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- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 3:10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Laying your own fiber?
Avoid CLEC. Unnecessary expense and paperwork. And now, with the latest
around the content providers rules against such a thing. Again, no money in
it.
From: Zephyr Broadband
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Laying your own fiber?
So we've started looking at trenching our own fiber but we've run into a couple
roadbl
VDOC
IPTV Video over DOCSIS
So, what is that?
TV over IP over TV
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Laying your own fiber?
We're moving to a position where "cable companies" won't be putting in too much
ca
Say you are TV if it help you get the permit. Deny you are TV it it helps.
Easy to play both sides of that issue.
-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Laying your own fiber?
I don't see how these are
the residents come forward and push for a change.
That has worked for me too.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Zephyr Broadband
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Laying your own fiber?
So we've started looking at trenching our own
e or FIOS.
-Original Message- From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 7:31 PM
To: Josh Reynolds
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Laying your own fiber?
Josh,
That is a very interesting question. Even better what happens when
sony/ms/dish all create virtual cable companies. If
From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 7:31 PM
To: Josh Reynolds
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Laying your own fiber?
Josh,
That is a very interesting question. Even better what happens when
sony/ms/dish all create virtual cable companies. If I'm not selling
the service why wou
what that is.
> You may need a franchise agreement. That depends on the city or county.
> But that is straightforward.
>
> If on poles, much more paperwork and regulation.
>
> *From:* Zephyr Broadband
> *Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2015 10:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subjec
they are discriminating against you.
JR> *From:* Mike Hammett *Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2015
4:04 PM
JR> *To:* af@afmug.com*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Laying your own fiber?
JR> Go to your state level elected officials. Tell them you need ROW access
JR> and until now you could hav
you.
*From:* Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2015 4:04 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Laying your own fiber?
Go to your state level elected officials. Tell them you need ROW access
and until now you could have done it by being a CLEC, but the PUC is no
longer honoring
have to treat you
> as a peer with the CATV.
>
> I would pressure any authority to cite you chapter and verse if they deny
> you. Otherwise they are discriminating against you.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2015 4:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sub
authority to cite you chapter and verse if they deny you.
Otherwise they are discriminating against you.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Laying your own fiber?
Go to your state level elected officials. Tell them you need ROW
uot;Zephyr Broadband"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:56:58 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Laying your own fiber?
So we've started looking at trenching our own fiber but we've run into a couple
roadblocks and I thought I'd reach out to the list and see if others
witch?
Can they even do that? I don't know, I'm not an attorney.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: "Zephyr Broadband"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 12:12:31 PM
Subject: Re
ends on the city or county. But
that is straightforward.
If on poles, much more paperwork and regulation.
From: Zephyr Broadband
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Laying your own fiber?
So we've started looking at trenching our own fiber but
I spent a bunch of time researching this in Ohio.
Ohio has regulations in place for pole attach / duct access for ISP’s along
with a requirement for tariffed rates from the pole owners. Curiously even
though as an ISP we can go on the poles, we still have to obtain permission to
be in whatever
Wow, I guess we were lucky. We just asked the county and they let us
submit permits for the use of the ROW.
In our case we used an engineer that has been working with the county
for years to draw up the permits.
You may want to start talking to some of the local engineers or
contractors that do
Then I guess your option is to get a franchise. Doesn't matter if you are
doing video or not.
Regards,
Chuck
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Zephyr Broadband wrote:
> We're doing that where we can, but the lack of reasonable tower/roof
> access makes network planning a pain in the ass. We had
-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 12:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Laying your own fiber?
AFAIK, the 2 primary ways to get access to ROW for most of the US is a
Franchise agreement and/or CLEC certification. This gets you into the Utility
ROW
We're doing that where we can, but the lack of reasonable tower/roof access
makes network planning a pain in the ass. We had looked at FTTH in select
neighborhoods, but getting ROW acccess has proven to be tougher than we
expected. Shame on us for wanting to compete with the incumbant telco &
cable
>
> AFAIK, the 2 primary ways to get access to ROW for most of the US is a
> Franchise agreement and/or CLEC certification. This gets you into the
> Utility ROW Easements without issues. Many properties have ROW Utility
> easements.
>
> If you plan to do Video, you might as well do the CATV franc
Yeah, I'd stay away from video. It is nice if you're competing with
cablecos, but the payoff just isn't there. I'd try just blowing the
cableco's internet speeds out of the water to stay competitive.
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> AFAIK, the 2 primary ways to get access
AFAIK, the 2 primary ways to get access to ROW for most of the US is a
Franchise agreement and/or CLEC certification. This gets you into the
Utility ROW Easements without issues. Many properties have ROW Utility
easements.
If you plan to do Video, you might as well do the CATV franchise
agreemen
So we've started looking at trenching our own fiber but we've run into a
couple roadblocks and I thought I'd reach out to the list and see if others
have run into similar issues. Obviously this is location and jurisdiction
dependent, but we can't seem to get anyone from City Hall to return our
call
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