7:31 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
>> What poem was that? I think I remember some kind of poem that was put
>> needle point and framed and given to someone.
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> Well, your poetry was read at one AnimalFarm...  you are a bit of a
>>> celebrity.
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:07 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>> Not that id show up, or ever did, but it seems the history of animal
>>> farm allowed alot of people to get their tip wet in the industry. The
>>> industry has changed, fiber is the new canopy. Why dont you guys turn this
>>> thing fiber centric? Animal farm 2.0 or 3.14 because only geeks go to stuff
>>> like that. Have a glass bakeoff. Enough of you are EE eggheads enough to
>>> build out an overpowered fiber laser array to poke fibers into a hog and
>>> green light roast it from the inside.
>>> Just sayin, thats what id like to see pictures from
>>> On Feb 16, 2018 4:55 PM, "David Coudron" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We’d be interested in that as well.
>>>
>>> David Coudron
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 3:51 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93
>>>
>>> On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some
>>> construction machinery.
>>>
>>> *From:*CBB - Jay Fuller
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM
>>>
>>> *To:*af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei
>>> like
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>>
>>> *From:*SmarterBroadband
>>>
>>> *To:*af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
>>> *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
>>> *To:* af 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to
>>> justify the fairpark venue.
>>>
>>> I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we
>>> held the first one.
>>>
>>> I have modified the afmug.com  page a
>>> bit reflecting that something is going to happen.
>>>
>>> All but the home page.
>>>
>>> I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.
>>>
>>> *From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM
>>>
>>> *To:*af
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open
>>> space conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The
>>> WISPA conferences aren't really set up well to handle this
>>> type of thing.
>>>
>>> Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and
>>> then breakout rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are
>>> people standing up and suggesting topics to discuss, and
>>> putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space
>>> and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works
>>> where you claim time on the agenda.   For larger groups,
>>> you of course need more space since there tends to be more
>>> things people want to discuss than there is time on the
>>> agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the
>>> topic ends up leading it in the space they've claimed in
>>> the timeslot assigned.
>>>
>>> I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere
>>> in Utah for something like this  I also wouldn't mind
>>> taking the leadership role during the initial 20 minutes
>>> to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done
>>> correctly isn't really as much a selection 

Re: [AFMUG] How to create echo on an analog tel line

[Steve Jones]

Far end echo isnt fixable sometimes, nor can you replicate it, as ive come
to find out with a year plus battle on a fortivoice system with analog
lines. Swapping to sip trunks is the resolution.

We tried all kinds of stuff, but the sauce only goes so far. After dealing
with all the audio sides of it (echo cancellation settings, more gain, less
gain, lesser gain,some tide pods, tickling a cat) it just ends up being an
inherent delay in the analog signal. Thats the rough explanation i can
relay, this was engineers well more suited than me trying to explain what
was going on. I kept trying to get them to look at the squirrel outside my
window, but they were having none of it... effing geeks.



On Feb 17, 2018 10:33 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> Have them put their hand over the mic and see if the echo is still there.
> If that "fixes" it, then it's acoustic.  In which case it's a matter of
> picking the right handset or turning the volume down.  If not, then it's EE
> business which I don't know enough about to comment on.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Fabien" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/17/2018 10:22:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How to create echo on an analog tel line
>
> So we had a customer complaining about sometimes hearing an echo, they go
> get a new multi handset dect cordless phone system, and it's now way worse
> echo than the old phone. We are using the built in ATA in our ZTE ONU,
> never had much trouble with echo on the Cisco ATA we used to use on
> wireless customers. Not sure how to address this or just give up in the ZTE
> go up if it's just crap?
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2018 8:26 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> You can get *acoustic *echo by adding latency.  This is the handset mic
>> picking up the handset speaker, and it doesn't happen on POTS lines, but it
>> happens on VoIP using the exact same phone because the up and down path are
>> no longer synchronous.
>>
>> There are also electrical echo effects that are above my pay grade.  One
>> of the old phone guys here maybe knows something.
>>
>> My understanding is that echo cancellation can detect and fix the
>> electrical echos, but not the acoustic echo.  To fix acoustic echo you
>> either turn down the volume on the handset or use a different handset.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chris Fabien" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/17/2018 6:09:32 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] How to create echo on an analog tel line
>>
>> We are having sporadic reports of our subscriber hearing an echo on some
>> new go up ATA we are usin g. Whenever I test it myself with various phones,
>> it's fine. Anyone know how I can create this condition so I can fool with
>> the echo cancellation gains to see if I can fix it?
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Robert]

Never happened..  set it up in windows, view it in linux...

On 2/18/18 7:30 PM, Edward H. Winters wrote:

from the amazon page for your camera.
Use computer for initial setup, and then remotely view the camera 
using Smartphone (android & iOS: XMEye, IP Cam Viewer & Tiny Cam Pro); 
Email Motion Detection Snapshot Alert


This page at that ip is branded XMEye, looks like someone signed it up 
for some sort of cloud service.

http://112.124.0.188/index

On 02/18/2018 09:12 AM, Robert wrote:
Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my 
DNS servers...


On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software update?

-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the cameras 
start

up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address

Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...

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Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Steve Jones]

It works fine here. Problem free(ish). Those that want to donate can cover
the costs. Pauls been very reliable, and never needs a snickers so little
to no risk of an "i quit"

Id say we should just have a swear jar, but i dont have that kind of money.

One option would be to stick half the fund drive into something with crypto
coin shennanigans, cash out 1/2 biannually. But then taxes somewhere...

Having it third party hosted in the manner that it is keeps the list
outside any individuals attitude, which is pretty good idea. Sure paul can
cancel an account, but he cant just power down a vm, throttle a connection,
not feel like dealing with a blacklist issue, withdraw vm host resources,
etc, not that i think he would.

Not directed at you mike, just a generalization.

Maybe pimp some friday spam access to some non list member vendors for a
fee, but we all know, once they come see this place, theyll join up. This
is the best cult this side of waco.

On Feb 18, 2018 5:10 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> These guys:
> https://www.emwd.com/mailman-hosting/
> advertise they can do it for $3/month.
>
> Perhaps they can.  I just don’t want to make a change I will regret.  And
> I do not want to have to personally be the mechanic.
>
> *From:* Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2018 2:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
>
> I agree. Toss some money at him, I'm sure we can spare it
>
> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 12:20 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Yep... this always comes up. I think the consensus has always been that
>> it's easier for those of us who are willing, to just chip in occasionally
>> and keep it as is, then to mess with what's been working well.
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2018 1:36 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:
>>
>>> Seems like this same conversation came up last year.   Folks, if you
>>> don't want to pay, propose doing the work.   Seems like it's well worth 100
>>> bucks for the enjoyment I get out of it.  I pay way more than that for
>>> things way less enjoyable, but necessary to keep peace at home...
>>>
>>> On 02/18/2018 11:30 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>
 Then is a pledge drive needed?

 Blacklists are the recipients problems. Not the mailing list owners
 problem - as long as nothing shady is going on.

 On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:15, Mike Hammett >> af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

 Those that run the list are happy to pay for not dealing with
> blacklists, etc. whatever SES provides.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>  telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>  /company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> 
> 
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:12:56 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
>
> What is SES?  Amazon?
>
> That seems overkill for a mailing list.
>
> On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett > wrote:
>
> SES
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>  telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>  /company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> 
> 
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
>
> Support of what???
>
> What the heck costs that much?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Lumina management subnet

[Steve Jones]

Shoot them an email and they will tell you, it breaks something else
though, i dont recall what it was but ended up having to use a /29 and a
failover gateway

On Feb 18, 2018 5:39 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

Apparently I'm stupid or just not searching with the right terminology.
What's the command to make two Lumina's communicate remote statuses when in
different subnets?

Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Roland Houin]

how do you orbit a flat earth.
 
roland
 
> I would love it if they were able to get it in orbit.On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:> No, I don't think so. I read somewhere that it wouldn't launch when they> tried.>> But wait... you're trying to tell me the Earth really isn't flat??>> On Feb 18, 2018 1:30 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote: Did they ever get their rocket to fly to prove Earth is flat? Forget>> physics, math and science...trust your eyes Jaime Solorza On Feb 18, 2018 12:20 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote: You sound like a paranoid flat earther :) On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Robert  wrote:
>> Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my DNS>>> servers...>> On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software update? -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was... Frick'n peoples republic. So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ cameras. & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
 inside my network. So I am now on the alert and when the cameras start up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be. It's the cameras reaching out from the 10 net... To this address Now I have to consider part of my core compromised... whois 112.124.0.188 # # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use # available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html # # If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at # 
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Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Josh Reynolds]

I would love it if they were able to get it in orbit.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> No, I don't think so. I read somewhere that it wouldn't launch when they
> tried.
>
> But wait... you're trying to tell me the Earth really isn't flat??
>
> On Feb 18, 2018 1:30 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>>
>> Did they ever get their rocket to fly to prove Earth is flat?  Forget
>> physics, math and science...trust your eyes
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2018 12:20 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:
>>
>> You sound like a paranoid flat earther :)
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Robert  wrote:
>>>
>>> Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my DNS
>>> servers...
>>>
>>> On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

 You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software update?

 -Original Message- From: Robert
 Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

 Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
 cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
 inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the cameras start
 up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
 reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address

 Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...

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[AFMUG] Lumina management subnet

[George Skorup]

Apparently I'm stupid or just not searching with the right terminology. 
What's the command to make two Lumina's communicate remote statuses when 
in different subnets?

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Chuck McCown]

These guys:
https://www.emwd.com/mailman-hosting/
advertise they can do it for $3/month.  

Perhaps they can.  I just don’t want to make a change I will regret.  And I do 
not want to have to personally be the mechanic.  

From: Ryan Ray 
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

I agree. Toss some money at him, I'm sure we can spare it 

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 12:20 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

  Yep... this always comes up. I think the consensus has always been that it's 
easier for those of us who are willing, to just chip in occasionally and keep 
it as is, then to mess with what's been working well. 

  On Feb 18, 2018 1:36 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:

Seems like this same conversation came up last year.   Folks, if you don't 
want to pay, propose doing the work.   Seems like it's well worth 100 bucks for 
the enjoyment I get out of it.  I pay way more than that for things way less 
enjoyable, but necessary to keep peace at home...

On 02/18/2018 11:30 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

  Then is a pledge drive needed?

  Blacklists are the recipients problems. Not the mailing list owners 
problem - as long as nothing shady is going on.

  On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:15, Mike Hammett > wrote:


Those that run the list are happy to pay for not dealing with 
blacklists, etc. whatever SES provides.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Matt Hoppes" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:12:56 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

What is SES?  Amazon?

That seems overkill for a mailing list.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett > wrote:

SES



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 






*From: *"Matt Hoppes" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

Support of what???

What the heck costs that much?

Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after 
that.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray > wrote:


Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year
including support, $1800 not including support.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes
> wrote:

Can it really be more than $5

How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take
when virtualized?

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John
> 
wrote:

Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate
this list?

On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown
> wrote:

I notice it has been 

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Chuck McCown]

I am hoping Paul McCall will reply with what the actual costs are.

If we can host it somewhere else, have it work this well, with zero effort, at 
a lower cost I am all for it.  

From: Ryan Ray 
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

I agree. Toss some money at him, I'm sure we can spare it 

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 12:20 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

  Yep... this always comes up. I think the consensus has always been that it's 
easier for those of us who are willing, to just chip in occasionally and keep 
it as is, then to mess with what's been working well. 

  On Feb 18, 2018 1:36 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:

Seems like this same conversation came up last year.   Folks, if you don't 
want to pay, propose doing the work.   Seems like it's well worth 100 bucks for 
the enjoyment I get out of it.  I pay way more than that for things way less 
enjoyable, but necessary to keep peace at home...

On 02/18/2018 11:30 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

  Then is a pledge drive needed?

  Blacklists are the recipients problems. Not the mailing list owners 
problem - as long as nothing shady is going on.

  On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:15, Mike Hammett > wrote:


Those that run the list are happy to pay for not dealing with 
blacklists, etc. whatever SES provides.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Matt Hoppes" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:12:56 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

What is SES?  Amazon?

That seems overkill for a mailing list.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett > wrote:

SES



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 






*From: *"Matt Hoppes" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

Support of what???

What the heck costs that much?

Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after 
that.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray > wrote:


Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year
including support, $1800 not including support.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes
> wrote:

Can it really be more than $5

How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take
when virtualized?

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John
> 
wrote:

Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate
this list?

On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown
> wrote:

I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit 
to help 

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Ryan Ray]

I agree. Toss some money at him, I'm sure we can spare it

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 12:20 PM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> Yep... this always comes up. I think the consensus has always been that
> it's easier for those of us who are willing, to just chip in occasionally
> and keep it as is, then to mess with what's been working well.
>
> On Feb 18, 2018 1:36 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:
>
>> Seems like this same conversation came up last year.   Folks, if you
>> don't want to pay, propose doing the work.   Seems like it's well worth 100
>> bucks for the enjoyment I get out of it.  I pay way more than that for
>> things way less enjoyable, but necessary to keep peace at home...
>>
>> On 02/18/2018 11:30 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>>> Then is a pledge drive needed?
>>>
>>> Blacklists are the recipients problems. Not the mailing list owners
>>> problem - as long as nothing shady is going on.
>>>
>>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:15, Mike Hammett > af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Those that run the list are happy to pay for not dealing with
 blacklists, etc. whatever SES provides.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 
 
 *From: *"Matt Hoppes" >> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
 *To: *af@afmug.com 
 *Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:12:56 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

 What is SES?  Amazon?

 That seems overkill for a mailing list.

 On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett >> af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

 SES



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 
 
 *From: *"Matt Hoppes" >
 *To: *af@afmug.com 
 *Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

 Support of what???

 What the heck costs that much?

 Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after
 that.

 On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray > wrote:


 Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year
 including support, $1800 not including support.

 On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes
 > wrote:

 Can it really be more than $5

 How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take
 when virtualized?

 On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John
 >
 wrote:

 Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate
 this list?

 On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown
 > wrote:

 I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit
 to help fund the
 not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list
 alive.

 Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the
 revenue created to
 pa...@pdmnet.net 

   

Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Bill Prince]

But if I stand, it looks a little more roundish.


bp


On 2/18/2018 12:29 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


The part I'm sitting on is pretty flat.

bp


On 2/18/2018 12:25 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
No, I don't think so. I read somewhere that it wouldn't launch when 
they tried.


But wait... you're trying to tell me the Earth really isn't flat??

On Feb 18, 2018 1:30 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote:


Did they ever get their rocket to fly to prove Earth is flat? 
Forget physics, math and science...trust your eyes

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 18, 2018 12:20 PM, "TJ Trout" > wrote:

You sound like a paranoid flat earther :)

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Robert
> wrote:

Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to
phone into my DNS servers...

On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a
software update?

-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of
those $300 PTZ
cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts
to intrude from
inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and
when the cameras start
up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's
the cameras
reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address

Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...

whois 112.124.0.188

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#
# If you see inaccuracies in the results, please
report at
#
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NetRange:   112.0.0.0 - 112.255.255.255

CIDR: 112.0.0.0/8 
NetName:    APNIC-112
NetHandle:  NET-112-0-0-0-1
Parent:  ()
NetType:    Allocated to APNIC
OriginAS:
Organization:   Asia Pacific Network Information
Centre (APNIC)
RegDate:    2008-05-26
Updated:    2010-07-30
Comment:    This IP address range is not
registered in the ARIN
database.
Comment:    For details, refer to the APNIC Whois
Database via
Comment: WHOIS.APNIC.NET  or
http://wq.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois.pl

Comment:    ** IMPORTANT NOTE: APNIC is the
Regional Internet Registry
Comment:    for the Asia Pacific region. APNIC
does not operate networks
Comment:    using this IP address range and is
not able to investigate
Comment:    spam or abuse reports relating to
these addresses. For more
Comment:    help, refer to
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Ref: https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-112-0-0-0-1


ResourceLink:
http://wq.apnic.net/whois-search/static/search.html

ResourceLink: whois.apnic.net 

Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Bill Prince]

The part I'm sitting on is pretty flat.

bp


On 2/18/2018 12:25 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
No, I don't think so. I read somewhere that it wouldn't launch when 
they tried.


But wait... you're trying to tell me the Earth really isn't flat??

On Feb 18, 2018 1:30 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote:


Did they ever get their rocket to fly to prove Earth is flat? 
Forget physics, math and science...trust your eyes

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 18, 2018 12:20 PM, "TJ Trout" > wrote:

You sound like a paranoid flat earther :)

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Robert
> wrote:

Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to
phone into my DNS servers...

On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a
software update?

-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of
those $300 PTZ
cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to
intrude from
inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when
the cameras start
up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's
the cameras
reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address

Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...

whois 112.124.0.188

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#
# If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
#
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#
# Use "?" to get help.
#

#
# The following results may also be obtained via:
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NetRange:   112.0.0.0 - 112.255.255.255

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NetName:    APNIC-112
NetHandle:  NET-112-0-0-0-1
Parent:  ()
NetType:    Allocated to APNIC
OriginAS:
Organization:   Asia Pacific Network Information
Centre (APNIC)
RegDate:    2008-05-26
Updated:    2010-07-30
Comment:    This IP address range is not
registered in the ARIN
database.
Comment:    For details, refer to the APNIC Whois
Database via
Comment: WHOIS.APNIC.NET  or
http://wq.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois.pl

Comment:    ** IMPORTANT NOTE: APNIC is the
Regional Internet Registry
Comment:    for the Asia Pacific region. APNIC
does not operate networks
Comment:    using this IP address range and is not
able to investigate
Comment:    spam or abuse reports relating to
these addresses. For more
Comment:    help, refer to
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Ref: https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-112-0-0-0-1


ResourceLink:
http://wq.apnic.net/whois-search/static/search.html

ResourceLink: whois.apnic.net 

OrgName:    Asia Pacific Network Information Centre
OrgId:  APNIC

Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Mathew Howard]

No, I don't think so. I read somewhere that it wouldn't launch when they
tried.

But wait... you're trying to tell me the Earth really isn't flat??

On Feb 18, 2018 1:30 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Did they ever get their rocket to fly to prove Earth is flat?  Forget
> physics, math and science...trust your eyes
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Feb 18, 2018 12:20 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:
>
> You sound like a paranoid flat earther :)
>
> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Robert  wrote:
>
>> Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my DNS
>> servers...
>>
>> On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software update?
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Robert
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...
>>>
>>> Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
>>> cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
>>> inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the cameras start
>>> up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
>>> reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address
>>>
>>> Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...
>>>
>>> whois 112.124.0.188
>>>
>>> #
>>> # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
>>> # available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html
>>> #
>>> # If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
>>> # https://www.arin.net/public/whoisinaccuracy/index.xhtml
>>> #
>>>
>>>
>>> #
>>> # Query terms are ambiguous.  The query is assumed to be:
>>> # "n 112.124.0.188"
>>> #
>>> # Use "?" to get help.
>>> #
>>>
>>> #
>>> # The following results may also be obtained via:
>>> #
>>> https://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=112.124.0.188?showDetails
>>> =true=false=false=netref2
>>> #
>>>
>>> NetRange:   112.0.0.0 - 112.255.255.255
>>> CIDR:   112.0.0.0/8
>>> NetName:APNIC-112
>>> NetHandle:  NET-112-0-0-0-1
>>> Parent:  ()
>>> NetType:Allocated to APNIC
>>> OriginAS:
>>> Organization:   Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC)
>>> RegDate:2008-05-26
>>> Updated:2010-07-30
>>> Comment:This IP address range is not registered in the ARIN
>>> database.
>>> Comment:For details, refer to the APNIC Whois Database via
>>> Comment:WHOIS.APNIC.NET or http://wq.apnic.net/apnic-bin/
>>> whois.pl
>>> Comment:** IMPORTANT NOTE: APNIC is the Regional Internet
>>> Registry
>>> Comment:for the Asia Pacific region. APNIC does not operate
>>> networks
>>> Comment:using this IP address range and is not able to
>>> investigate
>>> Comment:spam or abuse reports relating to these addresses. For
>>> more
>>> Comment:help, refer to
>>> http://www.apnic.net/apnic-info/whois_search2/abuse-and-spamming
>>> Ref:https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-112-0-0-0-1
>>>
>>> ResourceLink:  http://wq.apnic.net/whois-search/static/search.html
>>> ResourceLink:  whois.apnic.net
>>>
>>> OrgName:Asia Pacific Network Information Centre
>>> OrgId:  APNIC
>>> Address:PO Box 3646
>>> City:   South Brisbane
>>> StateProv:  QLD
>>> PostalCode: 4101
>>> Country:AU
>>> RegDate:
>>> Updated:2012-01-24
>>> Ref:https://whois.arin.net/rest/org/APNIC
>>>
>>> ReferralServer:  whois://whois.apnic.net
>>> ResourceLink:  http://wq.apnic.net/whois-search/static/search.html
>>>
>>> OrgTechHandle: AWC12-ARIN
>>> OrgTechName:   APNIC Whois Contact
>>> OrgTechPhone:  +61 7 3858 3188
>>> OrgTechEmail:  search-apnic-not-a...@apnic.net
>>> OrgTechRef:https://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/AWC12-ARIN
>>>
>>> OrgAbuseHandle: AWC12-ARIN
>>> OrgAbuseName:   APNIC Whois Contact
>>> OrgAbusePhone:  +61 7 3858 3188
>>> OrgAbuseEmail:  search-apnic-not-a...@apnic.net
>>> OrgAbuseRef:https://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/AWC12-ARIN
>>>
>>>
>>> #
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>>> #
>>> # If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
>>> # https://www.arin.net/public/whoisinaccuracy/index.xhtml
>>> #
>>>
>>> % [whois.apnic.net]
>>> % Whois data copyright termshttp://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html
>>>
>>> % Information related to '112.124.0.0 - 112.127.255.255'
>>>
>>> % Abuse contact for '112.124.0.0 - 112.127.255.255' is 'i...@cnnic.cn'
>>>
>>> inetnum:112.124.0.0 - 112.127.255.255
>>> netname:ALISOFT
>>> descr:  Aliyun Computing Co., LTD
>>> descr:  5F, Builing D, the West Lake International Plaza of S
>>> descr:  No.391 Wen
>>> 
>>> 'er Road, Hangzhou, Zhejiang, China
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Mathew Howard]

Yep... this always comes up. I think the consensus has always been that
it's easier for those of us who are willing, to just chip in occasionally
and keep it as is, then to mess with what's been working well.

On Feb 18, 2018 1:36 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:

> Seems like this same conversation came up last year.   Folks, if you don't
> want to pay, propose doing the work.   Seems like it's well worth 100 bucks
> for the enjoyment I get out of it.  I pay way more than that for things way
> less enjoyable, but necessary to keep peace at home...
>
> On 02/18/2018 11:30 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
>> Then is a pledge drive needed?
>>
>> Blacklists are the recipients problems. Not the mailing list owners
>> problem - as long as nothing shady is going on.
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:15, Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Those that run the list are happy to pay for not dealing with blacklists,
>>> etc. whatever SES provides.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> >> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> >> com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" > mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:12:56 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
>>>
>>> What is SES?  Amazon?
>>>
>>> That seems overkill for a mailing list.
>>>
>>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett > af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> SES
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> >> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> >> com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" >> >
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
>>>
>>> Support of what???
>>>
>>> What the heck costs that much?
>>>
>>> Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that.
>>>
>>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year
>>> including support, $1800 not including support.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Can it really be more than $5
>>>
>>> How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take
>>> when virtualized?
>>>
>>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate
>>> this list?
>>>
>>> On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit
>>> to help fund the
>>> not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list
>>> alive.
>>>
>>> Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the
>>> revenue created to
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net 
>>>
>>> Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9
>>> Mail. Please
>>> excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Matt Hoppes]

I’ll host it in a VM in my datacenter. 

Blacklists are the recipients problem though. As long as nothing funky is going 
on on the server. 

> On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:36, Robert Andrews  wrote:
> 
> Seems like this same conversation came up last year.   Folks, if you don't 
> want to pay, propose doing the work.   Seems like it's well worth 100 bucks 
> for the enjoyment I get out of it.  I pay way more than that for things way 
> less enjoyable, but necessary to keep peace at home...
> 
>> On 02/18/2018 11:30 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Then is a pledge drive needed?
>> Blacklists are the recipients problems. Not the mailing list owners problem 
>> - as long as nothing shady is going on.
>>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:15, Mike Hammett >> > wrote:
>>> Those that run the list are happy to pay for not dealing with blacklists, 
>>> etc. whatever SES provides.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" >> >
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:12:56 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
>>> 
>>> What is SES?  Amazon?
>>> 
>>> That seems overkill for a mailing list.
>>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>SES
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>-
>>>Mike Hammett
>>>Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>>
>>> 
>>>Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>>
>>> 
>>>The Brothers WISP 
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>*From: *"Matt Hoppes" >>>
>>>*To: *af@afmug.com 
>>>*Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
>>>*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
>>> 
>>>Support of what???
>>> 
>>>What the heck costs that much?
>>> 
>>>Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that.
>>> 
>>>On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray >>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year
>>>including support, $1800 not including support.
>>> 
>>>On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes
>>>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Can it really be more than $5
>>> 
>>>How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take
>>>when virtualized?
>>> 
>>>On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate
>>>this list?
>>> 
>>>On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to 
>>> help fund the
>>>not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.
>>> 
>>>Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the 
>>> revenue created to
>>>pa...@pdmnet.net 
>>> 
>>>Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 
>>> Mail. Please
>>>excuse my brevity.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Robert Andrews]

Seems like this same conversation came up last year.   Folks, if you 
don't want to pay, propose doing the work.   Seems like it's well worth 
100 bucks for the enjoyment I get out of it.  I pay way more than that 
for things way less enjoyable, but necessary to keep peace at home...


On 02/18/2018 11:30 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Then is a pledge drive needed?

Blacklists are the recipients problems. Not the mailing list owners 
problem - as long as nothing shady is going on.


On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:15, Mike Hammett > wrote:


Those that run the list are happy to pay for not dealing with 
blacklists, etc. whatever SES provides.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Matt Hoppes" >

*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:12:56 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

What is SES?  Amazon?

That seems overkill for a mailing list.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett > wrote:


SES



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Matt Hoppes" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

Support of what???

What the heck costs that much?

Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray > wrote:


Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year
including support, $1800 not including support.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes
> wrote:

Can it really be more than $5

How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take
when virtualized?

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John
> wrote:

Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate
this list?

On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown
> wrote:

I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help 
fund the
not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.

Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue 
created to
pa...@pdmnet.net 

Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?




-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please

excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Matt Hoppes]

Then is a pledge drive needed?

Blacklists are the recipients problems. Not the mailing list owners problem - 
as long as nothing shady is going on. 

> On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:15, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Those that run the list are happy to pay for not dealing with blacklists, 
> etc. whatever SES provides.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
> 
> What is SES?  Amazon?
> 
> That seems overkill for a mailing list. 
> 
> On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> SES
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
> 
> Support of what???
> 
> What the heck costs that much?
> 
> Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that. 
> 
> On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray  wrote:
> 
> 
> Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including 
> support, $1800 not including support. 
> 
>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> Can it really be more than $5
>> 
>> How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when virtualized?
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John  wrote:
>> 
>> Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?
>> 
>>> On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the 
>>> not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.
>>> 
>>> Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to 
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>> 
>>> Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Jaime Solorza]

Did they ever get their rocket to fly to prove Earth is flat?  Forget
physics, math and science...trust your eyes

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 18, 2018 12:20 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

You sound like a paranoid flat earther :)

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Robert  wrote:

> Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my DNS
> servers...
>
> On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software update?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert
>> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...
>>
>> Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
>> cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
>> inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the cameras start
>> up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
>> reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address
>>
>> Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...
>>
>> whois 112.124.0.188
>>
>> #
>> # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
>> # available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html
>> #
>> # If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
>> # https://www.arin.net/public/whoisinaccuracy/index.xhtml
>> #
>>
>>
>> #
>> # Query terms are ambiguous.  The query is assumed to be:
>> # "n 112.124.0.188"
>> #
>> # Use "?" to get help.
>> #
>>
>> #
>> # The following results may also be obtained via:
>> #
>> https://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=112.124.0.188?showDetails
>> =true=false=false=netref2
>> #
>>
>> NetRange:   112.0.0.0 - 112.255.255.255
>> CIDR:   112.0.0.0/8
>> NetName:APNIC-112
>> NetHandle:  NET-112-0-0-0-1
>> Parent:  ()
>> NetType:Allocated to APNIC
>> OriginAS:
>> Organization:   Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC)
>> RegDate:2008-05-26
>> Updated:2010-07-30
>> Comment:This IP address range is not registered in the ARIN
>> database.
>> Comment:For details, refer to the APNIC Whois Database via
>> Comment:WHOIS.APNIC.NET or http://wq.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois.pl
>> Comment:** IMPORTANT NOTE: APNIC is the Regional Internet Registry
>> Comment:for the Asia Pacific region. APNIC does not operate
>> networks
>> Comment:using this IP address range and is not able to investigate
>> Comment:spam or abuse reports relating to these addresses. For
>> more
>> Comment:help, refer to
>> http://www.apnic.net/apnic-info/whois_search2/abuse-and-spamming
>> Ref:https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-112-0-0-0-1
>>
>> ResourceLink:  http://wq.apnic.net/whois-search/static/search.html
>> ResourceLink:  whois.apnic.net
>>
>> OrgName:Asia Pacific Network Information Centre
>> OrgId:  APNIC
>> Address:PO Box 3646
>> City:   South Brisbane
>> StateProv:  QLD
>> PostalCode: 4101
>> Country:AU
>> RegDate:
>> Updated:2012-01-24
>> Ref:https://whois.arin.net/rest/org/APNIC
>>
>> ReferralServer:  whois://whois.apnic.net
>> ResourceLink:  http://wq.apnic.net/whois-search/static/search.html
>>
>> OrgTechHandle: AWC12-ARIN
>> OrgTechName:   APNIC Whois Contact
>> OrgTechPhone:  +61 7 3858 3188
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>> 
>> 'er Road, Hangzhou, Zhejiang, China
>> ,
>> 310099
>> country:CN
>> admin-c:ZM1015-AP
>> tech-c: ZM877-AP
>> tech-c: ZM876-AP
>> tech-c: ZM875-AP
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>> source: APNIC
>>
>> irt:

Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

what a scary subject linei thought moviepass had died.

  - Original Message - 
  From: TJ Trout 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...


  You sound like a paranoid flat earther :)


  On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Robert  wrote:

Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my DNS 
servers...

On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software update?

  -Original Message- From: Robert
  Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...


  Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
  cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
  inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the cameras start
  up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
  reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address

  Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...

  whois 112.124.0.188

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  inetnum:112.124.0.0 - 112.127.255.255
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Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Robert Andrews]

When it comes to my "red" network, yeah, I'm paranoid...   Two firewalls 
and now a forever sniffer...   Stuff like Nests and others that have 
back doors go between the firewalls...


On 02/18/2018 11:20 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

You sound like a paranoid flat earther :)

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Robert > wrote:


Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my
DNS servers...

On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software
update?

-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the
cameras start
up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address

Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...

whois 112.124.0.188

#
# ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
# available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html

#
# If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
# https://www.arin.net/public/whoisinaccuracy/index.xhtml

#


#
# Query terms are ambiguous.  The query is assumed to be:
# "n 112.124.0.188"
#
# Use "?" to get help.
#

#
# The following results may also be obtained via:
#

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RegDate:2008-05-26
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Comment:For details, refer to the APNIC Whois Database via
Comment: WHOIS.APNIC.NET  or
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Comment:for the Asia Pacific region. APNIC does not
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Comment:spam or abuse reports relating to these
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OrgAbuseName:   APNIC Whois Contact
OrgAbusePhone: +61 7 3858 3188 
OrgAbuseEmail: search-apnic-not-a...@apnic.net

OrgAbuseRef: 

Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[TJ Trout]

You sound like a paranoid flat earther :)

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Robert  wrote:

> Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my DNS
> servers...
>
> On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software update?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert
>> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...
>>
>> Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
>> cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
>> inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the cameras start
>> up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
>> reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address
>>
>> Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...
>>
>> whois 112.124.0.188
>>
>> #
>> # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
>> # available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html
>> #
>> # If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
>> # https://www.arin.net/public/whoisinaccuracy/index.xhtml
>> #
>>
>>
>> #
>> # Query terms are ambiguous.  The query is assumed to be:
>> # "n 112.124.0.188"
>> #
>> # Use "?" to get help.
>> #
>>
>> #
>> # The following results may also be obtained via:
>> #
>> https://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=112.124.0.188?showDetails
>> =true=false=false=netref2
>> #
>>
>> NetRange:   112.0.0.0 - 112.255.255.255
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>> NetHandle:  NET-112-0-0-0-1
>> Parent:  ()
>> NetType:Allocated to APNIC
>> OriginAS:
>> Organization:   Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC)
>> RegDate:2008-05-26
>> Updated:2010-07-30
>> Comment:This IP address range is not registered in the ARIN
>> database.
>> Comment:For details, refer to the APNIC Whois Database via
>> Comment:WHOIS.APNIC.NET or http://wq.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois.pl
>> Comment:** IMPORTANT NOTE: APNIC is the Regional Internet Registry
>> Comment:for the Asia Pacific region. APNIC does not operate
>> networks
>> Comment:using this IP address range and is not able to investigate
>> Comment:spam or abuse reports relating to these addresses. For
>> more
>> Comment:help, refer to
>> http://www.apnic.net/apnic-info/whois_search2/abuse-and-spamming
>> Ref:https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-112-0-0-0-1
>>
>> ResourceLink:  http://wq.apnic.net/whois-search/static/search.html
>> ResourceLink:  whois.apnic.net
>>
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>> OrgId:  APNIC
>> Address:PO Box 3646
>> City:   South Brisbane
>> StateProv:  QLD
>> PostalCode: 4101
>> Country:AU
>> RegDate:
>> Updated:2012-01-24
>> Ref:https://whois.arin.net/rest/org/APNIC
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>> ResourceLink:  http://wq.apnic.net/whois-search/static/search.html
>>
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>>
>> OrgAbuseHandle: AWC12-ARIN
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>> #
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>> # https://www.arin.net/public/whoisinaccuracy/index.xhtml
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>> % [whois.apnic.net]
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>>
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>>
>> % Abuse contact for '112.124.0.0 - 112.127.255.255' is 'i...@cnnic.cn'
>>
>> inetnum:112.124.0.0 - 112.127.255.255
>> netname:ALISOFT
>> descr:  Aliyun Computing Co., LTD
>> descr:  5F, Builing D, the West Lake International Plaza of S
>> descr:  No.391 Wen'er Road, Hangzhou, Zhejiang, China, 310099
>> country:CN
>> admin-c:ZM1015-AP
>> tech-c: ZM877-AP
>> tech-c: ZM876-AP
>> tech-c: ZM875-AP
>> mnt-by: MAINT-CNNIC-AP
>> mnt-irt:IRT-CNNIC-CN
>> status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE
>> last-modified:  2014-07-30T03:22:02Z
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>>
>> irt:IRT-CNNIC-CN
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>> e-mail: i...@cnnic.cn
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>> admin-c:IP50-AP
>> tech-c: IP50-AP
>> auth:   # Filtered
>> remarks:Please note that CNNIC is not an ISP and is not
>> remarks:empowered to investigate complaints of network abuse.
>> remarks:Please contact 

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Mike Hammett]

Those that run the list are happy to pay for not dealing with blacklists, etc. 
whatever SES provides. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:12:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive 



What is SES? Amazon? 


That seems overkill for a mailing list. 

On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 





SES 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes" < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive 



Support of what??? 


What the heck costs that much? 


Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that. 

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray < ryan...@gmail.com > wrote: 







Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including 
support, $1800 not including support. 



On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes < 
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > wrote: 





Can it really be more than $5 


How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when virtualized? 



On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John < keefe...@ethoplex.com > wrote: 




Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list? 


On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 

I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the 
not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive. 

Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to 
pa...@pdmnet.net 

Paul, what is the current status of our deficit? 






-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Matt Hoppes]

What is SES?  Amazon?

That seems overkill for a mailing list. 

> On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> SES
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
> 
> Support of what???
> 
> What the heck costs that much?
> 
> Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that. 
> 
> On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray  wrote:
> 
> 
> Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including 
> support, $1800 not including support. 
> 
>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> Can it really be more than $5
>> 
>> How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when virtualized?
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John  wrote:
>> 
>> Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?
>> 
>>> On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the 
>>> not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.
>>> 
>>> Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to 
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>> 
>>> Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Mike Hammett]

SES 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive 



Support of what??? 


What the heck costs that much? 


Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that. 

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray < ryan...@gmail.com > wrote: 







Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including 
support, $1800 not including support. 



On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes < 
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > wrote: 





Can it really be more than $5 


How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when virtualized? 



On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John < keefe...@ethoplex.com > wrote: 




Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list? 


On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 

I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the 
not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive. 

Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to 
pa...@pdmnet.net 

Paul, what is the current status of our deficit? 






-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Robert Andrews]

100 less than it was

On 02/18/2018 09:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the 
not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.


Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to 
pa...@pdmnet.net


Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Matt Hoppes]

Support of what???

What the heck costs that much?

Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that. 

> On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray  wrote:
> 
> 
> Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including 
> support, $1800 not including support. 
> 
>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> Can it really be more than $5
>> 
>> How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when virtualized?
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?
>>> 
 On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown  wrote:
 I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the 
 not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.
 
 Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to 
 pa...@pdmnet.net
 
 Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?
 
 
 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Ryan Ray]

Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including
support, $1800 not including support.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Can it really be more than $5
>
> How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when virtualized?
>
> On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John  wrote:
>
> Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?
>
> On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
>>
>> I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the
>> not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.
>>
>> Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?
>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Mike Hammett]

SES 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:41:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive 



Can it really be more than $5 


How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when virtualized? 

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John < keefe...@ethoplex.com > wrote: 




Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list? 


On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 

I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the 
not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive. 

Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to 
pa...@pdmnet.net 

Paul, what is the current status of our deficit? 






-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Matt Hoppes]

Can it really be more than $5

How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when virtualized?

> On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John  wrote:
> 
> Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?
> 
>> On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the 
>> not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.
>> 
>> Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to 
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>> 
>> Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Keefe John]

Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?

On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the 
>not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.
>
>Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to 
>pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Chuck McCown]

I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the 
not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.


Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to 
pa...@pdmnet.net


Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Chuck McCown]

Yep

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Didn't we (Chuck?) reverse-acronym AFMUG to be Advanced Fiber and
Microwave Users Group?


bp


On 2/18/2018 7:31 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
What poem was that? I think I remember some kind of poem that was put 
needle point and framed and given to someone.


Chuck McCown wrote:
Well, your poetry was read at one AnimalFarm...  you are a bit of a 
celebrity.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:07 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
Not that id show up, or ever did, but it seems the history of animal farm 
allowed alot of people to get their tip wet in the industry. The industry 
has changed, fiber is the new canopy. Why dont you guys turn this thing 
fiber centric? Animal farm 2.0 or 3.14 because only geeks go to stuff 
like that. Have a glass bakeoff. Enough of you are EE eggheads enough to 
build out an overpowered fiber laser array to poke fibers into a hog and 
green light roast it from the inside.

Just sayin, thats what id like to see pictures from
On Feb 16, 2018 4:55 PM, "David Coudron"  
wrote:


We’d be interested in that as well.

David Coudron

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 3:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93

On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some
construction machinery.

*From:*CBB - Jay Fuller

*Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei 
like


- Original Message -

*From:*SmarterBroadband

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to
justify the fairpark venue.

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we
held the first one.

I have modified the afmug.com  page a
bit reflecting that something is going to happen.

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.

*From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)

*Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

*To:*af

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open
space conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The
WISPA conferences aren't really set up well to handle this
type of thing.

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and
then breakout rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are
people standing up and suggesting topics to discuss, and
putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works
where you claim time on the agenda.   For larger groups,
you of course need more space since there tends to be more
things people want to discuss than there is time on the
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the
topic ends up leading it in the space they've claimed in
the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere
in Utah for something like this  I also wouldn't mind
taking the leadership role during the initial 20 minutes
to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a
self-organizing process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout 
wrote:

Chuck,

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no
real firm plan, just play around with some stuff?

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown
 wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel
   

Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was..

[Robert]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HTYW2Q4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8=1

On 2/18/18 8:23 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

It would be more useful to know what brand and source you bought from.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018, 10:12 AM Robert > wrote:


Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my DNS
servers...

On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 > You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software
update?
 >
 > -Original Message- From: Robert
 > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
 > To: af@afmug.com 
 > Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...
 >
 > Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
 > cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
 > inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the
cameras start
 > up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
 > reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address
 >
 > Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...
 >
 > whois 112.124.0.188
 >
 > #
 > # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
 > # available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html
 > #
 > # If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
 > # https://www.arin.net/public/whoisinaccuracy/index.xhtml
 > #
 >
 >
 > #
 > # Query terms are ambiguous.  The query is assumed to be:
 > # "n 112.124.0.188"
 > #
 > # Use "?" to get help.
 > #
 >
 > #
 > # The following results may also be obtained via:
 > #
 >

https://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=112.124.0.188?showDetails=true=false=false=netref2
 >
 > #
 >
 > NetRange:   112.0.0.0 - 112.255.255.255
 > CIDR: 112.0.0.0/8 
 > NetName:    APNIC-112
 > NetHandle:  NET-112-0-0-0-1
 > Parent:  ()
 > NetType:    Allocated to APNIC
 > OriginAS:
 > Organization:   Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC)
 > RegDate:    2008-05-26
 > Updated:    2010-07-30
 > Comment:    This IP address range is not registered in the ARIN
 > database.
 > Comment:    For details, refer to the APNIC Whois Database via
 > Comment: WHOIS.APNIC.NET  or
http://wq.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois.pl
 > Comment:    ** IMPORTANT NOTE: APNIC is the Regional Internet
Registry
 > Comment:    for the Asia Pacific region. APNIC does not operate
 > networks
 > Comment:    using this IP address range and is not able to
investigate
 > Comment:    spam or abuse reports relating to these
addresses. For more
 > Comment:    help, refer to
 > http://www.apnic.net/apnic-info/whois_search2/abuse-and-spamming
 > Ref: https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-112-0-0-0-1
 >
 > ResourceLink: http://wq.apnic.net/whois-search/static/search.html
 > ResourceLink: whois.apnic.net 
 >
 > OrgName:    Asia Pacific Network Information Centre
 > OrgId:  APNIC
 > Address:    PO Box 3646
 > City:   South Brisbane
 > StateProv:  QLD
 > PostalCode: 4101
 > Country:    AU
 > RegDate:
 > Updated:    2012-01-24
 > Ref: https://whois.arin.net/rest/org/APNIC
 >
 > ReferralServer:  whois://whois.apnic.net 
 > ResourceLink: http://wq.apnic.net/whois-search/static/search.html
 >
 > OrgTechHandle: AWC12-ARIN
 > OrgTechName:   APNIC Whois Contact
 > OrgTechPhone:  +61 7 3858 3188
 > OrgTechEmail: search-apnic-not-a...@apnic.net

 > OrgTechRef: https://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/AWC12-ARIN
 >
 > OrgAbuseHandle: AWC12-ARIN
 > OrgAbuseName:   APNIC Whois Contact
 > OrgAbusePhone:  +61 7 3858 3188
 > OrgAbuseEmail: search-apnic-not-a...@apnic.net

 > OrgAbuseRef: https://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/AWC12-ARIN
 >
 >
 > #
 > # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
 > # available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html
 > #
 > # If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
 > # https://www.arin.net/public/whoisinaccuracy/index.xhtml
 > #
 >
 > % [whois.apnic.net ]
 > % Whois data copyright terms http://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html
 >
 > % Information related to '112.124.0.0 - 112.127.255.255'
 >
 > % Abuse contact for '112.124.0.0 - 112.127.255.255' is
'i...@cnnic.cn '
 >
 > inetnum:    112.124.0.0 - 112.127.255.255
 > netname:    ALISOFT
 > descr:  

[AFMUG] Genset. Maybe a good deal, maybe not

[Lewis Bergman]

https://m.newegg.com/products/9SIA08C6V29837?utm_medium=Email_source=MP021818_mmc=EMC-MP021818-_-EMC-021818-Index-_-index-_-9SIA08C6V29837

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Bill Prince]

Didn't we (Chuck?) reverse-acronym AFMUG to be Advanced Fiber and 
Microwave Users Group?



bp


On 2/18/2018 7:31 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
What poem was that? I think I remember some kind of poem that was put 
needle point and framed and given to someone.


Chuck McCown wrote:
Well, your poetry was read at one AnimalFarm...  you are a bit of a 
celebrity.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:07 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
Not that id show up, or ever did, but it seems the history of animal 
farm allowed alot of people to get their tip wet in the industry. The 
industry has changed, fiber is the new canopy. Why dont you guys turn 
this thing fiber centric? Animal farm 2.0 or 3.14 because only geeks 
go to stuff like that. Have a glass bakeoff. Enough of you are EE 
eggheads enough to build out an overpowered fiber laser array to poke 
fibers into a hog and green light roast it from the inside.

Just sayin, thats what id like to see pictures from
On Feb 16, 2018 4:55 PM, "David Coudron" 
 wrote:


    We’d be interested in that as well.

    David Coudron

    *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
    *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 3:51 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

    Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93

    On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

    With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some
    construction machinery.

    *From:*CBB - Jay Fuller

    *Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM

    *To:*af@afmug.com

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

    sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei 
like


    - Original Message -

    *From:*SmarterBroadband

    *To:*af@afmug.com

    *Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

    I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

    Adam

    *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
    *ch...@wbmfg.com
    *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
    *To:* af 
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

    I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to
    justify the fairpark venue.

    I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we
    held the first one.

    I have modified the afmug.com  page a
    bit reflecting that something is going to happen.

    All but the home page.

    I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.

    *From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)

    *Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

    *To:*af

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

    I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open
    space conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The
    WISPA conferences aren't really set up well to handle this
    type of thing.

    Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and
    then breakout rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are
    people standing up and suggesting topics to discuss, and
    putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space
    and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works
    where you claim time on the agenda.   For larger groups,
    you of course need more space since there tends to be more
    things people want to discuss than there is time on the
    agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the
    topic ends up leading it in the space they've claimed in
    the timeslot assigned.

    I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere
    in Utah for something like this  I also wouldn't mind
    taking the leadership role during the initial 20 minutes
    to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done
    correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a
    self-organizing process).

    On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout 
    wrote:

    Chuck,

    I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no
    real firm plan, just play around with some stuff?

    TJ

    On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown
     wrote:

    Red Iguana

    We could do it kinda like it started.

    Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel
    conference room and whoever shows up shows up.

    Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

  

Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was..

[Lewis Bergman]

It would be more useful to know what brand and source you bought from.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018, 10:12 AM Robert  wrote:

> Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my DNS
> servers...
>
> On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software update?
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Robert
> > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...
> >
> > Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
> > cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
> > inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the cameras start
> > up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
> > reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address
> >
> > Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...
> >
> > whois 112.124.0.188
> >
> > #
> > # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
> > # available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html
> > #
> > # If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
> > # https://www.arin.net/public/whoisinaccuracy/index.xhtml
> > #
> >
> >
> > #
> > # Query terms are ambiguous.  The query is assumed to be:
> > # "n 112.124.0.188"
> > #
> > # Use "?" to get help.
> > #
> >
> > #
> > # The following results may also be obtained via:
> > #
> >
> https://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=112.124.0.188?showDetails=true=false=false=netref2
> >
> > #
> >
> > NetRange:   112.0.0.0 - 112.255.255.255
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> > Parent:  ()
> > NetType:Allocated to APNIC
> > OriginAS:
> > Organization:   Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC)
> > RegDate:2008-05-26
> > Updated:2010-07-30
> > Comment:This IP address range is not registered in the ARIN
> > database.
> > Comment:For details, refer to the APNIC Whois Database via
> > Comment:WHOIS.APNIC.NET or
> http://wq.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois.pl
> > Comment:** IMPORTANT NOTE: APNIC is the Regional Internet
> Registry
> > Comment:for the Asia Pacific region. APNIC does not operate
> > networks
> > Comment:using this IP address range and is not able to
> investigate
> > Comment:spam or abuse reports relating to these addresses. For
> more
> > Comment:help, refer to
> > http://www.apnic.net/apnic-info/whois_search2/abuse-and-spamming
> > Ref:https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-112-0-0-0-1
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> > OrgAbuseHandle: AWC12-ARIN
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> > OrgAbuseRef:https://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/AWC12-ARIN
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> >
> > % Abuse contact for '112.124.0.0 - 112.127.255.255' is 'i...@cnnic.cn'
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Robert]

Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my DNS 
servers...


On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software update?

-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the cameras start
up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address

Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...

whois 112.124.0.188

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# available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html
#
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#
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#

#
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Comment:    ** IMPORTANT NOTE: APNIC is the Regional Internet Registry
Comment:    for the Asia Pacific region. APNIC does not operate 
networks

Comment:    using this IP address range and is not able to investigate
Comment:    spam or abuse reports relating to these addresses. For more
Comment:    help, refer to
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Ref:    https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-112-0-0-0-1

ResourceLink:  http://wq.apnic.net/whois-search/static/search.html
ResourceLink:  whois.apnic.net

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RegDate:
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Ref:    https://whois.arin.net/rest/org/APNIC

ReferralServer:  whois://whois.apnic.net
ResourceLink:  http://wq.apnic.net/whois-search/static/search.html

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OrgTechRef:    https://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/AWC12-ARIN

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% Information related to '112.124.0.0 - 112.127.255.255'

% Abuse contact for '112.124.0.0 - 112.127.255.255' is 'i...@cnnic.cn'

inetnum:    112.124.0.0 - 112.127.255.255
netname:    ALISOFT
descr:  Aliyun Computing Co., LTD
descr:  5F, Builing D, the West Lake International Plaza of S
descr:  No.391 Wen'er Road, Hangzhou, Zhejiang, China, 310099
country:    CN
admin-c:    ZM1015-AP
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source: APNIC

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Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Chuck McCown]

You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software update?

-Original Message- 
From: Robert

Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the cameras start
up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address

Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...

whois 112.124.0.188

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Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Chuck McCown]

Resistance is futile.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert

Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the cameras start
up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address

Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...

whois 112.124.0.188

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[AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[Robert]

Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ 
cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from 
inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the cameras start 
up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras 
reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address


Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...

whois 112.124.0.188

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Re: [AFMUG] Lake level monitoring

[Jeremy]

They turn off the stations in the Winter.  They will probably be getting
them running here soon if this lack of Winter keeps up.  " The stations
employ float driven digital shaft encoders to measure the depth of the
water flowing through a calibrated weir. "
https://portals.exosite.com/views/1365620330/3749992313

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> We provide service to the local canal company to measure both levels and
> flow.  They have a hole dug out the side with a float in it, and a sensor
> measures the flow as it pushes by.  It runs to a device in a small box on a
> utility pole, and everything runs on a car battery and small solar panel.
> Not sure if this type of setup would work for a lake, but I cannot see why
> it wouldn't.
>
> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:
>
>> I have a pressure sensor coming.
>> will try connecting it to a sitemonitor..
>>
>> Roland
>>
>> > I have used submersible pressure on municipal water tank telemetry many
>> times.
>> I guess it would work equally well in a lake.
>> .433 psi per foot.
>>
>> From: Jaime Solorza
>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 1:10 PM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Lake level monitoring
>>
>> You could use a stilling well with ultrasonic, or a submersible pressure,
>> you
>> could do a capacitance probe
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2018 9:12 AM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
>>
>> I saw a system that used the same system for Water tower level measuring
>>
>> Installed a screened culvert vertical, about two feet off the bottom to
>> stop
>>
>> wave action and device float inside the culvert and a PLC controller with
>> a
>> radio link
>>
>> It seemed to work very well
>>
>> You might want to check and see what is used for sewer ponds as well
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>> On 2/16/2018 3:51 PM, Roland Houin wrote:
>>
>> I have a customer needing to monitor lake levels
>> need accurate method (gps hopefully) to measure level above msl.
>>
>> Anybody have any suggestions?
>>
>> Roland Houin
>> Fourway.Net <
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Lake level monitoring

[Jay Weekley]

I think that is my favorite idea.

Adam Moffett wrote:

Mark feet and inches on a pier and point a camera at it. :)


-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" >

To: "Animal Farm" >
Sent: 2/17/2018 3:34:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Lake level monitoring

Still well helps keep it more confined and precise... except in storm 
well where turbulence wreaks havoc on it.  Shake rattle and roll...


Jaime Solorza

On Feb 17, 2018 1:22 PM, > 
wrote:


I have used submersible pressure on municipal water tank
telemetry many times.
I guess it would work equally well in a lake.
.433 psi per foot.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Saturday, February 17, 2018 1:10 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Lake level monitoring
You could use a stilling well with ultrasonic, or a submersible
pressure, you could do a capacitance probe

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 17, 2018 9:12 AM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:

I saw a system that used the same system for Water tower
level measuring

Installed a screened culvert vertical, about two feet off the
bottom to stop

wave action and device float inside the culvert and a PLC
controller with a radio link

It seemed to work very well

You might want to check and see what is used for sewer ponds
as well

Mitch


On 2/16/2018 3:51 PM, Roland Houin wrote:

I have a customer needing to monitor lake levels
need accurate method (gps hopefully) to measure level
above msl.


Anybody have any suggestions?


Roland Houin
Fourway.Net





 
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Re: [AFMUG] Lake level monitoring

[Jeremy]

We provide service to the local canal company to measure both levels and
flow.  They have a hole dug out the side with a float in it, and a sensor
measures the flow as it pushes by.  It runs to a device in a small box on a
utility pole, and everything runs on a car battery and small solar panel.
Not sure if this type of setup would work for a lake, but I cannot see why
it wouldn't.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:

> I have a pressure sensor coming.
> will try connecting it to a sitemonitor..
>
> Roland
>
> > I have used submersible pressure on municipal water tank telemetry many
> times.
> I guess it would work equally well in a lake.
> .433 psi per foot.
>
> From: Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 1:10 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Lake level monitoring
>
> You could use a stilling well with ultrasonic, or a submersible pressure,
> you
> could do a capacitance probe
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Feb 17, 2018 9:12 AM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
>
> I saw a system that used the same system for Water tower level measuring
>
> Installed a screened culvert vertical, about two feet off the bottom to
> stop
>
> wave action and device float inside the culvert and a PLC controller with a
> radio link
>
> It seemed to work very well
>
> You might want to check and see what is used for sewer ponds as well
>
> Mitch
>
> On 2/16/2018 3:51 PM, Roland Houin wrote:
>
> I have a customer needing to monitor lake levels
> need accurate method (gps hopefully) to measure level above msl.
>
> Anybody have any suggestions?
>
> Roland Houin
> Fourway.Net <
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Jay Weekley]

What poem was that? I think I remember some kind of poem that was put 
needle point and framed and given to someone.


Chuck McCown wrote:
Well, your poetry was read at one AnimalFarm...  you are a bit of a 
celebrity.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:07 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
Not that id show up, or ever did, but it seems the history of animal 
farm allowed alot of people to get their tip wet in the industry. The 
industry has changed, fiber is the new canopy. Why dont you guys turn 
this thing fiber centric? Animal farm 2.0 or 3.14 because only geeks 
go to stuff like that. Have a glass bakeoff. Enough of you are EE 
eggheads enough to build out an overpowered fiber laser array to poke 
fibers into a hog and green light roast it from the inside.

Just sayin, thats what id like to see pictures from
On Feb 16, 2018 4:55 PM, "David Coudron" 
 wrote:


We’d be interested in that as well.

David Coudron

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 3:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Sign me up im in for full effect I havent been on a tank since '93

On 02/16/2018 02:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

With smoked dead animals and the chance to play on some
construction machinery.

*From:*CBB - Jay Fuller

*Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:21 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

sounds similar to a two-day CEO roundtablei likei like

- Original Message -

*From:*SmarterBroadband

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Sent:*Friday, February 16, 2018 1:09 PM

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I will be there (as long as dates are free)…..

Adam

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 8:01 AM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am not sure we will have large crowds as in the past to
justify the fairpark venue.

I am thinking that original hotel conference room where we
held the first one.

I have modified the afmug.com  page a
bit reflecting that something is going to happen.

All but the home page.

I cannot find that in the wordpress back end.

*From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)

*Sent:*Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:52 PM

*To:*af

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open
space conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting.  The
WISPA conferences aren't really set up well to handle this
type of thing.

Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and
then breakout rooms/areas.   The first 20 minutes are
people standing up and suggesting topics to discuss, and
putting those topics on an agenda board claming a space
and a time.   For smaller groups, a single room works
where you claim time on the agenda.   For larger groups,
you of course need more space since there tends to be more
things people want to discuss than there is time on the
agenda.   In the latter case, the person suggesting the
topic ends up leading it in the space they've claimed in
the timeslot assigned.

I sure wouldn't mind showing up at a hotel room somewhere
in Utah for something like this  I also wouldn't mind
taking the leadership role during the initial 20 minutes
to facilitate the topic 'selection' process (which if done
correctly isn't really as much a selection process as a
self-organizing process).

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, TJ Trout 
wrote:

Chuck,

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no
real firm plan, just play around with some stuff?

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown
 wrote:

Red Iguana

We could do it kinda like it started.

Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel
conference room and whoever shows up shows up.

Not sure what Wispa would think about that...

*From:*Cameron Crum

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: 

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820C radios not booting up - ideas?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

For initial installs, I typically have exactly the opposite experience.
Probably because when I actually do the system design it isn't a problem
since I use trusted power supplies which I carefully oversize.   This
creates a bit of a blind spot for me.  Because I only got involved in this
case after the radio was installed and not working (couldn't enable XPIC) I
wasn't aware that staff had used a substandard power supply *on both
ends*.  We're going to have to do a bit of training about power supply
sizing apparently.

In-the field failures?  Usually the power supply.




On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 11:04 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> In all fairness... I have been in various technical positions for the last
> 40+ years. The frequency of power as the source of the problem, whatever it
> may be, is more than pretty much any other cause.
>
> Always. Always. Always. Check the power.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/17/2018 9:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Hey, thanks everyone for the suggestions about the power supply.   I'm
> really not sure why that didn't occur to me since I've been bitten by that
> in the past, and it's pretty common for me to ask customers the exact same
> question.  I'm going to blame it on insufficent sleep and working on it way
> too late.
>
> The problem did turn out to be an issue with an undersized power supply
> preventing the radio from powering on after both radios got enabled.   They
> swapped the ones they had with a stronger one in the form factor they're
> dealing with (DIN mount), and the radios powered right up.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> What is funny is that they swapped the crap 24V din rail 1.7A thing they
>> had for a packetflux supplied 48V power supply and it seems to be working.
>>
>> Thanks for everyone for the pointers and reminding me of what I already
>> knew.   Part of the issue here is that I haven't physically touched these
>> radios or seen the electrical config, and am relying on staff at the WISP.
>>  Someone missed the whole wattage thing, and in fairness to staff, the 820c
>> 'assured installation' manual is less than forthcoming about the power
>> supply requirements, so unless you know to go look for the radio wattage,
>> this is something easily missed.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> I may have just fallen off the turnip truck, but I know this company
>>> called Packetflux that makes a thing called a SiteMonitor that you could
>>> use to monitor the input voltage and current if you were so inclined.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2018 11:52 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, clarification, this still might be a power issue, checking on
>>> this...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'm awake again.   Apparently these are the stock 820c ac power
 supplies.


 On Feb 17, 2018 11:32 AM, "Roland Houin"  wrote:

> Agree, could be inadequate power.
> when activating the second core, it takes more power..
> we have tried using sync injectors, work with 1 core, too much load
> for 2nd core.
>
> Roland
>
>
> > Sounds like a watchdog timer or a power supply overheating and
> folding.
>
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:41 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP820C radios not booting up - ideas?
>
> If I'm reading this right, it worked at some point where you could
> configure it?
> This implies that something is wonky in your configuration. If you
> have it
> connected to a Mikrotik, you could scan for IPs and/or MAC addresses
> to see if
> it somehow is changing its IP or something.
>
> Is someone onsite to check, or is this all happening remotely?
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/17/2018 3:19 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> So we have a new (i.e. put into production in the last couple of days)
> pair of
> 820C radios. I discovered earlier tonight that XPIC was not enabled on
> the
> radios, limiting throughput.
>
> In the process of enabling XPIC, we made some changes to the config,
> rebooted
> both ends, and now neither end will boot fully. We see the interfaces
> come up
> for about 30 seconds every 2.5 minutes, then they drop off and the
> cycle
> repeats.
>
> We've tried power cycling both ends. We've tried powering off one end
> in hopes
> it was related to the radios talking to each other.
>
> We have also attempted to get in with the 'splitter cable' on the
> management
> port. Using the provided IP addresses,