Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I spent years with in-house developers.  The product was never done.  It worked 
but it required continual work.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 4:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

If it is the same wisp I'm thinking of, they "are not married" to BillMax, but 
it is what they started with and they have in house developers which makes 
having a billing only system with a decent API not such a bad thing. You are 
going to spend your money one way or another when it comes to your OSS systems. 
You are either going to pay per sub for an all inclusive package, pay for each 
tool (and employees) you need individually, or pay a developer to write your 
own. It all depends on your preference and comfort level. All-in-one has all 
your info tied together, a nice plus. If you have a bunch of employees who 
don't mind the double, triple, or quadruple entry into  multiple systems, 
that's great, you're helping the economy. If you have deep pockets and want a 
custom tailored solution, then you get exactly what you are willing to pay for 
providing you have the patience to wait for it and your dev doesn't get a 
better offer half way through. There are trade-offs everywhere. 

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 10:23 PM Daniel White  wrote:

  Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last week, I was a 
bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are very happy with it.  Billmax 
probably doesn't get enough discussion in the community IMHO.


   Daniel White
  Co-Founder 
  phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
  direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
 
   

Forrest Christian (List Account)May 6, 2021 at 16:14
I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.It's less 
expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles.




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Chuck McCown via AFMay 6, 2021 at 15:40
Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for me years 
ago.


Sent from my iPhone




Jesse DuPontMay 6, 2021 at 15:01
We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another - 
they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400 subs using 
the free MSSQL license. No issues.

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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Cameron Crum]

If it is the same wisp I'm thinking of, they "are not married" to BillMax,
but it is what they started with and they have in house developers
which makes having a billing only system with a decent API not such a bad
thing. You are going to spend your money one way or another when it comes
to your OSS systems. You are either going to pay per sub for an all
inclusive package, pay for each tool (and employees) you need individually,
or pay a developer to write your own. It all depends on your preference and
comfort level. All-in-one has all your info tied together, a nice plus. If
you have a bunch of employees who don't mind the double, triple, or
quadruple entry into  multiple systems, that's great, you're helping the
economy. If you have deep pockets and want a custom tailored solution, then
you get exactly what you are willing to pay for providing you have the
patience to wait for it and your dev doesn't get a better offer half way
through. There are trade-offs everywhere.

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 10:23 PM Daniel White  wrote:

> Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last week, I was a
> bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are very happy with it.
> Billmax probably doesn't get enough discussion in the community IMHO.
>
> [image: photograph]
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
> Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> May 6, 2021 at 16:14
> I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.It's less
> expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles.
>
>
>
> --
> - Forrest
>
>
> Chuck McCown via AF 
> May 6, 2021 at 15:40
> Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for me years
> ago.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> Jesse DuPont 
> May 6, 2021 at 15:01
> We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another -
> they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400 subs
> using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
> On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Steve Jones]

Somebody had to say it

On Sat, May 8, 2021, 9:29 AM Darin Steffl  wrote:

> I would never trust Ubiquiti to handle my source of income. They're junk
> with no real support.
>
> On Sat, May 8, 2021, 8:40 AM Robert  wrote:
>
>> Right up until ubnt kicks non-ubiquiti people off and sues them...
>>
>> On 5/8/21 12:28 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:
>>
>> sign up for stripe
>>
>> Then setup UISP
>>
>> you don't need to use any Ubiquiti devices to use a self-hosted UISP CRM
>> especially not if you don't want any of the fancy stuff it dose
>>
>> really the best truly FREE option
>>
>> if you want to pay then I would go with Sonar
>>
>> if you want to pay a ton then powercode
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Daniel White  wrote:
>>
>>> Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last week, I was
>>> a bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are very happy with it.
>>> Billmax probably doesn't get enough discussion in the community IMHO.
>>>
>>> [image: photograph]
>>> Daniel White
>>> Co-Founder
>>> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
>>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>>>
>>> Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>>> May 6, 2021 at 16:14
>>> I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.It's
>>> less expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> - Forrest
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> May 6, 2021 at 15:40
>>> Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for me
>>> years ago.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jesse DuPont 
>>> May 6, 2021 at 15:01
>>> We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another -
>>> they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400 subs
>>> using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
>>> On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Robert Andrews]

Quicksand is a degraded form of rock...

On 05/08/2021 01:45 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I will not build anything upon the rock of UBNT.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Saturday, May 8, 2021 12:44 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

My bigger fear with Ubiquiti is that they'll abandon it.  They are not 
shy about leaving an old product behind.


On 5/8/2021 9:39 AM, Robert wrote:

Right up until ubnt kicks non-ubiquiti people off and sues them...

On 5/8/21 12:28 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:

sign up for stripe

Then setup UISP
you don't need to use any Ubiquiti devices to use a self-hosted UISP CRM
especially not if you don't want any of the fancy stuff it dose
really the best truly FREE option
if you want to pay then I would go with Sonar
if you want to pay a ton then powercode
On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Daniel White  wrote:

Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last
week, I was a bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are
very happy with it.  Billmax probably doesn't get enough
discussion in the community IMHO.

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone:+1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


Forrest Christian (List Account)
May 6, 2021 at 16:14
I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.   
It's less expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and

whistles.


-- 
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Chuck McCown via AF
May 6, 2021 at 15:40
Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine
for me years ago.

Sent from my iPhone


Jesse DuPont
May 6, 2021 at 15:01
We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in
another - they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're
billing 6400 subs using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Robert Andrews]

Taking lessons from Google on that...

On 05/08/2021 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
My bigger fear with Ubiquiti is that they'll abandon it.  They are not 
shy about leaving an old product behind.



On 5/8/2021 9:39 AM, Robert wrote:

Right up until ubnt kicks non-ubiquiti people off and sues them...

On 5/8/21 12:28 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:

sign up for stripe

Then setup UISP

you don't need to use any Ubiquiti devices to use a self-hosted UISP CRM
especially not if you don't want any of the fancy stuff it dose

really the best truly FREE option

if you want to pay then I would go with Sonar

if you want to pay a ton then powercode



On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Daniel White > wrote:


Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last
week, I was a bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are
very happy with it.  Billmax probably doesn't get enough
discussion in the community IMHO.

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


Forrest Christian (List Account) 
May 6, 2021 at 16:14
I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.   
It's less expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and

whistles.



-- 
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Chuck McCown via AF 
May 6, 2021 at 15:40
Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine
for me years ago.

Sent from my iPhone



Jesse DuPont 
May 6, 2021 at 15:01
We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in
another - they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're
billing 6400 subs using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:





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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I will not build anything upon the rock of UBNT.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 12:44 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

My bigger fear with Ubiquiti is that they'll abandon it.  They are not shy 
about leaving an old product behind.



On 5/8/2021 9:39 AM, Robert wrote:

  Right up until ubnt kicks non-ubiquiti people off and sues them...


  On 5/8/21 12:28 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:

sign up for stripe

Then setup UISP 

you don't need to use any Ubiquiti devices to use a self-hosted UISP CRM
especially not if you don't want any of the fancy stuff it dose 

really the best truly FREE option 

if you want to pay then I would go with Sonar

if you want to pay a ton then powercode 



On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Daniel White  wrote:

  Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last week, I was 
a bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are very happy with it.  Billmax 
probably doesn't get enough discussion in the community IMHO.


   Daniel White
  Co-Founder 
  phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
  direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
 
   

Forrest Christian (List Account)May 6, 2021 at 16:14
I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.It's 
less expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles.




-- 

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Chuck McCown via AFMay 6, 2021 at 15:40
Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for me 
years ago.


Sent from my iPhone


 

Jesse DuPontMay 6, 2021 at 15:01
We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another - 
they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400 subs using 
the free MSSQL license. No issues.

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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Adam Moffett]

My bigger fear with Ubiquiti is that they'll abandon it.  They are not 
shy about leaving an old product behind.



On 5/8/2021 9:39 AM, Robert wrote:

Right up until ubnt kicks non-ubiquiti people off and sues them...

On 5/8/21 12:28 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:

sign up for stripe

Then setup UISP

you don't need to use any Ubiquiti devices to use a self-hosted UISP CRM
especially not if you don't want any of the fancy stuff it dose

really the best truly FREE option

if you want to pay then I would go with Sonar

if you want to pay a ton then powercode



On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Daniel White > wrote:


Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last
week, I was a bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are
very happy with it.  Billmax probably doesn't get enough
discussion in the community IMHO.

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


Forrest Christian (List Account) 
May 6, 2021 at 16:14
I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.   
It's less expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and
whistles.



-- 
- Forrest



Chuck McCown via AF 
May 6, 2021 at 15:40
Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine
for me years ago.

Sent from my iPhone



Jesse DuPont 
May 6, 2021 at 15:01
We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in
another - they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're
billing 6400 subs using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Darin Steffl]

I would never trust Ubiquiti to handle my source of income. They're junk
with no real support.

On Sat, May 8, 2021, 8:40 AM Robert  wrote:

> Right up until ubnt kicks non-ubiquiti people off and sues them...
>
> On 5/8/21 12:28 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:
>
> sign up for stripe
>
> Then setup UISP
>
> you don't need to use any Ubiquiti devices to use a self-hosted UISP CRM
> especially not if you don't want any of the fancy stuff it dose
>
> really the best truly FREE option
>
> if you want to pay then I would go with Sonar
>
> if you want to pay a ton then powercode
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Daniel White  wrote:
>
>> Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last week, I was
>> a bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are very happy with it.
>> Billmax probably doesn't get enough discussion in the community IMHO.
>>
>> [image: photograph]
>> Daniel White
>> Co-Founder
>> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>>
>> Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>> May 6, 2021 at 16:14
>> I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.It's
>> less expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> - Forrest
>>
>>
>> Chuck McCown via AF 
>> May 6, 2021 at 15:40
>> Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for me
>> years ago.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> Jesse DuPont 
>> May 6, 2021 at 15:01
>> We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another -
>> they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400 subs
>> using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
>> On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Robert]

Right up until ubnt kicks non-ubiquiti people off and sues them...

On 5/8/21 12:28 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:

sign up for stripe

Then setup UISP

you don't need to use any Ubiquiti devices to use a self-hosted UISP CRM
especially not if you don't want any of the fancy stuff it dose

really the best truly FREE option

if you want to pay then I would go with Sonar

if you want to pay a ton then powercode



On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Daniel White > wrote:


Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last week,
I was a bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are very happy
with it.  Billmax probably doesn't get enough discussion in the
community IMHO.

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


Forrest Christian (List Account) 
May 6, 2021 at 16:14
I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.   
It's less expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and
whistles.



-- 
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Chuck McCown via AF 
May 6, 2021 at 15:40
Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for
me years ago.

Sent from my iPhone



Jesse DuPont 
May 6, 2021 at 15:01
We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in
another - they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're
billing 6400 subs using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:





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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Timothy Steele]

sign up for stripe

Then setup UISP

you don't need to use any Ubiquiti devices to use a self-hosted UISP CRM
especially not if you don't want any of the fancy stuff it dose

really the best truly FREE option

if you want to pay then I would go with Sonar

if you want to pay a ton then powercode



On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Daniel White  wrote:

> Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last week, I was a
> bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are very happy with it.
> Billmax probably doesn't get enough discussion in the community IMHO.
>
> [image: photograph]
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
> Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> May 6, 2021 at 16:14
> I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.It's less
> expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles.
>
>
>
> --
> - Forrest
>
>
> Chuck McCown via AF 
> May 6, 2021 at 15:40
> Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for me years
> ago.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> Jesse DuPont 
> May 6, 2021 at 15:01
> We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another -
> they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400 subs
> using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
> On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Daniel White]

Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last week, I was
a bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are very happy with it. 
Billmax probably doesn't get enough discussion in the community IMHO.

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766

> Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> May 6, 2021 at 16:14
> I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.    It's
> less expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles.
>
>
>
> -- 
> - Forrest
>
>
> Chuck McCown via AF 
> May 6, 2021 at 15:40
> Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for me
> years ago.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> Jesse DuPont 
> May 6, 2021 at 15:01
> We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another -
> they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400 subs
> using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
> On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Bill Prince]

  
  
That's what my recollection is.

bp

On 5/7/2021 1:19 PM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  Looks like we are settling on Plat and IPPay.
   
  I think I may have been IPPay’s first customer back in
the day.
   
  That was a Charles Wu production, right?
  

   
  
From: Chuck
McCown via AF 
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 4:48 PM
To: Forrest Christian (List
Account) 
Cc: Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
  

 
  
  Yes, so
far that is all we are looking for.

Sent from my iPhone

  On May 6, 2021, at 4:14 PM,
Forrest Christian (List Account)
 wrote:

  


  
I'd also consider Billmax if you're
  looking for billing only.    It's less expensive
  because it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles.
 

  On Thu, May 6, 2021
at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
wrote:
  
  
Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with
  plat.  Worked fine for me years ago.
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On May 6, 2021, at 3:01
  PM, Jesse DuPont <jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net>
  wrote:
  

  
  
 We are current Plat customer
  (in one WISP, using Emerald in another -
  they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP,
  we're billing 6400 subs using the free MSSQL
  license. No issues.
  

  Jesse DuPont
  Owner
/ Network Architect
email:
jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
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  On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
  
  
Our Plat install uses the Free MS SQL
  license.  It has some kind of limit on
  processor power or some such, but if Plat
  ever hit the limit I couldn't tell.
.I don't know if MS still has a free
  version though.  Our Plat install is OLD.
 
 
On 5/6/2021 11:54 AM, Sterling Jacobson
  wrote:


  
I’m pretty sure
  even a few years ago when I migrated
  from Plat to Sonar, that Plat had
  fixed that internally with an update.
But Chuck could
  verify that with them.
 
And yes, you will
  need to host it yourself, unless there
  is a third party, or they have a
  recommended hosting third party.
I forget if they
  had that service or not, but you could
  ask them about that too.
 
Otherwise I think
  it does need at least a VM with
  windows and some form of MS SQL
 

Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Looks like we are settling on Plat and IPPay.

I think I may have been IPPay’s first customer back in the day.

That was a Charles Wu production, right?

From: Chuck McCown via AF 
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 4:48 PM
To: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Cc: Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

Yes, so far that is all we are looking for.


Sent from my iPhone


  On May 6, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:


   
  I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.It's less 
expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles.

  On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for me years 
ago.


Sent from my iPhone


  On May 6, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Jesse DuPont  
wrote:


   We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another - 
they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400 subs using 
the free MSSQL license. No issues.

   
  Jesse DuPont

  Owner / Network Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband

   

  On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Our Plat install uses the Free MS SQL license.  It has some kind of 
limit on processor power or some such, but if Plat ever hit the limit I 
couldn't tell.

.I don't know if MS still has a free version though.  Our Plat 
install is OLD.





On 5/6/2021 11:54 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

  I’m pretty sure even a few years ago when I migrated from Plat to 
Sonar, that Plat had fixed that internally with an update.

  But Chuck could verify that with them.



  And yes, you will need to host it yourself, unless there is a third 
party, or they have a recommended hosting third party.

  I forget if they had that service or not, but you could ask them 
about that too.



  Otherwise I think it does need at least a VM with windows and some 
form of MS SQL license…



  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
  Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:50 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing



  I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems 
I've seen even within the last few months, they are still storing credit cards 
in plain text in the DB. 



  On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:

Do I have to host Plat?



From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing



I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active 
customers.





From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing



We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell 
us is that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that 
they are happy for us to be a QB customer...



So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly 
journal entry to move over the revenue.



Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with 
cards.  Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant 
percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall cost 
to the company.



Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t 
need any management of my network just simple recurring billing.  




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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Adam Moffett]

You live in a free country, so your future is whatever you choose for it 
to be.


Dad jokes are definitely a free choice.


On 5/7/2021 10:11 AM, dave via AF wrote:

OMG.. is this my future in in 10 years


On 5/7/21 8:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Does razor sharp wit count?

On 5/7/2021 9:42 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


I haven't shaved for 45 years. Don't even own a razor.

bp

On 5/6/2021 9:18 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:


When you're 67 your pencil-lead will be broken and your razor won't 
shave


On 5/6/21 2:36 PM, dave via AF wrote:
If my mind is still as sharp as it is today when im 67 I will take 
my time in retirement after visiting the oceans and mountains in 
our nation and write a complete open source product for ease of use.



On 5/6/21 4:30 PM, dave via AF wrote:

Freeside was the goto when support was good and available
We still use it heavily and its completely free outside of 
outside support cost to help with new upgrades and modules.

I am pushing to find another open source that is widely supported.
It now has inventory accounting as well.


On 5/6/21 9:56 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will 
tell us is that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA 
internet service and that they are happy for us to be a QB 
customer...
So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly 
journal entry to move over the revenue.
Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with 
cards.  Anything free out there that makes their money from the 
merchant percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just 
the lowest overall cost to the company.
Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I 
don’t need any management of my network just simple recurring 
billing.

















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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[dave via AF]

OMG.. is this my future in in 10 years


On 5/7/21 8:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Does razor sharp wit count?

On 5/7/2021 9:42 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


I haven't shaved for 45 years. Don't even own a razor.

bp

On 5/6/2021 9:18 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:


When you're 67 your pencil-lead will be broken and your razor won't 
shave


On 5/6/21 2:36 PM, dave via AF wrote:
If my mind is still as sharp as it is today when im 67 I will take 
my time in retirement after visiting the oceans and mountains in 
our nation and write a complete open source product for ease of use.



On 5/6/21 4:30 PM, dave via AF wrote:

Freeside was the goto when support was good and available
We still use it heavily and its completely free outside of outside 
support cost to help with new upgrades and modules.

I am pushing to find another open source that is widely supported.
It now has inventory accounting as well.


On 5/6/21 9:56 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will 
tell us is that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA 
internet service and that they are happy for us to be a QB 
customer...
So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly 
journal entry to move over the revenue.
Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with 
cards.  Anything free out there that makes their money from the 
merchant percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just 
the lowest overall cost to the company.
Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I 
don’t need any management of my network just simple recurring 
billing.
















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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Adam Moffett]

Does razor sharp wit count?

On 5/7/2021 9:42 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


I haven't shaved for 45 years. Don't even own a razor.

bp

On 5/6/2021 9:18 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:


When you're 67 your pencil-lead will be broken and your razor won't shave

On 5/6/21 2:36 PM, dave via AF wrote:
If my mind is still as sharp as it is today when im 67 I will take 
my time in retirement after visiting the oceans and mountains in our 
nation and write a complete open source product for ease of use.



On 5/6/21 4:30 PM, dave via AF wrote:

Freeside was the goto when support was good and available
We still use it heavily and its completely free outside of outside 
support cost to help with new upgrades and modules.

I am pushing to find another open source that is widely supported.
It now has inventory accounting as well.


On 5/6/21 9:56 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will 
tell us is that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA 
internet service and that they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly 
journal entry to move over the revenue.
Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with 
cards.  Anything free out there that makes their money from the 
merchant percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the 
lowest overall cost to the company.
Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t 
need any management of my network just simple recurring billing.












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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I haven't shaved for 45 years. Don't even own a razor.

bp

On 5/6/2021 9:18 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:


  
  When you're 67 your pencil-lead will be broken and your razor
won't shave
  
  On 5/6/21 2:36 PM, dave via AF wrote:
  
  

If my mind is still as sharp as it is today when im 67 I will
take my time in retirement after visiting the oceans and
mountains in our nation and write a complete open source product
for ease of use.


  
On 5/6/21 4:30 PM, dave via AF
  wrote:


  
  Freeside was the goto when support was good and available
  We still use it heavily and its completely free outside of
  outside support cost to help with new upgrades and modules.
  I am pushing to find another open source that is widely
  supported. 
  It now has inventory accounting as well.
   
  

  On 5/6/21 9:56 AM, Chuck McCown
via AF wrote:
  
  


  
We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only
  thing they will tell us is that they don’t approve of
  our “products”.  AKA internet service and that they
  are happy for us to be a QB customer...
 
So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just
  do a monthly journal entry to move over the revenue.
 
Something cheap with the ability for the customer
  to pay with cards.  Anything free out there that makes
  their money from the merchant percentage?  I guess I
  don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall cost
  to the company.
 
Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another
  company.  I don’t need any management of my network
  just simple recurring billing.  
  



  
  
  
  




  
  
  

  

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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Jan-GAMs]

When you're 67 your pencil-lead will be broken and your razor won't shave

On 5/6/21 2:36 PM, dave via AF wrote:
If my mind is still as sharp as it is today when im 67 I will take my 
time in retirement after visiting the oceans and mountains in our 
nation and write a complete open source product for ease of use.



On 5/6/21 4:30 PM, dave via AF wrote:

Freeside was the goto when support was good and available
We still use it heavily and its completely free outside of outside 
support cost to help with new upgrades and modules.

I am pushing to find another open source that is widely supported.
It now has inventory accounting as well.


On 5/6/21 9:56 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell 
us is that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet 
service and that they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly 
journal entry to move over the revenue.
Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with 
cards.  Anything free out there that makes their money from the 
merchant percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the 
lowest overall cost to the company.
Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t 
need any management of my network just simple recurring billing.








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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Yes, so far that is all we are looking for.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.It's less 
> expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles.
> 
>> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>> Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for me years 
>> ago.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On May 6, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Jesse DuPont  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>  We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another - 
>>> they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400 subs 
>>> using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
>>> 
>>> Jesse DuPont
>>> 
>>> Owner / Network Architect
>>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
>>> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
>>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>>> 
>>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>> Our Plat install uses the Free MS SQL license.  It has some kind of limit 
>>>> on processor power or some such, but if Plat ever hit the limit I couldn't 
>>>> tell.
>>>> 
>>>> .I don't know if MS still has a free version though.  Our Plat install 
>>>> is OLD.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/6/2021 11:54 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>>>>> I’m pretty sure even a few years ago when I migrated from Plat to Sonar, 
>>>>> that Plat had fixed that internally with an update.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But Chuck could verify that with them.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> And yes, you will need to host it yourself, unless there is a third 
>>>>> party, or they have a recommended hosting third party.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I forget if they had that service or not, but you could ask them about 
>>>>> that too.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Otherwise I think it does need at least a VM with windows and some form 
>>>>> of MS SQL license…
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:50 AM
>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems I've 
>>>>> seen even within the last few months, they are still storing credit cards 
>>>>> in plain text in the DB. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do I have to host Plat?
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Sterling Jacobson
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
>>>>> 
>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active customers.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
>>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>>>> Cc: Chuck McCown 
>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is 
>>>>> that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that 
>>>>> they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal 
>>>>> entry to move over the revenue.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  
>>>>> Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant 
>>>>> percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall 
>>>>> cost to the company.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need 
>>>>> any management of my network just simple recurring billing. 
>>>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only.It's less
expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles.

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for me years
> ago.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 6, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Jesse DuPont 
> wrote:
>
>  We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another -
> they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400 subs
> using the free MSSQL license. No issues.
> 
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Owner / Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>
>
> On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Our Plat install uses the Free MS SQL license.  It has some kind of limit
> on processor power or some such, but if Plat ever hit the limit I couldn't
> tell.
>
> .I don't know if MS still has a free version though.  Our Plat install
> is OLD.
>
>
>
> On 5/6/2021 11:54 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>
> I’m pretty sure even a few years ago when I migrated from Plat to Sonar,
> that Plat had fixed that internally with an update.
>
> But Chuck could verify that with them.
>
>
>
> And yes, you will need to host it yourself, unless there is a third party,
> or they have a recommended hosting third party.
>
> I forget if they had that service or not, but you could ask them about
> that too.
>
>
>
> Otherwise I think it does need at least a VM with windows and some form of
> MS SQL license…
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of * Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:50 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>
>
>
> I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems I've
> seen even within the last few months, they are still storing credit cards
> in plain text in the DB.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Do I have to host Plat?
>
>
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>
>
>
> I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active customers.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>
>
>
> We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is
> that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that
> they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
>
>
>
> So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal
> entry to move over the revenue.
>
>
>
> Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.
> Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant
> percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall
> cost to the company.
>
>
>
> Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need
> any management of my network just simple recurring billing.
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

Be careful about PCI compliance.

I’d rather go with someone who tokenizes the card and stores it for you.

We use Stripe.com for our processor with UISP.
Zero PCI liability on our side.  We never store the card.  For that matter, the 
actual numbers never even pass through our servers.  Directly to stripe and we 
get the token sent to us.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com<http://www.brazoswifi.com/>

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 4:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for me years ago.
Sent from my iPhone


On May 6, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Jesse DuPont  wrote:
 We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another - they're 
both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400 subs using the free 
MSSQL license. No issues.


Jesse DuPont

Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net<mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net>
Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

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On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Our Plat install uses the Free MS SQL license.  It has some kind of limit on 
processor power or some such, but if Plat ever hit the limit I couldn't tell.

.I don't know if MS still has a free version though.  Our Plat install is 
OLD.




On 5/6/2021 11:54 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
I’m pretty sure even a few years ago when I migrated from Plat to Sonar, that 
Plat had fixed that internally with an update.
But Chuck could verify that with them.

And yes, you will need to host it yourself, unless there is a third party, or 
they have a recommended hosting third party.
I forget if they had that service or not, but you could ask them about that too.

Otherwise I think it does need at least a VM with windows and some form of MS 
SQL license…

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems I've seen 
even within the last few months, they are still storing credit cards in plain 
text in the DB.

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Do I have to host Plat?

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active customers.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is that 
they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that they are 
happy for us to be a QB customer...

So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal entry 
to move over the revenue.

Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  Anything 
free out there that makes their money from the merchant percentage?  I guess I 
don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall cost to the company.

Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need any 
management of my network just simple recurring billing.

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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat.  Worked fine for me years ago.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Jesse DuPont  
> wrote:
> 
>  We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another - 
> they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400 subs using 
> the free MSSQL license. No issues.
> 
> Jesse DuPont
> Owner / Network Architect
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>> On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> Our Plat install uses the Free MS SQL license.  It has some kind of limit on 
>> processor power or some such, but if Plat ever hit the limit I couldn't tell.
>> 
>> .I don't know if MS still has a free version though.  Our Plat install 
>> is OLD.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/6/2021 11:54 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>>> I’m pretty sure even a few years ago when I migrated from Plat to Sonar, 
>>> that Plat had fixed that internally with an update.
>>> But Chuck could verify that with them.
>>>  
>>> And yes, you will need to host it yourself, unless there is a third party, 
>>> or they have a recommended hosting third party.
>>> I forget if they had that service or not, but you could ask them about that 
>>> too.
>>>  
>>> Otherwise I think it does need at least a VM with windows and some form of 
>>> MS SQL license…
>>>  
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:50 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>>>  
>>> I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems I've seen 
>>> even within the last few months, they are still storing credit cards in 
>>> plain text in the DB. 
>>>  
>>> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>> Do I have to host Plat?
>>>  
>>> From: Sterling Jacobson
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>>>  
>>> I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active customers.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Cc: Chuck McCown 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>>>  
>>> We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is 
>>> that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that 
>>> they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
>>>  
>>> So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal 
>>> entry to move over the revenue.
>>>  
>>> Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  
>>> Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant 
>>> percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall 
>>> cost to the company.
>>>  
>>> Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need any 
>>> management of my network just simple recurring billing. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[dave via AF]

If my mind is still as sharp as it is today when im 67 I will take my 
time in retirement after visiting the oceans and mountains in our nation 
and write a complete open source product for ease of use.



On 5/6/21 4:30 PM, dave via AF wrote:

Freeside was the goto when support was good and available
We still use it heavily and its completely free outside of outside 
support cost to help with new upgrades and modules.

I am pushing to find another open source that is widely supported.
It now has inventory accounting as well.


On 5/6/21 9:56 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell 
us is that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet 
service and that they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly 
journal entry to move over the revenue.
Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  
Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant 
percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest 
overall cost to the company.
Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t 
need any management of my network just simple recurring billing.







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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[dave via AF]

Freeside was the goto when support was good and available
We still use it heavily and its completely free outside of outside 
support cost to help with new upgrades and modules.

I am pushing to find another open source that is widely supported.
It now has inventory accounting as well.


On 5/6/21 9:56 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us 
is that they don’t approve of our “products”. AKA internet service and 
that they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly 
journal entry to move over the revenue.
Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  
Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant 
percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest 
overall cost to the company.
Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t 
need any management of my network just simple recurring billing.




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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another
- they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400
subs using the free MSSQL license. No issues.

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Owner
  / Network
  Architect
  email:
  jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
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  Networks LLC / Celerity
Broadband LLC
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On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


  
  Our Plat install uses the Free MS SQL license.  It has some
kind of limit on processor power or some such, but if Plat ever
hit the limit I couldn't tell.
  .I don't know if MS still has a free version though.  Our
Plat install is OLD.
  
  
  
  
  On 5/6/2021 11:54 AM, Sterling
Jacobson wrote:
  
  





  I’m pretty sure even a few years ago when
I migrated from Plat to Sonar, that Plat had fixed that
internally with an update.
  But Chuck could verify that with them.
   
  And yes, you will need to host it
yourself, unless there is a third party, or they have a
recommended hosting third party.
  I forget if they had that service or not,
but you could ask them about that too.
   
  Otherwise I think it does need at least a
VM with windows and some form of MS SQL license…
   
  
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of  Cameron Crum
  Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:50 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
  
   
  
I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI
  compliance. In the systems I've seen even within the last
  few months, they are still storing credit cards in plain
  text in the DB. 
  
   
  

  On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck
McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:


  

  

  Do I have
  to host Plat?


  

   


  
From:
Sterling Jacobson 
  
  
Sent:
Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
  
  
To:
AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  
  
Subject:
        Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
  

  
  
 
  


  
I think
Platypus is still free up to a certain
number of active customers.
 
 

  
From: AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56
AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Intuit &
Billing
  

 

  

  We
  have exhausted all of our appeals, the
  only thing they will tell us is that
  they don’t approve of our “products”. 
  AKA internet service and that they are
  ha

Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Mike Hammett]

I agree. The value of the time Chuck has spent trying to not go with a real 
billing system has paid for that first year's billing system (if not more). 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 2:02:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing 


You're working super hard to not work hard. Get a real billing system! 





Josh Luthman 
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 2:09 PM Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




Well we had a fork in the conversation just now: 
If you enter a CC in a customer account in Plat, then it's stored in your local 
MS SQL database; optionally with encryption if you configured the encryption. 

Anything modern is tokenizing and storing the token instead. 
I understand your statement that you don't care either way because you won't 
store CC numbers, but you might be crazy. Some customers will want autopay, and 
if they *want* you to whack their card every month then I think you should. But 
I know you're a big boy and you make your own choices. 



On 5/6/2021 1:51 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: 





But if you never enter a CC card into plat, and the actual payment transaction 
is done by IPPay, why would plat store a card number. I am not doing a 
recurring billing. They have to pay manually each month, at least for now. 




From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:38 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing 


I wouldn't count on it. Most of the systems do this now (tokenize with the 
processor and just store a token and last 4 to show the customer) to take away 
your liability, but every instance of Plat I've seen has credit cards in the 
DB. 


On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 12:23 PM Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




I'd assume they're storing a token and not the actual card number. 

On 5/6/2021 1:20 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 



IIRC, once you entered a CC into the enterprise version of QB, the CC number 
went under control of Intuit in their cloud. You could no longer access it, 
except to update it to a new card, and then it "disappeared" again. 
bp
 
On 5/6/2021 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: 





I wouldn’t want to store any credit cards. People can click on the link on the 
invoice and manually enter it each month. 




From: David Sovereen via AF 
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 10:56 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: David Sovereen 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing 

Platypus passes PCI compliance and stores credit card information in an 
encrypted form when configured to do so. If you have an old install where your 
credit card information was not encrypted by default, you can encrypt it by 
going to the Maintenance Menu and choosing Encryption Manager. 










David Sovereen 

Mercury Network Corporation 
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640 
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free | 989.837.3780 fax 

Telephone | Internet | Hosting 

david.sover...@mercury.net 
www.mercury.net 





On May 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Cameron Crum < cc...@murcevilo.com > wrote: 


I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems I've seen 
even within the last few months, they are still storing credit cards in plain 
text in the DB. 


On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: 






Do I have to host Plat? 




From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing 



I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active customers. 




From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF 
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com > 
Subject: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing 




We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is that 
they don’t approve of our “products”. AKA internet service and that they are 
happy for us to be a QB customer... 



So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal entry 
to move over the revenue. 



Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards. Anything 
free out there that makes their money from the merchant percentage? I guess I 
don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall cost to the company. 



Was platypus free? Used it for years at another company. I don’t need any 
management of my network just simple recurring billing. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I was. and specifically of QBE.


bp

On 5/6/2021 10:47 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  Bill was speaking of Quickbooks I thought.
  
  
  On 5/6/2021 1:38 PM, Cameron Crum
wrote:
  
  

I wouldn't count on it. Most of the systems do
  this now (tokenize with the processor and just store a token
  and last 4 to show the customer) to take away your liability,
  but every instance of Plat I've seen has credit cards in the
  DB. 


  On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 12:23
PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
  
  

  I'd assume they're storing a token and not the actual
card number.
  
  
  On 5/6/2021 1:20 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
  
  
IIRC, once you entered a CC into the enterprise
  version of QB, the CC number went under control of
  Intuit in their cloud. You could no longer access it,
  except to update it to a new card, and then it
  "disappeared" again.


bp

On 5/6/2021 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:


  

  I wouldn’t want to store any credit cards. 
People can click on the link on the invoice and
manually enter it each month.  
  

   
  
From: David Sovereen
via AF 
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021
  10:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group 
Cc: David Sovereen

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit
      & Billing
  

 
  
  Platypus
passes PCI compliance and stores credit card
information in an encrypted form when configured
to do so.  If you have an old install where your
credit card information was not encrypted by
default, you can encrypt it by going to the
Maintenance Menu and choosing Encryption
Manager.

   
  

  

  

  

  David
Sovereen
   
  Mercury
Network Corporation
  2719
Ashman Street, Midland,
MI 48640
989.837.3790
  x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free |
  989.837.3780
fax
   
  Telephone 
  |  Internet  |  Hosting
   
  david.sover...@mercury.net
  www.mercury.net

  

  

  


 
  

  On May 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Cameron
Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com>
wrote:
   
  
I'd be careful of Plat if
  you want PCI compliance. In the
  systems I've seen even within the last
  few mont

Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Josh Luthman]

You're working super hard to not work hard.  Get a real billing system!

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 2:09 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Well we had a fork in the conversation just now:
>
> If you enter a CC in a customer account in Plat, then it's stored in your
> local MS SQL database; optionally with encryption if you configured the
> encryption.
>
> Anything modern is tokenizing and storing the token instead.
>
> I understand your statement that you don't care either way because you
> won't store CC numbers, but you might be crazy.  Some customers will want
> autopay, and if they *want* you to whack their card every month then I
> think you should.  But I know you're a big boy and you make your own
> choices.
>
>
> On 5/6/2021 1:51 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> But if you never enter a CC card into plat, and the actual payment
> transaction is done by IPPay, why would plat store a card number.  I am not
> doing a recurring billing.  They have to pay manually each month, at least
> for now.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:38 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>
> I wouldn't count on it. Most of the systems do this now (tokenize with the
> processor and just store a token and last 4 to show the customer) to take
> away your liability, but every instance of Plat I've seen has credit cards
> in the DB.
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 12:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I'd assume they're storing a token and not the actual card number.
>>
>>
>> On 5/6/2021 1:20 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> IIRC, once you entered a CC into the enterprise version of QB, the CC
>> number went under control of Intuit in their cloud. You could no longer
>> access it, except to update it to a new card, and then it "disappeared"
>> again.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/6/2021 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> I wouldn’t want to store any credit cards.  People can click on the link
>> on the invoice and manually enter it each month.
>>
>> *From:* David Sovereen via AF
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 10:56 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* David Sovereen
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>>
>> Platypus passes PCI compliance and stores credit card information in an
>> encrypted form when configured to do so.  If you have an old install where
>> your credit card information was not encrypted by default, you can encrypt
>> it by going to the Maintenance Menu and choosing Encryption Manager.
>>
>> *David Sovereen*
>>
>> Mercury Network Corporation
>> 2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
>> 989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free | 989.837.3780 fax
>>
>> Telephone*  |  *Internet*  |  *Hosting
>>
>> david.sover...@mercury.net
>> www.mercury.net
>>
>>
>> On May 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>
>> I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems I've
>> seen even within the last few months, they are still storing credit cards
>> in plain text in the DB.
>>
>> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do I have to host Plat?
>>>
>>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>>>
>>>
>>> I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active
>>> customers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us
>>> is that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and
>>> that they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal
>>> entry to move over the revenue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.
>>> Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant
>>> percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is f

Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Adam Moffett]

Well we had a fork in the conversation just now:

If you enter a CC in a customer account in Plat, then it's stored in 
your local MS SQL database; optionally with encryption if you configured 
the encryption.


Anything modern is tokenizing and storing the token instead.

I understand your statement that you don't care either way because you 
won't store CC numbers, but you might be crazy.  Some customers will 
want autopay, and if they *want* you to whack their card every month 
then I think you should.  But I know you're a big boy and you make your 
own choices.



On 5/6/2021 1:51 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
But if you never enter a CC card into plat, and the actual payment 
transaction is done by IPPay, why would plat store a card number.  I 
am not doing a recurring billing. They have to pay manually each 
month, at least for now.

*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:38 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
I wouldn't count on it. Most of the systems do this now (tokenize with 
the processor and just store a token and last 4 to show the customer) 
to take away your liability, but every instance of Plat I've seen has 
credit cards in the DB.

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 12:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

I'd assume they're storing a token and not the actual card number.

On 5/6/2021 1:20 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


IIRC, once you entered a CC into the enterprise version of QB,
the CC number went under control of Intuit in their cloud. You
could no longer access it, except to update it to a new card, and
then it "disappeared" again.

bp

On 5/6/2021 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I wouldn’t want to store any credit cards.  People can click on
the link on the invoice and manually enter it each month.
*From:* David Sovereen via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 10:56 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* David Sovereen
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
Platypus passes PCI compliance and stores credit card
information in an encrypted form when configured to do so.  If
you have an old install where your credit card information was
not encrypted by default, you can encrypt it by going to the
Maintenance Menu and choosing Encryption Manager.
*David Sovereen*
**
Mercury Network Corporation
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free | 989.837.3780 fax
Telephone*| *Internet*  | *Hosting
david.sover...@mercury.net
www.mercury.net <http://www.mercury.net>



On May 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Cameron Crum 
wrote:
I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the
systems I've seen even within the last few months, they are
still storing credit cards in plain text in the DB.
On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

Do I have to host Plat?
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of
active customers.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck
McCown via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Cc:* Chuck McCown 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they
will tell us is that they don’t approve of our “products”.
AKA internet service and that they are happy for us to be a
QB customer...

So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a
monthly journal entry to move over the revenue.

Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay
with cards. Anything free out there that makes their money
from the merchant percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it
is free, just the lowest overall cost to the company.

Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company. 
I don’t need any management of my network just simple
recurring billing.


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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Cameron Crum]

A good question for them. I don't know the answer.

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 12:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> But if you never enter a CC card into plat, and the actual payment
> transaction is done by IPPay, why would plat store a card number.  I am not
> doing a recurring billing.  They have to pay manually each month, at least
> for now.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:38 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>
> I wouldn't count on it. Most of the systems do this now (tokenize with the
> processor and just store a token and last 4 to show the customer) to take
> away your liability, but every instance of Plat I've seen has credit cards
> in the DB.
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 12:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I'd assume they're storing a token and not the actual card number.
>>
>>
>> On 5/6/2021 1:20 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> IIRC, once you entered a CC into the enterprise version of QB, the CC
>> number went under control of Intuit in their cloud. You could no longer
>> access it, except to update it to a new card, and then it "disappeared"
>> again.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/6/2021 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> I wouldn’t want to store any credit cards.  People can click on the link
>> on the invoice and manually enter it each month.
>>
>> *From:* David Sovereen via AF
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 10:56 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* David Sovereen
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>>
>> Platypus passes PCI compliance and stores credit card information in an
>> encrypted form when configured to do so.  If you have an old install where
>> your credit card information was not encrypted by default, you can encrypt
>> it by going to the Maintenance Menu and choosing Encryption Manager.
>>
>> *David Sovereen*
>>
>> Mercury Network Corporation
>> 2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
>> 989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free | 989.837.3780 fax
>>
>> Telephone*  |  *Internet*  |  *Hosting
>>
>> david.sover...@mercury.net
>> www.mercury.net
>>
>>
>> On May 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>
>> I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems I've
>> seen even within the last few months, they are still storing credit cards
>> in plain text in the DB.
>>
>> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do I have to host Plat?
>>>
>>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>>>
>>>
>>> I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active
>>> customers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us
>>> is that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and
>>> that they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal
>>> entry to move over the revenue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.
>>> Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant
>>> percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall
>>> cost to the company.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need
>>> any management of my network just simple recurring billing.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Chuck McCown via AF]

But if you never enter a CC card into plat, and the actual payment transaction 
is done by IPPay, why would plat store a card number.  I am not doing a 
recurring billing.  They have to pay manually each month, at least for now.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

I wouldn't count on it. Most of the systems do this now (tokenize with the 
processor and just store a token and last 4 to show the customer) to take away 
your liability, but every instance of Plat I've seen has credit cards in the 
DB. 

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 12:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  I'd assume they're storing a token and not the actual card number.



  On 5/6/2021 1:20 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

IIRC, once you entered a CC into the enterprise version of QB, the CC 
number went under control of Intuit in their cloud. You could no longer access 
it, except to update it to a new card, and then it "disappeared" again.



bp
On 5/6/2021 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  I wouldn’t want to store any credit cards.  People can click on the link 
on the invoice and manually enter it each month.  

  From: David Sovereen via AF 
  Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 10:56 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: David Sovereen 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

  Platypus passes PCI compliance and stores credit card information in an 
encrypted form when configured to do so.  If you have an old install where your 
credit card information was not encrypted by default, you can encrypt it by 
going to the Maintenance Menu and choosing Encryption Manager. 

  David Sovereen

  Mercury Network Corporation
  2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
  989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free | 989.837.3780 fax

  Telephone  |  Internet  |  Hosting

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On May 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems I've 
seen even within the last few months, they are still storing credit cards in 
plain text in the DB. 

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:

  Do I have to host Plat?

  From: Sterling Jacobson 
  Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

  I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active 
customers.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
  Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing



  We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell 
us is that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that 
they are happy for us to be a QB customer...



  So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly 
journal entry to move over the revenue.



  Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  
Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant percentage?  I 
guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall cost to the company.



  Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t 
need any management of my network just simple recurring billing.  



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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Adam Moffett]

Bill was speaking of Quickbooks I thought.


On 5/6/2021 1:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I wouldn't count on it. Most of the systems do this now (tokenize with 
the processor and just store a token and last 4 to show the customer) 
to take away your liability, but every instance of Plat I've seen has 
credit cards in the DB.


On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 12:23 PM Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I'd assume they're storing a token and not the actual card number.


On 5/6/2021 1:20 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


IIRC, once you entered a CC into the enterprise version of QB,
the CC number went under control of Intuit in their cloud. You
could no longer access it, except to update it to a new card, and
then it "disappeared" again.


bp

On 5/6/2021 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I wouldn’t want to store any credit cards. People can click on
the link on the invoice and manually enter it each month.
*From:* David Sovereen via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 10:56 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* David Sovereen
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
Platypus passes PCI compliance and stores credit card
information in an encrypted form when configured to do so.  If
you have an old install where your credit card information was
not encrypted by default, you can encrypt it by going to the
Maintenance Menu and choosing Encryption Manager.
*David Sovereen*
**
Mercury Network Corporation
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free | 989.837.3780 fax
Telephone*| *Internet*  | *Hosting
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On May 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Cameron Crum 
wrote:
I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the
systems I've seen even within the last few months, they are
still storing credit cards in plain text in the DB.
On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

Do I have to host Plat?
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of
active customers.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck
McCown via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Cc:* Chuck McCown 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they
will tell us is that they don’t approve of our “products”. 
AKA internet service and that they are happy for us to be a
QB customer...

So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a
monthly journal entry to move over the revenue.

Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay
with cards.  Anything free out there that makes their money
from the merchant percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it
is free, just the lowest overall cost to the company.

Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company. 
I don’t need any management of my network just simple
recurring billing.


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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Cameron Crum]

I wouldn't count on it. Most of the systems do this now (tokenize with the
processor and just store a token and last 4 to show the customer) to take
away your liability, but every instance of Plat I've seen has credit cards
in the DB.

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 12:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'd assume they're storing a token and not the actual card number.
>
>
> On 5/6/2021 1:20 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> IIRC, once you entered a CC into the enterprise version of QB, the CC
> number went under control of Intuit in their cloud. You could no longer
> access it, except to update it to a new card, and then it "disappeared"
> again.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 5/6/2021 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> I wouldn’t want to store any credit cards.  People can click on the link
> on the invoice and manually enter it each month.
>
> *From:* David Sovereen via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 10:56 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* David Sovereen
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>
> Platypus passes PCI compliance and stores credit card information in an
> encrypted form when configured to do so.  If you have an old install where
> your credit card information was not encrypted by default, you can encrypt
> it by going to the Maintenance Menu and choosing Encryption Manager.
>
> *David Sovereen*
>
> Mercury Network Corporation
> 2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
> 989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free | 989.837.3780 fax
>
> Telephone*  |  *Internet*  |  *Hosting
>
> david.sover...@mercury.net
> www.mercury.net
>
>
> On May 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
> I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems I've
> seen even within the last few months, they are still storing credit cards
> in plain text in the DB.
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Do I have to host Plat?
>>
>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>>
>>
>> I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active customers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>>
>>
>>
>> We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is
>> that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that
>> they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
>>
>>
>>
>> So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal
>> entry to move over the revenue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.
>> Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant
>> percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall
>> cost to the company.
>>
>>
>>
>> Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need
>> any management of my network just simple recurring billing.
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Adam Moffett]

I'd assume they're storing a token and not the actual card number.


On 5/6/2021 1:20 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


IIRC, once you entered a CC into the enterprise version of QB, the CC 
number went under control of Intuit in their cloud. You could no 
longer access it, except to update it to a new card, and then it 
"disappeared" again.



bp

On 5/6/2021 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I wouldn’t want to store any credit cards.  People can click on the 
link on the invoice and manually enter it each month.

*From:* David Sovereen via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 10:56 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* David Sovereen
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
Platypus passes PCI compliance and stores credit card information in 
an encrypted form when configured to do so.  If you have an old 
install where your credit card information was not encrypted by 
default, you can encrypt it by going to the Maintenance Menu and 
choosing Encryption Manager.

*David Sovereen*
**
Mercury Network Corporation
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free | 989.837.3780 fax
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On May 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems 
I've seen even within the last few months, they are still storing 
credit cards in plain text in the DB.
On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:


Do I have to host Plat?
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active
customers.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Cc:* Chuck McCown 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will
tell us is that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA
internet service and that they are happy for us to be a QB
customer...

So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly
journal entry to move over the revenue.

Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with
cards.  Anything free out there that makes their money from the
merchant percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just
the lowest overall cost to the company.

Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I
don’t need any management of my network just simple recurring
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Bill Prince]

  
  
IIRC, once you entered a CC into the enterprise version of QB,
  the CC number went under control of Intuit in their cloud. You
  could no longer access it, except to update it to a new card, and
  then it "disappeared" again.


bp

On 5/6/2021 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  I wouldn’t want to store any credit cards.  People can
click on the link on the invoice and manually enter it each
month.  
  

   
  
From: David
Sovereen via AF 
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 10:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Cc: David Sovereen 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
  

 
  
  Platypus
passes PCI compliance and stores credit card information in
an encrypted form when configured to do so.  If you have an
old install where your credit card information was not
encrypted by default, you can encrypt it by going to the
Maintenance Menu and choosing Encryption Manager.

   
  

  

  

  

  David Sovereen
   
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Network Corporation
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Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790
  x151 office |
  888.866.4638 toll free |
  989.837.3780 fax
   
  Telephone  |  Internet 
|  Hosting
   
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  www.mercury.net

  

  

  


 
  

  On May 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com>
wrote:
   
  
I'd be careful of Plat if you want
  PCI compliance. In the systems I've seen even
  within the last few months, they are still storing
  credit cards in plain text in the DB. 
 

  On Thu, May 6,
2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
wrote:
  
  

  

  Do I have to host Plat?
  

   
  
From: Sterling
Jacobson 
Sent: Thursday, May 6,
  2021 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group 
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
          Intuit & Billing
  

 
  
  

  I think Platypus
is still free up to a certain number
of active customers.
   
   
  

  From:
AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Chuck
McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, May 6,
2021 8:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Intuit
   

Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I wouldn’t want to store any credit cards.  People can click on the link on the 
invoice and manually enter it each month.  

From: David Sovereen via AF 
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 10:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: David Sovereen 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

Platypus passes PCI compliance and stores credit card information in an 
encrypted form when configured to do so.  If you have an old install where your 
credit card information was not encrypted by default, you can encrypt it by 
going to the Maintenance Menu and choosing Encryption Manager. 

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  On May 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

  I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems I've seen 
even within the last few months, they are still storing credit cards in plain 
text in the DB. 

  On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Do I have to host Plat?

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active customers.





From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing



We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is 
that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that they 
are happy for us to be a QB customer...



So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal 
entry to move over the revenue.



Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  
Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant percentage?  I 
guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall cost to the company.



Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need any 
management of my network just simple recurring billing.  




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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Bill Prince]

  
  
When it came up for us, there was something about the term "ISP"
  that was a dirty word within Intuit. My impression at the time was
  that what they thought of as an internet service provider was
  different from what we thought of it as.
We caught it early enough to change our classification as
  "communications provider" or something, but it was so long ago, I
  really can't recall.


bp

On 5/6/2021 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  I'm curious how Intuit came to that conclusion, but maybe
you'll never know.
  
  On 5/6/2021 10:56 AM, Chuck McCown
via AF wrote:
  
  


  
We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing
  they will tell us is that they don’t approve of our
  “products”.  AKA internet service and that they are happy
  for us to be a QB customer...
 
So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do
  a monthly journal entry to move over the revenue.
 
Something cheap with the ability for the customer to
  pay with cards.  Anything free out there that makes their
  money from the merchant percentage?  I guess I don’t care
  if it is free, just the lowest overall cost to the
  company.
 
Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another
  company.  I don’t need any management of my network just
  simple recurring billing.  
  



  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Adam Moffett]

I'm curious how Intuit came to that conclusion, but maybe you'll never know.

On 5/6/2021 10:56 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us 
is that they don’t approve of our “products”. AKA internet service and 
that they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly 
journal entry to move over the revenue.
Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  
Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant 
percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest 
overall cost to the company.
Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t 
need any management of my network just simple recurring billing.


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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[David Sovereen via AF]

Platypus passes PCI compliance and stores credit card information in an 
encrypted form when configured to do so.  If you have an old install where your 
credit card information was not encrypted by default, you can encrypt it by 
going to the Maintenance Menu and choosing Encryption Manager.
 
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Mercury Network Corporation
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free | 989.837.3780 fax
 
Telephone  |  Internet  |  Hosting
 
david.sover...@mercury.net <mailto:david.sover...@mercury.net>
www.mercury.net <http://www.mercury.net/>


> On May 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> 
> I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems I've seen 
> even within the last few months, they are still storing credit cards in plain 
> text in the DB. 
> 
> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
> Do I have to host Plat?
>  
> From: Sterling Jacobson <>
> Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>  
> I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active customers.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
> 
>  
> 
> We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is 
> that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that 
> they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
> 
>  
> 
> So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal 
> entry to move over the revenue.
> 
>  
> 
> Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  
> Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant percentage?  
> I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall cost to the 
> company.
> 
>  
> 
> Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need any 
> management of my network just simple recurring billing. 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Adam Moffett]

Our Plat install uses the Free MS SQL license.  It has some kind of 
limit on processor power or some such, but if Plat ever hit the limit I 
couldn't tell.


.I don't know if MS still has a free version though.  Our Plat 
install is OLD.




On 5/6/2021 11:54 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


I’m pretty sure even a few years ago when I migrated from Plat to 
Sonar, that Plat had fixed that internally with an update.


But Chuck could verify that with them.

And yes, you will need to host it yourself, unless there is a third 
party, or they have a recommended hosting third party.


I forget if they had that service or not, but you could ask them about 
that too.


Otherwise I think it does need at least a VM with windows and some 
form of MS SQL license…


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:50 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems I've 
seen even within the last few months, they are still storing credit 
cards in plain text in the DB.


On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


Do I have to host Plat?

*From:*Sterling Jacobson

*Sent:*Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active
customers.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Cc:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will
tell us is that they don’t approve of our “products”. AKA internet
service and that they are happy for us to be a QB customer...

So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly
journal entry to move over the revenue.

Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with
cards.  Anything free out there that makes their money from the
merchant percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the
lowest overall cost to the company.

Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Sterling Jacobson]

I’m pretty sure even a few years ago when I migrated from Plat to Sonar, that 
Plat had fixed that internally with an update.
But Chuck could verify that with them.

And yes, you will need to host it yourself, unless there is a third party, or 
they have a recommended hosting third party.
I forget if they had that service or not, but you could ask them about that too.

Otherwise I think it does need at least a VM with windows and some form of MS 
SQL license…

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems I've seen 
even within the last few months, they are still storing credit cards in plain 
text in the DB.

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Do I have to host Plat?

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active customers.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is that 
they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that they are 
happy for us to be a QB customer...

So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal entry 
to move over the revenue.

Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  Anything 
free out there that makes their money from the merchant percentage?  I guess I 
don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall cost to the company.

Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need any 
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Cameron Crum]

I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems I've seen
even within the last few months, they are still storing credit cards in
plain text in the DB.

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Do I have to host Plat?
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>
>
> I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active customers.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>
>
>
> We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is
> that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that
> they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
>
>
>
> So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal
> entry to move over the revenue.
>
>
>
> Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.
> Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant
> percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall
> cost to the company.
>
>
>
> Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need
> any management of my network just simple recurring billing.
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Do I have to host Plat?

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active customers.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

 

We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is that 
they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that they are 
happy for us to be a QB customer...

 

So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal entry 
to move over the revenue.

 

Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  Anything 
free out there that makes their money from the merchant percentage?  I guess I 
don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall cost to the company.

 

Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need any 
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Larry Smith]

Yes,  he took a "vacation" but is back working now.

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On Thu May 6 2021 10:16, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> Is Freeside the company Ivan supports?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Smith
> Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:15 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
>
> On Thu May 6 2021 09:56, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> > We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is
> > that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that
> > they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
> >
> > So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal
> > entry to move over the revenue.
> >
> > Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.
> > Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant
> > percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall
> > cost to the company.
> >
> > Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need
> > any
> > management of my network just simple recurring billing.
>
> We are still using Freeside (that we picked up based on conversations with
> them at a Wispa show in Vegas).  Free unless you need a support contract
> (which we do have).
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Is Freeside the company Ivan supports?

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Smith

Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

On Thu May 6 2021 09:56, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is
that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that
they are happy for us to be a QB customer...

So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal
entry to move over the revenue.

Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.
Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant
percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall
cost to the company.

Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need 
any

management of my network just simple recurring billing.


We are still using Freeside (that we picked up based on conversations with
them at a Wispa show in Vegas).  Free unless you need a support contract
(which we do have).

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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Larry Smith]

On Thu May 6 2021 09:56, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is
> that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that
> they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
>
> So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal
> entry to move over the revenue.
>
> Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards. 
> Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant
> percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall
> cost to the company.
>
> Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need any
> management of my network just simple recurring billing.

We are still using Freeside (that we picked up based on conversations with
them at a Wispa show in Vegas).  Free unless you need a support contract
(which we do have).

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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Says free up to 100 customers.  Works with IP Pay.  Both of which I have used 
in the past.  

UBNT stuff looks pretty but I don’t need any of the main things it does.  
And I don’t use any UBNT gear in the field.  

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active customers.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

 

We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is that 
they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that they are 
happy for us to be a QB customer...

 

So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal entry 
to move over the revenue.

 

Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  Anything 
free out there that makes their money from the merchant percentage?  I guess I 
don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall cost to the company.

 

Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need any 
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Sterling Jacobson]

I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active customers.


From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is that 
they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that they are 
happy for us to be a QB customer...

So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal entry 
to move over the revenue.

Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  Anything 
free out there that makes their money from the merchant percentage?  I guess I 
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Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need any 
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

Self hosted UISP checks your boxes.
It even has a QB online plugin that copies over revenue and invoices.

Its decent for free.



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 Original message 
From: Chuck McCown via AF 
Date: 5/6/21 9:57 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is that 
they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet service and that they are 
happy for us to be a QB customer...

So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal entry 
to move over the revenue.

Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  Anything 
free out there that makes their money from the merchant percentage?  I guess I 
don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall cost to the company.

Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t need any 
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